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2012-03-22 10:21:10 AM  
What's that smell? Smells like a lawsuit.

/or a rat
//they kind of smell the same
 
2012-03-22 10:41:22 AM  
Warren Sapp: class act.
 
2012-03-22 11:17:33 AM  
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2012-03-22 11:25:35 AM  
Then Jeremy Shockey is the only honest man on that team.
 
2012-03-22 11:26:09 AM  
Good. There's no place for this kind of crap in professional sports. Payton's suspension should have been longer.
 
2012-03-22 11:26:25 AM  
This is another example of why something like a bounty system in the NFL will always happen, there is no professional courtesy among professional football players. If there was, something like the bounty system would have never existed because there would be an understanding that while it's you're job to tackle the opponent, isn't not you're job to purposely injure them. Players wouldn't listen to coaches who say they needed to knock guys out of games, and defensive players would stop tackling the head and upper body of the opponent and return to tackling the waist and legs. These are called unwritten rules and sports are better for having them.
 
2012-03-22 11:36:05 AM  

GAT_00: Then Jeremy Shockey is the only honest man on that team.


Gregg Williams did the same thing when he was with the Titans, you know. Link (new window)

Anyway, here are my feelings on this:

There are no excuses for Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis disregarding their orders to cease the bounty program. None. What Goodell has done, however, screws fans in general and specifically Saints season ticket holders. The league's report was finalized weeks ago, and the deadline to pay at least half the amount due for Saints season tickets was last Friday. Roger Goodell knew good and well what he was going to do to the Saints before that deadline. Losing the head coach for one year is devastating. Between that and the looming player suspensions on defense, this season is a wash out. But, this really isn't going to hurt the Saints' bottom line too much. There is a waiting list of 60,000 people for Saints season tickets. They will sell their tickets. They still get their cut of the TV revenue. They have a sweetheart lease for the Dome that is basically free, and they got the highrise office building next door (now "Benson Tower" - the prior owners never repaired it after Katrina, so this actually helped boost that area of downtown) and the state leases offices from Benson in that building. But those of us who are paying thousands of dollars are not getting the product we thought we were getting. Did we know the team was going to face some discipline, probably stiff? Sure. Did anyone, anywhere, even in the media, predict this was happening? Don't think so. The Saints will get their revenues, but we lose our head coach, and probably a good number of wins. So, hit the Saints and Payton with some painful fines and a reasonable suspension, but don't take a dump all over the product we are paying for. That's really all I have to say about it.
 
2012-03-22 11:36:21 AM  

R.A.Danny: Good. There's no place for this kind of crap in professional sports. Payton's suspension should have been longer.


If you think the Saints are the only team guilty of what 10 years ago was known as "playing professional football" and is now known as a "bounty system", you are seriously fooling yourself.

The Saints made the mistake of getting caught, and so Goddell is making an example out of us.

We got hosed.
 
2012-03-22 11:38:02 AM  

gilgigamesh: R.A.Danny: Good. There's no place for this kind of crap in professional sports. Payton's suspension should have been longer.

If you think the Saints are the only team guilty of what 10 years ago was known as "playing professional football" and is now known as a "bounty system", you are seriously fooling yourself.

The Saints made the mistake of getting caught, and so Goddell is making an example out of us.

We got hosed.


You say that like the penalty isn't deserved.
 
2012-03-22 11:40:21 AM  

Nabb1: What Goodell has done, however, screws fans in general and specifically Saints season ticket holders. The league's report was finalized weeks ago, and the deadline to pay at least half the amount due for Saints season tickets was last Friday. Roger Goodell knew good and well what he was going to do to the Saints before that deadline. Losing the head coach for one year is devastating. Between that and the looming player suspensions on defense, this season is a wash out.


This is what kills me. The only upside is that my ticket prices miraculously didn't go up this year, at all.
 
2012-03-22 11:43:38 AM  

GAT_00: gilgigamesh: R.A.Danny: Good. There's no place for this kind of crap in professional sports. Payton's suspension should have been longer.

