Fluorescent Testicle: As indescribably disgusting as this is, just remember, this walking haemorrhoid is no more a representative of most Muslims than Rick Santorum is a representative of most Christians.

/Not being sarcastic.
//If all goes well, he won't be walking for much longer.

Scary part is that Santorum is a serious candidate for President. Worse, guys like this are already leaders in Mideast countries.

apoptotic: ChubbyTiger: What on earth does a French guy have to do with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

"Reports quoted police as saying the man barricaded inside the house had told them he wanted to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children." Link (new window)

My these nutcases are always so logical, aren't they? "I want to avenge children, so I will hold other children, who are just as innocent as the children I'm avenging, responsible for things they could not possibly have caused."

There is something just fundamentally farked up in our DNA.

apoptotic: "Reports quoted police as saying the man barricaded inside the house had told them he wanted to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children." Link (new window)

Israel is still irrelevant to this thread. Jewish children in France have nothing to do with the conflict. Let's keep the focus on the shooting and the shooter please,

Tatsuma: Can we please please please please not bring Israel into this?

Well you started it....

(I did not start it)...

Yes you did. You invaded Poland........

BBC news has live updates (with recorded video, but it may switch to a live feed if something happens)

Tatsuma: Uh, we know why he did it. He's from Al Qaeda and even called a newspaper or tv station in order to explain why he did it and that he will keep on doing it



Hurray the police are going to get him!

Tatsuma: Can we please please please please not bring Israel into this?

It's really part and parcel once you scratch below the surface. There's a reason the guy targeted this particular school.

It may be callous to say in the face of all the pain and suffering, but if we aren't willing to turn the West into a police state (and hey, America's heading down that road as fast as it can) then how can these fringe groups be neutralized unless the root issue that excites them is not effectively addressed?

Dr. Mojo PhD: My these nutcases are always so logical, aren't they? "I want to avenge children, so I will hold other children, who are just as innocent as the children I'm avenging, responsible for things they could not possibly have caused."

Well, that's lex talionis for you

/duck
//does not mean it
///is French, not jewish, saw a jewish friend of him with tears in his eyes. That monday morning, all of us were jews.

Tatsuma: apoptotic: "Reports quoted police as saying the man barricaded inside the house had told them he wanted to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children." Link (new window)

Israel is still irrelevant to this thread. Jewish children in France have nothing to do with the conflict. Let's keep the focus on the shooting and the shooter please,

A question was asked, and I answered it. In light of his actions I personally don't really care what the shooter's motivation was, but I think it's a stretch to call it irrelevent.

a9735z: Tatsuma: Uh, we know why he did it. He's from Al Qaeda and even called a newspaper or tv station in order to explain why he did it and that he will keep on doing it

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Hurray the police are going to get him!

That kid on the right has got mad hops.

liam76: 56 minutes and 10 seconds in before some tried to blame Israel.

I think he was more disgusted by Tatsuma shedding so many tears over the death of one of the girls (posting a cute little picture) and demanding sympathy than anything anti-Israel.

Since, you know, things like this happen to Palestinian kids all the time (less gunshots to the head, more fire from above) and Tatsuma posts his cheers.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-court-acquits-officer-accused-of-conf i rming-kill-of-gaza-girl-1.174173

The case received wide-spread media attention when R was suspected of "confirming the kill" and shooting the girl multiple times once she had already been hit by IDF gunfire and was lying on the ground....

The charges R, of the Givati infantry brigade, was charged with manslaughter in the death of 13-year-old Iman al-Hams. He was also charged with the illegal use of his weapon and with obstruction of court proceedings after asking his soldiers to alter testimonies they provided to military investigators probing the incident.

Probably misguided to compare incidents like this, since the IDF guy in question was acquitted of shooting that 13 year old in the head at close range to confirm she was "no longer a threat".

But still not entirely proper to just pounce on Tats' over this, though one does STRONGLY suspect that if no Chosen People had been slaughtered, he wouldn't even be in this thread, and definitely not with the prominence he has been. His disgust does seem genuine, but pretty selective.

THE GREAT NAME: tankjr: Where are all the inquisitive people from the army mass murderer thread? I'm not seeing a lot of compassionate people wondering "why?". By all means, let's just execute this guy but let's try to understand the motivation of the poor army mass murderer and awww at his wife having to sell their $250k home.

farking hypocrites

Because we all know this guy's motivation you disiningenuous derp.

And you didn't understand the motivation of the army mass murderer? Now who's being disingenuous?

And of course, that far-right coont Le Pen is trying to capitalize on this, while trying to appear as a moderate, saying that she knows that ;hundreds of thousands of Muslims in France see themselves as French first, unlike this Jihadist'.

Nevermind that there are millions and millions of Muslims in France, and there is nothing wrong with your principal identity being your religious one, in fact it;s usually how it goes as well.

AverageAmericanGuy: But aren't the policies of Israel culpable in the endangerment of Jewish lives around the globe?

You imply that the acts of many Arab nations like Syria, Iran, and Pakistan should likewise be endangering Muslims around the globe.
But most westerners don't go around thinking "That man at the convenience store must pay for the Taliban's sins!".
They don't because its childish and crazy. When someone does think that way, we brand them as being racist or just plain idiotic.

It doesn't make any sense that the acts between two nations thousands of miles away should have been the death sentence for an innocent child in an unrelated nation.

