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2012-03-23 03:22:11 AM

Crafty Bernardo: Crafty Bernardo: ChuDogg: JuggleGeek: scene.

I'm sorry Chudogg.. your Boobies was great... it's been downhill from there.

OK.. seriously... I did NOT say that!!!!

I meant to say "your Boobies was great... it's been downhill from there."

I must've hot-linked something or control c'd... was that freudian?


It did it again!!!!

Boobies
Boobies
 
2012-03-23 03:22:13 AM

borg: ChuDogg: JuggleGeek: Excuse me? You're claiming that Zimmeran was the one with a risk of serious injury or death, but that Martin wasn't? And you're saying that Zimmerman was the one that attempted to flee, but Martin didn't?

The 911 call that Zimmerman made, he says that Martin see's him and is running, and he says that he's following. He's also the only one that's armed. That directly contradicts what you're claiming.

The police have already said that Zimmerman had the right to follow Martin. Believe it or not, you can follow and observe somebody you believe is breaking the law.

When it comes to the altercation, we don't know anything about how zimmerman may have threatened or attacked Martin.

While Martin was on top of Zimmerman for atleast a minute punching him while he screamed for help. Under those conditions, he 1) risked seriously injury or death and 2) Could not attempt to flee.

None of these conditions applied to Martin. At any point during the full minute that he was on top of Zimmerman punching him he was 1)Not under a risk of injury or death and 2) He could have fled the scene.

He tried to flee the scene but the fat guy with a gun who had been following him for blocks chased him and grabbed him then killed him in cold blood after Martin tried to defend himself. This was nothing more than a lynching. People defending Zimmerman are stupid or racist 9beers is both.


Never give in to explanations that involve complicated racism, when derp will suffice.
 
2012-03-23 03:23:47 AM

Crafty Bernardo: Crafty Bernardo: Crafty Bernardo: ChuDogg: JuggleGeek: scene.

I'm sorry Chudogg.. your Boobies was great... it's been downhill from there.

OK.. seriously... I did NOT say that!!!!

I meant to say "your Boobies was great... it's been downhill from there."

I must've hot-linked something or control c'd... was that freudian?

It did it again!!!!

Boobies
Boobies


It's a fark filter.

It keeps people from saying f i r s t in every thread like the retards on Youtube do.
 
2012-03-23 03:24:47 AM

ChuDogg: dlp211: Right, because Martin was Tyson bashing his face in, the guy had a broken nose and a cut on the back of his head, not even close to being dead. It doesn't even seem like he tried, he just curled up like a little pussy and begged for help(assuming it was him getting pummeled) then he remembered he had his gun and he didn't want to get beat up anymore.

lol. I love when internet tough guys get all "what they would do in a fight". Guess what? Maybe he was a pussy. Maybe he knew he didn't stand a chance in a fight. He still has rights that go beyond "curl up in a ball and hope he doesn't kill you". This isn't Europe afterall. He did the right thing, he took a beating for at least a minute hoping somebody would help him. Unfortunately the homeowner didn't want to go anywhere near him and ran to call the police.

I think I've "clarified" pretty much everything and am now just repeating myself. I'll stick around though if I have any more insights. 4chan is currently hacking his facebook. Apparently Martin was a drug dealer named "Slim" and other interesting tidbits.


I don't see where any of my statements could be seen as being a tough guy. I got my ass beat all of high school.
 
2012-03-23 03:26:42 AM

Mrtraveler01: Crafty Bernardo: Crafty Bernardo: Crafty Bernardo: ChuDogg: JuggleGeek: scene.

I'm sorry Chudogg.. your Boobies was great... it's been downhill from there.

OK.. seriously... I did NOT say that!!!!

I meant to say "your Boobies was great... it's been downhill from there."

I must've hot-linked something or control c'd... was that freudian?

It did it again!!!!

Boobies
Boobies

It's a fark filter.

It keeps people from saying f i r s t in every thread like the retards on Youtube do.


And it's better that people say "boobies" in every thread?

Fark be stupid.

They should have made f i r s t say "I suck dicks" or something.
 
