Meh. Who cares? They could worship a bowl of imaginary spaghetti and meatballs, and I wouldn't care. Just as long as they leave other people alone and don't try to legislate their beliefs and morality.

Okay, well, now THIS guy's book looks interesting. shiat. I don't have time to read ll this shiat. When will I be able to waste time on Fark?

I am impressed that this guy wrote this lengthy retort to Ehrman's article in such short order.

The historian Josephus observed that all the messianic cults had died out, except for one, based on Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Jew born to a mother that was impregnated by a Roman centurion. So he was not only a real person, but he had friends loyal enough to cut him down off the cross during a thunderstorm. He laid low after that.

Marcus Aurelius: The historian Josephus observed that all the messianic cults had died out, except for one, based on Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Jew born to a mother that was impregnated by a Roman centurion. So he was not only a real person, but he had friends loyal enough to cut him down off the cross during a thunderstorm. He laid low after that.

What side of life did he look on?

Nadie_AZ: Meh. Who cares? They could worship a bowl of imaginary spaghetti and meatballs, and I wouldn't care. Just as long as they leave other people alone and don't try to legislate their beliefs and morality.

That ship has sailed, my friend.

Your blog is boring.

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Marcus Aurelius: The historian Josephus observed that all the messianic cults had died out, except for one, based on Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Jew born to a mother that was impregnated by a Roman centurion. So he was not only a real person, but he had friends loyal enough to cut him down off the cross during a thunderstorm. He laid low after that.

Hearsay isn't any more true when it's historical hearsay.

propasaurus: Nadie_AZ: Meh. Who cares? They could worship a bowl of imaginary spaghetti and meatballs, and I wouldn't care. Just as long as they leave other people alone and don't try to legislate their beliefs and morality.

That ship has sailed, my friend.

Oh I know. I'm referring to the blogger's need to pen this response.

Ender's: Link (new window)

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Yeah, but that link went to main, this is only going to the geek tab. I'm a sad subby.

Ed Finnerty: [www.richardcarrier.info image 100x118]

WTF is going on in that picture?

Jesus.

He mentions the Q source.

Who cares? You can't prove Jesus never existed and if anyone proves he existed, it won't change minds. If we prove he existed, it reinforces those who believe, and those who don't believe would just shrug because their belief isn't dependent on the man existing or not.

So again, who cares?

If Jesus wasn't real, then who gave us the Constitution?

Nadie_AZ: Marcus Aurelius: The historian Josephus observed that all the messianic cults had died out, except for one, based on Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Jew born to a mother that was impregnated by a Roman centurion. So he was not only a real person, but he had friends loyal enough to cut him down off the cross during a thunderstorm. He laid low after that.

What side of life did he look on?

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WhyteRaven74: if you walk into any history department anywhere and suggest Jesus didn't exist, you're liable to find yourself being lead away in a straight jacket.

Farking this.

JerseyTim: If Jesus wasn't real, then who gave us the Constitution?

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People are actually disregarding the Roman documentation of the man's existence? Really?

JerseyTim: If Jesus wasn't real, then who gave us the Constitution?

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Lemme Try that again nsfsanity

Man, we sure do waste a lot of time and energy debating a question that, no matter the answer, will satisfy no one ...

TheDumbBlonde: People are actually disregarding the Roman documentation of the man's existence? Really?

Never trust a Roman bearing documentation

Sure he does. He's coming over tomorrow to do my lawn.

Mugato: Sure he does. He's coming over tomorrow to do my lawn.

I really can't believe that I hadn't favourited you before now.

Marcus Aurelius: The historian Josephus observed that all the messianic cults had died out, except for one, based on Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Jew born to a mother that was impregnated by a Roman centurion. So he was not only a real person, but he had friends loyal enough to cut him down off the cross during a thunderstorm. He laid low after that.

1. Josephus' mentioning of Jesus is a forgery added to his writings
2. He wasn't a contemporary, he wrote his history about 60 years after Jesus supposedly lived

TheDumbBlonde: People are actually disregarding the Roman documentation of the man's existence? Really?

Please provide a citation to such documentation.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: TheDumbBlonde: People are actually disregarding the Roman documentation of the man's existence? Really?

Never trust a Roman bearing documentation

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Just out of curiosity, is there any other religion or mythology that is based around a supposed historical figure that we accept now as being entirely mythical? Like, is there any question as to the historicity of someone like Mohammed or the Buddha?

The evidence in favor of his historicity seems to me to be that within relative short order (~50 years) a group of people would have had to make up a person whom they supposedly interacted with, as opposed to creating a historical figure, which is much more common (Moses, Rama, Romulus and Remus, etc.)

WhyteRaven74: if you walk into any history department anywhere and suggest Jesus didn't exist, you're liable to find yourself being lead away in a straight jacket.

So then, it must be an extremely simple matter to prove beyond doubt.
Right?
/farking right?

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Marcus Aurelius: The historian Josephus observed that all the messianic cults had died out, except for one, based on Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Jew born to a mother that was impregnated by a Roman centurion. So he was not only a real person, but he had friends loyal enough to cut him down off the cross during a thunderstorm. He laid low after that.

Hearsay isn't any more true when it's historical hearsay.

Surviving Aramaic documents back up Josephus. Not my words, but rather a friend of mine that knows Aramaic.

FTFA: "Thompson allows the possibility of a historical Jesus, but concludes that the "Jesus" of the New Testament is mythical, and calls for renewed study of the question of historicity generally."

So you mean Historical Jesus didn't walk on water, or raise the dead, or tell fortunes, or kill zombies? That was all the Mythical Jesus? shucks...

I learn something new every day,,, but this isn't it.

Marcus Aurelius: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Marcus Aurelius: The historian Josephus observed that all the messianic cults had died out, except for one, based on Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Jew born to a mother that was impregnated by a Roman centurion. So he was not only a real person, but he had friends loyal enough to cut him down off the cross during a thunderstorm. He laid low after that.

Hearsay isn't any more true when it's historical hearsay.

Surviving Aramaic documents back up Josephus. Not my words, but rather a friend of mine that knows Aramaic.

Sure, but just because documentation seems to agree on a story, doesn't mean that the story is factually true. I know this might seem pedantic, but it's also very true when it comes to history, particularly "antiquities".

Put it another way, I can find lots of records about the Slender Man. Eye-witness accounts. That has no bearing on whether or not the Slender Man actually exists in reality.

Namely, again. Is it possible someone who grew into the legend of that which we know as "Jesus Christ" exist? Sure. Can we say with any certainty based on the records of the time that he did anything that is recorded in the Bible or elsewhere? No.

Shostie: MaudlinMutantMollusk: TheDumbBlonde: People are actually disregarding the Roman documentation of the man's existence? Really?

Never trust a Roman bearing documentation

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

This is why I love this place