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2012-03-22 09:59:23 PM

Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ChemicalRummy: But I don't care at this point, I'm not voting for Obama again just because he's not Santorum. They'd have the same foreign policy, and to me, that sounds like a one party system. I'd rather vote third party and get four years of Santorum criminalizing birth control and creating some sort of vaginal enforcement agency, than hold my nose and vote for false advertising, compromise, and wall street.

And in the end, this is why Greenwald is hated / apostate / whatever to Democrats and the left. Tone-deaf politics, black and white morality, with us or against us stubbornness, and a not-so-subtle fark you I've got mine mentality. Throw in a heaping dose of smug moral self-superiority and you've got yourself, well, a tribe just like most all the other tribes, really.

Yes, because we should accept relativistic arguments in areas such as war and civil liberties. The response of "Well, you're a tribe too!" is hilarious. How about you Democrats stop pretending Obama is working for someone else besides the MIC and finance capital before you try to go "You're so black and white!" to the rest of us?

And here it is.


Don't fret. Just like Santorum-voting ass-weasels, left-wing twats are few and far between and their set of demands and talking points usually look like this:

apublicdefender.com

The Reasonable will win again this year, by a wide margin.
 
2012-03-22 10:00:21 PM

ChemicalRummy: heap: i forget - why am i supposed to hate greenwald again?

The right despise him because he supports Bradley Manning and Thomas Drake, the heroic exposers of the secretive Soviet police state our government has become. The left dismisses him because he's an actual liberal that criticizes Obama for having a foreign policy that's further right than Bush's. And if you're a Democrat or left leaning, criticism of the president is heresy. He's black, charismatic, has a catchy campaign slogan, hip marketing, and a D after his name. And those are the only requirements for fanatical devotion.


Actually that's why people can't take Greenwald seriously (same goes for many of his fans). Criticizing Obama is one thing, but if the premise of your argument is "He's exactly like Bush, only worse!" you're more or less asking to be ridiculed.
 
2012-03-22 10:02:09 PM

thamike: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ChemicalRummy: But I don't care at this point, I'm not voting for Obama again just because he's not Santorum. They'd have the same foreign policy, and to me, that sounds like a one party system. I'd rather vote third party and get four years of Santorum criminalizing birth control and creating some sort of vaginal enforcement agency, than hold my nose and vote for false advertising, compromise, and wall street.

And in the end, this is why Greenwald is hated / apostate / whatever to Democrats and the left. Tone-deaf politics, black and white morality, with us or against us stubbornness, and a not-so-subtle fark you I've got mine mentality. Throw in a heaping dose of smug moral self-superiority and you've got yourself, well, a tribe just like most all the other tribes, really.

Yes, because we should accept relativistic arguments in areas such as war and civil liberties. The response of "Well, you're a tribe too!" is hilarious. How about you Democrats stop pretending Obama is working for someone else besides the MIC and finance capital before you try to go "You're so black and white!" to the rest of us?

And here it is.

Don't fret. Just like Santorum-voting ass-weasels, left-wing twats are few and far between and their set of demands and talking points usually look like this:

[apublicdefender.com image 400x282]

The Reasonable will win again this year, by a wide margin.


Unfortunately, the Independents are not reasonable either. They do like the Shamrock Shake, though.
 
2012-03-22 10:03:05 PM

Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ChemicalRummy: But I don't care at this point, I'm not voting for Obama again just because he's not Santorum. They'd have the same foreign policy, and to me, that sounds like a one party system. I'd rather vote third party and get four years of Santorum criminalizing birth control and creating some sort of vaginal enforcement agency, than hold my nose and vote for false advertising, compromise, and wall street.

And in the end, this is why Greenwald is hated / apostate / whatever to Democrats and the left. Tone-deaf politics, black and white morality, with us or against us stubbornness, and a not-so-subtle fark you I've got mine mentality. Throw in a heaping dose of smug moral self-superiority and you've got yourself, well, a tribe just like most all the other tribes, really.