2012-03-23 03:26:53 AM

dlp211: Mrtraveler01: muck4doo: //I trust the populace more than the government though.

I trust neither. Where does that lead me? :P

Government is neither inherently good or bad. The only reason the government is bad is because the populace allows it to be.


That makes too much sense. You're creeping me out!
 
2012-03-23 03:27:12 AM

ChuDogg: dlp211: Also, the screams for help lasted seconds not a full minute.

In my post you can follow the link. The call is 45 seconds from start to the gunshot.


Yea I fixed that pretty quick.
 
2012-03-23 03:27:30 AM

Mrtraveler01: muck4doo: This NFL off-season has been interesting.

I checked out the New Orleans news sites about what's going on down there. And it's pretty...um....interesting how they're taking the news.

muck4doo: /If Santorum gets nominated might be a long time though

Oh c'mon now! Even you know that's pretty tempting to check out. ;)

/In a train wreck sort of way


Tebow>My Cat>Durbin>Santorum

For prez.
 
2012-03-23 03:29:33 AM

Crafty Bernardo: "I suck dicks"


Why do that when you can do it yourself?
 
2012-03-23 03:33:52 AM

ChuDogg: JuggleGeek: Excuse me? You're claiming that Zimmeran was the one with a risk of serious injury or death, but that Martin wasn't? And you're saying that Zimmerman was the one that attempted to flee, but Martin didn't?

The 911 call that Zimmerman made, he says that Martin see's him and is running, and he says that he's following. He's also the only one that's armed. That directly contradicts what you're claiming.

The police have already said that Zimmerman had the right to follow Martin. Believe it or not, you can follow and observe somebody you believe is breaking the law.

Citation Please

If you are talking about the chief of police who has already been caught many lies, has been given a vote of no confidence by the city council, and is under investigation by the Justice Department, you are going to have to cite somebody.


When it comes to the altercation, we don't know anything about how zimmerman may have threatened or attacked Martin.

He threatened Martin by first following him, and then chasing Martin on foot once he ran away. We know this by the fact that Martin told his girlfriend that somebody was following him and the fact that Zimmerman told 911 that Martin had run away.


While Martin was on top of Zimmerman for atleast a minute punching him while he screamed for help. Under those conditions, he 1) risked seriously injury or death and 2) Could not attempt to flee.

Once again if this did take place Zimmerman was the aggressor and attacker. Martin was defending himself.

None of these conditions applied to Martin. At any point during the full minute that he was on top of Zimmerman punching him he was 1)Not under a risk of injury or death and 2) He could have fled the scene.

Martin had every right to assume that he was in danger for his life because some unknown person was following him then started chasing him when he ran.

Martin did try to flee, Zimmerman chased him and cornered him, so he defended himself. Once again, we know Martin fled because Zimmerman told the 911 operator that Martin was running away. We know that Zimmerman caught up to Martin and cornered him because of Martin's girlfriend's statement
.


Now i suggest you stop now before you end up in 9beers territory and start getting caught in lies you tell to back your position.
 
2012-03-23 03:38:25 AM
How did a 220-pound man with a gun feel threatened by a 6'3" 150 pound unarmed 17-year old?
I was 150 when I was 17, and I was skinny as a rail, and this kid was 4 inches taller than I was. That's a Manute Bol body type.

Zimmerman sounds like he pisses his pants in fear when Urkel comes on TV.
 
2012-03-23 03:40:29 AM
ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You live in a warped reality.
 
2012-03-23 03:40:32 AM

stoli n coke: How did a 220-pound man with a gun feel threatened by a 6'3" 150 pound unarmed 17-year old?
I was 150 when I was 17, and I was skinny as a rail, and this kid was 4 inches taller than I was. That's a Manute Bol body type.

Zimmerman sounds like he pisses his pants in fear when Urkel comes on TV.


Actually.. I said earlier that I think 6'3", 150 lbs are Snoop Dogg's stats. Except without any man-strength.

Oooooohhhh scaaaaary. I could see how a grown-ass 220 lb man would need a 9MM to fend off all that.
 
2012-03-23 03:43:13 AM

ChuDogg: ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You live in a warped reality.


