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2012-03-21 04:24:20 PM  
Question: Can NOLA fire Payton and hire Dungy?
 
2012-03-21 04:24:36 PM  

admiral_neckbeard: Take caution in your tone, Commissioner. I'm a fair guy, but this farkin' heat's making me absolutely crazy. You want to know about bounties? On the record I tell you that I discourage the practice in accordance with the NFL directive. Off the record I tell you that it's an invaluable part of linebacker training, and if it happens to go on without my knowledge, so be it. I run my team how I run my team. You want to investigate me, roll the dice and take your chances. I eat breakfast 412 miles away from 53 Falcons who are trained to kill me. So don't for one second think you're gonna come down here, flash a badge, and make me nervous.


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/I bet we still sweep the Dirty Birds this year.
 
2012-03-21 04:24:36 PM  

downstairs: Plus, last time I checked, Shockey is a defensive player


Check again.
 
2012-03-21 04:24:42 PM  
As a diehard Saints fan and former coach, I might come in just for playoffs.
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2012-03-21 04:25:02 PM  
Where's Tampa Bay's suspensions for having a bounty on Payton?

The ONE coach that gets his leg taken out last year and somehow he's the only one running a bounty program? C'mon.
 
2012-03-21 04:25:04 PM  

Tom_Slick: I have a feeling Sean Peyton and the GM will be out of work by Friday, this close to the draft the only chance they have is a retired coach like Dungy or Cower, then again Nick Saban is a short drive away.


Not gonna happen. Payton's a great coach and Loomis is a top GM.

Although Jon Gruden is a personal friend of Payton's and I'm sure THAT GUY might be interested, lol.

/it'll be Carmichael or Spags, Payton will come back next year
//and give me a break, Payton won't be on the sidelines, but they'll find some way to communicate with each other, let's not be children about this
 
2012-03-21 04:25:45 PM  

robsul82: themeaningoflifeisnot: Plus, look at how unambiguous Goodell's statement is--the league has concluded that players and coaches participated in a scheme of rewarding players for injurious hits, and that players embraced the program enthusiastically without care for the well-being of fellow players on other teams. That is a damn strong condemnation that simply would not be made without supporting proof.

Dude, I'm not saying they don't have proof the system existed, I'm saying you're going too far in describing the aim of the system, as supported by the accounts of myriad players of what life under bounty systems are like.


If the NFL has credible evidence of players being rewarded financially for causing actual injuries to targeted players, it should be turned over to law enforcement for investigation of and possible prosecution for criminal conspiracy and assault.
 
2012-03-21 04:26:03 PM  

robsul82: //and give me a break, Payton won't be on the sidelines, but they'll find some way to communicate with each other, let's not be children about this


Meaning prior to games, I see that phrasing could lead to thoughts I'm expecting earpieces and shiat
 
2012-03-21 04:26:28 PM  
Does anyone know what agreement gives the league the right to fine and suspend coaches? They aren't party to the players' CBA, right? Is there a coach CBA, or is something built in to all their individual contracts or something?
 
2012-03-21 04:26:32 PM  

robsul82: Tom_Slick: I have a feeling Sean Peyton and the GM will be out of work by Friday, this close to the draft the only chance they have is a retired coach like Dungy or Cower, then again Nick Saban is a short drive away.

Not gonna happen. Payton's a great coach and Loomis is a top GM.

Although Jon Gruden is a personal friend of Payton's and I'm sure THAT GUY might be interested, lol.

/it'll be Carmichael or Spags, Payton will come back next year
//and give me a break, Payton won't be on the sidelines, but they'll find some way to communicate with each other, let's not be children about this


They'll talk over XBox Live. Just like the rest of the terrorists.
 
2012-03-21 04:26:53 PM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: If the NFL has credible evidence of players being rewarded financially for causing actual injuries to targeted players, it should be turned over to law enforcement for investigation of and possible prosecution for criminal conspiracy and assault.


Again, I have the vapors. Get real, man.
 
2012-03-21 04:27:01 PM  

robsul82: Although Jon Gruden is a personal friend of Payton's and I'm sure THAT GUY might be interested, lol.


He was actually the first one I thought of as a replacement. He's also extra-used to short-term gigs.
 
