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(MSNBC)   While only giving your children bottled water may prevent Obama from controlling their minds through the neuro-socialist transmitters contained within fluoride, it can also make them more susceptible to cavities. Ah, well, life's a balance   (vitals.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 132
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2012-03-21 12:09:38 PM
www.gonemovies.com

"Small price to pay."
 
2012-03-21 12:18:19 PM
The water in my area has been unfluoridated for years (since I was a child). My son's pediatrician gave him chewable fluoride tablets to take once daily.
 
2012-03-21 12:22:14 PM
Fluorites: It's got what teeth crave!
 
2012-03-21 12:41:16 PM
There is no reason to give your kid bottled water unless you live in one of the very few places in the country that have truly crappy tapwater (e.g. Tucson). Bottled water is stupid for a multitude of reasons. It's expensive, it exposes you to chemicals leached from the plastic (which often becomes litter), it's often inferior in quality to tap water, etc.
 
2012-03-21 12:43:31 PM
Oh, you think that evil 0bama doesn't have his filthy muslim paws in the bottled water industry? Everyone knows that the bottled water has three times the amount of commie juice in it than municipal tap water! You drink that and soon you'll be having premarital sex and having two abortions a week, even if you're a dude. Why do you think bottled water is so popular on college campuses, after all?
 
2012-03-21 12:52:12 PM
The material that leaches out of the plastic bottle into bottled water (BPA) is far, far worse for you than a little bit of fluoride.
 
2012-03-21 01:01:54 PM
Here's a fun experiment. Check back on the amount of cavities kids within a low age group had PRE-fluoridation, decades ago and compare them with today's rates.

I recall when they started adding fluoride to drinking water and everyone thought it was great. Forty years later, every other nut job with internet access is biatching about the harm it can cause.

Since makers of bottled water manage to achieve a 400 to 600% profit on their products, naturally they're going to promote it as healthier than anything else in the world -- and people are going to believe it after decades of news reports informing them of nasty things in the drinking water.

I watched an ad for Nestles Bottled water where a kids sports team were told that replacing sweat with pure water was the BEST way to re-hydrate. I suspect the medical community might have a problem with that, since they embraced Gatorade, knowing that vigorous activity not only drains a person of water, but of vital electrolytes and salts. It's even used in hospitals.

I don't know if any of you recall how coaches for high school football teams always carried salt and malted milk tablets to give to the players along with their water. Folks working in the heat usually carried salt tablets because water by itself did not replace the salt they sweated out.

Nearly every community water system in the US is fluoridated. Every system also filters and processes it's water to make it pure and remove harmful bacteria. It seems those pure mountain streams much lauded over the decades have the potential to rot your guts due to things like animal feces and such deposited up stream.
Watch any of the survival programs on TV and they'll point this out.

So, your tap water is usually just fine. If you want it a bit better, use an OTC water filter, which doesn't remove the fluorine. Actually, wash out and refill those empty water bottles and save yourself a bundle.

And, if your kid is into vigorous sports, provide him or her with an electrolyte replacing drink. Gatorade or even Pediolyte are excellent.

While pure water is good and vital, there are many instances where it is lacking necessary minerals.
 
2012-03-21 01:26:14 PM
Does anyone know if something as simple as a Brita filter can remove Fluoride from water?
 
2012-03-21 01:52:44 PM

Cythraul: Does anyone know if something as simple as a Brita filter can remove Fluoride from water?


Nope.

Link 1 (new window)

Link 2 (new window)
 
2012-03-21 01:55:45 PM

SpaceyCat: Cythraul: Does anyone know if something as simple as a Brita filter can remove Fluoride from water?

Nope.

Link 1 (new window)

Link 2 (new window)


Oh, good. Thanks.
 
2012-03-21 02:09:15 PM
General Ripper was not the hero in Dr. Strangelove, people.
 
2012-03-21 02:53:05 PM
I can't believe we've made it this far without someone trying to sell Bible Water.
 