If you think the Saints are the only team guilty of what 10 years ago was known as "playing professional football" and is now known as a "bounty system", you are seriously fooling yourself.

The Saints made the mistake of getting caught, and so Goddell is making an example out of us.

We got hosed.

You say that like the penalty isn't deserved.


No one here is saying that. I have heard no Saints fans say that a penalty of some form isn't warranted, and people are rightly upset with Payton and Loomis, but there is a sense among Saints fans right now that the suspension of Payton for a whole year is disproportionate and vindictive. If you read what I wrote, I think the League could easily hit Payton with a four or six game suspension and fine him millions of dollars and accomplish the same thing.
 
2012-03-22 11:44:04 AM  

gilgigamesh: R.A.Danny: Good. There's no place for this kind of crap in professional sports. Payton's suspension should have been longer.

If you think the Saints are the only team guilty of what 10 years ago was known as "playing professional football" and is now known as a "bounty system", you are seriously fooling yourself.

The Saints made the mistake of getting caught, and so Goddell is making an example out of us.

We got hosed.


As a graduate of SMU (the only college to recieve a Death Penalty from NCAA, from over 25 years ago, which we're still paying for today), it happens. An example has to be made. I can guaran-damn-tee you other teams were paying players and giving incentives, and I can guaran-damn-tee you other NFL teams had bounty systems. It's just that both SMU and the Saints were dumb enough to get caught.

This will hurt the Saints next year, but y'all have a large (and crazy) fan-base which will help.
 
2012-03-22 11:45:22 AM  

GAT_00: gilgigamesh: R.A.Danny: Good. There's no place for this kind of crap in professional sports. Payton's suspension should have been longer.

If you think the Saints are the only team guilty of what 10 years ago was known as "playing professional football" and is now known as a "bounty system", you are seriously fooling yourself.

The Saints made the mistake of getting caught, and so Goddell is making an example out of us.

We got hosed.

You say that like the penalty isn't deserved.


I think it was harsh, yes. I mean, the real crime that got Sean Payton suspended for a full year wasn't the bounty system itself, its that he lied about it and didn't stop it.

I don't know. I have to admit I can't be objective about this because as Nabb1 pointed out we were locked into our season tickets Friday, and this news comes down a few days later, so it is really a kick in the nuts. I probably would have sucked this season up either way -- I've had these seats for 12 years now, and so I've sucked up a lot -- but it would have been nice to make an informed choice, you know?
 
2012-03-22 11:48:37 AM  

Nabb1: No one here is saying that. I have heard no Saints fans say that a penalty of some form isn't warranted, and people are rightly upset with Payton and Loomis, but there is a sense among Saints fans right now that the suspension of Payton for a whole year is disproportionate and vindictive. If you read what I wrote, I think the League could easily hit Payton with a four or six game suspension and fine him millions of dollars and accomplish the same thing.


Of course there should be a punishment; I haven't heard anyone say otherwise. But this is excessive, it was shockingly harsh, really. And you are spot on that the ones who are really getting reamed here are the fans.
 
2012-03-22 11:49:35 AM  

gilgigamesh: I don't know. I have to admit I can't be objective about this because as Nabb1 pointed out we were locked into our season tickets Friday, and this news comes down a few days later, so it is really a kick in the nuts. I probably would have sucked this season up either way -- I've had these seats for 12 years now, and so I've sucked up a lot -- but it would have been nice to make an informed choice, you know?


Exactly. I think we all knew something was going to come down, but at least the expectation was they could still have a good season. Now, it's looking bleak, and may still get bleaker yet. I probably still would have bought my tickets anyway, but I still feel a biatcheated by all involved.
 
2012-03-22 11:50:40 AM  

Nabb1: but there is a sense among Saints fans right now that the suspension of Payton for a whole year is disproportionate and vindictive


It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.
 
2012-03-22 11:50:47 AM  

gilgigamesh: I mean, the real crime that got Sean Payton suspended for a full year wasn't the bounty system itself, its that he lied about it and didn't stop it.


