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(Some Guy)   "As for the killing of bin Laden, Obama did what virtually any commander in chief would have done in the same situation. Portraying this as the epic achievement of the first term tells you how bare the White House cupboards are"   (rove.com) divider line 297
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2012-03-22 12:39:27 PM
As for the killing of Osama bin Laden, Mr. Obama did what virtually any commander in chief would have done in the same situation. Even President Bill Clinton says in the film "that's the call I would have made."

Yeah, Obama made the decision to kill Bin Laden. Clinton would have made that decision. Bush decided to say "fark it. Osama's not a priority anymore. Anybody up for some brush clearing?"
 
2012-03-22 12:40:51 PM
Then why didn't Bush get him? I guess he's the exception to the rule?
 
2012-03-22 12:43:19 PM
Put that alongside shrub doing nothing. The repubs needed bin Laden alive to maintain the fear they needed to stay in power. Fear of the other, the boogeyman, is used by them to stay in power. The Dems looked at the possibility of what it would be like without being afraid of OBL and AQ and did something about removing that fear. Rove and the other republitards cannot function without having a boogeyman to take out of the closet and frighten the voters. Obama's got 99 problems, but bin Laden ain't one of them.
 
2012-03-22 12:43:43 PM

Karac: Yeah, Obama made the decision to kill Bin Laden. Clinton would have made that decision. Bush decided to say "fark it. Osama's not a priority anymore. Anybody up for some brush clearing?"


Didn't Clinton specifically make the decision NOT to kill Bin Laden or am I not remembering that correctly?

cameroncrazy1984: Then why didn't Bush get him? I guess he's the exception to the rule?


I'd venture to guess that the better part of a decade he had the intelligence agencies spend hunting Bin Laden might have had something to do with us finding him.
 
2012-03-22 12:44:42 PM
"The only foreign policy thing I remember he said was he's going to attack Pakistan" -- George W. Bush Feb 2008

He did Rove, yes he did.
 
2012-03-22 12:44:45 PM

AmazinTim: I'd venture to guess that the better part of a decade he had the intelligence agencies spend hunting Bin Laden might have had something to do with us finding him.


I believe you mean the decade that he had the CIA bin Laden office shut down, that Obama had to restart.
 
2012-03-22 12:45:19 PM

AmazinTim: Karac: Yeah, Obama made the decision to kill Bin Laden. Clinton would have made that decision. Bush decided to say "fark it. Osama's not a priority anymore. Anybody up for some brush clearing?"

Didn't Clinton specifically make the decision NOT to kill Bin Laden or am I not remembering that correctly?

cameroncrazy1984: Then why didn't Bush get him? I guess he's the exception to the rule?

I'd venture to guess that the better part of a decade he had the intelligence agencies spend hunting Bin Laden might have had something to do with us finding him.


If 'decided not to kill him' means 'fired Hellfire missiles at him' then yeah, Clinton decided not to kill him.
 
2012-03-22 12:45:19 PM
That's odd, I never hear Obama mention this at all. I'm sure he WILL, since it's campaign season, but it doesn't seem to be a priority.

Goddammit subby, you tricked me into clicking Karl Rove's website. Burn in hell, JUST LIKE OSAMA BIN LADEN, AFTER OUR FEARLESS LEADER KILLED HIM.
 
2012-03-22 12:45:33 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Then why didn't Bush get him?


Because terror is bigger than one person.
 
2012-03-22 12:46:19 PM

cameroncrazy1984: AmazinTim: I'd venture to guess that the better part of a decade he had the intelligence agencies spend hunting Bin Laden might have had something to do with us finding him.

I believe you mean the decade that he had the CIA bin Laden office shut down, that Obama had to restart.


I'm sorry, it was closed in 2006 and reopened in 2009 by Obama.
 
2012-03-22 12:49:39 PM
...how bare the White House cupboards are

/where the hell's the irony tag when you really need it?
 
2012-03-22 12:50:22 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ...how bare the White House cupboards are

/where the hell's the irony tag when you really need it?


It's classic Rovian projection. Of course, now that we know that is what it is, it's not as effective.
 
2012-03-22 12:51:36 PM

GAT_00: AmazinTim: Karac: Yeah, Obama made the decision to kill Bin Laden. Clinton would have made that decision. Bush decided to say "fark it. Osama's not a priority anymore. Anybody up for some brush clearing?"

Didn't Clinton specifically make the decision NOT to kill Bin Laden or am I not remembering that correctly?

cameroncrazy1984: Then why didn't Bush get him? I guess he's the exception to the rule?

I'd venture to guess that the better part of a decade he had the intelligence agencies spend hunting Bin Laden might have had something to do with us finding him.

If 'decided not to kill him' means 'fired Hellfire missiles at him' then yeah, Clinton decided not to kill him.


