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2012-03-21 02:11:14 PM
As tragic as all of this, the fact that the victim was black automatically elevates him to martyr status in the Huffington Post whatever the facts or the outcome of this is. Is it tragic that he died? Yes of course. Do liberals worry about black on black violence? Of course not, to them it doesn't even exist.
 
2012-03-21 02:11:20 PM

9beers: I'd also like to add that there's no way that I'm getting dragged into a 3rd day in a row of the same farking thread. There's absolutely no reason for this thread to exist other than page views.


We already had this thread yesterday. I thought he said "coons." it was discussed at length. Old news......so exciting.
 
2012-03-21 02:11:29 PM

inner ted: Calmamity: tallguywithglasseson: Calmamity: That law has fu*k all to do with this case. We shouldn't even be talking about it.

lol, right, except it's why the cops let him go. But we shouldn't be talking about it.
Whether it's an unintended consequence or not, we shouldn't be talking about it.

That's fine. What I meant is that it should not be a part of this case. "We shouldn't have to be talking about it" would be more accurate, I suppose.

Zimmerman was clearly the aggressor here, and should be on trial for it. Even if the first thing Martin did was punch Z in the nose, Z is still the aggressor for chasing the kid around and confronting him for no reason.

Duty To Run Away Like A Coward And Get Shot In The Back is BS, too.

so you advocate that after being assaulted, you should not seek to apprehend nor prosecute the offender? in fact, you are stating that not only should you not apprehend a criminal, but we should all go around punching each other in the face with impunity.

please tell me how i misinterpreted your statement.


If I run up and confront you on the street, and you punch me in the face, is that self defense? That sounds like self defense to me. So the question is, can you shoot someone who hit you in self defense?
 
2012-03-21 02:11:45 PM
Racist don't use the word coon anymore.
 
2012-03-21 02:12:26 PM
I started a neighborhood watch on my street because of a growing crime problem and I can safely tell you that the people that keep me up at night are not the criminals but some of the people that want to join. Every meeting we have, we, along with our liaison police officer, go over and over again...no guns. We are a neighborhood watch. We watch things and if it looks suspicious we report it. It's all about communicating with your neighbors and looking out for one another. We've been really successful, but every once in a while some guy that's just a little too twitchy will show up. Had a guy show up with a gun once. Told him to take it home or don't associate with us at all. They are all wannabee cops who have a chip on their shoulder or want to feel powerful. I just wanted to have my neighbors know me well enough to keep an eye on my house if I travel. That's it. That's all a neighborhood watch is. These idiots are actually dumber and have less self control than the gang members or other characters that they are so mad at.

After this I'm considering folding the whole thing up. I've learned that all a watch should do is keep all the neighbors in contact with each other and friendly. In a sane world, you shouldn't need the watch at all. Just go out and say hi to your neighbor and get to know them.
 
2012-03-21 02:12:45 PM

pxsteel: I love how Hispanic/Latino's are brown people when it comes to the illegal immigration discussions, but all of a sudden now they are white.


Where is this shiat coming from? I can see making a mistake here, as the dude is half white and named Zimmerman.

And just so everyone is clear, there are racist Hispanic people.
 
2012-03-21 02:12:48 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: No body seems to have answered the question though, did Martin have any reason to be there? Not that you don't have a perfect right to walk where you want to, but if he didn't have any reason to be in a gated community it does call into question his own motivations. I haven't been able to find out if he lived in the neighborhood he was shot in. Does anybody know why he was there?


You might try reading the news articles on the subject
 
2012-03-21 02:13:43 PM

Phinn: What was Trayvon, a Miami-area student athlete, doing in Sanford on a Sunday night?


Purchasing candy.
 
2012-03-21 02:13:49 PM
Oh bullshiat. I could have told you the second this law was passed that this would happen. I probably did say exactly that when this law was being debated. This was entirely predicable, as was the police department's approval.

Yeah, you're right, we should just repeal all laws that can be broken or abused.