2012-03-21 04:27:04 PM  

netweavr: hire Dungy?


Dungy has said many times he's done with coaching. He said just this last season that he still gets a call here and there but he always politely declines.
 
2012-03-21 04:27:04 PM  

kwame: From Drew Brees, via Twitter: I am speechless. Sean Payton is a great man, coach, and mentor. The best there is. I need to hear an explanation for this.

STFU. No one owes you an explanation, asshole, and don't walk around pretending you had no idea it was going on. You were in the locker room as much as anyone else.


It's not that far-fetched. The offensive and defensive units were pretty separate. Williams was more or less a co-head coach. He ran the defensive unit, and Payton wanted a DC who could do that so he wouldn't have to spend any time on anything other than offense. Bounties are like Fight Club - Rule #1...
 
2012-03-21 04:27:09 PM  

SlothB77: how does suspending a GM work? so he doesn't get paid. i get that. what work can he do/ not do for the organization?


Probably much the same way George Steinbrenner was banned from running the Yankees. So, yeah.
 
2012-03-21 04:27:19 PM  
Even retired, Brett Favre gets the NFL to answer his whining attention whore ways.
 
2012-03-21 04:27:25 PM  
Good. The Saints' cheating has been punished, and now we wait to see what happens to their dirty, dirty players.

/This is much closer to justice than what I imagined the NFL would be willing to do.
 
2012-03-21 04:27:57 PM  

WhyteRaven74: netweavr: hire Dungy?

Dungy has said many times he's done with coaching. He said just this last season that he still gets a call here and there but he always politely declines.


It's a one-year thing though. Not exactly a career move.
 
2012-03-21 04:28:27 PM  

DamnYankees: Does anyone know what agreement gives the league the right to fine and suspend coaches? They aren't party to the players' CBA, right? Is there a coach CBA, or is something built in to all their individual contracts or something?


Most likely the franchise agreements with the League itself.
 
2012-03-21 04:29:05 PM  

downstairs: 2. I doubt any coach would take a one-year job.


HA! Maybe not the elite candidates who can get a long-term deal elsewhere. But there's 32 multi-million dollar jobs at that level and hundreds of guys (well, at least 'dozens') would kill to be candidates.
 
2012-03-21 04:29:14 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Meet Us at the Stick: Grand_Moff_Joseph: That said though, why has the league not gone back to review tape of those games and handed out fines for hits that looked a bit too hard? (i.e.-the double tackle on Favre that even I thought was going to be flagged)

I believe the word today is that the NFL is still investigating players. This isn't over yet.

Gotcha. IMO, if they don't go back and take another look at players/plays, then they aren't really serious about fixing the problem, and are just putting on a PR show.


I think Vilma is going to be teed up as the poster boy for this whole scandal when it comes down to the player punishments.

I'd say "You heard it here first," but it's too freaking obvious.
 
2012-03-21 04:29:18 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: ESPN crawl:League says Williams intentionally misled investigators when first questioned in 2010. Williams later confirmed that he ran bounty program and contributed money to bounty pool.

NFL says Payton falsely denied bounty program's existence and instructed assistant coaches to cover it up. Payton also did not attempt to stop program as instructed by league office and team ownership. So a year, like I said, not all that surprising.


Actually, considering that...only a year almost seems surprising.
 
2012-03-21 04:29:34 PM  
Epic sports day

So 2 of their players got an 8 game and a 6 game suspension, a dc banned, payton for the year, some picks and a 500k fine. Am I missing anything here?

They dropped the hammer on them, be interesting if they kick payton to the curb and bring in another long term coach.

Also, has brees signed his franchise tender yet?
 
2012-03-21 04:29:34 PM  

srhp29: It's interesting that the Patriots actually "cheated" and their coach wasn't suspended at all.

Did the NFL allow the NCAA to decide the punishment?


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2012-03-21 04:29:45 PM  

kwame: From Drew Brees, via Twitter: I am speechless. Sean Payton is a great man, coach, and mentor. The best there is. I need to hear an explanation for this.

STFU. No one owes you an explanation, asshole, and don't walk around pretending you had no idea it was going on. You were in the locker room as much as anyone else.