No that's not what I meant. A did a quick google and found the topic of discussion I remember hearing way back when it was relevant. Link (new window)
 
2012-03-22 12:53:24 PM

DarnoKonrad: "The only foreign policy thing I remember he said was he's going to attack Pakistan" -- George W. Bush Feb 2008

He did Rove, yes he did.


Rove has selective memory. A common trait amongst Republitards
 
2012-03-22 12:55:02 PM

cameroncrazy1984: cameroncrazy1984: AmazinTim: I'd venture to guess that the better part of a decade he had the intelligence agencies spend hunting Bin Laden might have had something to do with us finding him.

I believe you mean the decade that he had the CIA bin Laden office shut down, that Obama had to restart.

I'm sorry, it was closed in 2006 and reopened in 2009 by Obama.


Because it's the CIA, and not the NSA that handle's most of our intelligence work. Also "SEAL Team Six" goes around doing all our special ops for us, right?
 
2012-03-22 12:57:40 PM
Not to defend Bush or Turd Blossom, but it has been my understanding that Bush didn't externally make catching Osama a priority so that the intelligence communities would have a better shot at hunting him down. Hell, Obama made a big deal about catching Bin Laden on the campaign trail, but completely stopped talking about that as soon as it was clear he was the President Elect and began receiving intelligence briefings. At the time I assumed that meant either Bin Laden was dead and that fact was being kept from the public, or he was most likely alive and actively hunted away from the political spotlight.
 
2012-03-22 12:58:38 PM

AmazinTim: Didn't Clinton specifically make the decision NOT to kill Bin Laden or am I not remembering that correctly?


You are misremembering that. He specifically put a "shoot on sight" order that the Congress dithered about, and wrung their hands on how terrible a message that was.
 
2012-03-22 01:03:58 PM
images.wikia.com
 
2012-03-22 01:05:20 PM
At this point, folks realize that getting bin Laden was a huge deal, so they really have to try to downplay it.

Since, apparently it was so easy that Bush decided for two terms to let it go, because...it was just low hanging fruit. Not like the hard stuff like starting up a war with a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 or our own security.
 
2012-03-22 01:05:58 PM
If any CIC would have done the same, why didn't Bush get his scalp?
 
2012-03-22 01:07:07 PM
Oh, and if the "cupboards are bare", it's mostly because the GOP rummaged through all of them like a drunk looking for the last bottle of booze and spilled everything on purpose, just so they could then ask why the mess hasn't been cleaned up yet.
 
2012-03-22 01:12:41 PM
Hmm. Read a Washington Post piece on this a little earlier today.
snip:
Rove cites this quote from Bill Clinton in the documentary to make the case that any president would have made the call Obama made:

As for the killing of Osama bin Laden, Mr. Obama did what virtually any commander in chief would have done in the same situation. Even President Bill Clinton says in the film "that's the call I would have made." For this to be portrayed as the epic achievement of the first term tells you how bare the White House cupboards are.

"That's the call I would have made," Clinton said in the documentary, according to Rove. And it's true, Clinton did utter those words. But here's the full quote from Clinton, at the 12:30 mark in the film:

"He took the harder and the more honorable path. When I saw what had happened, I thought to myself, `I hope that's the call I would have made.'"

Someone should really point that out to Karl so he doesn't accidentally misinform people.
 
2012-03-22 01:18:03 PM
If the attempt to get Bin Laden had failed, Obama was done for. There was no way he'd have a chance at a 2nd term. The right wing talking points would write themselves. But since it succeeded, the right had a mass "oh crap" moment, and are STILL trying to find the message that won't get them killed in the polls.
 
2012-03-22 01:19:07 PM
Bullshiat. It was a HUGE risk. The Pakistani military could have engaged the choppers. There could have been a firefight from Bin Laden's compound before they could enter. They could have been mistaken about it and ended up shooting up the wrong house and killing innocent Pakistani civilians that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The team could have been captured. These are just a few of the things that could have gone wrong.

I'm not a democrat, so this isn't me white-knighting for my own team. It was a pretty damn ballsy call that could have gone wrong, and he took a real gamble telling them to go ahead. He took the risk, and it paid off, so he deserves the reward.
 
2012-03-22 01:20:01 PM

You mean like how St. Reagan went after the people that committed this act?

i44.tinypic.com

"I'm sorry those Marines died, but, hey, sh*t happens." (new window)


Obama wasn't on that raid, but his Presidency sure as f*ck was. If it went to sh*t he would have been toast. Weak, Democrat, incompetent, 3am phone call... etc etc etc

Was Reagan's move correct? Absolutely. The entire country fell into a world of sh*t. There was nothing to do but let all sides fight it out. But, it was a withdrawal. There was no vengeance as the right seems so eager to pursue in any other matter.