Yes... we should live in the real reality where Zimmerman tried to defend himself and Trayvon Martin killed him.

You smoke crack.
 
2012-03-23 03:45:46 AM

ChuDogg: ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You live in a warped reality.


Or you can decide not to follow the guy, and wait for the cops. Just like the guy was told to do. But big man with a gun, he was gonna make that boy respect his authoritay, and go take on that punk hisself.
 
2012-03-23 03:48:19 AM

ChuDogg: ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You live in a warped reality.


By the way, Chudogg.. how does Travon Martinn know this guy's on the phone with 911? All Travon Martin hears is Zimmerman saying to someone on the phone "He's running away... I'm following him... mummble coons mummble mumble".. if anything, that makes the whole thing more intimidating. I'd be wondering if I was going to turn the corner and see a hooded accomplice on a horse with a burning cross if I were him.

It's amazing how you guys put all the onus for being calm, cool, reserved, in control, and not reactive on the 17 year old unarmed kid who was just walking home with skittles and not the armed, adult man who wilfully got out of his car to follow a person who he simply saw walking down the street.
 
2012-03-23 03:48:59 AM

ChuDogg: ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?

There is no proof that that is how it happened. That is complete conjecture. So let's rewrite this with facts. A minor expresses his concern that he is being followed by an adult stranger. He gets away, but later the two find one another. The man says "What are you doing here?" to which the minor asks "Who are you?" at which time the a fight breaks out. Even if the minor makes the initial strike he is within his right to because he was under intimidation first.


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You have a right to defend yourself, you don't have the right to kill someone. What did Zimmerman do to defend himself. Did he cover his face, did he hug Martin and roll him, did he attempt to get out from underneath a 150 lb kid? No, he turns around and shoots him. You can't even do that in war bro.

You live in a warped reality.

 
2012-03-23 03:53:05 AM

ChuDogg: ongbok: Trayvon was worried about the guy who was following him. and decided to take measures to allude the guy that was following him. That shows that Trayvon had a reasonable expectation that his life was in danger.

Somebody following you does not give you the right to hide in the dark, watch as they walk by you while on the phone with 911, and then attack them, continuing your assault for at least a minute while he is screaming for help.

The proper response is to call the police


A hell of a lot of good that would have done. Zimmerman would have still chased him down and shot him, all we would have had then was him on the phone with 911 while he was being killed. The only mistake he made that night was that he shouldn't have stopped running until he got to his father's house..

Plus what proof do you have that he hid in the dark for him? By Trayvon's girlfriends statement he thought he lost him so he slowed down, then he said he was right there and they had words, then the phone went dead.

So you are going your boy's 9beers route and making shiat up and lying also?

Why is it that everybody that wants to defend this guy always have to twist the truth and make shiat up? Is that the only way you can rationalize what he did is by lying about what Trayvon did?

So I put the question to you also, are you a troll, idiot or racist?
 
2012-03-23 03:56:02 AM

ChuDogg: ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You live in a warped reality.


You are making shiat up, stop lying. By his girlfriends statement he started walking faster, then ran and slowed down once he thought he lost him. But of course you ignored all of that and made up your own narrative because you are also a liar.
 
2012-03-23 04:03:54 AM

dlp211: JuggleGeek: ChuDogg: I know some people don't believe in self defense. That's OK. That's your opinion. But that's not the law in any U.S. state that I'm aware of. The strictest U.S. states say "risk of serious injury or death", and "must show an Attempt to flee". Both facets can be shown here for Zimmerman. But neither would be shown for Martin (unless some information that isn't available to us).

Excuse me? You're claiming that Zimmeran was the one with a risk of serious injury or death, but that Martin wasn't? And you're saying that Zimmerman was the one that attempted to flee, but Martin didn't?

The 911 call that Zimmerman made, he says that Martin see's him and is running, and he says that he's following. He's also the only one that's armed. That directly contradicts what you're claiming.

This is what the whole case is going to rest on. Once Martin ran, his actions indicate that he was attempting to flee, Martin continued his pursuit and decided to keep looking for him. Based on ChuDogg's map of the crime scene, which I agree is fairly accurate, I would say that if Z actually had the intent of returning to his vehicle, he could have made it their in the time he was on the phone with 911.