Yeah, that was the biggest mistake. He was going to get suspended a couple of games anyway, but obviously lying about it, well, he's lucky he only lost a season.

gilgigamesh: but it would have been nice to make an informed choice, you know?


Oh come on. You knew this was going to happen. How exactly did you not suspect a penalty like this? Honestly, I'm shocked the NFL came close to doing the right thing suspending him for a year. If that's the logic you were going with too, fine. But don't pretend that you couldn't have known penalties were coming.

Yes, you're a Saints fan. You think they're harsh. I think they're deserved. The bounties are bad enough. Lying about it only made it worse.

But hey, like I said, you know at least one person on your team is honest.
 
2012-03-22 11:51:48 AM  

gilgigamesh: Of course there should be a punishment; I haven't heard anyone say otherwise. But this is excessive, it was shockingly harsh, really. And you are spot on that the ones who are really getting reamed here are the fans.


Ah, nevermind. Yeah, the 4-6 games part is probably what he would have gotten. The lying did him in.
 
2012-03-22 11:54:42 AM  

GAT_00: Ah, nevermind. Yeah, the 4-6 games part is probably what he would have gotten. The lying did him in.


I was thinking half a season, tops. I never expected this.

Hell, its *more* than a season. Its a full year, until April.
 
2012-03-22 11:57:13 AM  

R.A.Danny: Nabb1: but there is a sense among Saints fans right now that the suspension of Payton for a whole year is disproportionate and vindictive

It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.


Not to excuse him, but he probably didn't stop it because its a common practice in the NFL, and putting a stop to it would have put the Saints at a competitive disadvantage.
 
2012-03-22 11:58:21 AM  

gilgigamesh: R.A.Danny: Good. There's no place for this kind of crap in professional sports. Payton's suspension should have been longer.

If you think the Saints are the only team guilty of what 10 years ago was known as "playing professional football" and is now known as a "bounty system", you are seriously fooling yourself.

The Saints made the mistake of getting caught, and so Goddell is making an example out of us.

We got hosed.


Yup. You did. You didn't follow Rule #1

blogs.whatsontv.co.uk
 
2012-03-22 11:59:20 AM  
So any word on what the Saints will do now?

Will they just rely on Brees calling audibles for every play now, or what?
 
2012-03-22 11:59:39 AM  

gilgigamesh: GAT_00: Ah, nevermind. Yeah, the 4-6 games part is probably what he would have gotten. The lying did him in.

I was thinking half a season, tops. I never expected this.

Hell, its *more* than a season. Its a full year, until April.


I would have suspended his ass indefinitely. Like I said, I'm surprised the NFL came close to doing the right thing.

I'd also go through and ban anyone who can be proved to have gotten paid for a hit. If the claim that they wrote all this down is true, the NFL ought to go through and do it.
 
2012-03-22 12:00:25 PM  

R.A.Danny: Nabb1: but there is a sense among Saints fans right now that the suspension of Payton for a whole year is disproportionate and vindictive

It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.


The entire sport is contracted assault. Let's not all clutch our pearls, here. We (football fans) all like to see people get hit. Sure, we don't like dirty hits, cheap hits, hits after the play is over, but we all like to see big tackles, sacks that force turnovers, defensive backs flying in and breaking up a reception with a good, hard hit. We don't tune in every Sunday to watch flag football. This punishment is for the lying and the cover-up, which was stupid and arrogant in the extreme. I'm willing to bet if the Saints had put a stop to all of this back in 2010 when they were told to, we'd never have heard anything about it. So, go ahead and punish the Saints, and punish Payton, but hit them where it hurts them more than it hurts us. Or at least drop the hammer BEFORE we pay thousands of dollars to keep our season tickets. Just show us some consideration here, even if it's just doling out the punishment before season ticket money is due.
 
2012-03-22 12:00:30 PM  
I think we are missing the big picture here. Sapp is a total douche.

Either be 100% sure of what you are about to say and be willing to reveal your source or shut the fark up until you are 100% of it and are willing to reveal your source.
 