Dear Drew: He's a coach who encouraged his players to injure people like you. Would you like a taste of what he allowed to happen to other players happen to you? Sincerely, JFSP.
 
2012-03-21 04:29:47 PM  
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You guys are Spags'
 
2012-03-21 04:30:29 PM  

Misplaced yat: Gotta be Carmichael. Spags just got here, and is still busy with other important things, like trying to assemble an actual defense.


Totally. Plus the head coach suspended was an offensive guy. And Charmichael knows the offense. And was OC of a Super Bowl winning team, which relied on its offense more than its defense. Its not THAT horrible of a downgrade.
 
2012-03-21 04:30:55 PM  

SoCalSurfer: Also, has brees signed his franchise tender yet?


That'd be a no.
 
2012-03-21 04:31:11 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: Good. The Saints' cheating has been punished, and now we wait to see what happens to their dirty, dirty players.

/This is much closer to justice than what I imagined the NFL would be willing to do.


and everyone thought that Suh was a dirty player...At least he doesn't do this kinda thing for money.
 
2012-03-21 04:31:22 PM  

DamnYankees: downstairs: Plus, last time I checked, Shockey is a defensive player

Check again.


Dammit, typo. I meant offensive, obvious by the rest of my statement.
 
2012-03-21 04:31:40 PM  

srhp29: It's interesting that the Patriots actually "cheated" and their coach wasn't suspended at all.

Did the NFL allow the NCAA to decide the punishment?



The difference as I see it is, attempts to steal the other teams playbooks etc to gain a competitive advantage have gone on since the beginning of football, doesn't make it right, but no physical harm is done to the players and the fans kind of expect some form of cheating from time to time. Trying to gain a competitive advantage by knocking the other teams star players out of the game makes the league look like a prison rec yard pick up game.
 
2012-03-21 04:32:01 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Would you like a taste of what he allowed to happen to other players happen to you? Sincerely, JFSP.


JFSP, every locker room across the league has these, though not as thoroughly (and idiotically) documented. Every damn defensive player on the rush is always trying to take out the starting QB for the game. At every level.
 
2012-03-21 04:32:21 PM  
Ok, guys, what should the award for the Williams look like? We've got two horses' asses for The JakeTM, what should we do for The WilliamsTM pending?

A Bobba Fett helmet? A giant gold schlong? Maybe a picture of a dog's anus...
 
2012-03-21 04:32:30 PM  

robsul82: themeaningoflifeisnot: If the NFL has credible evidence of players being rewarded financially for causing actual injuries to targeted players, it should be turned over to law enforcement for investigation of and possible prosecution for criminal conspiracy and assault.

Again, I have the vapors. Get real, man.


We'll see when the details come out whether this was just some minor "boys playing hard" thing. Somehow, I doubt that it is when Goodell comes out and says unambiguously that there was a player injury bounty scheme in place AND that the players embraced it enthusiastically without concern for the welfare of their fellow NFL players. That's a very strong indictment of the Saints, and it is not likely to have been made without substantial proof that something was seriously wrong.
 
2012-03-21 04:32:30 PM  

robsul82: SoCalSurfer: Also, has brees signed his franchise tender yet?

That'd be a no.



Hmm...makes you think. What are the rules on that anyway. No chance he would be a restricted free agent right?
 
2012-03-21 04:33:05 PM  

dellsworth1007: and everyone thought that Suh was a dirty player...At least he doesn't do this kinda thing for money.


You're right, doing it for the enjoyment of it is much better.
 
2012-03-21 04:33:10 PM  

Marine1: Ok, guys, what should the award for the Williams look like? We've got two horses' asses for The JakeTM, what should we do for The WilliamsTM pending?

A Bobba Fett helmet? A giant gold schlong? Maybe a picture of a dog's anus...


A Penn State helmet?
 
2012-03-21 04:33:37 PM  

JohnBigBootay: downstairs: 2. I doubt any coach would take a one-year job.

HA! Maybe not the elite candidates who can get a long-term deal elsewhere. But there's 32 multi-million dollar jobs at that level and hundreds of guys (well, at least 'dozens') would kill to be candidates.


Yeah, but if you're going to replace the coach from outside for one year... its gotta be an elite hall-of-fame worthy coach. Otherwise its best to stick with the current OC on the Saints.