Reagan was right to withdraw, and there was no criticism (palpable criticism, there was some but nothing like this nonsense). Yet, when Obama puts his presidency on the line against the advice of his inner-circle, he's just another President doing what dem boys do, right?

You're stupid. You should not speak anymore. I hate you, Karl. You are a bad person and you should feel bad.
 
2012-03-22 01:20:06 PM
Republican double think:

Either

This was such an easy decision that it was the default position for the President and stake holders to take. The outcome was certain, and Zero shouldn't get credit for giving the green light to a guaranteed slam dunk.

Or

0bummer, the empty suit, couldn't be trusted to make this difficult decision since the fallout would land on him. The military commanders involved authorized and initiated the assault, and 0bambi was hauled in off the golf course and told to sit in the corner and watch.
 
2012-03-22 01:22:34 PM
Hey Rove.. STFU. Obama actually DID IT.
 
2012-03-22 01:23:07 PM
Shut up, Turdblossom, you cock!
 
2012-03-22 01:24:26 PM
Just keep repeating the propaganda until your sheep believe it. That's the Republican way.
 
2012-03-22 01:25:33 PM
Pffft! Anybody can be president. shiat I would have killed two bin Ladens, balanced the budget, and made Monica swallow.
 
2012-03-22 01:25:54 PM

GAT_00: AmazinTim: Karac: Yeah, Obama made the decision to kill Bin Laden. Clinton would have made that decision. Bush decided to say "fark it. Osama's not a priority anymore. Anybody up for some brush clearing?"

Didn't Clinton specifically make the decision NOT to kill Bin Laden or am I not remembering that correctly?

cameroncrazy1984: Then why didn't Bush get him? I guess he's the exception to the rule?

I'd venture to guess that the better part of a decade he had the intelligence agencies spend hunting Bin Laden might have had something to do with us finding him.

If 'decided not to kill him' means 'fired Hellfire missiles at him' then yeah, Clinton decided not to kill him.


IIRC the GOP controlled Congress also did everything they could to hamstring his attempts to put a bullet between bin Ladens eyes. I may be wrong but I seem to recall them even pulling out the "Executive Order not to kill any Heads of State", or at the very least floating it.
 
2012-03-22 01:26:04 PM
Three dismal years

Poor baby.

/I'll bet his portfolio has increased more in the last three years than the previous six.
 
2012-03-22 01:26:26 PM
Obama only killed OBL for political purposes which means he is bad!! DERP! DERP! DERP!
 
2012-03-22 01:26:30 PM
For this to be portrayed as the epic achievement of the first term tells you how bare the White House cupboards are.

You know, what is it with Obama and his bragging? He didn't need to fly and land a fighter jet onto an aircraft carrier to give a speech declaring Mission Accomplished. He should have done like Bush and just announced it from the White House.
 
2012-03-22 01:26:36 PM

AmazinTim: cameroncrazy1984: cameroncrazy1984: AmazinTim: I'd venture to guess that the better part of a decade he had the intelligence agencies spend hunting Bin Laden might have had something to do with us finding him.

I believe you mean the decade that he had the CIA bin Laden office shut down, that Obama had to restart.

I'm sorry, it was closed in 2006 and reopened in 2009 by Obama.

Because it's the CIA, and not the NSA that handle's most of our intelligence work. Also "SEAL Team Six" goes around doing all our special ops for us, right?


Wait, are you really still trying to say that Bush was trying to get Bin Laden? Lol. I guess some people need their fairy tales to sleep at night.
 
2012-03-22 01:26:43 PM
"Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."

Who said that, Karl?
 
2012-03-22 01:27:19 PM

Karac: As for the killing of Osama bin Laden, Mr. Obama did what virtually any commander in chief would have done in the same situation. Even President Bill Clinton says in the film "that's the call I would have made."

Yeah, Obama made the decision to kill Bin Laden. Clinton would have made that decision. Bush decided to say "fark it. Osama's not a priority anymore. Anybody up for some brush clearing?"


Clinton would have launched cruise missiles. And they'd have most likely failed. And even if they did succeed, we'd have had no confirmation and no intelligence treasure trove from the operation.

Obama stuck his neck out making this decision, actually putting a covert team on the ground to make sure the job gets done, and he deserves the credit for it. Because you know for damn sure that if it failed, if Seal Team 6 were captured and killed by Al Qaeda, Rove and the rest of the GOP would be rushing to pin the blame on him.
 
2012-03-22 01:28:12 PM

I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Republican double think:

Either

This was such an easy decision that it was the default position for the President and stake holders to take. The outcome was certain, and Zero shouldn't get credit for giving the green light to a guaranteed slam dunk.