2012-03-22 12:01:52 PM  
How can Saints fans feel they got screwed by Goodell? They were screwed by Payton.

If Payton was arrested dealing drugs, would Saints fans feel screwed by the cops?
 
2012-03-22 12:03:24 PM  
Warren Sapp is a scumbag.

QBKilla?

Who does he work for? they ought to fire him. NOW.

/no i don't like Shockey at all.
 
2012-03-22 12:04:46 PM  

gilgigamesh: R.A.Danny: Nabb1: but there is a sense among Saints fans right now that the suspension of Payton for a whole year is disproportionate and vindictive

It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.

Not to excuse him, but he probably didn't stop it because its a common practice in the NFL, and putting a stop to it would have put the Saints at a competitive disadvantage.


I don't know if it was so much a competitive advantage issue, but maybe he just took assumed it wasn't that big of a deal because it was league-wide and didn't take the warning seriously enough.
 
2012-03-22 12:06:48 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Warren Sapp: class act.


The funny part is that of all the plays - late hits, helmet to helmet, high/low hits, etc. recently, the ONE play I've seen in the last ten years that looked like an intentional hit to cause injury was Sapp's blindside on Chad Clifton about ten years ago. Everybody talks about Harrison (James or Rodney) or Suh, etc. but for my money the Sapp hit was far more brutal and unnecessary than any other hit I've seen in the last decade.
 
2012-03-22 12:08:04 PM  

R.A.Danny: It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.


It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.

It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.

It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.

It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.

It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.


It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.
 
2012-03-22 12:09:43 PM  

gilgigamesh: R.A.Danny: Good. There's no place for this kind of crap in professional sports. Payton's suspension should have been longer.

If you think the Saints are the only team guilty of what 10 years ago was known as "playing professional football" and is now known as a "bounty system", you are seriously fooling yourself.

The Saints made the mistake of getting caught, and so Goddell is making an example out of us.

We got hosed.


Next time you are in the locker room with your team try to see if they can follow the rules for you. You guys hosed yourself with this knowing full well where the commisioners head was at in respect to being taken seriously as a noob and taking the effort to increase player safety very seriously. Outside of gambling in the club house you guys couldn't have done anything worse as a group. And then it appears to be systemic, from your coach down through the ranks. You hosed yourself, or your team hosed it's fans, however feels less stupid sounding when you say it.
 
2012-03-22 12:10:07 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Warren Sapp: class act.


This

Gunny Highway: Sapp is a total douche.


That

halfof33: Warren Sapp is a scumbag.

QBKilla?

Who does he work for? they ought to fire him. NOW.

/no i don't like Shockey at all.


And these

/Sapp is an undeniable tool
 
2012-03-22 12:12:25 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Sapp's blindside on Chad Clifton about ten years ago. Everybody talks about Harrison (James or Rodney) or Suh, etc. but for my money the Sapp hit was far more brutal and unnecessary than any other hit I've seen in the last decade.



i was saying yesterday in the "shockey was the rat" detour the suspension thread took, how i'll never forget the then-Packer coach (mike sherman, fritz sherman, fritz shurmer, whatever) runing up to Sapp and having words, and then Sapp shouting at him -- a mid-thirties professional athlete, 6'3", 290, versus a 60yr old man -- "PUT ON A HELMET! PUT ON A HELMET! PUT ON A HELMET! PUT ON A HELMET!"

What a farkin' JACKBAG.
 
2012-03-22 12:12:45 PM  

gilgigamesh: Of course there should be a punishment; I haven't heard anyone say otherwise. But this is excessive, it was shockingly harsh, really. And you are spot on that the ones who are really getting reamed here are the fans.


Agree one hundred percent.

My beef is that this ruling makes the fans suffer and that reeks of NCAA-style 'justice' to me. These are for-profit professionals, not a bunch of college wanks. Fine the owner of the team - hell, fine him ten million dollars for all I care. But leave the product on the field alone. The saints fans don't deserve this. Hell, I'm a steeler fan... but when we play the saints I want to see them with all they got, not some watered down commissioner depleted version. Mark my words - Goodell is opening a can of worms he'll wish he had left closed.
 