Yes, because we should accept relativistic arguments in areas such as war and civil liberties. The response of "Well, you're a tribe too!" is hilarious. How about you Democrats stop pretending Obama is working for someone else besides the MIC and finance capital before you try to go "You're so black and white!" to the rest of us?

And here it is.

Got an actual response?

Yes, I reiterate, you will sit out in 2012 to punish the Democrats for not being pure enough even if it means we get a repeat of 2010. You may be just fine out there in Seattle but when liberals stay home in my state we get Scott Walker. I am sick of the purist left. I am very left but the impracticality of the idealistic sickens me because Walker, Scott, Snyder, Kasich, et all never had to happen.


Voting is an incredibly minor part of the democratic process. If you're forceful enough it doesn't matter who's in office. You have to force those pigs to fear you.

Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?
 
2012-03-22 10:03:31 PM

Biological Ali: Actually that's why people can't take Greenwald seriously (same goes for many of his fans). Criticizing Obama is one thing, but if the premise of your argument is "He's exactly like Bush, only worse!" you're more or less asking to be ridiculed.


You're trying to reason with someone who wrote: the secretive Soviet police state our government has become.
 
2012-03-22 10:03:52 PM

Biological Ali: ChemicalRummy: heap: i forget - why am i supposed to hate greenwald again?

The right despise him because he supports Bradley Manning and Thomas Drake, the heroic exposers of the secretive Soviet police state our government has become. The left dismisses him because he's an actual liberal that criticizes Obama for having a foreign policy that's further right than Bush's. And if you're a Democrat or left leaning, criticism of the president is heresy. He's black, charismatic, has a catchy campaign slogan, hip marketing, and a D after his name. And those are the only requirements for fanatical devotion.

Actually that's why people can't take Greenwald seriously (same goes for many of his fans). Criticizing Obama is one thing, but if the premise of your argument is "He's exactly like Bush, only worse!" you're more or less asking to be ridiculed.


Exactly. Is targeted drone strikes and limited engagement further right than full-scale invasion and occupation? I suppose the argument could be made historically but would fail because of recent history.
 
2012-03-22 10:05:18 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?


Because the punishment rolls downhill. Nobody is served by teabaggers being in office. It hurts everybody.
 
2012-03-22 10:06:24 PM

Sabyen91: Unfortunately, the Independents are not reasonable either. They do like the Shamrock Shake, though.


I said the Reasonable. They are the ones who put Obama in office and who will do so again. You can use Most of Us if you don't like using Reasonable. "Independent" got hijacked a long time ago.
 
2012-03-22 10:06:44 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: You have to force those pigs to fear you.


Well, when the pigs fear you, do let us know. Until then, nach Nixon Reagan Bush Romney, uns!
 
2012-03-22 10:07:14 PM

Party Boy: heap: Party Boy: heap: i forget - why am i supposed to hate greenwald again?

Something about gay and librul . Also Soros.

i think i'm gonna go ahead and go with union thugs, because really...they don't get enough love.

You mean unionized pipe fitting leather bears?


i43.tinypic.com
.......go on.
 
2012-03-22 10:08:23 PM

thamike: Sabyen91: Unfortunately, the Independents are not reasonable either. They do like the Shamrock Shake, though.

I said the Reasonable. They are the ones who put Obama in office and who will do so again. You can use Most of Us if you don't like using Reasonable. "Independent" got hijacked a long time ago.


You might be right this time (because the Republicans suck so much). The "Reasonable" elected Bush in 2004, too. I don't trust them too much.
 
2012-03-22 10:08:37 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Voting is an incredibly minor part of the democratic process. If you're forceful enough it doesn't matter who's in office. You have to force those pigs to fear you


www.belch.com
 
2012-03-22 10:08:47 PM

thamike: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ChemicalRummy: But I don't care at this point, I'm not voting for Obama again just because he's not Santorum. They'd have the same foreign policy, and to me, that sounds like a one party system. I'd rather vote third party and get four years of Santorum criminalizing birth control and creating some sort of vaginal enforcement agency, than hold my nose and vote for false advertising, compromise, and wall street.

