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2012-03-21 01:16:57 PM
This one.
 
2012-03-21 01:18:47 PM
As a panthers fan, I gotta say I like it
 
2012-03-21 01:18:48 PM
Ho shiat. I wasn't expecting the NFL to come close to doing the right thing.
 
2012-03-21 01:24:44 PM
And the Glazers spending money this year too!?!?!? Has the 4th Seal been broken? You mean the Bucs won't be bottom of the heap this year?

/This one
 
2012-03-21 01:29:44 PM
Saints fan here. Yeah, this sucks, but I do agree that Williams deserved the worst of it, no matter what happened.

Though, outside of Williams, I really see this as John Laurinitis Roger Goodell pulling a bit of a power play to show everyone "who's boss". It was clear that the Saints had a cash pool, though no evidence has surfaced that players were paid specifically to intentionally hurt anyone. The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms. the Saints just got caught first.
 
2012-03-21 01:33:35 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Saints' cash pool existsed in 9/10 locker rooms. the Saints just got caught first.

 
2012-03-21 01:45:25 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Saints fan here. Yeah, this sucks, but I do agree that Williams deserved the worst of it, no matter what happened.

Though, outside of Williams, I really see this as John Laurinitis Roger Goodell pulling a bit of a power play to show everyone "who's boss". It was clear that the Saints had a cash pool, though no evidence has surfaced that players were paid specifically to intentionally hurt anyone. The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms. the Saints just got caught first.


You might want to read the details of the report, but here's a couple excerpts:

Payments were made for plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries. All such payments are against league rules. Payments also were made for plays on which opposing players were injured. In addition, specific players were sometimes targeted. The investigation showed bounties being placed on four quarterbacks of opposing teams - Brett Favre, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Kurt Warner. Multiple sources have confirmed that several players pledged funds toward bounties on specific opposing players, with defensive captain Jonathan Vilma offering $10,000 to any player who knocked Brett Favre out of the NFC Championship Game in 2010.



When interviewed in 2012, Sean Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints' opening game in 2011, Coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, "PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic)." When shown the email during the course of the investigation, Coach Payton stated that it referred to a "bounty" on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.


Link (new window)
 
2012-03-21 01:46:31 PM
Paging robsul82 to award THE JAKE to Sean Peyton for fumbling the Saints' 2012 chances away.
 
2012-03-21 01:52:46 PM
I imagine you're hearing this a lot in New Orleans today.

(NSFW Language)
 
2012-03-21 01:53:26 PM
I kind of thought this would be a harsh one, especially with the rumors of non NFL associated people contributing to the bounties.
 
2012-03-21 01:54:09 PM

mjoven1975: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Saints fan here. Yeah, this sucks, but I do agree that Williams deserved the worst of it, no matter what happened.

Though, outside of Williams, I really see this as John Laurinitis Roger Goodell pulling a bit of a power play to show everyone "who's boss". It was clear that the Saints had a cash pool, though no evidence has surfaced that players were paid specifically to intentionally hurt anyone. The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms. the Saints just got caught first.

You might want to read the details of the report, but here's a couple excerpts:

Payments were made for plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries. All such payments are against league rules. Payments also were made for plays on which opposing players were injured. In addition, specific players were sometimes targeted. The investigation showed bounties being placed on four quarterbacks of opposing teams - Brett Favre, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Kurt Warner. Multiple sources have confirmed that several players pledged funds toward bounties on specific opposing players, with defensive captain Jonathan Vilma offering $10,000 to any player who knocked Brett Favre out of the NFC Championship Game in 2010.



When interviewed in 2012, Sean Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints' opening game in 2011, Coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, "PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic)." When shown the email during the course of the investigation, Coach Payton stated that it referred to a "bounty" on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

Link (new window)


Ok, point taken. Thank you for the clarification.

That said though, why has the league not gone back to review tape of those games and handed out fines for hits that looked a bit too hard? (i.e.-the double tackle on Favre that even I thought was going to be flagged)
 
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2012-03-21 01:54:55 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Though, outside of Williams, I really see this as John Laurinitis Roger Goodell pulling a bit of a power play to show everyone "who's boss".


Goodell and the NFL has been taking a lot of heat over concussions and the long term effects of it.

This bounty program put that in the spotlight and said "Oh, the NFL Players are injuring each other, and the coaches are paying it".

He needs to show "who is boss", because HE IS THE BOSS. He doesn't want this happening in the foreseeable future. He wants to bring down the hammer so this doesn't happen again.
 
2012-03-21 01:56:08 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: That said though, why has the league not gone back to review tape of those games and handed out fines for hits that looked a bit too hard? (i.e.-the double tackle on Favre that even I thought was going to be flagged)


I believe the word today is that the NFL is still investigating players. This isn't over yet.
 
