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2012-03-22 05:26:53 PM

Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Didn't he live in that neighborhood? Or was he just cutting through?

I've never been able to find a clear answer to that.

When I was growing up in New Orleans, a white guy got killed while walking through one of the housing projects. The first question on everybody's mind was, 'what the hell was that white guy doing walking around the projects?' And that was definitely a black-on-white hate crime -- but who cares? If he hadn't been there, he wouldn't be dead. I'm of the same opinion in this instance.

Unless he lived there. Treyvon lived in the complex he got shot dead at, so how can you be of the same opinion?

Treyvon shouldn't live in a gated community?


No, I don't think that's true. Why throw up a hoodie and suspiciously evade a neighbor then?
 
2012-03-22 05:27:14 PM

MJMaloney187:
When I was growing up in New Orleans, a white guy got killed while walking through one of the housing projects. The first question on everybody's mind was, 'what the hell was that white guy doing walking around the projects?' And that was definitely a black-on-white hate crime -- but who cares? If he hadn't been there, he wouldn't be dead. I'm of the same opinion in this instance.


The neighborhood has been reported as 50% white, 20% hispanic and 20% black. This isn't one of those situations where someone was obviously on the wrong side of town.
 
2012-03-22 05:27:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: jso2897: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Didn't he live in that neighborhood? Or was he just cutting through?

I've never been able to find a clear answer to that.

He was staying with relatives who live there.

But it was at that same complex?

Well if that was the case, then this boy was doing absolutely nothing wrong except walking while black.


Link (new window)

But about a minute later, Zimmerman left his car wearing a red sweatshirt and pursued Martin on foot between two rows of townhouses, about 70 yards from where the teen was going.


And, let's not forget what Zimmerman told police:

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"Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon," the city manager wrote in an open letter on the Sanford municipal website.

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Zimmerman said he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck, police said.

Hell, the city manager's statement doesn't even match up with what the police said. He was either on his way back to the truck, or was stepping out of it when he was attacked. Or neither.
 
2012-03-22 05:27:19 PM

sprawl15: Uh...no.



Uh....yes.

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If you purchased an SKS Sporter between January 1, 1992, and December 19, 1997, you must do one of the following by January 1, 2000:

* Destroy the rifle
* Surrender the rifle to a law enforcement agency
* Sell the rifle to a licensed California "assault weapon" dealer
* Dispose of the rifle out of state

If you choose to surrender the rifle to a law enforcement agency, you will be reimbursed by the Department of Justice. The amount of your reimbursement will be your actual cost if you provide a receipt, or $230.00 if you do not have a receipt. You will be required to attest to the date upon which you purchased the firearm. When surrendering the rifle,you need not relinquish any related accessories i.e. sling, cleaning equipment, case, magazine, scope, etc. If you choose this option, make prior arrangements with your local law enforcement agency and be sure the rifle is unloaded and transported as required by state law. If you decide to sell the rifle to an out-of-state dealer or to a licensed California "assault weapon" dealer, contact NRA's Grassroots Division at 1-800-392-8683 for applicable federal laws or names of licensed California "assault weapon" dealers.

A beneficial provision in the new law, which offers immunity to those who act on one the options listed above by the January 2000 deadline, has helped to prevent hundreds of law-abiding gun owners from being charged as felons. Another provision allows persons who have already been convicted for conduct relating to an SKS rifle purchased between January 1, 1992 and December 17, 1997, to withdraw their guilty plea or to reopen their case and assert the immunities provided by the law. If you purchased an SKS rifle during that time period, and have been wrongfully arrested, charged, or convicted please contact NRA's Sacramento office at (916) 446-2455.
 
2012-03-22 05:27:25 PM

CitizenTed: As a nihilist, I support the unchecked proliferation of handguns and the paranoid application of their use.


Say what you want about nihilism, at least it's an ethos.
 
2012-03-22 05:27:57 PM

Rent Party: So, do you suppose if you chased a random stranger on a public thoroughfare down, started a fight, and lost, that would justify you shooting them?

You shouldn't carry a gun, either, sport.


Don't be a dumb-ass. I was specifically addressing the contention that a "pummeling" is not a legal justification for using deadly force.