And in the end, this is why Greenwald is hated / apostate / whatever to Democrats and the left. Tone-deaf politics, black and white morality, with us or against us stubbornness, and a not-so-subtle fark you I've got mine mentality. Throw in a heaping dose of smug moral self-superiority and you've got yourself, well, a tribe just like most all the other tribes, really.

Yes, because we should accept relativistic arguments in areas such as war and civil liberties. The response of "Well, you're a tribe too!" is hilarious. How about you Democrats stop pretending Obama is working for someone else besides the MIC and finance capital before you try to go "You're so black and white!" to the rest of us?

And here it is.

Don't fret. Just like Santorum-voting ass-weasels, left-wing twats are few and far between and their set of demands and talking points usually look like this:

[apublicdefender.com image 400x282]

The Reasonable will win again this year, by a wide margin.


LOL, I love that you try to wriggle your way into a comfortable argument and then declare yourself reasonable. It doesn't matter that the criticisms are accurate; as long as you feel you're taking the middle path, you won't give a shiat.
 
2012-03-22 10:09:15 PM

heap: Party Boy: heap: Party Boy: heap: i forget - why am i supposed to hate greenwald again?

Something about gay and librul . Also Soros.

i think i'm gonna go ahead and go with union thugs, because really...they don't get enough love.

You mean unionized pipe fitting leather bears?

[i43.tinypic.com image 122x104]
.......go on.


I funnied. The gif is great.
 
2012-03-22 10:10:21 PM

Party Boy: heap: Party Boy: heap: i forget - why am i supposed to hate greenwald again?

Something about gay and librul . Also Soros.

i think i'm gonna go ahead and go with union thugs, because really...they don't get enough love.

You mean unionized pipe fitting leather bears?


Like this?

www.mrctleather.net

Rule 43, suckers!
 
2012-03-22 10:10:32 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: You have to force those pigs to fear you.

Well, when the pigs fear you, do let us know. Until then, nach Nixon Reagan Bush Romney, uns!


I never claimed I was feared. We're a good ways away from anyone in power fearing any of us.
 
2012-03-22 10:11:16 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: thamike: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ChemicalRummy: But I don't care at this point, I'm not voting for Obama again just because he's not Santorum. They'd have the same foreign policy, and to me, that sounds like a one party system. I'd rather vote third party and get four years of Santorum criminalizing birth control and creating some sort of vaginal enforcement agency, than hold my nose and vote for false advertising, compromise, and wall street.

And in the end, this is why Greenwald is hated / apostate / whatever to Democrats and the left. Tone-deaf politics, black and white morality, with us or against us stubbornness, and a not-so-subtle fark you I've got mine mentality. Throw in a heaping dose of smug moral self-superiority and you've got yourself, well, a tribe just like most all the other tribes, really.

Yes, because we should accept relativistic arguments in areas such as war and civil liberties. The response of "Well, you're a tribe too!" is hilarious. How about you Democrats stop pretending Obama is working for someone else besides the MIC and finance capital before you try to go "You're so black and white!" to the rest of us?

And here it is.

Don't fret. Just like Santorum-voting ass-weasels, left-wing twats are few and far between and their set of demands and talking points usually look like this:

[apublicdefender.com image 400x282]

The Reasonable will win again this year, by a wide margin.

LOL, I love that you try to wriggle your way into a comfortable argument and then declare yourself reasonable. It doesn't matter that the criticisms are accurate; as long as you feel you're taking the middle path, you won't give a shiat.


Just so you are clear, he isn't the one you were talking to. That is me. Don't conflate our comments.

/Just making sure you didn't think you were continuing the same conversation with me.
 
2012-03-22 10:11:33 PM

Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?

Because the punishment rolls downhill. Nobody is served by teabaggers being in office. It hurts everybody.


I agree. Still, it's not an excuse.
 
2012-03-22 10:11:50 PM

Biological Ali: ChemicalRummy: heap: i forget - why am i supposed to hate greenwald again?

