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2012-03-22 11:26:03 PM

beta_plus: Remember kids,
If you are not an officer of the law and pursue someone that you think may be committing a crime, if that person attacks you and pins you to the ground and begins beating you to death, you have given up your right to self defense. You must sit and not resist and patiently await death or the outside possibility of the police rescuing you.


LOL
 
2012-03-22 11:27:27 PM

9beers: redmid17: To be honest, if I'm Zimmerman and have a half decent defense attorney, I'm rejecting any deal that doesn't automatically offer me complete immunity

What's going to be funny is when Zimmerman gets charged, is acquitted and then sues the state for wrongful prosecution.


In what way could this possibly be "wrongful prosecution"? He was the man who shot the kid, and there were no witnesses. Even if he turns out innocent, it's miles away from "wrongful prodecution."
 
2012-03-22 11:27:38 PM
Looking at the map above, in between the buildings there are pedestrian pathways. So even if the kid was cutting between houses he was not necessarily even stepping onto the private property of any of the nearby homes. That's another knock against the assumptions of trespassing (and thus the whole strange attempt to justify following, confronting and killing someone for the alleged crime of trespassing on property that did not even belong to the killer).
 
2012-03-22 11:27:49 PM

Mrtraveler01: Depends on who started the fight.


I've admitted that there's no way to prove that so far, haven't I? You want to charge somebody with a crime without sufficient evidence, how the fark do you not understand that? As we've said many times, it's up to the state to prove it wasn't self defense.
 
2012-03-22 11:29:07 PM

LasersHurt: In what way could this possibly be "wrongful prosecution"? He was the man who shot the kid, and there were no witnesses. Even if he turns out innocent, it's miles away from "wrongful prodecution."


There was a witness and evidence to back up Zimmerman's claim of self defense, you farking know that by now.
 
2012-03-22 11:29:34 PM

9beers: Mrtraveler01: Depends on who started the fight.

I've admitted that there's no way to prove that so far, haven't I? You want to charge somebody with a crime without sufficient evidence, how the fark do you not understand that? As we've said many times, it's up to the state to prove it wasn't self defense.


Chrissake do you not know the difference between being "charged" and being "found guilty"?
 
2012-03-22 11:29:37 PM

Bartleby the Scrivener: There are two sources of evidence...Zimmerman, a wanna be jackboot who knows the lingo and what to say, and the call from martin to his girflriend saying he is scared and trying to get away. Im inclined by this juxtaposition that a disenfranchised, wannabe jargonist is the agressor and that martin was th victim.
The only ground zimmerman was staiding on was his failure to be a cop.



Isn't there also a 13-year-old witness? The cops say he told them Zimmerman was screaming. He says he told them Martin was screaming. Same cops who did no investigation and left the kid's body n the morgue, unidentified, for 3 days while they had his cell phone. Who to believe?
 
2012-03-22 11:29:47 PM

Gyrfalcon: What are you, some kind of communist?


I know right, silly me.

Okay really, I'm out this time.
Said it before but mean it this time.
I gotta go to work in the morn,,,well maybe another glass of Chard
Aw shiat you guys,,
 
2012-03-22 11:30:13 PM

9beers: LasersHurt: In what way could this possibly be "wrongful prosecution"? He was the man who shot the kid, and there were no witnesses. Even if he turns out innocent, it's miles away from "wrongful prodecution."

There was a witness and evidence to back up Zimmerman's claim of self defense, you farking know that by now.


So what, he has to be proven guilty before he can be charged? What the shiat?
 
2012-03-22 11:30:17 PM

9beers: There was a witness and evidence to back up Zimmerman's claim of self defense,


There was a witness that saw Martin start the fight?
 
2012-03-22 11:30:30 PM
Lets try a thought experiment.

Say zimmerman listens to 911 and stops pursuit and martin "gets away."

Fill in the blank of possible immediate outcomes.

Zimmerman going home and jerking off to cop rock has already been taken.
 
2012-03-22 11:31:03 PM
poop back and forth, forever
 
2012-03-22 11:31:53 PM

LasersHurt: Chrissake do you not know the difference between being "charged" and being "found guilty"?


You can't even charge a person with a crime without sufficient evidence. How do you not farking understand that by now?
 
