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(The Atlantic)   Why is The Daily Show more effective than The Mainstream Media at reporting news like defunding UNESCO? Stewart recognizes governmental madness and absurdity, while MSM takes it as axiomatic in their "objective" reporting   (theatlantic.com) divider line 135
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2012-03-22 12:59:05 PM
Obvious tag must have taken an early lunch.
 
2012-03-22 12:59:26 PM
Because Stewart can show a video, look into the camera, and say "What the FARK?!?"

Brian Williams cannot.
 
2012-03-22 01:00:56 PM
It's fascinating to me that people prefer balance over accuracy and rationalization.
 
2012-03-22 01:01:09 PM
Obama to seek waiver on UNESCO funding ban
"The Department of State intends to work with Congress to seek legislation that would provide authority to waive restrictions on paying the US assessed contributions to UNESCO," said a footnote in the budget that the White House submitted to Congress this month.

Ambassador Rice Justifies Budget Requests for U.N., UNESCO
Ambassador Susan Rice, head of the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, defends the State Department's FY 2013 Budget Request for foreign operations. She is expected to take questions on programs related to Syria, North Korea, Iran, Palestinians and UNESCO during her testimony at a House Appropriations Subcmte. hearing.

No laughing matter: The cutting of UNESCO funding
The Daily Show rightly made the members of Congress out to be curmudgeons, hacks, and misanthropes who would rather score political points against the Palestinians than protect innocents being assisted by UNESCO (Click here to watch the video). The program's only shortcoming was its failure to assign blame to AIPAC for repeatedly pushing misguided policies toward the region.

The theory behind this ill-considered measure is that any recognition of Palestine as having an independent government and statehood aspirations should be discouraged in order that Palestinians and Israel may settle their nearly 64-year dispute via direct negotiations and with no outside assistance from the international community to balance the playing field between the state of Israel and the dispossessed Palestinian people. To some this may sound rational except that Israel holds all of the cards, even following the 1993 Oslo Accords that were supposed to lay the foundation for the establishment of an independent, legitimate Palestinian state living at peace with Israel.

It remains completely unclear to any independent observer how Palestine entering into UNESCO would influence negotiations that are not taking place. What it does do is to display to all who wish to see that the Palestinians are viewed by most of the world as a legitimate nation of people who have the right to fully operate at the international level.

Ackerman, Ros-Lehtinen To Fight UNESCO Funding
Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-Queens-Nassau) is promising to fight President Barack Obama's request to seek a Congressional waiver to restore funding to the United Nations Educational, Science and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), which lost its $70 million American contribution after it recognized a Palestinian state in October.

Ros-Lehtinen: No help for UNESCO
If the State Department has designs on reversing Monday's decision to stop funding the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, officials there should forget about it, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) said Tuesday.

After UNESCO voted to induct the Palestinian Authority as a member in Paris early Monday, the State Department announced it would comply with an existing law requiring the U.S. to pull funding for international organizations that allow entry to the Palestinians.

That includes the World Intellectual Property Organization, for which membership is automatic upon entry into UNESCO and which is important to American tech and entertainment companies because it polices disputes over the rights to movies, music and software.

Despite the announcement, the State Department and the White House are strong supporters of UNESCO's mission, and State spokeswoman Victoria Nuland suggested that the administration might work with Congress to rewrite the law.
 
2012-03-22 01:01:58 PM
No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.
 
2012-03-22 01:02:24 PM
Much like the difference between Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh, a comparison I'd heard during Rush's contraversy--is the recognition of trying to be funny, not being serious, when reporting news or opinion.

Rush is dishonest, MSNBC is dishonest, Fox News is catastrophically dishonest. When making people laugh AT our absurdity, or AT our stupidity, we expose more honesty in who we are than when we are forcibly trying to change minds through lying, obviously.
 
2012-03-22 01:03:42 PM
The reason TDS is better at almost everything when compared to the MSM is simple: when TDS sees bullsh*t, they actually stand up and shout, "BULLSH*T."
 