And in the case at hand, we have no proof that Zimmerman "started a fight".
 
2012-03-22 05:28:10 PM

MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.


Moron. It's been stated repeatedly that he was walking back from the store to where he and his dad were staying. Moron.
 
2012-03-22 05:28:12 PM

dahmers love zombie: Do not point a gun at anything you are not prepared to destroy.

Do not point a gun at anything or anyone that is not causing an immediate threat to you or those under your legal protection.

Do not put a gun in your hand for defensive purposes unless such a threat is occurring, or you have a reasonable belief that such a threat is about to occur.

The preceding situations do not in fact involve chasing someone down the street under ANY circumstances. If you're chasing them, by definition the threat is NOT coming towards you, you farking idiot.

/FL resident
//have a CCW permit and "some" guns
///have never pointed a gun at another human
////hope I never do


*terrorist fist bump* Well said. Also, THIS.

/also not a FL resident
 
2012-03-22 05:28:20 PM

Jackson Herring: Mrtraveler01: But compared to the NRA who thinks that things like background checks infringe on their rights, the Brady Campaign still sound like the sane ones by comparison.

The solution to one is not the other, that's for farking god damned sure.


No, they're both irrational and crazy. But I can't support the NRA when they have nuts like that in charge. The Brady Campaign too, they really need to work on their strategy and not sound like a bunch of kooks.
 
2012-03-22 05:28:59 PM

metaskie: You mean a sackless chickenshiat so scared of the world that they feel the need to carry a gun with them everywhere they go is going to perceive someone holding something as a threat? That's unpossible!

/anti gun
//against gun control laws
///it's just too late for them to make sense


I wish one of my loved ones had been carrying when someone fakes a car breakdown, and then knocked her into a ditch and raped her when she took out her cellphone to call some help for that bastard.

Certain groups have a very, very good reason to pack heat. If your an at risk group, and you live in a CFL state, it's stupid for you not to get one and a subcompact pistol for protection.
 
2012-03-22 05:30:09 PM

MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Didn't he live in that neighborhood? Or was he just cutting through?

I've never been able to find a clear answer to that.

When I was growing up in New Orleans, a white guy got killed while walking through one of the housing projects. The first question on everybody's mind was, 'what the hell was that white guy doing walking around the projects?' And that was definitely a black-on-white hate crime -- but who cares? If he hadn't been there, he wouldn't be dead. I'm of the same opinion in this instance.

Unless he lived there. Treyvon lived in the complex he got shot dead at, so how can you be of the same opinion?

Treyvon shouldn't live in a gated community?

No, I don't think that's true. Why throw up a hoodie and suspiciously evade a neighbor then?


Because it's raining, and I have no obligation at all to even speak to my neighbors, and they have absolutely no authority at all to track me down? I'll evade whoever the fark I want.
 
2012-03-22 05:31:08 PM
www.hlntv.com
Skittles: Because a fruit-flavored society is a polite society.
 
2012-03-22 05:32:02 PM

mloree: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Moron. It's been stated repeatedly that he was walking back from the store to where he and his dad were staying. Moron.


It's also been stated repeatedly that the shooter is white. "Zimmerman, 28, who is white, claimed self defense. He was never arrested and has been charged with no crime, sparking national outrage." He is not white. And I don't believe he was shot because he was black. He was shot for being aggressive and stupid.
 
2012-03-22 05:32:03 PM
blog.seattlepi.com
 
2012-03-22 05:32:05 PM

MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Didn't he live in that neighborhood? Or was he just cutting through?

I've never been able to find a clear answer to that.

When I was growing up in New Orleans, a white guy got killed while walking through one of the housing projects. The first question on everybody's mind was, 'what the hell was that white guy doing walking around the projects?' And that was definitely a black-on-white hate crime -- but who cares? If he hadn't been there, he wouldn't be dead. I'm of the same opinion in this instance.

Unless he lived there. Treyvon lived in the complex he got shot dead at, so how can you be of the same opinion?

Treyvon shouldn't live in a gated community?

No, I don't think that's true. Why throw up a hoodie and suspiciously evade a neighbor then?


It was raining (hence the hoodie) and running away from some creepy possum-eyed weirdo is completely understandable.
 