2012-03-22 11:32:18 PM

9beers: My brain is full of fark.


or full of shiat. Ha just kiddin.
Aint this just a twister.

This is really the most intriguing legal debate on fark as of yet.
 
2012-03-22 11:32:40 PM

Dahnkster: poop back and forth,

best part????????????????????????? forever


FTFY
 
2012-03-22 11:32:43 PM

Mrtraveler01: 9beers: There was a witness and evidence to back up Zimmerman's claim of self defense,

There was a witness that saw Martin start the fight?


We don't and probably won't know who started the fight. We just know that someone saw Martin on top "beating" him. I don't think there's anyway you can prove either, which lets Zimmerman walk away.
 
2012-03-22 11:32:43 PM

9beers: jso2897: According to the guy who wrote it, it does not apply in this situation.

He should have written a more concise law.


Pffft.

redmid17: jso2897: redmid17: Bartleby the Scrivener: 9beers: Bartleby the Scrivener: Based on the facts as we know them, he can be charged with a crime.

What facts are there to charge Zimmerman? Remember, you need evidence that he broke a law.

Lets put it this way. Remember that young lady with the newborn who killed the guy who was trying to break into her house with a butcher knife. that is self defense, castle doctrone shiat. Broken doors, etc.
This is not the case. Theres a dead kid outside under questionable circumstances with a guy who confessed. Thats more than enough evidence to go to trial.

You sound concerned.p0o

The SYG law is much, much, much, much more lenient than a standard castle doctrine law.

According to the guy who wrote it, it does not apply in this situation.

He doesn't *want* it to, but that doesn't mean it won't hinder the prosecution. The Florida State Attorney has already gone on record saying it will make it really hard.

Link (new window)


He said that it's an impediment. He did not use the expression "really hard". Prosecutors fight and win difficult cases every day - and botch and lose easy ones. I'll leave it to the grand jury to determine whether to bring it to trial, and to the court to determine the facts if it does. I've seen people convicted on less, and exonerated on more. That's why you have a trial.
 
2012-03-22 11:34:08 PM

redmid17: Mrtraveler01: 9beers: There was a witness and evidence to back up Zimmerman's claim of self defense,

There was a witness that saw Martin start the fight?

We don't and probably won't know who started the fight. We just know that someone saw Martin on top "beating" him. I don't think there's anyway you can prove either, which lets Zimmerman walk away.


Yeah this will probably turn out like the Casey Anthony case when the suspect probably did it but since you couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, they walk away scott-free.
 
2012-03-22 11:35:49 PM

9beers: s2s2s2: 9beers: Everything you're saying is irrelevent to the case. What we need to charge Zimmerman with a crime is evidence. Do you have any?

We have the murder weapon.

My brain is full of fark.


Fark will never be full of your brain.

/ mine either.
 
2012-03-22 11:36:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: Yeah this will probably turn out like the Casey Anthony case when the suspect probably did it but since you couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, they walk away scott-free.


Casey Anthony is innocent.......

if she'll suck my dick
 
2012-03-22 11:36:19 PM

9beers: Bartleby the Scrivener: We have to believe that zimmerman felt he had reason to believe he was being Put in harm.

Would you feel that you were being put in harm if some dude was on top of you beating your face into the dirt?


Hypothetically, yes.

I can start a fight with someone and if that dude fights back, yes i would feel harm. Doesnt mean i didn't start the shiat. Furthermore, i can try to get the fark out of dodge, at which point the other dude becomes the agressor,

farking logic, how does it work?
 
2012-03-22 11:38:30 PM

Bartleby the Scrivener: I can start a fight with someone and if that dude fights back, yes i would feel harm. Doesnt mean i didn't start the shiat. Furthermore, i can try to get the fark out of dodge, at which point the other dude becomes the agressor,


Which is why people are calling for changes to the stand your ground laws.
 
2012-03-22 11:38:45 PM

ChuDogg: ongbok: And her statement supports the fact that Zimmerman was following Trayvon and Trayvon felt threatened by this, then Trayvon tried to run away from him to only get cornered by him. Plus there are no forensics from the scene because the police didn't bother to do any. They just tried to sweep this under the rug.