2012-03-22 01:03:51 PM
Because Stewart et all aren't worried about anything other than presenting information in a way that is amusing, so they end up presenting the raw information better than people trying to dance around being 'objective'.
 
2012-03-22 01:04:24 PM
That is a pretty farking stupid reason to de-fund them.
 
2012-03-22 01:05:13 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.


LOLWUT?
 
2012-03-22 01:05:52 PM
It's because the only people allowed to criticize Israel are Jews. This decision relates to Israel, thus anyone reporting on it is anti-Semitic. Stewart can get away with it because self-loathing is the only thing Jews love more than taking down anyone who speaks out against them doing unto others what was done unto them.
 
2012-03-22 01:06:40 PM
liam76: That is a pretty farking stupid reason to de-fund them.

But we're the good guys. You have to remember that. We're always the good guys. Because we just are.
 
2012-03-22 01:07:07 PM
TimonC346: Much like the difference between Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh, a comparison I'd heard during Rush's contraversy--is the recognition of trying to be funny, not being serious, when reporting news or opinion.

Rush is dishonest, MSNBC is dishonest, Fox News is catastrophically dishonest. When making people laugh AT our absurdity, or AT our stupidity, we expose more honesty in who we are than when we are forcibly trying to change minds through lying, obviously.


Jon Stewart can afford to be honest because he doesn't have to make any efforts to appear politically neutral, and doesn't care if he is.
 
2012-03-22 01:07:21 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.


You don't even try anymore, do you?
 
2012-03-22 01:08:01 PM
Because the nation of Palestine is not a nation that Israel wants to exist or to participate on a global scale in any human affairs.

/paging Tats
//farking Gabone.
 
2012-03-22 01:08:35 PM
The word you're looking for is "balance", submitter. "Objectivity" is often a good thing. "Balance" is farking stupid. It leads to news outlets presenting both sides equally no matter what the actual facts say. Journalists should pursue the truth, no matter who looks good or bad as a result.

tenpoundsofcheese
No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.


Do you try to be a complete dumb fark? It's the only explanation.
 
2012-03-22 01:08:36 PM
Because nothing fits into the master plan of the nwo like feeding people an "alternate viewpoint" that they can feel smug about viewing, while continuing to spend all of their money on the newest ipad and rims.
 
2012-03-22 01:08:44 PM
Gosling: liam76: That is a pretty farking stupid reason to de-fund them.

But we're the good guys. You have to remember that. We're always the good guys. Because we just are.


It's just that simple.
 
2012-03-22 01:09:12 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.


wait, switch that, he is paid well because he says what he says not to do as he's told.
you of all people should know this, i mean how much are you paid to thread shiat?
there's not much money in it for you is there.
 
2012-03-22 01:09:35 PM
Because so much of The Daily Show's comedy is basically a montage of clips and some variation of "isn't this ridiculous?"
 
2012-03-22 01:09:54 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.


What the hell does any of this even mean?
 
2012-03-22 01:10:29 PM
patrick767: Do you try to be a complete dumb fark?

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2012-03-22 01:10:32 PM
sprawl15: It's fascinating to me that people prefer balance over accuracy and rationalization.

It's not the media's fault reality has a liberal bias.
 
2012-03-22 01:10:49 PM
Really, we're cutting funding for UNESCO?

I think it's a toss-up between the ITU, UNESCO, and the UPU for "least offensive UN organization". We really have a problem with them?

*sighs*
 
2012-03-22 01:11:01 PM
RevLovejoy: Brian Williams cannot.

No, but Brian Williams can do some investigative reporting and ask some hard questions to power.
The MSM isn't bad. (except FauxNews), but they are incredibly lazy now. Softball questions and no fact checking at all.

TDS is better, because it takes work to create comedy.
 
2012-03-22 01:11:04 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.


Shut up, coont.
 
2012-03-22 01:13:14 PM
What about funding for UNATCO?
 
2012-03-22 01:13:34 PM
Copper Spork: It's because the only people allowed to criticize Israel are Jews. This decision relates to Israel, thus anyone reporting on it is anti-Semitic. Stewart can get away with it because self-loathing is the only thing Jews love more than taking down anyone who speaks out against them doing unto others what was done unto them.