2012-03-22 05:32:17 PM

mloree: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Moron. It's been stated repeatedly that he was walking back from the store to where he and his dad were staying. Moron.


Calm yourself. You're being trolled. Seriously, "...he didn't belong there..." "...was asking for trouble..." you think these are sincere statements?
 
2012-03-22 05:32:20 PM

Mrtraveler01: Jackson Herring: Mrtraveler01: But compared to the NRA who thinks that things like background checks infringe on their rights, the Brady Campaign still sound like the sane ones by comparison.

The solution to one is not the other, that's for farking god damned sure.

No, they're both irrational and crazy. But I can't support the NRA when they have nuts like that in charge. The Brady Campaign too, they really need to work on their strategy and not sound like a bunch of kooks.



Question:

Is the NRA currently campaigning to eliminate background checks?
 
2012-03-22 05:32:24 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Rent Party: So, do you suppose if you chased a random stranger on a public thoroughfare down, started a fight, and lost, that would justify you shooting them?

You shouldn't carry a gun, either, sport.

Don't be a dumb-ass. I was specifically addressing the contention that a "pummeling" is not a legal justification for using deadly force.

And in the case at hand, we have no proof that Zimmerman "started a fight".


Sure we do. He called the cops and said "I'm following this kid." Kid was on the phone with his girlfriend and said "There's some dude following me."

Do you suppose the kid ran over and drug poor fatty out of his truck, or do you suppose poor fatty got out of his truck and confronted the thug?

Had fatty not been there, the kid would have been at home with his dad eating skittles and talking on the phone with his honey.

Zimmerman started this, and now he's too chickenshiat to own up to what he did.
 
2012-03-22 05:32:54 PM
Lets play a game:

Lets say the black kid is carry a gun, then he is chase by an unkown person, the unkown person, continues to chasehim till he corners the kid and there is a physically confrontation. The kid now has a reasonable fear for his safety and defends himself.

The other guy is shot and is killed...

Question:

Who would be in jail right know.

Moral:
The myth of the old west is just that, a myth. Most gunfights was settle by shotguns and by ambush. And when you chase after trouble, you usally find it.
 
2012-03-22 05:33:27 PM

MJMaloney187: No, I don't think that's true. Why throw up a hoodie and suspiciously evade a neighbor then?


Because it was raining. You keep asking questions for which answers have already been confirmed and no one disputes.
 
2012-03-22 05:33:58 PM

MJMaloney187: mloree: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Moron. It's been stated repeatedly that he was walking back from the store to where he and his dad were staying. Moron.

It's also been stated repeatedly that the shooter is white. "Zimmerman, 28, who is white, claimed self defense. He was never arrested and has been charged with no crime, sparking national outrage." He is not white. And I don't believe he was shot because he was black. He was shot for being aggressive and stupid.


What evidence of aggression do you have, moron?
 
2012-03-22 05:34:06 PM

Kit Fister: rufus-t-firefly: Kit Fister: Now, again, ignoring the Media's emotional caterwauling, we have mixed eyewitness testimony. We have muddy audio recordings, which may or may not have been played in their entirety for the general public, and we have the history of Zimmerman's reporting incidents and people to 911.

So, we wait for an investigation, GJ indictment, trial, and verdict.

Without the "media's emotional caterwauling," we wouldn't have the investigation, let alone the grand jury coming up.

Because the police did not have sufficient evidence to support a charge and ruled it self defense.


Are police district attorneys now, or is that just in Sanford, FL?

And they didn't have sufficient evidence...other than witnesses who were corrected (new window) at the scene, of course.

Another officer corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help.

The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.


Then there's this (one paragraph before the above quoted section):

But after the shooting, a source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective pepppered Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.

The first detective on the scene asked Zimmerman questions, rather than getting his account from him, and and another cop "corrected" a witness. And you think we should trust the judgment of the department, who went into such CYA mode that they initially refused to release the 911 tapes?
 
2012-03-22 05:34:16 PM

Primitive Screwhead: [blog.seattlepi.com image 472x317]



*Threadjack*

I can't wait for football season.

*End Threadjack*
 
2012-03-22 05:34:34 PM

MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Didn't he live in that neighborhood? Or was he just cutting through?