2012-03-21 01:58:28 PM

Meet Us at the Stick: Grand_Moff_Joseph: That said though, why has the league not gone back to review tape of those games and handed out fines for hits that looked a bit too hard? (i.e.-the double tackle on Favre that even I thought was going to be flagged)

I believe the word today is that the NFL is still investigating players. This isn't over yet.


Gotcha. IMO, if they don't go back and take another look at players/plays, then they aren't really serious about fixing the problem, and are just putting on a PR show.
 
2012-03-21 01:59:28 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms.


Why were the Saints paying other teams to hurt players?
 
2012-03-21 02:07:31 PM
i2.cdn.turner.com

No comment.......
 
2012-03-21 02:12:08 PM
Take a look at TMQ's recent article about watching the NFC Championship Game anew with this bounty program in mind.
 
2012-03-21 02:12:42 PM
This doesn't surprise me, due to a very convincing argument I heard on a local sports talk show - in which the guy making the argument predicted a one-year suspension.
(can't remember who he was, he was a guest and hence may have done rounds nationally)

Basically his argument was this: not only was this a violation of the CBA (which is was), a black eye on the sport (which it was) and counter to everything the league is trying to do in terms of player safety (which again, it was), it was an issue of the integrity of NFL investigations.

The Saints had been investigated about this issue previously (which I hadn't known), and the NFL found nothing - because Payton, Williams, many others, had lied to investigators. Radio guy had done investigations for employers previously, and said "the first thing I told anyone was, the most important thing you can do from this point forward is to tell me the truth. Many people decided not to, and were fired, even though they would likely not have been otherwise".

So hence, commissioner has to get out the ban hammer, not only to send all the other messages people were talking about, but also to let teams know, "if we're investigating you for something, cooperate, or it'll be much worse". As I said radio guy specifically said it would probably be a year, plus fines, draft picks, etc... wish I could remember the dude's name.
 
2012-03-21 02:16:42 PM
Well, the Saints are screwed for this season. Good job, a**holes.
 
2012-03-21 02:21:55 PM

basemetal: No comment.......


He made a comment, a "that's football" comment.

Well, I hope we're all impressed with the size of Roger's penis. Carmichael or Spags, time to step up.
 
2012-03-21 02:23:09 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms.

Why were the Saints paying other teams to hurt players?


Sorry, bad typing by me. I was trying to say that a pool like the one the Saints ran probably existed in 9/10 locker rooms. The Saints just got caught first.
 
2012-03-21 02:32:59 PM
Look On The Bright Side: The Saints Just Saved 10 Million Dollars (new window)

/made me laugh to beat the band
 
2012-03-21 02:33:59 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: tallguywithglasseson: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms.

Why were the Saints paying other teams to hurt players?

Sorry, bad typing by me. I was trying to say that a pool like the one the Saints ran probably existed in 9/10 locker rooms. The Saints just got caught first.


So vote Republican?
 
2012-03-21 02:37:53 PM

kronicfeld: Take a look at TMQ's recent article about watching the NFC Championship Game anew with this bounty program in mind.


Ahaha. "Take a look at TMQ's recent article". laffs. Oh you.

/NO
 
2012-03-21 02:44:30 PM
Gregg Williams is only getting exactly what he deserves. He should never be allowed to step on another football field at any level of the sport. He is a disgrace.
 
2012-03-21 02:47:23 PM
How about the players? As far as I've heard, only Vilma has been hit.
 
2012-03-21 02:48:44 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: Gregg Williams is only getting exactly what he deserves. He should never be allowed to step on another football field at any level of the sport. He is a disgrace.


It's interesting that his ban is "indefinite" and not "permanent" or something like that.
 
2012-03-21 02:49:26 PM
While this absolutely should be punished, I find it very hard to believe that the Saints were the only team with such a program.
 
2012-03-21 02:49:30 PM

DamnYankees: How about the players? As far as I've heard, only Vilma has been hit.


That's still being worked on.
 
2012-03-21 02:49:44 PM
Damn dirty cheaters
 
2012-03-21 02:51:01 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Saints fan here. Yeah, this sucks, but I do agree that Williams deserved the worst of it, no matter what happened.


Saints' fan here, too. Since John Fourcade days.

The Bensons need to hit harder than the league did.

Williams is fully at fault, but Peyton and Loomis, especially Loomis, need to be gone.

Trade the rights to Breesus to Cleveland, play out the season, and start anew in 2013. God knows they've had to do that before.

//No amount of Vicodin's gonna dull losin $8 mill, huh, Peyton?
 
2012-03-21 02:52:41 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Saints fan here. Yeah, this sucks, but I do agree that Williams deserved the worst of it, no matter what happened.

Though, outside of Williams, I really see this as John Laurinitis Roger Goodell pulling a bit of a power play to show everyone "who's boss". It was clear that the Saints had a cash pool, though no evidence has surfaced that players were paid specifically to intentionally hurt anyone. The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms. the Saints just got caught first had 50k pages worth of documentation of their bounty pool.