It's not just the police, the only witness who saw the altercation is apparently racist and trying to sweep this under the rug. Oh and a little black kid walking his dog too!

(this is starting to look like the kennedy assassination)


No it is the police that ignored the fact that Zimmerman was chasing him and attacked him and when he Trayvon defended himself he was killed. If Trayvon was fighting him it doesn't matter because he was defending himself against a person who was chasing him. I'm pretty sure rapist in Florida will love this. They can now chase a woman down, and when she is defending herself against them they can kill her and claim self defense because she fought back.
 
2012-03-22 11:39:56 PM

redmid17: which lets Zimmerman walk away.


Not quite,, 911 calls, cell phone discussions.
Not so cut and dry.
This may prove to be a legal quibble for many a month to come.
Might be a pretty inflammatory political debate and may even provoke a change to the Stand Your ground Law.
 
2012-03-22 11:40:48 PM
assets.huluim.com
 
2012-03-22 11:41:06 PM

9beers: LasersHurt: In what way could this possibly be "wrongful prosecution"? He was the man who shot the kid, and there were no witnesses. Even if he turns out innocent, it's miles away from "wrongful prodecution."

There was a witness and evidence to back up Zimmerman's claim of self defense, you farking know that by now.


Good - that witness, and all the others, can tell the grand jury what they know.
Then, after looking at all the evidence, including the circumstantial, they will decide whether there should be a trial. If the cops had just gathered all the evidence, taken all the testimony, done a proper interview (and tox screen) of the suspect, and handed it over to the prosecutor it really would have saved a lot of fuss. We had to go through all this crap just to get what should have been done to begin with done. When all is said and done, maybe Zimmerman's innocent. Fine. Let's just do it by the numbers.
 
2012-03-22 11:41:08 PM

smeegle: ChuDogg: Okay I think I figured this out, (and that I have no life).

Based on this video, Link (new window)

Especially the scene at 1:04 looking at the crime site and the position of the three buildings.

[i44.tinypic.com image 497x461]

Zimmerman states he started at the Clubhouse, but it's not clear where he is during the audio. This could be where the girlfriend mentioned he was taking shelter from the rain.

During the call at some point he freaks and keeps walking towards the complex, gets to about the curb and bolts around the complex. Zimmerman follows him, and says he's headed towards the back entrance (at this point, he thinks he is not from the neighborhood and looking for his way to escape.) He runs around the corner and doesn't find him, and you can tell he kind of loses his breath and gives up. He heads back.

From here it boils down to

Zimmerman: He's jumped on the way back to his car.

Girlfriend: He finds Martin and asks "What are you doing here?" altercation ensues.

Dude why is the altercate so far from the back entrance when Z says Martin is running that way?
Confused.


I kind of grappled with that too. But I think looks can be deceiving on the map, on the ground, it's really not that far. That's also why it was able to go from the club to that complex so quickly.

Take a look at this video at 15 seconds, this is what Zimmerman would have been staring down when he said he got away.

Also this video for comparison. Unfortunately it takes a right at the clubhouse so it doesn't go by the way that Zimmerman and Martin went down.

Zimmerman probably saw him bolt around back, and just assumed he was headed to the rear entrance to get away hoping the cops would head there and meet him there. He runs around the complex himself and sees that he's gone and does his "awww shucks they always get away".

Really, a high school football player could clear that distance in a matter of seconds. But in reality, he was hiding.

Look at the first video at 56 seconds or so. There is very few areas in the complex that can recreate that scene with 3 buildings near eachother in that way.

If we can conclude that Martin was hiding, he probably heard Zimmerman on the phone with the cops.
 
2012-03-22 11:41:59 PM

smeegle: Not quite,, 911 calls, cell phone discussions.


What evidence is there in the 911 calls? If you take the 16 year old girl at face value, what evidence is there in her testimony? Here's a hint, nothing.
 
2012-03-22 11:42:31 PM
Y'know, i'm just gonna go ahead and say kill him. Zimmerman was obviously high on drugs, since he managed to chase down a 17 year old black kid, and I can only assume that since he's latino, he committed some kind of crime. Pretty sure in that picture I looked at of him in one of the articles, he was eying my wallet.