I've never been able to find a clear answer to that.

When I was growing up in New Orleans, a white guy got killed while walking through one of the housing projects. The first question on everybody's mind was, 'what the hell was that white guy doing walking around the projects?' And that was definitely a black-on-white hate crime -- but who cares? If he hadn't been there, he wouldn't be dead. I'm of the same opinion in this instance.

Unless he lived there. Treyvon lived in the complex he got shot dead at, so how can you be of the same opinion?

Treyvon shouldn't live in a gated community?

No, I don't think that's true. Why throw up a hoodie and suspiciously evade a neighbor then?


So, you think wearing a hoodie and running away from somebody who might very well be unbalanced are suspicious behavior?
 
2012-03-22 05:35:11 PM

mloree: MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Didn't he live in that neighborhood? Or was he just cutting through?

I've never been able to find a clear answer to that.

When I was growing up in New Orleans, a white guy got killed while walking through one of the housing projects. The first question on everybody's mind was, 'what the hell was that white guy doing walking around the projects?' And that was definitely a black-on-white hate crime -- but who cares? If he hadn't been there, he wouldn't be dead. I'm of the same opinion in this instance.

Unless he lived there. Treyvon lived in the complex he got shot dead at, so how can you be of the same opinion?

Treyvon shouldn't live in a gated community?

No, I don't think that's true. Why throw up a hoodie and suspiciously evade a neighbor then?

It was raining (hence the hoodie) and running away from some creepy possum-eyed weirdo is completely understandable.


Ok, fair enough about the hoodie ... but why was he shot? And why didn't the police take Zimmerman to jail?
 
2012-03-22 05:35:15 PM

Mrtraveler01: Kit Fister: Mrtraveler01: The_Sponge: Mrtraveler01: They have good intentions though.


Absolutely not.

I think they do, they're trying to stop people from getting shot.

The way they practice those intentions are the wrong way to handle it though.

No, they're pressing a form of bigotry, rather than promoting programs that reduce crime overall.

But compared to the NRA who thinks that things like background checks infringe on their rights, the Brady Campaign still sound like the sane ones by comparison.

But not by much.


By the strict letter of the law, since no provision is made in the constitution for such limitations, restrictions, or impediments, they have a point. We agree certain legal requirements should exist for guns. Great. By what standard do you set the level defining what is and is not permissable or "Reasonable"? You ask Mrs. Brady, then the "reasonable" restriction is preventing anyone other than the police from having guns. You ask someone who is a sports shooter or a gun enthusiast, then the "Reasonable" restriction is none at all.

If you want to take a long view of it, the NRA and the Brady Campaign both perform necessary activities in some ways: Both, by arguing extreme positions, balance each other out and provide for the exercise of the 2nd Amendment while also attempting to prevent violence perpetrated by criminals.

The problem is again, however, that NONE of the proposed laws and restrictions will be absolutely successful. Restrictions and laws only restrict the law-abiding. A felon can still get a gun, even if the law says he can't have one. A drunk can still drive a car even if he's had his license revoked. A rapist can still rape even if he's been sent to prison and put on a sexual offender's watch list. Arguably, rules and restrictions could make it harder, but harder is not the same as impossible. Even in Britain where guns and knives are banned, people still get murdered with illicit weapons.

What it comes down to is this: NOTHING is going to stop crime. Only by attacking the factors that tend to push people towards crime can we reduce it, and by making punishments truly punishing and so severe that they DO act as a deterrent to most folks, we further reduce it. What's left is the same thing that's been there since time immemorial: People will do bad things, and we cannot prevent that. Any belief to the contrary is delusional.

So, extreme as they may be, I'll welcome the NRA continuing to push against the radical anti-gun folks, and supporting efforts to enforce the laws we already have over responding to knee-jerk panic attacks.
 
2012-03-22 05:36:06 PM
More idiots with guns! What could possibly go wrong...
 
2012-03-22 05:36:13 PM

Rent Party: Fish in a Barrel: Rent Party: So, do you suppose if you chased a random stranger on a public thoroughfare down, started a fight, and lost, that would justify you shooting them?