I don't doubt that this occurs in other NFL locker rooms. It's just that the Aints went full Nixon and recorded all their misdeeds.
 
2012-03-21 02:53:58 PM

germ78: I don't doubt that this occurs in other NFL locker rooms. It's just that the Aints went full Nixon and recorded all their misdeeds.


Also there's the whole being told not to do it by the NFL and then being caught still doing it angle.
 
2012-03-21 02:54:06 PM

germ78: had 50k pages worth of documentation of their bounty pool.


It'd be nice if we could get that destroyed.
 
2012-03-21 03:00:43 PM
Bounties are stupid at face value. If a player could have made a game changing play that player would have. It's not like anyone sits on the sideline thinking "Man, I'd have sacked the QB if only there were another $5k riding on it."
 
2012-03-21 03:08:27 PM

FreakinB: While this absolutely should be punished, I find it very hard to believe that the Saints were the only team with such a program.


Doesn't matter - they're being made an example of and any teams that were also doing this have now stopped.
 
2012-03-21 03:09:38 PM
Been calling them dirty since 09.

Damn it feels good to be a gangstavindicated.
 
2012-03-21 03:10:04 PM
Here's the leaked design for the Saint's new helmets in 2012:
www.starwarshelmets.com

/hot
 
2012-03-21 03:12:04 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Saints fan here. Yeah, this sucks, but I do agree that Williams deserved the worst of it, no matter what happened.

Though, outside of Williams, I really see this as John Laurinitis Roger Goodell pulling a bit of a power play to show everyone "who's boss". It was clear that the Saints had a cash pool, though no evidence has surfaced that players were paid specifically to intentionally hurt anyone. The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms. the Saints just got caught first.


That's what I recall hearing from Patriots fans regarding the taping thing.
 
2012-03-21 03:13:19 PM

germ78: Here's the leaked design for the Saint's new helmets in 2012:
[www.starwarshelmets.com image 374x455]

/hot


That'd actually be cool.
 
2012-03-21 03:15:00 PM

Quasar: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Saints fan here. Yeah, this sucks, but I do agree that Williams deserved the worst of it, no matter what happened.

Though, outside of Williams, I really see this as John Laurinitis Roger Goodell pulling a bit of a power play to show everyone "who's boss". It was clear that the Saints had a cash pool, though no evidence has surfaced that players were paid specifically to intentionally hurt anyone. The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms. the Saints just got caught first.

That's what I recall hearing from Patriots fans regarding the taping thing.


Winning a SB and trying to vindicate it when people find out you were doing dirty things to win said SB will do that to you.
 
2012-03-21 03:15:55 PM

robsul82: germ78: Here's the leaked design for the Saint's new helmets in 2012:
[www.starwarshelmets.com image 374x455]

/hot

That'd actually be cool.


I'd lol.
 
2012-03-21 03:17:42 PM

DamnYankees: themeaningoflifeisnot: Gregg Williams is only getting exactly what he deserves. He should never be allowed to step on another football field at any level of the sport. He is a disgrace.

It's interesting that his ban is "indefinite" and not "permanent" or something like that.


The possibility of his reinstatement someday will probably turn on him cooperating with the NFL investigation
 
2012-03-21 03:19:27 PM
@AdamSchefter
RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis reached agreement on a three-year deal with the Bengals.
1 minute ago
 
2012-03-21 03:20:41 PM

robsul82: @AdamSchefter
RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis reached agreement on a three-year deal with the Bengals.
1 minute ago


Oh, eat me, wrong tab.
 
2012-03-21 03:21:18 PM

robsul82: @AdamSchefter
RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis reached agreement on a three-year deal with the Bengals.
1 minute ago


YOUR DIVERSIONARY TACTICS WILL NOT WORK HERE!
 
2012-03-21 03:21:28 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: tallguywithglasseson: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Saints' cash pool exists in 9/10 locker rooms.

Why were the Saints paying other teams to hurt players?

Sorry, bad typing by me. I was trying to say that a pool like the one the Saints ran probably existed in 9/10 locker rooms. The Saints just got caught first.


So, who are the 28 other teams that are doing this?

I don't doubt that this might be a one-off event occasionally with some other teams, but I seriously doubt that 28 other NFL teams have institutionalized and condoned a program directed at intentionally injuring opposing players, much less have coaches who encourage a bounty scheme to award players for potentially ruining opponents' careers.
 
2012-03-21 03:24:23 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: condoned a program directed at intentionally injuring opposing players, much less have coaches who encourage a bounty scheme to award players for potentially ruining opponents' careers.


You realize your hyperbolic language is directly contradicted by the vast majority of players, right?
 
2012-03-21 03:29:14 PM

DamnYankees: How about the players? As far as I've heard, only Vilma has been hit.


For that they have to negotiate with the Player's Association...
 
2012-03-21 03:31:29 PM
Warren Sapp just said on Twitter that Jeremy Shockey was the one who snitched.

Link (new window)
 
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