The question is going to be does Zimmerman have the right to continue to search for the suspect?

Also, getting punched in the face is not deadly force unless it is Mike Tyson doing the punching. But florida is just farked up.


???

i1222.photobucket.com

???

/Thank you aug3 for Trayvon original.
 
2012-03-23 04:05:51 AM

ChuDogg: ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You live in a warped reality.


Actually I'm probably the only one in this thread that has been through a similar situation. I'm black and grew up spitting distance from Cicero Illinois in the 80's. So yes I have been followed home by cars and then chased. And guess what, I have never been prosecuted when i couldn't out run my attackers and I had to put my back to a wall and start throwing punches.

So you if you think you can chase somebody and they don't have the right to defend themselves you are the one that is living in a warped reality.

Also once again you are making shiat up about Zimmerman being punched bloody you LIAR
 
2012-03-23 04:11:04 AM
If I spent my time on the internet using a pro-murder stance to troll people, I would kill myself and claim self-defense.
 
2012-03-23 04:13:39 AM

ongbok: Actually I'm probably the only one in this thread that has been through a similar situation


Don't assume anything on Fark.

/No, you're not.
//I know where you are coming from though.
///Much more to say, but best I keep my mouth shut for now
////Has to do with 14th in Oakland
 
2012-03-23 04:18:48 AM
In general, I think people are making this more complicated than it is. One man chased down another man and killed him. Nobody disputes this, and in any state this is highly illegal. All the race stuff is getting in the way of what should be a pretty simple murder conviction.
 
2012-03-23 04:20:31 AM
I'm walking down the street with my skittles and tea and some asshole starts following me yelling, "What are you doing here?"

At 17?

I'd have been freaking out and I'm white.

Zimmerman could have just WATCHED.

He could have just gone for a walk.

But he went looking for a confrontation and a kid died.

Then the cops got the story they wanted and quit.


How hot does Sanford get in the summertime?
 
2012-03-23 04:36:30 AM

ongbok: ChuDogg: ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You live in a warped reality.

You are making shiat up, stop lying. By his girlfriends statement he started walking faster, then ran and slowed down once he thought he lost him. But of course you ignored all of that and made up your own narrative because you are also a liar.


I'm posting a hypothetical because you have no idea how the situation went down. You seem to be fine with saying Martin had the right to attack Zimmerman simply because he was being followed, period, regardless of how the altercation developed. Obviously that's not true.

He was being followed in full compliance with the law. There is no statute anywhere in the country that suggests you can attack somebody simply for being followed.

My position from the beginning is that we have no evidence how the altercation developed. I presented 3 plausible scenarios how it might have escalated and the repercussions of each. And i've done a better job than most analyzing this situation critically. Notice nobody is arguing that it was Martin on the ground screaming for help anymore?
 
2012-03-23 05:18:32 AM
haha
 
2012-03-23 05:20:02 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I'm walking down the street with my skittles and tea and some asshole starts following me yelling, "What are you doing here?"

At 17?

I'd have been freaking out and I'm white.

Zimmerman could have just WATCHED.

He could have just gone for a walk.

But he went looking for a confrontation and a kid died.

Then the cops got the story they wanted and quit.


How hot does Sanford get in the summertime?


Who, and why?
 
2012-03-23 06:15:44 AM
If the weapon isn't legal, its use to kill a human is murder no matter what the reason.
 
2012-03-23 06:58:11 AM

gameshowhost: What if a little negro is holding the Skittles? See? Now it totally looks like a gun.

.


Didn't you know that anything a negro is holding looks like a gun?


/not trolling, just pure sarcasm.
 
2012-03-23 07:39:37 AM

ChuDogg: ongbok: ChuDogg: ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You live in a warped reality.

You are making shiat up, stop lying. By his girlfriends statement he started walking faster, then ran and slowed down once he thought he lost him. But of course you ignored all of that and made up your own narrative because you are also a liar.

I'm posting a hypothetical because you have no idea how the situation went down. You seem to be fine with saying Martin had the right to attack Zimmerman simply because he was being followed, period, regardless of how the altercation developed. Obviously that's not true.