You shouldn't carry a gun, either, sport.

Don't be a dumb-ass. I was specifically addressing the contention that a "pummeling" is not a legal justification for using deadly force.

And in the case at hand, we have no proof that Zimmerman "started a fight".

Sure we do. He called the cops and said "I'm following this kid." Kid was on the phone with his girlfriend and said "There's some dude following me."

Do you suppose the kid ran over and drug poor fatty out of his truck, or do you suppose poor fatty got out of his truck and confronted the thug?

Had fatty not been there, the kid would have been at home with his dad eating skittles and talking on the phone with his honey.

Zimmerman started this, and now he's too chickenshiat to own up to what he did.


That's all conjecture. You've convicted the guy based on your assumptions, Nancy Grace.
 
2012-03-22 05:36:17 PM

mloree: MJMaloney187: mloree: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Moron. It's been stated repeatedly that he was walking back from the store to where he and his dad were staying. Moron.

It's also been stated repeatedly that the shooter is white. "Zimmerman, 28, who is white, claimed self defense. He was never arrested and has been charged with no crime, sparking national outrage." He is not white. And I don't believe he was shot because he was black. He was shot for being aggressive and stupid.

What evidence of aggression do you have, moron?


He was shot and killed.
 
2012-03-22 05:36:38 PM

metaskie: You mean a sackless chickenshiat so scared of the world that they feel the need to carry a gun with them everywhere they go is going to perceive someone holding something as a threat? That's unpossible!

/anti gun
//against gun control laws
///it's just too late for them to make sense


I'll send you on a run to the seediest biker bar in detroit and ask you how comfortable you are, ITG.
 
2012-03-22 05:37:57 PM
Yep, it's a Glock
i51.tinypic.com
 
2012-03-22 05:37:57 PM

MJMaloney187: mloree: MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Mrtraveler01: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Didn't he live in that neighborhood? Or was he just cutting through?

I've never been able to find a clear answer to that.

When I was growing up in New Orleans, a white guy got killed while walking through one of the housing projects. The first question on everybody's mind was, 'what the hell was that white guy doing walking around the projects?' And that was definitely a black-on-white hate crime -- but who cares? If he hadn't been there, he wouldn't be dead. I'm of the same opinion in this instance.

Unless he lived there. Treyvon lived in the complex he got shot dead at, so how can you be of the same opinion?

Treyvon shouldn't live in a gated community?

No, I don't think that's true. Why throw up a hoodie and suspiciously evade a neighbor then?

It was raining (hence the hoodie) and running away from some creepy possum-eyed weirdo is completely understandable.

Ok, fair enough about the hoodie ... but why was he shot? And why didn't the police take Zimmerman to jail?


The answer to both questions is: the kid was black and Doughboy McMurder is a wannabe cop.
 
2012-03-22 05:38:00 PM
Forget all this hoodie crap.

The real suspicious behavior is wearing a North Face jacket when it is over 75 degrees.

/See guys like that in my neighborhood on occasion.
//Seriously....WTF?!
 
2012-03-22 05:38:11 PM

MJMaloney187: Ok, fair enough about the hoodie ... but why was he shot? And why didn't the police take Zimmerman to jail?


He was shot because Zimmerman was a farktard. The police didn't take him to jail because they were equally farktarded.

Next question.
 
2012-03-22 05:38:25 PM

MJMaloney187: but why was he shot? And why didn't the police take Zimmerman to jail?


Those questions are precisely what all of this is about.
 
2012-03-22 05:39:12 PM

MJMaloney187: mloree: MJMaloney187: mloree: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Moron. It's been stated repeatedly that he was walking back from the store to where he and his dad were staying. Moron.

It's also been stated repeatedly that the shooter is white. "Zimmerman, 28, who is white, claimed self defense. He was never arrested and has been charged with no crime, sparking national outrage." He is not white. And I don't believe he was shot because he was black. He was shot for being aggressive and stupid.

What evidence of aggression do you have, moron?

He was shot and killed.


By that logic Ghandi was agressive.
 
2012-03-22 05:39:19 PM

The_Sponge: Primitive Screwhead: [blog.seattlepi.com image 472x317]


*Threadjack*

I can't wait for football season.

