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2012-03-21 11:20:11 AM

DBone44: 1.2 million abortions last yr (50 mil since 1973) vs 138 gunshots.... hmmm, comparable??

(http://prolifeaction.org/faq/abortion.php)


Clearly, the most unbiased source one could possibly find on the topic.
 
2012-03-21 11:20:37 AM

BurnShrike: I'm going to submit a bill that requires you to watch a video of someone playing a piano before you frame your baby.

[img11.imageshack.us image 320x239]


You could title it 'Lick my Love Prop".
 
2012-03-21 11:20:38 AM
I am in tears from that headline (and the pollen).

Either way, Bravo Subby
 
2012-03-21 11:20:54 AM

DBone44: 1.2 million abortions last yr (50 mil since 1973) vs 138 gunshots.... hmmm, comparable??


I thought the whole debate was about "sanctity of life", so anything greater than 0 should be a problem, eh?
 
2012-03-21 11:21:24 AM
Any lawmaker voting for across the board social services funding cuts should have to visit a government funded/run facility for the mentally disabled and spend a day taking care of them and cleaning their bedpans.
 
2012-03-21 11:21:25 AM

palelizard: A perfect curve up to batshiat crazy


Bravo, sir.
 
2012-03-21 11:21:33 AM

palelizard: We need to have more rules like this. I'm not saying all women are sluts, or that there are no times when it might be necessary to kill a baby, but really, most women just use abortions as secondary birth control, for when they forgot to bring condoms over to the apartment of their boyfriend of the week.

I think it's disgusting that women can willing go through with this procedure without any sort of thought or contemplation. I know Planned Parenthood isn't an abortion assembly line, but it's close and I'm sure they'd do it if they could. Pull the lever, turn the crank, press the button, BOOM, dead baby.

Some people claim the men are part of the process, and that's an understandable concern. However, biologically speaking, men are lustful creatures. God intended us to be fruitful. You're right, we should crack down on all the premarital sex. There's two easy ways to do it--one is to make it illegal to have premarital sex. Period. Any woman or man spending the night at a "friend's" residence (or sharing a hotel etc) should go to jail for a month, no trial, same procedure as a parking ticket. BAM, you'd cut down on it pretty quick. Prohibition and the War on Drugs has shown time and time again, the best way to reduce the quantity of a vice is to make it illegal. Oh, and no more birth control at all. Period.

Second, we need to stop women from being allowed to dress like tarted up prostitutes all the time. If you really look at bathing suits and most modern fashion, it's like women want to have abortions. They're begging to get pregnant. We need laws that force women to cover up more, hide their forms from men, maybe their faces too. They'd save on make-up, so that one should pass pretty easily.

Look, it's God's law. It should be our law. I don't understand why liberals are so against the natural order. You'd think they'd know better by now.


Masterfully done. [applause.gif]
 
2012-03-21 11:22:18 AM

DBone44: 1.2 million abortions last yr (50 mil since 1973) vs 138 gunshots.... hmmm, comparable??

(http://prolifeaction.org/faq/abortion.php)


Why would it be comparable? One category is women ending pregnancies by removing the fetus the other is people getting shot. I'd say the latter is worse. Both from a tragic standpoint and from a standpoint of what the crime rate will be 15-20 years from now.
 
2012-03-21 11:22:21 AM

madgonad: Is now the right time to mention that most abortions aren't surgical?

So watching a typical 'abortion' would just be watching a woman sitting in a room and taking a few pills.

/GOPtards just hate this reality
//they still cling to the idea of third trimester D&Xs which are really quite rare and almost always done for very good reasons


I don't think that's accurate

From Guttmacher:

"• Medication abortion accounted for 17% of all nonhospital abortions, and about one-quarter of abortions before nine weeks' gestation, in 2008.[2]"
 
2012-03-21 11:23:20 AM

palelizard: We need to have more rules like this. I'm not saying all women are sluts, or that there are no times when it might be necessary to kill a baby, but really, most women just use abortions as secondary birth control, for when they forgot to bring condoms over to the apartment of their boyfriend of the week.