He was being followed in full compliance with the law. There is no statute anywhere in the country that suggests you can attack somebody simply for being followed.

My position from the beginning is that we have no evidence how the altercation developed. I presented 3 plausible scenarios how it might have escalated and the repercussions of each. And i've done a better job than most analyzing this situation critically. Notice nobody is arguing that it was Martin on the ground screaming for help anymore?


One witness places Martin was on top of Zimmerman at some point before Zimmerman fired the shot, but as I understand it the witnesses are divided as to whether it was Martin or Zimmerman who was screaming for help just before the shot was fired.
 
2012-03-23 07:57:11 AM

tirob: ChuDogg: ongbok: ChuDogg: ongbok:

So you're walking down the street, somebody in a car slows down and tails you. You run around the back, he follows you. You hide in the darkness, he walks by while on the phone with 911. He get's off the phone and says "what are you doing here?"

You have the right to Kill him?


You're on the ground, somebody is on top of you punching you while you're bleeding from the head for over a minute while you scream for help. You don't have the right to defend yourself from the guy on top of you?

You live in a warped reality.

You are making shiat up, stop lying. By his girlfriends statement he started walking faster, then ran and slowed down once he thought he lost him. But of course you ignored all of that and made up your own narrative because you are also a liar.

I'm posting a hypothetical because you have no idea how the situation went down. You seem to be fine with saying Martin had the right to attack Zimmerman simply because he was being followed, period, regardless of how the altercation developed. Obviously that's not true.

He was being followed in full compliance with the law. There is no statute anywhere in the country that suggests you can attack somebody simply for being followed.

My position from the beginning is that we have no evidence how the altercation developed. I presented 3 plausible scenarios how it might have escalated and the repercussions of each. And i've done a better job than most analyzing this situation critically. Notice nobody is arguing that it was Martin on the ground screaming for help anymore?

One witness places Martin was on top of Zimmerman at some point before Zimmerman fired the shot, but as I understand it the witnesses are divided as to whether it was Martin or Zimmerman who was screaming for help just before the shot was fired.


Rtft
 
2012-03-23 08:14:04 AM
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I AM PIE TRAYNOR
 
2012-03-23 08:37:47 AM

ChuDogg: tirob: One witness places Martin was on top of Zimmerman at some point before Zimmerman fired the shot, but as I understand it the witnesses are divided as to whether it was Martin or Zimmerman who was screaming for help just before the shot was fired.

Rtft


My point is that you're only half right if you are asserting that all the witnesses agree that Martin was not on the ground screaming for help.

"I heard the crying. It was a little boy. As soon as the gun went off, the crying stopped".

This witness has also asserted that Sanford police have ignored her and that they have falsely accused her of making inconsistent statements. If she turns out to be credible, I think it is at least evidence that the Sanford police jumped to the conclusion that Zimmerman acted in legitimate self defense.
 
2012-03-23 08:43:12 AM

tirob: ChuDogg: tirob: One witness places Martin was on top of Zimmerman at some point before Zimmerman fired the shot, but as I understand it the witnesses are divided as to whether it was Martin or Zimmerman who was screaming for help just before the shot was fired.

Rtft

My point is that you're only half right if you are asserting that all the witnesses agree that Martin was not on the ground screaming for help.

"I heard the crying. It was a little boy. As soon as the gun went off, the crying stopped".

This witness has also asserted that Sanford police have ignored her and that they have falsely accused her of making inconsistent statements. If she turns out to be credible, I think it is at least evidence that the Sanford police jumped to the conclusion that Zimmerman acted in legitimate self defense.


No really rtft. This is already addressed. Scroll up to where you see the google maps picture and read the post and you'll see why her testimony fits in with the narrarative of the other witnesses.
 
2012-03-23 08:45:00 AM

tirob: ChuDogg: tirob: One witness places Martin was on top of Zimmerman at some point before Zimmerman fired the shot, but as I understand it the witnesses are divided as to whether it was Martin or Zimmerman who was screaming for help just before the shot was fired.

Rtft

My point is that you're only half right if you are asserting that all the witnesses agree that Martin was not on the ground screaming for help.