*End Threadjack*


Me too, sir.
Me too.
 
2012-03-22 05:39:30 PM

HeartBurnKid: So, you think wearing a hoodie and running away from somebody who might very well be unbalanced are suspicious behavior?


No, I think his suspicions are much darker than that.
 
2012-03-22 05:39:43 PM

Antimatter: metaskie: You mean a sackless chickenshiat so scared of the world that they feel the need to carry a gun with them everywhere they go is going to perceive someone holding something as a threat? That's unpossible!

/anti gun
//against gun control laws
///it's just too late for them to make sense

I wish one of my loved ones had been carrying when someone fakes a car breakdown, and then knocked her into a ditch and raped her when she took out her cellphone to call some help for that bastard.

Certain groups have a very, very good reason to pack heat. If your an at risk group, and you live in a CFL state, it's stupid for you not to get one and a subcompact pistol for protection.


Those who are fervently anti-gun are rarely the ones most expose to life.
 
2012-03-22 05:39:52 PM

Sticky Hands: Corvus: Corvus: WTF Indeed: Wait? Are you telling me that personal responsibility becomes vastly more important in states with conceal/carry laws? Cause the NRA says it's like the old West that if everyone had guns there would be peace, and I know this is a fact because there was never any gun violence in any western I ever saw.

/For conceal/Carry laws
//Thinks the NRA is screwing up it up for everyone.

Here is my personal thanks to you for being one of the few pro-gun anti-gun nut.

I mean to say Pro-guns but Anti-gunNut not saying you are a nut but you are against gun-nuts.

Do corn-nuts factor into all that? I really could go for some of those right now.


Sticky Hands has a hankerin for corn nuts. I'm shocked.

/have to go stir the sauce
 
2012-03-22 05:39:58 PM

MJMaloney187: mloree: MJMaloney187: mloree: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Moron. It's been stated repeatedly that he was walking back from the store to where he and his dad were staying. Moron.

It's also been stated repeatedly that the shooter is white. "Zimmerman, 28, who is white, claimed self defense. He was never arrested and has been charged with no crime, sparking national outrage." He is not white. And I don't believe he was shot because he was black. He was shot for being aggressive and stupid.

What evidence of aggression do you have, moron?

He was shot and killed.


Being shot is automatic evidence of aggression by the victim?
 
2012-03-22 05:40:29 PM

MJMaloney187: It's also been stated repeatedly that the shooter is white. "Zimmerman, 28, who is white, claimed self defense. He was never arrested and has been charged with no crime, sparking national outrage." He is not white. And I don't believe he was shot because he was black. He was shot for being aggressive and stupid.


Hispanic is a subset of white. I love how people keep saying "He's not white - he's Hispanic," as if that magically fixes the situation.

And Treyvon wasn't "aggressive" - according to Zimmerman's tape, he farking ran away. Zimmerman then went after him, against the advice of the police dispatcher, and initiated a confrontation. ZIMMERMAN was the aggressor, since he, you know, aggressively pursued and confronted him.

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"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run."

Eventually he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.

"Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone."


The line went dead. Besides screams heard on 911 calls that night as Martin and Zimmerman scuffled, those were the last words he said.

Trayvon's phone logs, also obtained exclusively by ABC News, show the conversation occurred five minutes before police first arrived on scene. The young woman's parents asked that her name not be used, and that only an attorney could ask her questions.
 
2012-03-22 05:40:33 PM
Thank god every gun owner is made responsible by a society that takes gun safety seriously and in no way has an unhealthy fetish for firearms!
 
2012-03-22 05:40:33 PM
After a quick scan, the article sounds like a rehash of the "tyranny of the tool". The short version of which is, "If you give a young boy a hammer, everything else looks like a nail."
 
2012-03-22 05:40:42 PM

The_Sponge: Forget all this hoodie crap.

The real suspicious behavior is wearing a North Face jacket when it is over 75 degrees.

/See guys like that in my neighborhood on occasion.
//Seriously....WTF?!


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2012-03-22 05:40:44 PM

MJMaloney187: mloree: MJMaloney187: mloree: MJMaloney187: Has anyone asked, 'Why was Martin walking through that neighborhood anyway?' Because if he didn't belong there, and he hadn't been there, he wouldn't have been killed. Seems to me that the Martin kid was asking for trouble.