I think it's disgusting that women can willing go through with this procedure without any sort of thought or contemplation. I know Planned Parenthood isn't an abortion assembly line, but it's close and I'm sure they'd do it if they could. Pull the lever, turn the crank, press the button, BOOM, dead baby.

Some people claim the men are part of the process, and that's an understandable concern. However, biologically speaking, men are lustful creatures. God intended us to be fruitful. You're right, we should crack down on all the premarital sex. There's two easy ways to do it--one is to make it illegal to have premarital sex. Period. Any woman or man spending the night at a "friend's" residence (or sharing a hotel etc) should go to jail for a month, no trial, same procedure as a parking ticket. BAM, you'd cut down on it pretty quick. Prohibition and the War on Drugs has shown time and time again, the best way to reduce the quantity of a vice is to make it illegal. Oh, and no more birth control at all. Period.

Second, we need to stop women from being allowed to dress like tarted up prostitutes all the time. If you really look at bathing suits and most modern fashion, it's like women want to have abortions. They're begging to get pregnant. We need laws that force women to cover up more, hide their forms from men, maybe their faces too. They'd save on make-up, so that one should pass pretty easily.

Look, it's God's law. It should be our law. I don't understand why liberals are so against the natural order. You'd think they'd know better by now.


*golf clap*
 
2012-03-21 11:23:34 AM
More hypocrisy from the party of "small government"
 
2012-03-21 11:23:47 AM

palelizard: stuff


That's clever, I was guessing right up til the end.
 
2012-03-21 11:24:58 AM

sigdiamond2000: Great headline.

 
2012-03-21 11:26:06 AM

BlousyBrown: I'm wondering when my right to vote will be taken away.


They're working on it...
Justice Scalia (new window): "Certainly the Constitution does not require discrimination on the basis of sex. The only issue is whether it prohibits it. It doesn't."
 
2012-03-21 11:26:07 AM
1) A man and a woman have sex leading to an unintended pregnancy.

2) The man and the woman know they cannot care for the child.

3) The man and the woman make the horrible choice to get an abortion.

4) The man and the woman gets punished.


Perhaps someone should explain to the GOP that it takes two people to make a baby.
 
2012-03-21 11:26:43 AM
I'm normally more worried by the shenanigans of libs, but FFS repubs, get off this abortion crap. You are starting to sound almost as controlling and dictatorial as libs do.
 
2012-03-21 11:26:59 AM

Trivia Jockey: What kind of woman would vote Republican this year?


The non-sluts.
 
2012-03-21 11:27:57 AM

THE GREAT NAME: I'm normally more worried by the shenanigans of libs, but FFS repubs, get off this abortion crap. You are starting to sound almost as controlling and dictatorial as libs do.


they've had a running start for decades
 
2012-03-21 11:28:19 AM

palelizard: We need to have more rules like this. I'm not saying all women are sluts, or that there are no times when it might be necessary to kill a baby, but really, most women just use abortions as secondary birth control, for when they forgot to bring condoms over to the apartment of their boyfriend of the week.

I think it's disgusting that women can willing go through with this procedure without any sort of thought or contemplation. I know Planned Parenthood isn't an abortion assembly line, but it's close and I'm sure they'd do it if they could. Pull the lever, turn the crank, press the button, BOOM, dead baby.

Some people claim the men are part of the process, and that's an understandable concern. However, biologically speaking, men are lustful creatures. God intended us to be fruitful. You're right, we should crack down on all the premarital sex. There's two easy ways to do it--one is to make it illegal to have premarital sex. Period. Any woman or man spending the night at a "friend's" residence (or sharing a hotel etc) should go to jail for a month, no trial, same procedure as a parking ticket. BAM, you'd cut down on it pretty quick. Prohibition and the War on Drugs has shown time and time again, the best way to reduce the quantity of a vice is to make it illegal. Oh, and no more birth control at all. Period.