"I heard the crying. It was a little boy. As soon as the gun went off, the crying stopped".

This witness has also asserted that Sanford police have ignored her and that they have falsely accused her of making inconsistent statements. If she turns out to be credible, I think it is at least evidence that the Sanford police jumped to the conclusion that Zimmerman acted in legitimate self defense.


Because you didn't RTFT.


Martin's father reviewed the tapes and denies it is his son's voice screaming: link (new window)

Look for a longass post by Chudogg with pictures and diagrams. It will answer literally all your questions for him.
 
2012-03-23 08:59:41 AM
Zimmerman should have just claimed that Martin called him a slut in the first place.
 
2012-03-23 09:21:55 AM

jabelar: rufus-t-firefly: Remember - he was a hooded, black 17 year old. He might as well have been an Orc.

/great, now I wanna go home and play Skyrim

I've been spending way too much time on Skyrim lately ... great game.


I've pretty much finished it as as assassin/thief (over 140 hours) and now I'm playing through again as a mage. Anything to escape the world we live in for a few hours.
 
2012-03-23 09:38:10 AM

ChuDogg: 1) The altercation between Zimmerman and Martin occurred as Zimmerman walked back towards his truck after the 911 call, not in pursuit of Martin fleeing.


Your first conclusion conflicts with what the police say Zimmerman told them.

Link (new window)

Zimmerman said he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck, police said. He said he feared for his life and fired the semiautomatic handgun he was licensed to carry because he feared for his life.

Your map shows the altercation occurred nowhere near a corner, which is where you normally see street signs. Did Zimmerman "step out" and walk across the block to check a street sign when there was some guy who was apparently armed walking around (remember his comments about Martin's hand in his waistband.

So, either Zimmerman lied to the cops, the cops are lying, or your analysis is still incomplete.
 
2012-03-23 09:42:50 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Your map shows the altercation occurred nowhere near a corner


More importantly, no where near Zimmerman's truck. The spot of the shooting is shown in the picture as the corner of an apartment, just down from a corner-like turn on the street.
 
2012-03-23 09:46:50 AM

redmid17: Look for a longass post by Chudogg with pictures and diagrams. It will answer literally all your questions for him.


And it ignores Zimmerman's statement to the police, concluding he was returning to his truck after following Martin, rather than checking a street sign. So, at the least, it would have him lying to the cops, which is something you probably shouldn't do after you've killed someone "in self-defense."
 
2012-03-23 09:49:43 AM
I think if the gunman was attacked by the teenager it actually makes it even worse that he shot the kid. Think about it, somehow the gunman who is chasing down this kid in a car, gets out of the car and is attacked. He is not attacked with any weapon. So now he knows the kid is unarmed. Somehow they separate, and the gunman pulls out a gun. Unless the kid is insane he is running or putting his hands up. So that tells me that the gunman didn't even give the kid a chance to run, he just pulled it out and shot.

The only scenario I can think up that would exonerate the gunman is if they were in a struggle and the gunman tried to pull out his gun and they both struggled for it and the kid was shot as they struggled for control of the gun. But this scenario would be easy to debunk by the police if not true, and I haven't heard this offered as a defense.
 
2012-03-23 09:50:09 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: sprawl15: Sock Ruh Tease: [newsinfo.nd.edu image 300x225]

What is the holey thing on the end of the cylinder of this Glock?

A silencer.

I hope it makes putting a magazine in easier.


How many bullets does the clip hold?
 
2012-03-23 09:52:12 AM

Aldon: I think if the gunman was attacked by the teenager it actually makes it even worse that he shot the kid. Think about it, somehow the gunman who is chasing down this kid in a car, gets out of the car and is attacked. He is not attacked with any weapon. So now he knows the kid is unarmed. Somehow they separate, and the gunman pulls out a gun. Unless the kid is insane he is running or putting his hands up. So that tells me that the gunman didn't even give the kid a chance to run, he just pulled it out and shot.

The only scenario I can think up that would exonerate the gunman is if they were in a struggle and the gunman tried to pull out his gun and they both struggled for it and the kid was shot as they struggled for control of the gun. But this scenario would be easy to debunk by the police if not true, and I haven't heard this offered as a defense.