2012-03-21 03:14:07 PM
If anyone can control children, I'm all for it.

/Damn neighborhood kids.
 
2012-03-21 03:14:15 PM

DjangoStonereaver: "Small price to pay."


And done in 1.
 
2012-03-21 03:15:58 PM
or you could live away from the municipal water supply, have your own well and have the same issues

all the kids now have a toothpaste with extra flouride
 
2012-03-21 03:17:26 PM
So the tap water where I live actually leaves me more dehydrated after drinking it. I am guessing it is hard with some mineral, but no idea what it is or how to fix it. I use a britta filter, but it doesn't do the job. Anyone know what it could be, and how to fix it?
 
2012-03-21 03:18:11 PM

machoprogrammer: So the tap water where I live actually leaves me more dehydrated after drinking it. I am guessing it is hard with some mineral, but no idea what it is or how to fix it. I use a britta filter, but it doesn't do the job. Anyone know what it could be, and how to fix it?


maybe it has a salt?
 
2012-03-21 03:18:30 PM
1. Well water that goes through a reverse osmosis filtration system. Water's free aside from the electricity that powers the pump. Honestly the best water I have ever tasted. No flouride.

2. A 6-year-old son who drinks unflouridated water every day, and has never had a cavity, because of a little invention called "tooth paste."

Amazing.
 
2012-03-21 03:19:43 PM
Oh boy I love these threads.
 
2012-03-21 03:19:45 PM

machoprogrammer: So the tap water where I live actually leaves me more dehydrated after drinking it. I am guessing it is hard with some mineral, but no idea what it is or how to fix it. I use a britta filter, but it doesn't do the job. Anyone know what it could be, and how to fix it?


http://www.zerowater.com/

I have no idea if it actually works, but it's at least something different. If Brita doesn't do the trick then I'm assuming one of its competing brands that basically work the same way won't either.
 
2012-03-21 03:22:17 PM

DjangoStonereaver: [www.gonemovies.com image 640x425]

"Small price to pay."


Done in one

/Women sense my power and they seek the life essence
 
2012-03-21 03:22:32 PM
I remember back in the 80s there was a big "debate" (at least to the extent that a group of braying idiots screaming about things they don't understand and refuse to learn about can be called one side of a "debate") about the safety of water fluoridation. Is that still going on or have all the crazy people moved on to other stupid things like vaccinations?

GORDON: 2. A 6-year-old son who drinks unflouridated water every day, and has never had a cavity, because of a little invention called "tooth paste."


Because nobody anywhere on the planet has teeth that are misaligned or shaped in a way that makes it nearly impossible for a toothbrush and flossing to reach some spots so nobody could ever possibly need simple and effective supplementary protections. Clearly you are a god among men and we should all turn to you and bask in your infinite wisdom for we are just dirty and ignorant peasants next to you, all-knowing one.
 
2012-03-21 03:24:15 PM

randomjsa: http://www.zerowater.com/

I have no idea if it actually works, but it's at least something different. If Brita doesn't do the trick then I'm assuming one of its competing brands that basically work the same way won't either.



I may give that a try. Thanks!

loonatic112358: maybe it has a salt?


It doesn't taste salty. I was thinking a manganese deposit or something like that.
 
2012-03-21 03:24:27 PM
www.gonemovies.com

...precious bodily fluids.
 
2012-03-21 03:26:20 PM

GORDON: 1. Well water that goes through a reverse osmosis filtration system. Water's free aside from the electricity that powers the pump. Honestly the best water I have ever tasted. No flouride.

2. A 6-year-old son who drinks unflouridated water every day, and has never had a cavity, because of a little invention called "tooth paste."

Amazing.


I'll see your anecdote and raise you mine.

Despite brushing and flossing, my 5 year old has steel caps on his molars because the tops just vanished one day.

Turns out, his teeth have some natural nooks and crannies that even the best brushing will never reach the inside of, and food gets stuck there.