Moron. It's been stated repeatedly that he was walking back from the store to where he and his dad were staying. Moron.

It's also been stated repeatedly that the shooter is white. "Zimmerman, 28, who is white, claimed self defense. He was never arrested and has been charged with no crime, sparking national outrage." He is not white. And I don't believe he was shot because he was black. He was shot for being aggressive and stupid.

What evidence of aggression do you have, moron?

He was shot and killed.


So being shot and killed is your evidence of aggression?

/I guess all murder victims since the invention of the gun have been aggressive. Including these 4 recent ones: Link (new window)
 
2012-03-22 05:40:49 PM

HAMMERTOE: Philip Francis Queeg: Is it any different if it's a 15 y/o white guy? Is that less threatening to you?

No. Actually it's not. And witness have already stated that Treyvon was on top of Zimmerman, pummeling him. The real question: why did it not matter to Treyvon that Zimmerman had a gun?


Is your contention that Trayvon fought against an armed man so he must be guilty of something? If so you're a farking idiot. Under that stupid law this kid has every right to defend himself when some self appointed piece of shiat approcahes him with a gun. I don't care if he was pummeling him at some point, under the awesome Stand Your Ground Law, this kid had every right to kill him once Zimmerman approached him with a gun.
 
2012-03-22 05:40:50 PM

MJMaloney187: What evidence of aggression do you have, moron?

He was shot and killed.



fark, MLK Jr., Kennedy, and every murder victim ever must be the most agressive motherfarkers on the planet.
 
2012-03-22 05:41:20 PM

Kit Fister: Philip Francis Queeg:

Too bad Trayvon Martin didn't get that presumption of innocence from George Zimmerman before he hunted him down and shot him dead.

Being a bit melodramatic aren't we?

The LAW states that all suspects are presumed innocent until proven guilty (in theory). Cops, however, Presume guilt even if they don't have the evidence to back it up. People with conditioning and general bigotry presume guilt even if the guy is perfectly innocent.

That being said, we don't KNOW the situation. We know Zimmerman walked after the kid. Was he actively pursuing, or was he simply trailing the kid to watch what he was doing? Was he confrontational and making his presence known, or was he back and not confronting?

I wasn't there. I don't know. We have indirect evidence, and no access to any evidence the police and DA might have that either exonerates or convicts Zimmerman. Ignoring the emotional froth from the family and the media, we really don't KNOW jack shiat, so until there is a trial, which I'm sure we'll be fed and watch with rapt attention, we know the following:

- Zimmerman trailed Treyvon, against advice of 911 personnel.
- Somewhere along the way, an altercation occurs, involving an escalation of force leading to the death of Treyvon.

Now, again, ignoring the Media's emotional caterwauling, we have mixed eyewitness testimony. We have muddy audio recordings, which may or may not have been played in their entirety for the general public, and we have the history of Zimmerman's reporting incidents and people to 911.

So, we wait for an investigation, GJ indictment, trial, and verdict.

Further emotional wailing from the public about this is fruitless since we weren't there and haven't enough evidence to draw a conclusion


No, no melodrama, the 911 tapes make that clear. He didn't presume that Trayvon Martin was innocent. He assumed that he was up to go good and sought a confrontation as a result. He presumed guilt and acted as judge, jury and executioner.

Your concern for George Zimmerman's presumption of innocence is laudable. Tragically George Zimmerman made no such presumption himself.
 
2012-03-22 05:41:21 PM

The_Sponge: Mrtraveler01: Jackson Herring: Mrtraveler01: But compared to the NRA who thinks that things like background checks infringe on their rights, the Brady Campaign still sound like the sane ones by comparison.

The solution to one is not the other, that's for farking god damned sure.

No, they're both irrational and crazy. But I can't support the NRA when they have nuts like that in charge. The Brady Campaign too, they really need to work on their strategy and not sound like a bunch of kooks.


Question:

Is the NRA currently campaigning to eliminate background checks?


None of the groups involved in defense of the 2A, including the NRA, are actively working on trying to eliminate background checks.
 
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