And if we find out in time that Trayvon had ran up to him while he was innocently sitting in his vehicle in the middle of the night, and threw him out and onto the ground, and started mercilessly beating him to death, as Zimmerman would have us believe, well, we can claim it was self defense of humanity, since we don't want those types of people around.
 
2012-03-22 11:42:51 PM

ongbok: No it is the police that ignored the fact that Zimmerman was chasing him and attacked him and when he Trayvon defended himself he was killed. If Trayvon was fighting him it doesn't matter because he was defending himself against a person who was chasing him. I'm pretty sure rapist in Florida will love this. They can now chase a woman down, and when she is defending herself against them they can kill her and claim self defense because she fought back.


This is the most retarded post in this thread.
 
2012-03-22 11:43:08 PM

ongbok: I'm pretty sure rapist in Florida will love this. They can now chase a woman down, and when she is defending herself against them they can kill her and claim self defense because she fought back.


Interesting point. How shall I explain the severed balls on the ground?
No seriously, you raise a good point mon.
 
2012-03-22 11:44:41 PM

9beers: Here's a hint, nothing.


Hint:
Voice analysis of who actually cried out for help.
 
2012-03-22 11:44:50 PM

Mrtraveler01: redmid17: Mrtraveler01: 9beers: There was a witness and evidence to back up Zimmerman's claim of self defense,

There was a witness that saw Martin start the fight?

We don't and probably won't know who started the fight. We just know that someone saw Martin on top "beating" him. I don't think there's anyway you can prove either, which lets Zimmerman walk away.

Yeah this will probably turn out like the Casey Anthony case when the suspect probably did it but since you couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, they walk away scott-free.


Zimmerman will then be charged in federal court for violating Martin's civil rights & maybe murder (there's no double jeopardy) he will be convicted he'll also be sued in civil court where he'll lose. Zimmerman is going to prison with a life time of debt.
 
2012-03-22 11:46:10 PM
Also lets jot forget that zimmerman's paraniod-authoritarian fantasies result in him calling 911 about 50 times prior to the incident woth martin, includong one call to report a neighbors garage door open.

Now, in my neighborhood, we dont have a neighborhood watch, we have farking neighbors. One time...okay more than once, i lefft the windows on my car down. You know what the old guy next to me did? He knocked on my door and said, hey your windows are open. No police needed.

Zimmerman calling the cops for something as mundane as an open garage door is a contact fantasy with law enforcement. Part of hs overall paranoid makeup.
 
2012-03-22 11:47:36 PM

9beers: LasersHurt: Chrissake do you not know the difference between being "charged" and being "found guilty"?

You can't even charge a person with a crime without sufficient evidence. How do you not farking understand that by now?


There is sufficient evidence. He shot the kid and admitted to it. The kid was running away from him, he told the 911 dispatcher this. Where he shot the kid was not at the place where he called 911 from, but in a courtyard away from where his car was. That is evidence enough that he chased Trayvon down, which is against the law, and shot him when Trayvon defended himself. Not to mention Trayvon's girlfriend's statement that somebody was following him and had confronted him. That is enough to charge him with a crime. People have been charged with crimes for a lot less.

But as you have been alluding to, this is just some big conspiracy to lock somebody up for killing a black thug.
 
2012-03-22 11:48:39 PM

smeegle: Voice analysis of who actually cried out for help.


That's cool with me, lets see if the tape proves anything. Lets not forget though that we have an eyewitness that saw Martin pummeling Zimmerman while Zimmerman called for help. The other thing to remember is that even if at some point Martin calls for help, it doesn't mean that he's not the aggressor.
 
2012-03-22 11:49:01 PM

ChuDogg: ongbok: No it is the police that ignored the fact that Zimmerman was chasing him and attacked him and when he Trayvon defended himself he was killed. If Trayvon was fighting him it doesn't matter because he was defending himself against a person who was chasing him. I'm pretty sure rapist in Florida will love this. They can now chase a woman down, and when she is defending herself against them they can kill her and claim self defense because she fought back.

This is the most retarded post in this thread.


Son, that there post ain't too bright - but it's a long, LONG way from being the most retarded post in THIS thread. I wouldn't even put it in the top five.
 