My city doesn't fluoridate the water either, so the nooks and crannies didn't help things.
 
2012-03-21 03:30:12 PM

machoprogrammer: It doesn't taste salty. I was thinking a manganese deposit or something like that.


There are lots of different kinds of sodium and they don't all taste like table salt. If what you're drinking is raising your sodium levels substantially it could make you demand more fluid.

Still... I'm no expert by a long shot, but I'd think you'd have to have an obnoxiously high sodium content in your water to get to that stage. Do you have a water softener by any chance?
 
2012-03-21 03:31:01 PM
what's a cavity? i call them caries.
 
2012-03-21 03:32:08 PM

Bathia_Mapes: The water in my area has been unfluoridated for years (since I was a child). My son's pediatrician gave him chewable fluoride tablets to take once daily.


I grew up on unfluoridated well water. Took chewable fluoride, too. I've had the occasional cavity as an adult (and that is my own fault, as I tend to forget to floss), but my baby teeth were just fine.

/Toothpaste also has fluoride.
//Is no more paranoid about that than the chlorine in city tapwater.
///But chlorine tastes nasty, so yay for filters.
 
2012-03-21 03:32:38 PM
My mother and I were discussing the other day how neither my brother nor I have ever had any cavities. She thanks the fluoride (sp?) for that. I told her she was being ridiculous but she tells me in her day everyone got cavities all the time.
 
2012-03-21 03:32:52 PM

ricewater_stool: The material that leaches out of the plastic bottle into bottled water (BPA) is far, far worse for you than a little bit of fluoride.


No. It isn't. Not in the amounts that leach out. No evidence at all. You're as bad as the "no-fluoride" nitwits. Are you also scared of gluten?
 
2012-03-21 03:34:01 PM
I drink only distilled water, or rainwater, and only pure-grain alcohol.
 
2012-03-21 03:34:42 PM

machoprogrammer: It doesn't taste salty. I was thinking a manganese deposit or somethi


One of the spots I lived in Houston had too much chlorine in the water. -Apparently used to clean it or something I guess. I tested the water and found out that was the problem. Then I called the local water folks who didn't care to fix it and claimed the levels were fine (they weren't).

Then I paid for a chlorine filter for my water... magically the awful taste and drying out of my skin went away. -When my lease was up, I moved. -No point in poisoning myself.

/long boring point is just find a testing kit and figure out what it is if the local water department isn't willing to do it for you for free.
 
2012-03-21 03:35:04 PM

Splinshints: I remember back in the 80s there was a big "debate" (at least to the extent that a group of braying idiots screaming about things they don't understand and refuse to learn about can be called one side of a "debate") about the safety of water fluoridation. Is that still going on or have all the crazy people moved on to other stupid things like vaccinations?


Well, we're back to trying to make women feel like dirty whores for trying to not get pregnant, so sure, panicking about fluoridated water makes sense. What's old is new again. I missed the heavy drug use of the 70's, so I'm looking forward to that coming back around.
 
2012-03-21 03:35:09 PM

Splinshints: I remember back in the 80s there was a big "debate" (at least to the extent that a group of braying idiots screaming about things they don't understand and refuse to learn about can be called one side of a "debate") about the safety of water fluoridation. Is that still going on or have all the crazy people moved on to other stupid things like vaccinations?


So anyone who doesn't agree with your pre-existing views is crazy? Or would that only be for anyone who rightfully points out that in the last fifty years we've learned that simply ingesting flouride isn't going to help teeth? Or is that just anyone who decides to cite scientific studies on the harmful effects of flouride (in quantities not much greater, as such things go, than what we put in drinking water)?

Because nobody anywhere on the planet has teeth that are misaligned or shaped in a way that makes it nearly impossible for a toothbrush and flossing to reach some spots so nobody could ever possibly need simple and effective supplementary protections. Clearly you are a god among men and we should all turn to you and bask in your infinite wisdom for we are just dirty and ignorant peasants next to you, all-knowing one.