Or

0bummer, the empty suit, couldn't be trusted to make this difficult decision since the fallout would land on him. The military commanders involved authorized and initiated the assault, and 0bambi was hauled in off the golf course and told to sit in the corner and watch.


Republicans believe Obama has done nothing as president AND also turned the country into full government controlled socialism at the same time. What you mention is easy for them to believe.
 
2012-03-22 01:28:20 PM
www.toomanymornings.com
 
2012-03-22 01:28:39 PM

AmazinTim: Karac: Yeah, Obama made the decision to kill Bin Laden. Clinton would have made that decision. Bush decided to say "fark it. Osama's not a priority anymore. Anybody up for some brush clearing?"

Didn't Clinton specifically make the decision NOT to kill Bin Laden or am I not remembering that correctly?

cameroncrazy1984: Then why didn't Bush get him? I guess he's the exception to the rule?

I'd venture to guess that the better part of a decade he had the intelligence agencies spend hunting Bin Laden might have had something to do with us finding him.


Forgetting Bush declaring that Bin Laden "wasn't a priority" to justify going into Iraq, are we?
 
2012-03-22 01:29:09 PM
You mad Republicans?

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Grand_Moff_Joseph: If any CIC would have done the same, why didn't Bush get his scalp?


They needed a perpetual boogeyman? Just like in everything else neocons do.
 
2012-03-22 01:29:46 PM

HeartBurnKid: Obama stuck his neck out making this decision, actually putting a covert team on the ground to make sure the job gets done, and he deserves the credit for it. Because you know for damn sure that if it failed, if Seal Team 6 were captured and killed by Al Qaeda, Rove and the rest of the GOP would be rushing to pin the blame on him.


Even if Seal Team 6 raided the compound and got out safely but did not get Osama bin Laden, the attack on a sovereign nation would have caused an enormous international shiatstorm. Hell, even as a success it did to some degree but at least now Obama can respond with "uhh, you were hiding Osama bin Laden so we went and got him."
 
2012-03-22 01:30:21 PM
Rove.com? Yeah, fark you if you want me to read that level of bullshiat.
 
2012-03-22 01:30:22 PM

SmackLT: Bullshiat. It was a HUGE risk. The Pakistani military could have engaged the choppers. There could have been a firefight from Bin Laden's compound before they could enter. They could have been mistaken about it and ended up shooting up the wrong house and killing innocent Pakistani civilians that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The team could have been captured. These are just a few of the things that could have gone wrong.

I'm not a democrat, so this isn't me white-knighting for my own team. It was a pretty damn ballsy call that could have gone wrong, and he took a real gamble telling them to go ahead. He took the risk, and it paid off, so he deserves the reward.


This. If it failed: Some of the "Carter II" memes would've taken off for the GOP. Since it succeeded, the GOP are farked; they really can't turn this to their favor without raising the fact that Bush couldn't/didn't get him during his entire two terms in office AND shut down the CIA bin Laden office in 2006.
 
2012-03-22 01:30:26 PM

lennavan: For this to be portrayed as the epic achievement of the first term tells you how bare the White House cupboards are.

You know, what is it with Obama and his bragging? He didn't need to fly and land a fighter jet onto an aircraft carrier to give a speech declaring Mission Accomplished. He should have done like Bush and just announced it from the White House.


You mean slamming Tonka trucks into one another while screaming CRASSHHH CRASHHH isn't a solid foreign policy?
 
2012-03-22 01:30:35 PM
I wish Karl Rove would die of AIDS in prison.
 
2012-03-22 01:31:04 PM
That's not true:

He had the courage and conviction to order the extra-judicial assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while violating the territory of a nation that never attacked the US using intelligence gathered by the use of torture (new window).

It was anything but typical.

/yeah, I know, I know, the Guardian is right wing schill newspaper
 
2012-03-22 01:31:21 PM
img.dailymail.co.uk

What political bragging actually looks like.
 
2012-03-22 01:31:21 PM

lennavan: HeartBurnKid: Obama stuck his neck out making this decision, actually putting a covert team on the ground to make sure the job gets done, and he deserves the credit for it. Because you know for damn sure that if it failed, if Seal Team 6 were captured and killed by Al Qaeda, Rove and the rest of the GOP would be rushing to pin the blame on him.

Even if Seal Team 6 raided the compound and got out safely but did not get Osama bin Laden, the attack on a sovereign nation would have caused an enormous international shiatstorm. Hell, even as a success it did to some degree but at least now Obama can respond with "uhh, you were hiding Osama bin Laden so we went and got him."


And that's another thing. Would any other president have decided to take the risk of violating another country's sovereignty to do this? Maybe, probably not. Hell, McCain flat-out said he wouldn't during the campaign.
 
2012-03-22 01:31:27 PM
WHY U NO HUMILITY OBAMA?

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