The right despise him because he supports Bradley Manning and Thomas Drake, the heroic exposers of the secretive Soviet police state our government has become. The left dismisses him because he's an actual liberal that criticizes Obama for having a foreign policy that's further right than Bush's. And if you're a Democrat or left leaning, criticism of the president is heresy. He's black, charismatic, has a catchy campaign slogan, hip marketing, and a D after his name. And those are the only requirements for fanatical devotion.

Actually that's why people can't take Greenwald seriously (same goes for many of his fans). Criticizing Obama is one thing, but if the premise of your argument is "He's exactly like Bush, only worse!" you're more or less asking to be ridiculed.


Ridiculed, huh? When did Bush kill a U.S. citizen with no due process? I'd call that "exactly like Bush, only worse." Anwar al Awlaki, a suspected terrorist and U.S. citizen, should have been arrested and tried for treason. Due process and all that. But he was killed in a drone strike that constitutional law professor Obama ok'd. Man, if Bush had done that, the capital would be full of outrageous howls and the stink of patchouli and greasy dreadlocks. But Obama did it, and he's our guy, so....yawn.
 
2012-03-22 10:11:57 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?


Oh, and their 'farking job' right now is trying to advance women's rights, advance gay rights, improve health care, improve the economy, and avoid another 9/11 all the while the Republicans are throwing the biggest tantrum this nation has seen in one hundred and fifty years. At least that's how I see it, but I tend to see things a little differently.
 
2012-03-22 10:12:25 PM

Sabyen91: The "Reasonable" elected Bush in 2004, too.


No they didn't. The liberals didn't turn out because Kerry was not lefty lib lib charming enough. He was a right of center Herman Munster with the charm and poise of an ill-timed stye. Bush won because the people making all the noise didn't turn out to vote. Don't make me rape your mind.
 
2012-03-22 10:12:57 PM

Sabyen91: thamike: Sabyen91: Unfortunately, the Independents are not reasonable either. They do like the Shamrock Shake, though.

I said the Reasonable. They are the ones who put Obama in office and who will do so again. You can use Most of Us if you don't like using Reasonable. "Independent" got hijacked a long time ago.

You might be right this time (because the Republicans suck so much). The "Reasonable" elected Bush in 2004, too. I don't trust them too much.


I wonder just how many Republicans will vote for Obama just to spite their own party. There are reasonable people who think their party needs an enema, and not the fun kind Santorum is afraid of.
 
2012-03-22 10:13:27 PM

ChemicalRummy: Anwar al Awlaki


[not_this_shiat_again.jpg]
 
2012-03-22 10:13:35 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?

Because the punishment rolls downhill. Nobody is served by teabaggers being in office. It hurts everybody.

I agree. Still, it's not an excuse.


It isn't? I think it is a damn good excuse to get out and vote.
 
2012-03-22 10:14:40 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: LOL, I love that you try to wriggle your way into a comfortable argument and then declare yourself reasonable. It doesn't matter that the criticisms are accurate; as long as you feel you're taking the middle path, you won't give a shiat.


Were you really laughing out loud and do you actually love whatever the hell it is you're talking about?
 
2012-03-22 10:15:59 PM

ChemicalRummy: But I don't care at this point, I'm not voting for Obama again just because he's not Santorum. They'd have the same foreign policy, and to me, that sounds like a one party system. I'd rather vote third party and get four years of Santorum criminalizing birth control and creating some sort of vaginal enforcement agency, than hold my nose and vote for false advertising, compromise, and wall street.


If you honestly think that Santorum would have the same foreign policy as Obama then you're the same type of braindead US farkwit that handed that idiot Bush two terms in office.
 
2012-03-22 10:16:21 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?

Oh, and their 'farking job' right now is trying to advance women's rights, advance gay rights, improve health care, improve the economy, and avoid another 9/11 all the while the Republicans are throwing the biggest tantrum this nation has seen in one hundred and fifty years. At least that's how I see it, but I tend to see things a little differently.


Yes, and only the Democrats can do those things. We have to accept Clintonite Democrats because they're the only political organization which is concerned about saving those things. Don't bring up the fact Clinton was just as much of a deregulating maniac as Bush, because if you bring it up Those Scary Republicans might get into power.
 