2012-03-22 12:14:10 PM  

rickythepenguin: It's contracted assault, Payton lied about it, and it damages the game. I agree with you 99% of the time, but put up your dukes, bucko.


That's a bit melodramatic. If they were engaging in contracted assault, let me be the first to point out that they were absolutely terrible at it.
 
2012-03-22 12:14:14 PM  

Nabb1: I don't know if it was so much a competitive advantage issue, but maybe he just took assumed it wasn't that big of a deal because it was league-wide and didn't take the warning seriously enough.


If so that's supremely stupid and shortsighted.

If he could have made the case that we were being unfairly singled out for something that is common practice league-wide, and he just miscalculated, I could understand. Sort of.

But if he really didn't see the way the wind was blowing on this and just blew it off after being specifically warned.... Jesus.
 
2012-03-22 12:14:20 PM  

gilgigamesh: The Saints made the mistake of getting caught, and so Goddell is making an example out of us.


No, they made the mistakes of:

1) Getting caught
2) Lying about it
3) Continuing the policy for two more years
4) Getting caught again

Sorry, if you're not smart enough to stop doing something after being the target of a league investigation, you don't deserve any leniency because you're idiots.
 
2012-03-22 12:15:01 PM  

rickythepenguin: a mid-thirties professional athlete, 6'3", 290, versus a 60yr old man -- "PUT ON A HELMET! PUT ON A HELMET! PUT ON A HELMET! PUT ON A HELMET!"

What a farkin' JACKBAG.



Heh. That is the truth.
 
2012-03-22 12:16:17 PM  

Nabb1: GAT_00: Then Jeremy Shockey is the only honest man on that team.

Gregg Williams did the same thing when he was with the Titans, you know. Link (new window)

Anyway, here are my feelings on this:

There are no excuses for Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis disregarding their orders to cease the bounty program. None. What Goodell has done, however, screws fans in general and specifically Saints season ticket holders. The league's report was finalized weeks ago, and the deadline to pay at least half the amount due for Saints season tickets was last Friday. Roger Goodell knew good and well what he was going to do to the Saints before that deadline. Losing the head coach for one year is devastating. Between that and the looming player suspensions on defense, this season is a wash out. But, this really isn't going to hurt the Saints' bottom line too much. There is a waiting list of 60,000 people for Saints season tickets. They will sell their tickets. They still get their cut of the TV revenue. They have a sweetheart lease for the Dome that is basically free, and they got the highrise office building next door (now "Benson Tower" - the prior owners never repaired it after Katrina, so this actually helped boost that area of downtown) and the state leases offices from Benson in that building. But those of us who are paying thousands of dollars are not getting the product we thought we were getting. Did we know the team was going to face some discipline, probably stiff? Sure. Did anyone, anywhere, even in the media, predict this was happening? Don't think so. The Saints will get their revenues, but we lose our head coach, and probably a good number of wins. So, hit the Saints and Payton with some painful fines and a reasonable suspension, but don't take a dump all over the product we are paying for. That's really all I have to say about it.


There isn't a wait for Saints tics? Heck, in GB you keep paying for 'em unless you want to lose your rights and be on the waiting list for another 80 years.
 
2012-03-22 12:17:39 PM  
Also, it is one thing for the MIke Golics (ESPN) and I guess, uh, whatever athlete works for Fox (or CNN for that matter) to say, as Golic did today, "bounties have always been part of th egame, they were when I played, that's a fact" but.....Sapp is an NFL Network employee, is he not?

I wonder if Goodell doesn't tell all NFL Network employees to STFU about how boutnies are good or whatever. I mean, call it what it is: state run TV. I mean, I guess some folks could get away with basically, samizdat on NFL Network, but......I don't think Sapp has the metnal firepower to do that. and Kurt Warner, hell, he was on the receiving end of bounties so we know his thougths.

Curious.