Second, we need to stop women from being allowed to dress like tarted up prostitutes all the time. If you really look at bathing suits and most modern fashion, it's like women want to have abortions. They're begging to get pregnant. We need laws that force women to cover up more, hide their forms from men, maybe their faces too. They'd save on make-up, so that one should pass pretty easily.

Look, it's God's law. It should be our law. I don't understand why liberals are so against the natural order. You'd think they'd know better by now.


This is what the American Taliban seem to actually believe. I know it was meant to be satire, but it's pretty close to the real GOP positions.
 
2012-03-21 11:28:21 AM

Zombalupagus: 1) A man and a woman have sex leading to an unintended pregnancy.

2) The man and the woman know they cannot care for the child.

3) The man and the woman make the horrible choice to get an abortion.


Don't know about USA, but in UK it's the woman alone who makes all choices re children.

Still, I don't think they should be punished for doing so.
 
2012-03-21 11:28:29 AM

DBone44: 1.2 million abortions last yr (50 mil since 1973) vs 138 gunshots.... hmmm, comparable??


No. Children were killed every time by those gunshots. Some moms may have died during those abortions.
 
2012-03-21 11:30:02 AM

CheetahOlivetti: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'm introducing a bill that all abortions will be televised. That way everyone can watch.

We already have C-SPAN.


Heh. +1.
 
2012-03-21 11:31:19 AM
If men could get pregnant this would not be an issue. It would be celebrated.
I think I'll go get an abortion right now. Go ahead film it. Throw it on the t.v. after
those commercials with all the poor starving children.
 
2012-03-21 11:31:27 AM

ManateeGag: Now for my serious comment: Are these idiots working on the assumption that everyone who is getting an abortion is just a slut who can't keep her legs shut? What about little suzie who was raped by uncle steve at the family reunion or the women who are making a difficult choice so their baby doesn't live a life of complete suffering from birth to death. But is this a case of "screw them, they shouldn't be such whores"?


Please, tell us what percentage of women are murdering their unwanted children versus the number that are murdering children that were raped into them. I would like to know and I am sure you would like to know to back up your position since so many liberal stances on various issues seem to want to ignore the not so bad side of things when they argue for less freedom and what-not.
 
2012-03-21 11:32:08 AM
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2012-03-21 11:33:42 AM

ManateeGag: Now for my serious comment: Are these idiots working on the assumption that everyone who is getting an abortion is just a slut who can't keep her legs shut? What about little suzie who was raped by uncle steve at the family reunion or the women who are making a difficult choice so their baby doesn't live a life of complete suffering from birth to death. But is this a case of "screw them, they shouldn't be such whores"?


They tend to deny that pregnancy can result from rape.

onyxruby: The abortion watching idea is a crock. However I like the idea of watching a pregnancy and changing of a baby as being mandatory for high school sex ed classes.


Watching a pregnancy wouldn't help matters but I do like the idea of changing a baby. I also like the realistic dolls that students have to care for for a few days.

FeedTheCollapse: I definitely disagree with the ultrasounds, dissuasion tactics, etc. But I don't agree with solely framing abortion around rape/incest cases as it comes off to me as hand-waving away rape/incest instances (or sounding as if rape/incest is even more abnormally prevalent). The Rape/incest argument would probably better used to complement the "still born pregnancies, mother's life is at risk, etc." argument; with the latter taking to precedence to your argument. I take issue more with how the argument is delivered than the actual argument itself. On its own, the rape/incest argument distracts from the greater whole, IMO.


The reason so many of us bring up the rape/incest case is that it exposes the hypocrisy of most of the so-called pro-life people. If it was really about the fetus they would feel the same whether the conception was consensual or not. In my experience well over 90% of them don't.



How about another video:

You have to watch a childbirth video in order to get married.
 
2012-03-21 11:34:24 AM
My crazy right wing aunt in Alabama actually did this to my sister. My sister, being nice, just randomly drove from New Jersey to Alabama to visit my aunt and grandfather who was staying with my aunt at the time. So, my aunt sits my sister down, makes her watch an abortion video, and then makes my sister promise never to get one. I'm pretty sure my sister would still get one if she needed to, but holy shiat.
 