I think that's part of it, perhaps even a large part of it, but the biggest issue is that the media just mindlessly regurgitates justifications given to them by the government. Here, the government said "we are defunding UNESCO because they recognized Palestine." The media repeated this. The Daily Show said "wait a minute! What about all those people UNESCO is helping?" Until TDS did this, that wasn't even a topic of consideration.

To my knowledge, no one in the MSM questions motives or looks at broader effects of government policy. They just accept explanations given and pass them on without further comment.

To your point, though, this is especially true when it comes to Israel/Palestine.
 
2012-03-22 01:13:52 PM
Copper Spork: It's because the only people allowed to criticize Israel are Jews. This decision relates to Israel, thus anyone reporting on it is anti-Semitic. Stewart can get away with it because self-loathing is the only thing Jews love more than taking down anyone who speaks out against them doing unto others what was done unto them.

But Jon Stewart did not criticize Israel in this one. Everybody knows that Israel is the one that deeply cares about not letting Palestine be a legitimate state, and if Israel did not exist then the US would not give a hang at all at formally recognizing Palestine as a real entity.

I notice that John Olliver didn't go over to Israel and asked them if it would be okay for UNESCO to get funding.
 
2012-03-22 01:13:54 PM
heypete: Really, we're cutting funding for UNESCO?

I think it's a toss-up between the ITU, UNESCO, and the UPU for "least offensive UN organization". We really have a problem with them?

*sighs*


you should run for congress
 
2012-03-22 01:15:43 PM
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen is actually not bad policy-wise... on everything outside the sphere of foreign policy.
 
2012-03-22 01:16:32 PM
Now I'm going to spend the rest of the day trying to fit axiomatic into conversations.
 
2012-03-22 01:17:02 PM
The u.s. didn't suddenly choose to do this. The members of unesco chose a path they knew would require us to withdraw. Funding due to a longstanding law. Besides, America is deep in the red as it is. Perhaps we should reconsider some of the handouts we give to the rest of the world a
Nd decide which benefit and which do not. These kids are getting books through other sources. If we still want to earmark that money for humanitarian purposes, can use it to provide food to starving children in Africa. Why give a fark about a book if you havent eaten in three days?
 
2012-03-22 01:18:30 PM
sanriosucks
Because nothing fits into the master plan of the nwo like feeding people an "alternate viewpoint" that they can feel smug about viewing, while continuing to spend all of their money on the newest ipad and rims.

img560.imageshack.us
 
2012-03-22 01:18:44 PM
i.imgur.com

And about this guy..

U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler is leaving Congress to lead think tank
U.S. House of Representatives member Robert Wexler of Boca Raton, a self-described "fire-breathing liberal," defender of Israel and friend of both President Barack Obama and Gov. Charlie Crist, is quitting Congress to head a think tank seeking peace in the Middle East.

Wikileaks Cable
SUBJECT: REP. WEXLER DISCUSSES IRAN WITH IDF INTELLIGENCE
CHIEF YADLIN
Classified By: DCM Luis G, Moreno, Reason 1.4 (b) (d)
....Rep. Wexler went on to discuss that there is a third good option in that the President may have better leverage with the American public to support action if engagement efforts are attempted and failed. Rep Wexler recommended that the Israeli people need to consider the US perspective and public opinion.
 
2012-03-22 01:19:28 PM
Pumpernickel bread: The u.s. didn't suddenly choose to do this. The members of unesco chose a path they knew would require us to withdraw. Funding due to a longstanding law. Besides, America is deep in the red as it is. Perhaps we should reconsider some of the handouts we give to the rest of the world a
Nd decide which benefit and which do not. These kids are getting books through other sources. If we still want to earmark that money for humanitarian purposes, can use it to provide food to starving children in Africa. Why give a fark about a book if you havent eaten in three days?


i.qkme.me
 
2012-03-22 01:19:47 PM
Lost Thought 00: What about funding for UNATCO?

And why doesn't this machine give me my orange soda!
 
2012-03-22 01:20:26 PM
Conservatives frothing up support for xenophobic policy decisions?