Anyway, whether whomever supports them or not, the NRA has been very influential in the passing of so-called "castle doctrine" laws, and part of that is to push a certain public understanding of the legal definition of "duty to retreat".

But Castle Doctrine does not apply here. Zimmerman was not protecting his own property - he was out looking for trouble. The "duty to retreat" is independent of Castle Doctrine - it's argued for/against in all self-defense laws. Castle Doctrine is a subset of self-defense. While emphatically NOT an NRA member, I do applaud the argument that no person should have the duty to retreat from their own property...but again, Zimmerman was not protecting anything - he left his vehicle to confront Martin.

If anything, Martin had the reasonable expectation of applying deadly force against Zimmerman.
 
2012-03-21 02:14:00 PM

vpb: Probably not. Possibly the opposite. The word "coon" doesn't end in a hard "K" sound, the right is going to claim that this is an example of "playing the race card" and try to make this into a major scandal.
Heres the link to the audio:
Link (new window)


OK, he said punks--I take it all back. Although I can still hear the "coon" if I wanted to.
 
2012-03-21 02:14:22 PM
So, do all the people who hear "punks" in the video have accents or something? He's clearly saying coons. You have to be hard of hearing or in denial if you're still not hearing it at this point.
 
2012-03-21 02:14:39 PM

HotWingConspiracy: People that defend him are much like the poor people that defend the rich. They think they're going to kill a black kid at some point in the future, so they want to make sure it's as safe as possible.


White people that have already convicted him of a hate crime in their minds are like rich people who support liberal causes. They're afraid they're going to be black teenagers in a future life and want to be able to case houses for potential burglaries without getting harrassed by the man.

/no more stupid than your analogy.
//actually, I'm more concerned about the pro-gun folks who are defending the law - "oh it's being misinterpreted!!". This is a prime example of what can happen when you let vigilante lunatics write gun laws: Vigilante lunatics end up shooting people who don't deserve to be shot.
 
2012-03-21 02:16:11 PM

nekom: penthesilea: ABC News reported exclusively the existence of a phone call between Martin and his girlfriend, which detailed the last terrifying moments of Martin's life as he was pursued, accosted and shot dead by George Zimmerman. (new window)

allegations of police misconduct, including a charge by one eyewitness that an officer on the scene of Martin's shooting told her to change her story. The witness says she stated that Martin had been screaming for help before he was shot, but that the officer "corrected" her and insisted it was Zimmerman who'd called for help (new window)

More & more info is coming out now that the story has gone national. I hope that this gets investigated thoroughly and goes to trial.

NPR had a really interesting bit on that yesterday. The "I'm not going to run, I'll just walk fast" was interesting. They had a man (who I would presume was African American) say that basically "Oh yeah, we're [blacks] all told from a young age how to act. Don't run with anything in your hand, don't mouth off to the cops, don't make fast movements, because they always suspect us." That's paraphrased, I don't remember exactly how he said it, but how sad is it that a certain group of people have to pass down through the generations "how to act" so that they can avoid trouble?


Wow. This is way parents of all children tell them to act if they are approached by police. Nice way to make a racial issue out of it.
 
2012-03-21 02:16:48 PM
I listened to the audio wanting to hear "coons" because I think this guy needs to be locked up, or at least get some serious help, but it definitely sounds like "punks".

I don't even think he wanted to shoot somebody, much less a black person, I think he just had some false sense of vigilantism that, had the person actually been armed and committing a crime (that would lead to bodily harm to some person) would have been justified, except this guy's mind seemed to have made up a scenario that wasn't actually true.

That being said, I still think he needs to be locked up. He wasn't a cop, the victim wasn't a criminal, and now his life, along with the victims, is totally farked. Common sense is a valuable thing.
 