2012-03-21 11:34:31 AM

Trackball: ManateeGag: Now for my serious comment: Are these idiots working on the assumption that everyone who is getting an abortion is just a slut who can't keep her legs shut? What about little suzie who was raped by uncle steve at the family reunion or the women who are making a difficult choice so their baby doesn't live a life of complete suffering from birth to death. But is this a case of "screw them, they shouldn't be such whores"?

Please, tell us what percentage of women are murdering their unwanted children versus the number that are murdering children that were raped into them. I would like to know and I am sure you would like to know to back up your position since so many liberal stances on various issues seem to want to ignore the not so bad side of things when they argue for less freedom and what-not.


It doesn't matter how a woman became pregnant, it's her body and she gets to decide if she wants an abortion or not. End of story.
 
2012-03-21 11:35:28 AM

Loren: How about another video:

You have to watch a childbirth video in order to get married.


Any guy who wants viagra has to watch a five hour video of an erect penis.
 
2012-03-21 11:35:45 AM
Zombalupagus
Perhaps someone should explain to the GOP that it takes two people to make a baby.


Hey, men have to deal with a woman for 18 years if she wants to keep the baby and he doesnt. Thats punishment enough for our whole gender.
 
2012-03-21 11:35:49 AM

Trackball: Please, tell us what percentage of women are murdering their unwanted children versus the number that are murdering children that were raped into them. I would like to know and I am sure you would like to know to back up your position since so many liberal stances on various issues seem to want to ignore the not so bad side of things when they argue for less freedom and what-not.


Well, here is the main rift in the debate, outside of all of the woman-hating, sex-hating, rights-hating, and theocracy. We don't think it's murder. The fetus isn't able to survive outside of the mother, it's still developing, and it simply isn't a living being yet. It's not a hard thing to understand. Frankly, everything in law and society outside of the discussion generally agrees that a person starts being a person WHEN THEY ARE BORN, not when they're conceived.

Considering the nature of our biology, saying life starts at conception means nearly every woman has had, statistically, multiple miscarriages. Are those tragedies, even if they're never known at all? Are they lost lives?
 
2012-03-21 11:36:00 AM

Pincy: Trackball: ManateeGag: Now for my serious comment: Are these idiots working on the assumption that everyone who is getting an abortion is just a slut who can't keep her legs shut? What about little suzie who was raped by uncle steve at the family reunion or the women who are making a difficult choice so their baby doesn't live a life of complete suffering from birth to death. But is this a case of "screw them, they shouldn't be such whores"?

Please, tell us what percentage of women are murdering their unwanted children versus the number that are murdering children that were raped into them. I would like to know and I am sure you would like to know to back up your position since so many liberal stances on various issues seem to want to ignore the not so bad side of things when they argue for less freedom and what-not.

It doesn't matter how a woman became pregnant, it's her body and she gets to decide if she wants an abortion or not. End of story.


unfortunately she also gets to decide whether the father is responsible for supporting that potential child as well
 
2012-03-21 11:36:27 AM
Welcome, Liters, to the Fark Politics Tab, where we stare in utter and abject horror at the GOP's rash of insanity. I hear there used to be good trolls in the Tab, too.
 
2012-03-21 11:37:02 AM
I'd like to attach a rider to this proposal. This dumb coont suggesting this should first be aborted before proposing any more abortion-related legislation.
 
2012-03-21 11:37:13 AM

Pincy: Loren: How about another video:

You have to watch a childbirth video in order to get married.

Any guy who wants viagra has to watch a five hour video of an erect penis.


That would make any Republican hard. Viagra sales would take a big hit.
 
2012-03-21 11:37:18 AM
"Hi, we're the GOP. We did terrible in school and are basically terrible, nasty, bitter people. We're not smart, not sensitive and are completely unaware of any world other than the tiny one we created in our own heads. Sure, if you elect us we'll probably wreck the economy, pander to the elite and take unfair advantage of anyone we can and basically make a huge mess of things. Just look at the red states to see the kind of carnage we leave behind us.