2012-03-22 10:16:23 PM

thamike: Sabyen91: The "Reasonable" elected Bush in 2004, too.

No they didn't. The liberals didn't turn out because Kerry was not lefty lib lib charming enough. He was a right of center Herman Munster with the charm and poise of an ill-timed stye. Bush won because the people making all the noise didn't turn out to vote. Don't make me rape your mind.


I am skeptical of the "reasonable" people. The country has become way to retarded for me to believe it.
 
2012-03-22 10:16:33 PM

ChemicalRummy: Ridiculed, huh? When did Bush kill a U.S. citizen with no due process? I'd call that "exactly like Bush, only worse." Anwar al Awlaki, a suspected terrorist and U.S. citizen, should have been arrested and tried for treason. Due process and all that. But he was killed in a drone strike that constitutional law professor Obama ok'd. Man, if Bush had done that, the capital would be full of outrageous howls and the stink of patchouli and greasy dreadlocks. But Obama did it, and he's our guy, so....yawn.


My balls are on your eyes. I'm dipping my balls on your eyes right now.
 
2012-03-22 10:16:51 PM

thamike: Sabyen91: The "Reasonable" elected Bush in 2004, too.

No they didn't. The liberals didn't turn out because Kerry was not lefty lib lib charming enough. He was a right of center Herman Munster with the charm and poise of an ill-timed stye. Bush won because the people making all the noise didn't turn out to vote. Don't make me rape your mind.


Do you think the same thing might happen this time, i.e., opposing party puts up a generic, wealthy piece of plastic with a history of flip-flopping on key issues, and so no one shows up to vote for him and the incumbent wins?

Show many any REAL difference in between Kerry's 2004 platform and Rmoney's 2012 platform.

Oh, wait, they haven't shook up the Etch-a-Sketch and drawn that, yet.
 
2012-03-22 10:16:59 PM

Sabyen91: thamike: Sabyen91: The "Reasonable" elected Bush in 2004, too.

No they didn't. The liberals didn't turn out because Kerry was not lefty lib lib charming enough. He was a right of center Herman Munster with the charm and poise of an ill-timed stye. Bush won because the people making all the noise didn't turn out to vote. Don't make me rape your mind.

I am skeptical of the "reasonable" people. The country has become way to retarded for me to believe it.


too
 
2012-03-22 10:17:33 PM

Sabyen91: I am skeptical of the "reasonable" people. The country has become way to retarded for me to believe it.


You're one. I'm one. We are most of the country, I'm happy to say.
 
2012-03-22 10:17:53 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: You have to force those pigs to fear you.

Well, when the pigs fear you, do let us know. Until then, nach Nixon Reagan Bush Romney, uns!

I never claimed I was feared. We're a good ways away from anyone in power fearing any of us.


take this one a different direction - you've listed who you won't vote for and why.

who will you vote for, and why?

8 months is a political eternity, but that doesn't mean a white knight is riding into the picture to give you something to pull out of that aforementioned bucket that isn't a turd. we're all just trying to find the shiniest one - what's your idea of a shiny turd?

and, no, i don't mean something nebulous like 'a third party' - third party primaries are happening now, and have actual candidates - those are the people i mean. which of these looks like a good candidate to you?
 
2012-03-22 10:18:54 PM

ox45tallboy: it was because Osama bin Laden (and others) were sick of the way the US was sticking their nose into the business of the Middle East. However, this is a hard sell on the individual foot soldier, so the actual terrorists were convinced they were "holy soldiers" in "jihad" against "The Great Satan".


And it kind of helped that Saddam had threatened the Bush Corp and their relations, the House of Saud.
That whole finding Osama thing sure get forgotten mighty quick in their rush to Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11 btw. Looking at how bumbling Al Qaeda and the typical bomb jockey is, you have to realize they had some kind of help.
 
2012-03-22 10:19:11 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?