I mean, you wouldn't bring in some *other* OC to be head coach, when the one you got has worked with the system. A great, great system.
 
2012-03-21 04:34:31 PM  

Tom_Slick: Trying to gain a competitive advantage by knocking the other teams star players out of the game makes the league look like a prison rec yard pick up game


Also there's the whole lying to the NFL about it angle.
 
2012-03-21 04:34:37 PM  
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Perfect for my Saints....Knows a lot about bounties and already has a mullet.
 
2012-03-21 04:34:53 PM  

dellsworth1007: TwoBeersOneCan: Good. The Saints' cheating has been punished, and now we wait to see what happens to their dirty, dirty players.

/This is much closer to justice than what I imagined the NFL would be willing to do.

and everyone thought that Suh was a dirty player...At least he doesn't do this kinda thing for money.


More importantly, he doesn't premeditate it then lie for years about it.
 
2012-03-21 04:35:44 PM  

Marine1: Ok, guys, what should the award for the Williams look like? We've got two horses' asses for The JakeTM, what should we do for The WilliamsTM pending?

A Bobba Fett helmet? A giant gold schlong? Maybe a picture of a dog's anus...


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2012-03-21 04:35:56 PM  

dellsworth1007: TwoBeersOneCan: Good. The Saints' cheating has been punished, and now we wait to see what happens to their dirty, dirty players.

/This is much closer to justice than what I imagined the NFL would be willing to do.

and everyone thought that Suh was a dirty player...At least he doesn't do this kinda thing for extra money.


FTFY. He's well paid for his efforts. Its all figured in.
 
2012-03-21 04:35:59 PM  

IAmRight: JFSP, every locker room across the league has these, though not as thoroughly (and idiotically) documented. Every damn defensive player on the rush is always trying to take out the starting QB for the game. At every level.


No farking kidding. What do you think those stickers are on the college players' helmets, for perfect attendance?

Tom_Slick: by knocking the other teams star players out of the game


You're talking about football, you know. That is what happens every game.

IAmRight: dellsworth1007: and everyone thought that Suh was a dirty player...At least he doesn't do this kinda thing for money.

You're right, doing it for the enjoyment of it is much better.


Yeah, imagine how bad Suh would be for a $1,000 envelope in his locker.
 
2012-03-21 04:36:34 PM  
The obvious thing to do here is to find Kevin Gilbride and punch him.

/Kinda disappointed in the lack of Buddy Ryan in this thread.
 
2012-03-21 04:36:45 PM  

netweavr: Marine1: Ok, guys, what should the award for the Williams look like? We've got two horses' asses for The JakeTM, what should we do for The WilliamsTM pending?

A Bobba Fett helmet? A giant gold schlong? Maybe a picture of a dog's anus...

A Penn State helmet?


Oooooooh... man... I don't know. I mean, Sandusky is too despicable to be immortalized in an award... know what I'm saying? I like the direction you're taking, though.

Hmmmmm... throw out more ideas here, guys.
 
2012-03-21 04:37:11 PM  

Marine1: netweavr: Marine1: Ok, guys, what should the award for the Williams look like? We've got two horses' asses for The JakeTM, what should we do for The WilliamsTM pending?

A Bobba Fett helmet? A giant gold schlong? Maybe a picture of a dog's anus...

A Penn State helmet?

Oooooooh... man... I don't know. I mean, Sandusky is too despicable to be immortalized in an award... know what I'm saying? I like the direction you're taking, though.

Hmmmmm... throw out more ideas here, guys.


A showerhead?
 
2012-03-21 04:37:27 PM  

downstairs: Otherwise its best to stick with the current OC on the Saints.


That's what I'd do. I'd hire SOME GUY to help with the admin stuff he won't have time for but if the intent is to have Payton back, and I have to assume it is, the I'd just keep it in house and make the hire an assistant, not a high profile one year HC replacement.
 
2012-03-21 04:37:52 PM  
There's a difference between laying a big hit on a QB and trying to injure him.
 
2012-03-21 04:38:19 PM  
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I would have come, but have you gotten a good look at the women's feet wading through Bourbon Street garbage after Mardi Gras? Farking Hobbitses I tells ya'.
 
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