2012-03-21 02:16:52 PM
Here's my hypothesis. The guy I think suffered from what I call "Hero disease". As a neighborhood watch guy in a gated community, he managed to stop one or two crimes from happening. It probably made him feel like a hero, and his neighbors, family, friends etc all thought highly of him for it. But people tend to forget over time, don't they? What I imagine happened is this guy got a taste of being a hero, and wanted it again. He liked being in the limelight. He liked being looked up to. But what are you going to do when there isn't a crime to bust? Simple. You find a guy who might do something wrong and pressure him until he does. This is what I believe might have happened here.
 
2012-03-21 02:16:52 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: So, do all the people who hear "punks" in the video have accents or something? He's clearly saying coons. You have to be hard of hearing or in denial if you're still not hearing it at this point.


Zimmerman is a slimebag who should go away for ever.

Yet he clearly said "punks" IMO.
 
2012-03-21 02:17:27 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Phinn: What was Trayvon, a Miami-area student athlete, doing in Sanford on a Sunday night?

Purchasing candy.


Hmm. That would have made it difficult for him to get from his father's 51% non-white neighborhood all the way back to Miami in time for his honors classes bright and early the next morning.

I wonder if the crime spree in this "gated community" has stopped.
 
2012-03-21 02:18:08 PM

cryinoutloud: vpb: Probably not. Possibly the opposite. The word "coon" doesn't end in a hard "K" sound, the right is going to claim that this is an example of "playing the race card" and try to make this into a major scandal.
Heres the link to the audio:
Link (new window)

OK, he said punks--I take it all back. Although I can still hear the "coon" if I wanted to.


Yeah, it is pretty garbled. One version I heard sounded very much like "coons", another sounded more like "punks", with the "P" sound being quite pronounced. I'm going wwith "punks"

Doesn't change the fact that he almost certainly murdered this kid
 
2012-03-21 02:18:15 PM
Florida trees bear strange fruit.
Blood on the leaves. Blood at the root.
 
2012-03-21 02:18:36 PM

inner ted: Calmamity: tallguywithglasseson: Calmamity: That law has fu*k all to do with this case. We shouldn't even be talking about it.

lol, right, except it's why the cops let him go. But we shouldn't be talking about it.
Whether it's an unintended consequence or not, we shouldn't be talking about it.

That's fine. What I meant is that it should not be a part of this case. "We shouldn't have to be talking about it" would be more accurate, I suppose.

Zimmerman was clearly the aggressor here, and should be on trial for it. Even if the first thing Martin did was punch Z in the nose, Z is still the aggressor for chasing the kid around and confronting him for no reason.

Duty To Run Away Like A Coward And Get Shot In The Back is BS, too.

so you advocate that after being assaulted, you should not seek to apprehend nor prosecute the offender? in fact, you are stating that not only should you not apprehend a criminal, but we should all go around punching each other in the face with impunity.

please tell me how i misinterpreted your statement.


A: Completely.
 
2012-03-21 02:19:09 PM

Phinn: HotWingConspiracy: Phinn: What was Trayvon, a Miami-area student athlete, doing in Sanford on a Sunday night?

Purchasing candy.

Hmm. That would have made it difficult for him to get from his father's 51% non-white neighborhood all the way back to Miami in time for his honors classes bright and early the next morning.

I wonder if the crime spree in this "gated community" has stopped.


Get a load of Dick Tracy Jr. here.
 
2012-03-21 02:19:31 PM
It doesn't change my opinion, but then, I had no opinion to change: I hadn't heard of this case before now.

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Splinshints: How the fark do you start chasing a teenager down the street, admit it on the phone with a 911 operator, and then claim anything that came after that as self defense?

Especially when he himself admits the kid was running away


...and that, ultimately, is what I consider the core fact here: the threat had been neutralized well before any shots were fired. That fact, all by itself, is enough to negate any claim to self-defense. The slurs make for some very nice icing on the prosecutor's cake, but they aren't needed to prove that there was no self-defense here.
 
2012-03-21 02:19:34 PM

Cpl.D: As a neighborhood watch guy in a gated community, he managed to stop one or two crimes from happening.