Nice speculation. Where did Zimm keep his gun? Belt? Ankle? Shoulder holster?
 
2012-03-23 09:53:30 AM

marcosis666: [electric-k.com image 640x320]


electric-k.com

I think a good gift for the President would be a chocolate revolver Glock. And since he's so busy, you'd probably have to run up to him real quick and hand it to him.

-Jack Handy
 
2012-03-23 09:56:37 AM

ChuDogg: tirob: ChuDogg: tirob: One witness places Martin was on top of Zimmerman at some point before Zimmerman fired the shot, but as I understand it the witnesses are divided as to whether it was Martin or Zimmerman who was screaming for help just before the shot was fired.

Rtft

My point is that you're only half right if you are asserting that all the witnesses agree that Martin was not on the ground screaming for help.

"I heard the crying. It was a little boy. As soon as the gun went off, the crying stopped".

This witness has also asserted that Sanford police have ignored her and that they have falsely accused her of making inconsistent statements. If she turns out to be credible, I think it is at least evidence that the Sanford police jumped to the conclusion that Zimmerman acted in legitimate self defense.

No really rtft. This is already addressed. Scroll up to where you see the google maps picture and read the post and you'll see why her testimony fits in with the narrarative of the other witnesses.


Not according to her.

redmid17: tirob: Because you didn't RTFT.


Martin's father reviewed the tapes and denies it is his son's voice screaming: link (new window)

Look for a longass post by Chudogg with pictures and diagrams. It will answer literally all your questions for him.


Martin's father was not on the scene when the shooting occurred, and ChuDogg's post, however informative, does not trump the assertion of at least one witness that it was Martin who was screaming for help.
 
2012-03-23 09:56:50 AM

s2s2s2: Aldon: I think if the gunman was attacked by the teenager it actually makes it even worse that he shot the kid. Think about it, somehow the gunman who is chasing down this kid in a car, gets out of the car and is attacked. He is not attacked with any weapon. So now he knows the kid is unarmed. Somehow they separate, and the gunman pulls out a gun. Unless the kid is insane he is running or putting his hands up. So that tells me that the gunman didn't even give the kid a chance to run, he just pulled it out and shot.

The only scenario I can think up that would exonerate the gunman is if they were in a struggle and the gunman tried to pull out his gun and they both struggled for it and the kid was shot as they struggled for control of the gun. But this scenario would be easy to debunk by the police if not true, and I haven't heard this offered as a defense.

Nice speculation. Where did Zimm keep his gun? Belt? Ankle? Shoulder holster?


I can't think of why that would matter in the context of my imagined scenario. Enlighten me.
 
2012-03-23 09:59:04 AM

Aldon: s2s2s2: Aldon: I think if the gunman was attacked by the teenager it actually makes it even worse that he shot the kid. Think about it, somehow the gunman who is chasing down this kid in a car, gets out of the car and is attacked. He is not attacked with any weapon. So now he knows the kid is unarmed. Somehow they separate, and the gunman pulls out a gun. Unless the kid is insane he is running or putting his hands up. So that tells me that the gunman didn't even give the kid a chance to run, he just pulled it out and shot.

The only scenario I can think up that would exonerate the gunman is if they were in a struggle and the gunman tried to pull out his gun and they both struggled for it and the kid was shot as they struggled for control of the gun. But this scenario would be easy to debunk by the police if not true, and I haven't heard this offered as a defense.

Nice speculation. Where did Zimm keep his gun? Belt? Ankle? Shoulder holster?

I can't think of why that would matter in the context of my imagined scenario. Enlighten me.


Separation is not necessary for the shooting to have occurred.
 
2012-03-23 10:00:42 AM

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2012-03-23 10:04:39 AM

s2s2s2: Separation is not necessary for the shooting to have occurred.


Sure, I said they could have been struggling for the gun and that is the only scenario I can think of that would exonerate the gunman. I also think that could be easily dis-proven (if it is not the case) with forensic evidence. I also haven't heard that as a defense yet, but it could ultimately be the case and could have been what happened.
 
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