I mean, didn't the NFL suddenly scrub the airing of the 2010 championship game recently, just after the scandal broke? We'll probably never see that game again. Just as Goodell destoryed the Spygate tapes, I don't think anything that occurred with the Saints' bounty will be officially released moving forward.
 
2012-03-22 12:18:50 PM  

Nabb1: Or at least drop the hammer BEFORE we pay thousands of dollars to keep our season tickets.


The Saints organization should be offering some kind of apology (at least) or compensation for selling an inferior product. It's the Saints that owe the fans something here, not the league.
 
2012-03-22 12:19:21 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: There isn't a wait for Saints tics? Heck, in GB you keep paying for 'em unless you want to lose your rights and be on the waiting ...


There's a wait list of over 60,000 people. So, even if, say, half of current season ticket holders decided to call it quits, you can pretty much assume there are some plenty of people on that list willing to bite the bullet this year to fill that void. I just don't see the Saints as an organization really feeling a hit to their bottom line on this. Saints fans are insanely loyal and that stadium will still fill up (assuming the team does what it really, really needs to do and lock up Brees to a long term deal), which is I why I think Goodell should have hammered the Saints financially as opposed to suspending the coach for a whole year - not just a season, but a whole year.
 
2012-03-22 12:19:46 PM  

JohnBigBootay: at's a bit melodramatic. If they were engaging in contracted assault, let me be the first to point out that they were absolutely terrible at it.



whether it was effective isn't the issue; that it happened, is.

again, they were warned already. goodell's warnign wasn't conditioned on whtehr players in fact got carted off. his warning was KNOCK IT THE fark OFF and they didn't comply.
 
2012-03-22 12:19:53 PM  

halfof33: Warren Sapp is a scumbag.

QBKilla?


Chad Clifton would agree with you on that.

halfof33: Who does he work for? they ought to fire him. NOW.

/no i don't like Shockey at all.


And the Saints should fire Loomis, Peyton, and Vitt for lying to investigators about what they knew.

Much as I loathe Shockey (going back to his days at Miami), I don't think he's the rat. But Warren heard it from a reliable source, and stuff. Heck, he might have read it on THE INTERNET. It must be 100% true.

Wasn't excited when the team picked him up, and told people Jimmy Graham was (and is) better.

Somebody ratted, but that's less of an issue than: A) them not cutting it out the first time they got caught, and B) lying about it ever happening the second time they got caugth.

//Saints' fan since before Jim Mora was famous for, "Playoffs?!"
 
2012-03-22 12:19:56 PM  
Warren Sapp outs Jeremy Shockey for outing Jonathan Vilma.

That Miami alumni club is one big happy family, ain't it?
 
2012-03-22 12:20:38 PM  
Saints ownership has sent out paper bags to all those that purchased season tickets.
 
2012-03-22 12:20:44 PM  

JohnBigBootay: but for my money the Sapp hit was far more brutal and unnecessary than any other hit I've seen in the last decade.


The only possible slack I can cut Sapp for it was the fact that it was a DL hitting an OL, and maybe earlier in the game Sapp happened to match up against Clifton on a stunt or something and thought he got eye-gouged or clipped. A hit like that even if it's in retaliation is still cheap, but enough sh*t goes on during a game "in the trenches"...
 
2012-03-22 12:20:54 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: There isn't a wait for Saints tics? Heck, in GB you keep paying for 'em unless you want to lose your rights and be on the waiting list for another 80 years.


There is now, but it isn't generational like it is for the Pack.
 
2012-03-22 12:21:54 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Heh. That is the truth.



pretty sure that was a mondya night game......i coudl google it but i remember the post-game coverage being about that hit and then in part, the Packer coahce's confrontation with Sapp. They kept showing that "put on a helmet!" thing, with palyers from both teams getting between them.

dammit. i hate when youtube is blocked. that has to be online.
 
2012-03-22 12:22:12 PM  
They overcame Katrina, they can overcome this. At least that's what the team said. Because the situations are so similar. Acts of God...what can you do?
 
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