So you see, to maintain our power, we have to appeal to the lowest of the low common denominators of human nature; fear, shame and hate. You understand, we don't have anything else.

So please, remember that you are a bad person who can only redeem yourself by voting for some one who will punish you; and as bad as you are, other people are even worse and you must help us to force them to knuckle under.

Your Masters,
The GOP"
 
2012-03-21 11:37:25 AM
When I was five years old I watched a baby being delivered on TV. Does that count as adequate anti-abortion propaganda?

It didn't turn me gay.

I'm pretty sure you are only "turned gay" by something or somebody you can sue, like Hostess Twinkies(TM) or the Roman Catholic Church. And a lot of people are born gay, even if the genes responsible haven't been clearly identified. If watching a baby being born (something almost all of us have seen hundreds of times on sitcoms) doesn't turn you off heterosexuality and thus prevent abortions, what will? Nothing the movie industry can do will prevent reproduction. Well, maybe nothing.

Open heart surgery, a male to female "genital correction surgery" and all sorts of other gross-out stuff hasn't fazed me at all. I don't want to go through the agony, of course, but it hasn't affected my opinions or feelings at all, even though these are things I could do or which could be forcibly done to me, unlike pregnancy, the risk of dying in labor, and abortion which are imposed only on women by evil, stupid or just lazy and thoughtless men.

Mind you, it might be helpful for some people to watch open heart surgery before they have it. The more your know ....

Let's compromise. Before women are allowed to have an abortion, they must watch a hour of lesbian pron. Hell, make it mandatory for all schoolgirls and boys to watch an hour of gay and lesbian pron before they become sexually active. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

If I did it right, this post is now a reductio ad absurdam argument against terrifying or disgusting young women who have been raped or otherwise inseminated by an idiot, and in favour of universal state-mandated and state-paid gay pornography.

Did I mention that I think that there is a lot of injustice in allowing rich white women to get abortions (even if they have to travel to do it) while the only poor women who get them are often people that "eugenicists" want to eliminate from the population in a permanent solution type programme? I think abortions are OK but they should be universal and mandatory if you are going to force women to have them at all. And they should be legal if you admit that it is a crime to forcibly impregnate a woman, i.e., to rape, and then forcibly make her carry the fetus to term from the day of conception. It is illegal and immoral to force a woman to conceive. It is illegal and immoral to force a woman to carry somebody else's child to term, whether you do it privately, like a Mad Mountain Man or publicly, through the power of compulsion of the state. It is illegal and immoral to not compensate the woman and the child in question with a lifetime of welfare, from conception to grave and beyond. So-called pro-lifers are morally and logically inconsequent when they try to use the State to force women to bear children. Let the free market make those decisions, not the Gubbermint and its bigoted partisan masters.

It's the logical thing to do.

Lib rules! Lib rules! Nyah! Nyah!
 
2012-03-21 11:37:45 AM
I really don't understand the problem with this idea, or the idea of requiring (non-invasive) ultrasound before an abortion. When I was considering getting a vasectomy I looked up the procedure and found some very ..er.. interesting images. My daughter had a wart on her foot and we had to take her to the doctor to have it removed. We fired up google and found some pictures of wart removal and excellent before/after pics. Women getting plastic surgery see multiple doctors, talk to multiple "satisfied customers" and do extensive research on procedures and recovery times before getting a boob job or face lift.

Is there any other medical procedure that we allow a person of any gender to go through without a thorough understanding of the process and outcomes? Why is there such a desire to treat abortion differently from any other medical procedure? I think the representative asked a very valid question: If it isn't a human life and it should be so easy to do, why would there be a problem with asking that a woman have some understanding of what is involved in the process?

I understand the reactions against Santorum and other far right idiots who really do seem to hate women. But can we put aside emotional reactions for a moment and be reasonable in our approach to a purely elective medical procedure?
 
2012-03-21 11:37:47 AM

sprawl15: sprawl15: It's argumentum reductio ad absurdum.