I sincerely doubt that.
 
2012-03-21 02:20:32 PM
Response from the city manager to the question of why Zimmerman wasn't arrested.

When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman
provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by
physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from
making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when
any police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she
is making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and
in bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.


Face facts people, you're being sucked into the mob mentality of this and completely ignoring the facts. I get it though, everybody wants to be part of the cause of the week.
 
2012-03-21 02:20:43 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: /no more stupid than your analogy.


Actually it kind of was.
 
2012-03-21 02:20:46 PM
cdn7.fotosearch.com
 
2012-03-21 02:21:07 PM

RexTalionis: Headso: What we need to do is just keep everyone in different areas that each have similar features.
I had my lips surgically removed. I demand my own city.


LOL. Sorry, we don't have enough resources for that. You're going to be put in the city with "girls who make duckfaces." And none of them are attracted to you. :(
 
2012-03-21 02:21:30 PM
have any rumors started in freeperville that Zimmerman was an Obama plant, so Eric Holder could take our guns?

like they took 'er jerbs!
 
2012-03-21 02:21:39 PM

9beers: Response from the city manager to the question of why Zimmerman wasn't arrested.

When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman
provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by
physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from
making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when
any police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she
is making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and
in bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.


Face facts people, you're being sucked into the mob mentality of this and completely ignoring the facts. I get it though, everybody wants to be part of the cause of the week.


Sounds totally legit.
 
2012-03-21 02:21:41 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Phinn: What was Trayvon, a Miami-area student athlete, doing in Sanford on a Sunday night?

Purchasing candy.


RTFA, any of them. He was at his Dad's house, and coming back from the store. Twenty percent of the residents of that gated community are black, so the fact that Zimmerman thinks a black kid walking through the neighborhood is "suspicious" shows that he's not merely racist, but unhinged.
 
2012-03-21 02:22:01 PM
I like how hes been described as half hispanic
I have never heard that term before
 
2012-03-21 02:22:09 PM

vpb: Probably not. Possibly the opposite. The word "coon" doesn't end in a hard "K" sound, the right is going to claim that this is an example of "playing the race card" and try to make this into a major scandal.

Heres the link to the audio:
Link (new window)


Sounds to me like he says "f*cking punks".

/Haven't formed an opinion yet
//The "facts" being presented are still to variable, this thread being a perfect example.
///Guy does seem like a major Mall Ninja though.
 
2012-03-21 02:22:50 PM

Dear_Leader: I like how hes been described as half hispanic
I have never heard that term before


He's the panic half of hispanic.
 
2012-03-21 02:23:07 PM

vpb: Probably not. Possibly the opposite. The word "coon" doesn't end in a hard "K" sound, the right is going to claim that this is an example of "playing the race card" and try to make this into a major scandal.

Heres the link to the audio:
Link (new window)


He said "farking punks" -- let's not poison the already toxic situation with BS wishful thinking.

Mr. Dirty Harry killed an unarmed kid who was defending himself being harassed by a wannabe cop.
 
2012-03-21 02:23:10 PM
More from the city

If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this
investigation?


Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman "are you following
him". Zimmerman replied, "yes". The call taker stated "you don't need to do that". The call
taker's suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow.
Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to
meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.
 
2012-03-21 02:23:26 PM

djkutch: I'm very interested in the Martin family's attorney.
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Daaaamn.
 
2012-03-21 02:23:37 PM

Quark_Quasar: I listened to the audio wanting to hear "coons" because I think this guy needs to be locked up, or at least get some serious help, but it definitely sounds like "punks".


I'm the opposite. I've observed liberals hear whatever racist thing they want to hear (like that Santorum thing a month ago) and listened expecting to hear 'punks'. It's obviously not clear but after listening several times if I had to bet I would bet he did say 'coons'.

But it doesn't matter. He needs to go to jail anyway.
 