2012-03-22 11:49:17 PM

ChuDogg: This is the most retarded post in this thread.


Not really. It follows the same logic as most of the people defending Zimmerman and the police.
 
2012-03-22 11:50:08 PM

borg: Zimmerman will then be charged in federal court for violating Martin's civil rights & maybe murder (there's no double jeopardy) he will be convicted he'll also be sued in civil court where he'll lose. Zimmerman is going to prison with a life time of debt.


People don't go to jail on civil charges you farking twit.
 
2012-03-22 11:50:32 PM

borg: Mrtraveler01: redmid17: Mrtraveler01: 9beers: There was a witness and evidence to back up Zimmerman's claim of self defense,

There was a witness that saw Martin start the fight?

We don't and probably won't know who started the fight. We just know that someone saw Martin on top "beating" him. I don't think there's anyway you can prove either, which lets Zimmerman walk away.

Yeah this will probably turn out like the Casey Anthony case when the suspect probably did it but since you couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, they walk away scott-free.

Zimmerman will then be charged in federal court for violating Martin's civil rights & maybe murder (there's no double jeopardy) he will be convicted he'll also be sued in civil court where he'll lose. Zimmerman is going to prison with a life time of debt.


If he gets away in state court, he's not going to be convicted in federal court. The Feds are concentrating on the Sandord PD anyway. They won't waste their time with Zimmerman.
 
2012-03-22 11:52:04 PM

9beers: Lets not forget though that we have an eyewitness that saw Martin pummeling Zimmerman while Zimmerman called for help.


Who? I've read a few reports on this case and every witness says the police either outright lied about their testimony, ignored it if it didn't go their way or tried to twist it to support their point of view.
 
2012-03-22 11:53:16 PM

whatshisname: Who? I've read a few reports on this case and every witness says the police either outright lied about their testimony, ignored it if it didn't go their way or tried to twist it to support their point of view.


I'd punch you in the farking face if you were here.
 
2012-03-22 11:53:42 PM
Oh great, another libcirclejerk thread.
 
2012-03-22 11:54:43 PM

9beers: I'd punch you in the farking face if you were here.


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-03-22 11:55:41 PM

9beers: whatshisname: Who? I've read a few reports on this case and every witness says the police either outright lied about their testimony, ignored it if it didn't go their way or tried to twist it to support their point of view.

I'd punch you in the farking face if you were here.


Before or after he chased you?

/who's wearing the hoodie?
 
2012-03-22 11:55:53 PM

ChuDogg: 9beers: I'd punch you in the farking face if you were here.

[weknowmemes.com image 640x495]


Come on dude, you know why I said what I did. Explain it to him.
 
2012-03-22 11:56:00 PM

9beers: People don't go to jail on civil charges you farking twit.


Seriously? borg referenced both a civil action and criminal charges.

You only notice one and have the audacity to call him a twit?

That takes balls. Giant, moronic balls.
 
2012-03-22 11:56:04 PM

9beers: Lets not forget though that we have an eyewitness that saw Martin pummeling Zimmerman while Zimmerman called for help.


Still doesn't prove that he initiated the fight. Regardless of how much you want it to under the guise of being an impartial observer.

Just admit you already have your preconceived notions about what happened like the rest of us and quit pretending that you're not.
 
2012-03-22 11:57:59 PM

ChuDogg: ongbok: No it is the police that ignored the fact that Zimmerman was chasing him and attacked him and when he Trayvon defended himself he was killed. If Trayvon was fighting him it doesn't matter because he was defending himself against a person who was chasing him. I'm pretty sure rapist in Florida will love this. They can now chase a woman down, and when she is defending herself against them they can kill her and claim self defense because she fought back.

This is the most retarded post in this thread.


Nope, it isn't. Why do you say so, this is almost the same situation, but nobody would ever buy this defense if it was a woman, but when it is a young black male then it is entirely possible.

And you are wrong, the most retarded post are the ones that you and 9Beers keep posting.
 
2012-03-22 11:58:08 PM

eraser8: Seriously? borg referenced both a civil action and criminal charges.


Criminal charges result in jail time, civil judgments do not. I would have thought everybody would know that after the OJ situation.
 
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