FTFM.

/who the fark named all this shiat with Latin anyway?


Latinos.
 
2012-03-21 11:38:19 AM
yup that goes way too far.
 
2012-03-21 11:38:50 AM
Fine if they wanna be that way, Take the argument to it's absurd conclusion, make them watch the creation of sausage from beginning to end before they can have any meat, each and every time.
 
2012-03-21 11:39:02 AM

GAT_00: ManateeGag: But is this a case of "screw them, they shouldn't be such whores"?

Uh yes. These farktards are convinced that anyone who has ever had an abortion only did so because they were a slut who got pregnant.


And clearly they self-impregnated. You don't see them complaining about men having pre-marital sex, or sex without intent to procreate, do you?
 
2012-03-21 11:39:08 AM

Bleyo: My crazy right wing aunt in Alabama actually did this to my sister. My sister, being nice, just randomly drove from New Jersey to Alabama to visit my aunt and grandfather who was staying with my aunt at the time. So, my aunt sits my sister down, makes her watch an abortion video, and then makes my sister promise never to get one. I'm pretty sure my sister would still get one if she needed to, but holy shiat.


Where the fark did your aunt get an abortion video? And shouldn't she be ashamed of herself? Through owning such a video she aided in the act that she is condemning.
 
2012-03-21 11:39:08 AM

brantgoose: I'm not palelizard.


You're no palelizard, bro.
 
2012-03-21 11:39:15 AM
Zombalupagus:
1) Anman and a woman have immoral slattern has sex leading to an unintended pregnancy.

2) The man and the woman know they cannotslattern finds it inconvenient to care for the child.

3) The man and the woman slattern makes the horrible choice to get an abortion commit genocide against babies and the American way.

4) The man and the woman gets punished Goddamn skanks need to be punished..


Perhaps someone should explain to the GOP that it takes two people to make a baby this is the way God intends it to be.


FTFY.
 
2012-03-21 11:39:57 AM
Step #1,398 in "How not to win elections"
 
2012-03-21 11:40:23 AM

Trackball: ManateeGag: Now for my serious comment: Are these idiots working on the assumption that everyone who is getting an abortion is just a slut who can't keep her legs shut? What about little suzie who was raped by uncle steve at the family reunion or the women who are making a difficult choice so their baby doesn't live a life of complete suffering from birth to death. But is this a case of "screw them, they shouldn't be such whores"?

Please, tell us what percentage of women are murdering their unwanted children


I think that's around 0%, give or take .00000000000001. The last infantcide-related story was Casey Anthony, and she was acquitted. You'd probably have to go back to that woman who drowned her kids in the tub.
 
2012-03-21 11:40:28 AM
You know, if the rapture ever came, the first people that would be damned wouldn't be those that accept Jesus as their lord and savior.

It would be the ones that did. Why? Because they're guilty of pride, one of the seven sins.

Proud of being so Christian that they proselytize their pride of being Christian to those that they feel are not; even though those that are not might or are more spiritual they could ever be..

Proud of being so Christian that they do things that even Jesus would say was not right, no matter how "wrong" the other side is.

Proud of being so Christian that they'll ignore what the Bible actually states about a certain issue. Even though the Bible contradicts what comes out of their mouth and someone correctly points that out, they'll play the "You're not as 'Christian' as me, so your point is invalid" card.

So keep farking that chicken Christian Conservatives, keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-03-21 11:40:37 AM
bin Ladin's just got to laughing in his watery (or formaledhyde-y) grave right now. #1: cause a deep rift between American citizens and their government, whereby the increasingly-paranoid government treats all citizens as potential threats- MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. #2: cause an entire political party to stare into the abyss too long, and actually become a de facto American Al Qaida- MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

What other surprises has this master tactician got in surprise for us?
 
2012-03-21 11:40:53 AM

Pincy: Loren: How about another video:

You have to watch a childbirth video in order to get married.

Any guy who wants viagra has to watch a five hour video of an erect penis.


But enough about your meatspin dot com high score, what about the topic at hand?
 
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