2012-03-21 02:23:40 PM

HailRobonia: Dear_Leader: I like how hes been described as half hispanic
I have never heard that term before

He's the panic half of hispanic.


Everybody halfspanic!
 
2012-03-21 02:23:56 PM

vpb: Probably not. Possibly the opposite. The word "coon" doesn't end in a hard "K" sound, the right is going to claim that this is an example of "playing the race card" and try to make this into a major scandal.

Heres the link to the audio:
Link (new window)


That "hard k" sounds more like him forcing out breathe while he ran through the neighborhood. Listen to the vowel sound.
 
2012-03-21 02:24:10 PM

djkutch: I'm very interested in the Martin family's attorney.
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Wuh? Really?
 
2012-03-21 02:24:18 PM
www.igorwaver.com
 
2012-03-21 02:24:24 PM

Phinn: I wonder if the crime spree in this "gated community" has stopped.


For you to wonder anything you'd actually have to be thinking, and nothing in your post suggests you have such capacity. If it weren't for the fact that you need to have flexible digits to use a keyboard I might have mistaken you for a lump of bituminous coal or possibly a petrified log.
 
2012-03-21 02:24:46 PM

9beers: Face facts people, you're being sucked into the mob mentality of this and completely ignoring the facts. I get it though, everybody wants to be part of the cause of the week.


Yeah, face facts people. This dude was shot and killed a kid he had just admitted to pursuing and the cops say they couldn't arrest him for it. What farking problem could you libtards have with that? What, you assholes think we should investigate every god damned coon that gets put down? Do you honestly believe picaninnies should be able to let their kids outside without fear they'll be murdered? That's just mob mentality. You're all racists.
 
2012-03-21 02:24:54 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Phinn: HotWingConspiracy: Phinn: What was Trayvon, a Miami-area student athlete, doing in Sanford on a Sunday night?

Purchasing candy.

Hmm. That would have made it difficult for him to get from his father's 51% non-white neighborhood all the way back to Miami in time for his honors classes bright and early the next morning.

I wonder if the crime spree in this "gated community" has stopped.

Get a load of Dick Tracy Jr. here.


Could be true. That is the problem here, wild conjecture and people having an absolute opinion without caring about what really happened. A black kid died, so liberals automatically scream bloody, skittley murder. Obama, Al, Justice Department, without knowing everything, automatically are gunning for the guy. Just is not right.

Remember the college professor, what was his name, Gates? Black guy flipped out on cops trying to protect his house, and Obama, on national news, called the cop wrong before even looking in to it? You liberals need to stop jumping to conclusions.
 
2012-03-21 02:25:05 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Phinn: What was Trayvon, a Miami-area student athlete, doing in Sanford on a Sunday night?

Purchasing candy.


Since a hooker's professional name is a proper noun, the 'c' in 'candy' should be capitalized: "Purchasing Candy".
 
2012-03-21 02:25:13 PM
Be a man and eat your gun, George.
 
2012-03-21 02:25:18 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: I'm the opposite. I've observed liberals hear whatever racist thing they want to hear (like that Santorum thing a month ago) and listened expecting to hear 'punks'. It's obviously not clear but after listening several times if I had to bet I would bet he did say 'coons'.


the blah people thing?
 
2012-03-21 02:25:24 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Sounds totally legit.


So you know more about the physical evidence and witness statements than the officers on the scene?

Leave the mob buddy, think for yourself.
 
2012-03-21 02:25:26 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: So, do all the people who hear "punks" in the video have accents or something? He's clearly saying coons. You have to be hard of hearing or in denial if you're still not hearing it at this point.


Stop trolling. He clearly said punks, not coons.
 
2012-03-21 02:25:40 PM

9beers: More from the city

If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this
investigation?

Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman "are you following
him". Zimmerman replied, "yes". The call taker stated "you don't need to do that". The call
taker's suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow.
Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to
meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.


Wooo! Four posts from the guy complaining about how we don't need another thread on this topic! Wooo!!!!!
 
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