Then the fluoride in the toothpaste will get there. Or the fluoride in the mouth wash. You know, sources of flouride that actually hit the teeth instead of mostly ending up in the kid's gut.
 
2012-03-21 03:36:22 PM
"While pure water is good and vital, there are many instances where it is lacking necessary minerals......"

Exactly, and that is why me and the kids only drink fresh water from the spring that flows out of the Anthracite coal mine up behind the house.
 
2012-03-21 03:38:55 PM

Splinshints: Do you have a water softener by any chance?


Nope, I live in an apartment, which is even more strange that no one has brought it up.

Gabrielmot: /long boring point is just find a testing kit and figure out what it is if the local water department isn't willing to do it for you for free.


I should try that. Thanks!
 
2012-03-21 03:39:38 PM

Bathia_Mapes: The water in my area has been unfluoridated for years (since I was a child). My son's pediatrician gave him chewable fluoride tablets to take once daily.


Careful with those - I OD'd on them as a child (yummy candy!) and ended up with discolored permanent teeth that required bonding as a teen. They're hard as hell, though - I can crack walnuts with 'em.

Lived in the UK for a few years, though (no fluoride, dentistry, eggs left at room temp), and came running back to the US to save my teeth.
 
2012-03-21 03:40:58 PM

Splinshints:

GORDON: 2. A 6-year-old son who drinks unflouridated water every day, and has never had a cavity, because of a little invention called "tooth paste."

Because nobody anywhere on the planet has teeth that are misaligned or shaped in a way that makes it nearly impossible for a toothbrush and flossing to reach some spots so nobody could ever possibly need simple and effective supplementary protections. Clearly you are a god among men and we should all turn to you and bask in your infinite wisdom for we are just dirty and ignorant peasants next to you, all-knowing one.


This is absolutely correct, and you have shown yourself to be slightly better than your peers by recognizing it.

Good for you.
 
2012-03-21 03:41:32 PM

Canton: Bathia_Mapes: The water in my area has been unfluoridated for years (since I was a child). My son's pediatrician gave him chewable fluoride tablets to take once daily.

I grew up on unfluoridated well water. Took chewable fluoride, too. I've had the occasional cavity as an adult (and that is my own fault, as I tend to forget to floss), but my baby teeth were just fine.

/Toothpaste also has fluoride.
//Is no more paranoid about that than the chlorine in city tapwater.
///But chlorine tastes nasty, so yay for filters.


My house:

Pristine well water, neutral hardness with nothing more than some minor iron intrusion from the well pipe which we deal with using an oxidizing venturi valve.

I pulled the sacrificial anode out of the 13 year old water heater last month and it's still about 90% intact. We're very fortunate to have such good water and it also has a nice side benefit of reducing wear and tear on appliances that use water.

Number of cavities for my 8 year old daughter throughout her life: 0
Reason: She brushes her farkin` teeth twice a day, flosses and rinses with the kids fluoride mouthwash.

We grew up on fluoridated water and had it for years. The water always had an unpleasant odor. Not so anymore.
 
2012-03-21 03:43:51 PM

meat0918: GORDON: 1. Well water that goes through a reverse osmosis filtration system. Water's free aside from the electricity that powers the pump. Honestly the best water I have ever tasted. No flouride.

2. A 6-year-old son who drinks unflouridated water every day, and has never had a cavity, because of a little invention called "tooth paste."

Amazing.

I'll see your anecdote and raise you mine.

Despite brushing and flossing, my 5 year old has steel caps on his molars because the tops just vanished one day.

Turns out, his teeth have some natural nooks and crannies that even the best brushing will never reach the inside of, and food gets stuck there.

My city doesn't fluoridate the water either, so the nooks and crannies didn't help things.


I probably have the advantage of superior genes that I passed on to my son.
 
2012-03-21 03:44:10 PM
No fluoride in my town, so I give my 2 y/o a liquid supplement. I have seen nothing to indicate she is becoming more docile and easier to control.