Say it ain't so!

/spending billions to kill brown people is ok, millions to help them is socialist
 
2012-03-22 01:22:21 PM
So Israel doesn't have a problem funding UNESCO (at least the parts they like) even though they recognized Palestine, but thew United States does? In fact, we have such a big problem with it that we have a farking LAW against it? Really?

facepalm doesn't even begin to describe this
 
2012-03-22 01:23:20 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.


i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-22 01:24:06 PM
cgraves67: Now I'm going to spend the rest of the day trying to fit axiomatic into conversations.

I know. it just popped up on my GRE study guide. It's like it is stalking me.
 
2012-03-22 01:24:40 PM
Media: Oh what lovely new threads you have, Emperor.
Stewart: Hey dumbass, you're naked. That guy conned you.
 
2012-03-22 01:24:51 PM
The_Time_Master: Because the nation of Palestine is not a nation that Israel wants to exist or to participate on a global scale in any human affairs.

/paging Tats
//farking Gabone.


Pretty much.
It's apparent to me that the law was put in place to make Palestine's standing more desperate at the negotiating table. Greedy over-entitled bastards, asking people to stop blowing them up. Who do they think they are?
 
2012-03-22 01:24:54 PM
illegal.tender: Copper Spork: It's because the only people allowed to criticize Israel are Jews. This decision relates to Israel, thus anyone reporting on it is anti-Semitic. Stewart can get away with it because self-loathing is the only thing Jews love more than taking down anyone who speaks out against them doing unto others what was done unto them.

I think that's part of it, perhaps even a large part of it, but the biggest issue is that the media just mindlessly regurgitates justifications given to them by the government. Here, the government said "we are defunding UNESCO because they recognized Palestine." The media repeated this. The Daily Show said "wait a minute! What about all those people UNESCO is helping?" Until TDS did this, that wasn't even a topic of consideration.

To my knowledge, no one in the MSM questions motives or looks at broader effects of government policy. They just accept explanations given and pass them on without further comment.

To your point, though, this is especially true when it comes to Israel/Palestine.


To be fair it isn;t like UNESCO recognized Palestine and we then put through this legislation.

It was on the books, UNESCO knew it was on the books and made the decision that recognizing Palestine was more important than US funding.

Lando Lincoln: But Jon Stewart did not criticize Israel in this one. Everybody knows that Israel is the one that deeply cares about not letting Palestine be a legitimate state, and if Israel did not exist then the US would not give a hang at all at formally recognizing Palestine as a real entity.

If Israel didn't exist they would be jordanian.
 
2012-03-22 01:26:40 PM
This thread has acquired a foul smell to it, almost as if someone had left a rotten bit of cheese laying about.
 
2012-03-22 01:26:40 PM
Meethos: tenpoundsofcheese: No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.

What the hell does any of this even mean?


he spun so hard he went full circle
 
2012-03-22 01:27:04 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: No, the reason is the Stewart has been bought off.
$15M a year, he does what he is told to do.


longtermtourists.com
 
2012-03-22 01:28:43 PM
Pumpernickel bread: The u.s. didn't suddenly choose to do this. The members of unesco chose a path they knew would require us to withdraw. Funding due to a longstanding law. Besides, America is deep in the red as it is. Perhaps we should reconsider some of the handouts we give to the rest of the world a
Nd decide which benefit and which do not. These kids are getting books through other sources. If we still want to earmark that money for humanitarian purposes, can use it to provide food to starving children in Africa. Why give a fark about a book if you havent eaten in three days?


What if it a book on living off the land?
 
2012-03-22 01:29:20 PM
Because the mainstream media is mostly owned and ran by pro Zionists and the rank and file are afraid to offend them lest they end up like

static01.mediaite.com
 
2012-03-22 01:33:29 PM
illegal.tender: To my knowledge, no one in the MSM questions motives or looks at broader effects of government policy. They just accept explanations given and pass them on without further comment.

That's because not only is investigative journalism dead, the majority of journalists don't even attempt to process the information they are given; they just act as parrots who can type.
 
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