Oh, and their 'farking job' right now is trying to advance women's rights, advance gay rights, improve health care, improve the economy, and avoid another 9/11 all the while the Republicans are throwing the biggest tantrum this nation has seen in one hundred and fifty years. At least that's how I see it, but I tend to see things a little differently.

Yes, and only the Democrats can do those things. We have to accept Clintonite Democrats because they're the only political organization which is concerned about saving those things. Don't bring up the fact Clinton was just as much of a deregulating maniac as Bush, because if you bring it up Those Scary Republicans might get into power.


Obama and the Dems have done some of those things. You can stay home and make sure all of the hard fought battles end up retconned instead of Obama continuing to strive for those things. Up to you.
 
2012-03-22 10:19:52 PM

ox45tallboy: Do you think the same thing might happen this time, i.e., opposing party puts up a generic, wealthy piece of plastic with a history of flip-flopping on key issues, and so no one shows up to vote for him and the incumbent wins?

Show many any REAL difference in between Kerry's 2004 platform and Rmoney's 2012 platform.

Oh, wait, they haven't shook up the Etch-a-Sketch and drawn that, yet.


I think Obama will beat any one of them in a landslide. Romney is hardly the wishy-washy middle-of-who knows which road candidate he used to be. Now he's just chum.
 
2012-03-22 10:21:03 PM

Trapper439: ChemicalRummy: But I don't care at this point, I'm not voting for Obama again just because he's not Santorum. They'd have the same foreign policy, and to me, that sounds like a one party system. I'd rather vote third party and get four years of Santorum criminalizing birth control and creating some sort of vaginal enforcement agency, than hold my nose and vote for false advertising, compromise, and wall street.

If you honestly think that Santorum would have the same foreign policy as Obama then you're the same type of braindead US farkwit that handed that idiot Bush two terms in office.


Educate me, oh wise one. I am merely a farkwit that heard Obama claim that all options are on the table when it comes to Iran.

Biological Ali: ChemicalRummy: Anwar al Awlaki

[not_this_shiat_again.jpg]


You don't have a problem with getting executed on nothing more than Youtube videos and the phrase "suspected?"
 
2012-03-22 10:21:58 PM

thamike: ChemicalRummy: Ridiculed, huh? When did Bush kill a U.S. citizen with no due process? I'd call that "exactly like Bush, only worse." Anwar al Awlaki, a suspected terrorist and U.S. citizen, should have been arrested and tried for treason. Due process and all that. But he was killed in a drone strike that constitutional law professor Obama ok'd. Man, if Bush had done that, the capital would be full of outrageous howls and the stink of patchouli and greasy dreadlocks. But Obama did it, and he's our guy, so....yawn.

My balls are on your eyes. I'm dipping my balls on your eyes right now.


narwhaler.com
 
2012-03-22 10:22:01 PM

thamike: Sabyen91: I am skeptical of the "reasonable" people. The country has become way to retarded for me to believe it.

You're one. I'm one. We are most of the country, I'm happy to say.


I despair a bit. Liberals stayed home and we got a teabagger to replace Feingold. If the left stays home bad things happen. I am sickened by the crazy left.
 
2012-03-22 10:22:16 PM

Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?

Oh, and their 'farking job' right now is trying to advance women's rights, advance gay rights, improve health care, improve the economy, and avoid another 9/11 all the while the Republicans are throwing the biggest tantrum this nation has seen in one hundred and fifty years. At least that's how I see it, but I tend to see things a little differently.

Yes, and only the Democrats can do those things. We have to accept Clintonite Democrats because they're the only political organization which is concerned about saving those things. Don't bring up the fact Clinton was just as much of a deregulating maniac as Bush, because if you bring it up Those Scary Republicans might get into power.

Obama and the Dems have done some of those things. You can stay home and make sure all of the hard fought battles end up retconned instead of Obama continuing to strive for those things. Up to you.


No, Obama and the Dems haven't done "some of those things." That's an excuse. Obama's job is to deliver a left leaning constituent base to Wall Street. That is what the national Democratic Party's job is.
 
2012-03-22 10:23:11 PM
So, is it fashionable for "reasonable people" to throw away the concept of due process? I suppose they think it's outdated.