The doctor said it has more to do with strengthen her still developing teeth more than the one's she already has.

Besides, kids are getting cavities for the same reason they are getting fat for the same reason they are fat.
 
2012-03-21 03:44:38 PM
Why would you want people to get fewer cavities? Tooth decay is a leading cause of job creation: from hygienists, and dentists right down to the tooth fairy.

Why do you hate America?
 
2012-03-21 03:45:29 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-03-21 03:47:02 PM

big pig peaches: No fluoride in my town, so I give my 2 y/o a liquid supplement. I have seen nothing to indicate she is becoming more docile and easier to control.

The doctor said it has more to do with strengthen her still developing teeth more than the one's she already has.

Besides, kids are getting cavities for the same reason they are getting fat for the same reason they are fat.


You said fat twice.
 
2012-03-21 03:47:20 PM
Who is dumb enough to believe that bottled water has no fluoride?

Even Culligan won't make that claim (and I've asked them).

Simply put, fluoride is toxic and there is absolutely no reason to ingest it. But hey, it has made lots of money for Alcoa, et al., who suddenly had a market for their aluminum manufacturing waste by-product.
 
2012-03-21 03:49:24 PM

Rakishi: You know, sources of flouride that actually hit the teeth instead of mostly ending up in the kid's gut.


Like in water? Or are you confusing water fluoridation with dietary supplements? And are you doing it on purpose to shift the debate or out of a more general sort of ignorance and mental laziness?

Rakishi: So anyone who doesn't agree with your pre-existing views is crazy?


Nobody said that except you.

Rakishi: Or would that only be for anyone who rightfully points out that in the last fifty years we've learned that simply ingesting flouride isn't going to help teeth?


Good thing that's not the point of fluoridating water, then, huh? Although I'm not sure why you brought this up since it has nothing to do with what's being discussed.

Rakishi: Or is that just anyone who decides to cite scientific studies on the harmful effects of flouride


I don't see why you'd need to do that. I don't think anybody is laboring under the delusion that fluoride isn't highly toxic. In fact, a hundred or two hundred kids a year get sick from intentionally eating toothpaste. It's not exactly an uncommon problem. Thankfully, even as massively concentrated (relative to treated water, anyway) as fluoride is in toothpaste, "a tummy ache" is usually the extent of the damage.

Rakishi: in quantities not much greater, as such things go, than what we put in drinking water


Maybe in your drinking water. My town doesn't hire comical idiots to handle the water supply so the highly diluted fluoride in the water provides no risk to the population.

/ in case you were wondering, yes, you're one of the crazy people
 
2012-03-21 03:50:11 PM
Some dentists also say that medicating people through a town's water supply system doesn't really make good sense with regards to dosage.

I used to go with whatever a doctor said until I realized that opposing opinions also have a foundation in research, science and fact.
 
2012-03-21 03:51:35 PM

GORDON: 2. A 6-year-old son who drinks unflouridated water every day, and has never had a cavity, because of a little invention called "tooth paste."


so much this. there is no link to drinking flouride and better teeth (and some indication of health problems) and LOADS of a link between brushing your teeth with fouride toothpaste and less cavities.

big pig peaches: Besides, kids are getting cavities for the same reason they are getting fat for the same reason they are fat.


What is this I don`t even I don`t even...
 
2012-03-21 03:52:26 PM
Yeah, but they don't show up on government satellites, so that's a plus.

Isn't bottled water just tap water from elsewhere and therefore has some fluoride?
 
2012-03-21 03:52:33 PM
I live in hippy country and here, people talk about the unhealthy side affects of fluoridating water. Always 2 sides to an argument, even a stupid one.

Dangers of fluoride (new window)

Wikipedia - Water fluoridation controversy (new window)

This article states the ADA admits fluoridation is bad (new window)

If you want an opposing view, you can find it on the internet
 
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