Yes. Look. Look at how reasonable you are.
 
2012-03-22 10:23:29 PM

ChemicalRummy: You don't have a problem with getting executed on nothing more than Youtube videos and the phrase "suspected?"


I have a problem with you not knowing what "executed" means.
 
2012-03-22 10:23:40 PM

ChemicalRummy: Educate me, oh wise one. I am merely a farkwit that heard Obama claim that all options are on the table when it comes to Iran.


Wait, you think Obama should take things off the table to weaken his hand? He did that in the healthcare debate. And you flipped (rightfully so).
 
2012-03-22 10:23:42 PM

Sabyen91: thamike: Sabyen91: I am skeptical of the "reasonable" people. The country has become way to retarded for me to believe it.

You're one. I'm one. We are most of the country, I'm happy to say.

I despair a bit. Liberals stayed home and we got a teabagger to replace Feingold. If the left stays home bad things happen. I am sickened by the crazy left.


Baaw, I bet you are still one of those guys who's mad at Ralph Nader for 2000. Keep calling us crazy because I bet it makes you feel better about supporting a corporatist like Obama.
 
2012-03-22 10:24:22 PM

Kurmudgeon: And it kind of helped that Saddam had threatened the Bush Corp and their relations, the House of Saud.
That whole finding Osama thing sure get forgotten mighty quick in their rush to Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11 btw. Looking at how bumbling Al Qaeda and the typical bomb jockey is, you have to realize they had some kind of help.


The more convinced we (in the US) were convinced of their "religious extremism", the easier recruiting became for soldiers to go fight this war "for our freedom".
 
2012-03-22 10:24:53 PM

thamike: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ChemicalRummy: But I don't care at this point, I'm not voting for Obama again just because he's not Santorum. They'd have the same foreign policy, and to me, that sounds like a one party system. I'd rather vote third party and get four years of Santorum criminalizing birth control and creating some sort of vaginal enforcement agency, than hold my nose and vote for false advertising, compromise, and wall street.

And in the end, this is why Greenwald is hated / apostate / whatever to Democrats and the left. Tone-deaf politics, black and white morality, with us or against us stubbornness, and a not-so-subtle fark you I've got mine mentality. Throw in a heaping dose of smug moral self-superiority and you've got yourself, well, a tribe just like most all the other tribes, really.

Yes, because we should accept relativistic arguments in areas such as war and civil liberties. The response of "Well, you're a tribe too!" is hilarious. How about you Democrats stop pretending Obama is working for someone else besides the MIC and finance capital before you try to go "You're so black and white!" to the rest of us?

And here it is.

Don't fret. Just like Santorum-voting ass-weasels, left-wing twats are few and far between and their set of demands and talking points usually look like this:

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The Reasonable will win again this year, by a wide margin.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-22 10:25:10 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Yes, and only the Democrats can do those things.


Duvarger's Law says yes.
 
2012-03-22 10:25:16 PM

Biological Ali: I have a problem with you not knowing what "executed" means.


You're right -- most U.S. citizens at least get a trial before they're executed.
 
2012-03-22 10:25:39 PM

mr lawson: Heron: Yeah, defending people alleged of committing a crime out of social conscience. How gauche.

Wait....you are actually white knighting Glenn Greenwald? Bahahahaha. I know nobody on either the left or right (thought it is expected on the right) who likes this guy. You are a first!


Partisans don't like Greenwald because he listed bad things Bush was doing was, then when Obama kept doing the same things, Greenwald didn't magically think they stopped being bad.
 
2012-03-22 10:25:51 PM

James F. Campbell: So, is it fashionable for "reasonable people" to throw away the concept of due process? I suppose they think it's outdated.

Yes. Look. Look at how reasonable you are.


SHUT UP! SCAAARY TEABAGGERS! SCAAARY REPUBLICANS! DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT KEEPING CORPORATISTS OUT OF POWER? THEN YOU BETTER VOTE OBAMA, YOU CRAZY COMMUNIST!
 
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