It's interesting to see Sarkozy act concerned about the Jewish school murders a week or so after he attacked kashrut in an attempt to pick up the National Front (Nazi) vote.

Huh, so I just saw that France abolished the death penalty some time ago.

So the guy is going to be housed and fed for the rest of his natural life (assuming he doesn't go all martyr before the police can nab him). France even used the guillotine up until they outlawed capital punishment. Would have been an interesting twist to see a terrorist beheaded for once.

I just hope Limbaugh doesn't call him a terrorist, cause then Barry has to call and apologize to this sterling example of humanity. Club Gitmo has space.

Jake Havechek: This guy gets away with this all the time and you let him. I am not a troll. Your dad should have worn a condom.

I lol'd. Now, back to the topic of France.

way south: You imply that the acts of many Arab nations like Syria, Iran, and Pakistan should likewise be endangering Muslims around the globe.
But most westerners don't go around thinking "That man at the convenience store must pay for the Taliban's sins!".
They don't because its childish and crazy. When someone does think that way, we brand them as being racist or just plain idiotic.

Indeed. I don't understand how people do not grasp this, unless it simply exposes their own prejudices.

Tatsuma: And of course, that far-right coont Le Pen is trying to capitalize on this, while trying to appear as a moderate, saying that she knows that ;hundreds of thousands of Muslims in France see themselves as French first, unlike this Jihadist'.

The only thing more heinous than perpetrating these cowardly murders is actually using it to political advantage, and I wouldn't put anything past that farkin tw_t.

Flab: Just heard on the radio that his lawyer doesn't think he's planning on getting out alive, so he's either going to kill himself or manage to get killed by the police.

That's not very surprising. I don't think many targets of a police siege plan to get out alive.

way south: AverageAmericanGuy: But aren't the policies of Israel culpable in the endangerment of Jewish lives around the globe?

You imply that the acts of many Arab nations like Syria, Iran, and Pakistan should likewise be endangering Muslims around the globe.
But most westerners don't go around thinking "That man at the convenience store must pay for the Taliban's sins!".
They don't because its childish and crazy. When someone does think that way, we brand them as being racist or just plain idiotic.

It doesn't make any sense that the acts between two nations thousands of miles away should have been the death sentence for an innocent child in an unrelated nation.

To what do you attribute the extreme anger towards Israel that causes these incidents to occur? Are Muslims less intelligent than everyone else, and that's why they are so easily influenced into fighting a proxy war for the mullahs? Does Islam turn otherwise normal people into bloodthirsty killers?

Flab: Just heard on the radio that his lawyer doesn't think he's planning on getting out alive, so he's either going to kill himself or manage to get killed by the police.

I don't think muslims are allowed to kill themselves if they want into heaven, so he's going to have to do something 'brave' like point his fingers at the police and go PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW.

Merah's girlfriend and brother, who was also known to authorities as a radical Islamist, have also been arrested, officials said.

Okay, I did not have this classified as part of the Gay Agenda.

jakomo002: The only thing more heinous than perpetrating these cowardly murders is actually using it to political advantage

No, I think the murders are probably worse. And you won't find a single politician that doesn't see potential in tragedy.

liam76: steamingpile: Why were early reports just linking this shooting with the soldiers they said were expelled for being neo-nazis? Admittedly I have only read two articles but they both mentioned it.

Gong after minorities in the military and jews. My first guess would be neo-nazis. But last I read the Nazi suspects were innocent.

Why would you suspect them though? Even though they have a bad reputation what makes you think that way?

I think its because people are being led down that path to vilify those they deem evil or worthy of scorn, there was no need to mention them at all. If fox were to link muslims to a shooting or bombing immediately after it happened everyone would scream racist news.

Full disclosure, I hate both sides of the propaganda machine so don't think I am choosing sides, just pointing it out when it happens.

cheyanne9: I just hope Limbaugh doesn't call him a terrorist, cause then Barry has to call and apologize to this sterling example of humanity. Club Gitmo has space.

Like how you and your teabagger pals were bereft over the death of bin Laden and when you were all broken up over known al qaeda terrorists being killed with drones?

Too much seriousness going on in this thread. This is fark, after all. Yes, he's a loony. Yes, people died. It's going to be all over soon enough and let's hope they get him alive enough so he can give up the names of people like him.

But for Zeus' sake people - take a farking joke!

He is a member of Al Qaeda?
That's like being in the Menudo fan club.
There is no set membership to Al Qaeda. There's not an entrance exam. There's no interview. Any jackass can go blow something up and claim it for Al Qaeda.

epoc_tnac

name a single time that "this type of event" happened in the USA. Here's a clue: "this type of event" has never happened in the US despite extensive access to guns.

Miss us yet?

islam.. Religion of Peace™

Fluorescent Testicle: As indescribably disgusting as this is, just remember, this walking haemorrhoid is no more a representative of most Muslims than Rick Santorum is a representative of most Christians.

/Not being sarcastic.
//If all goes well, he won't be walking for much longer.

Be careful what you say there. Any good liberal knows that all Republicans are hardcore christian fanatics.

steamingpile: Why would you suspect them though? Even though they have a bad reputation what makes you think that way?

Because shooting Jews and killing minorities are their MO, when they go on a rampage. That is why Brevik shocked the far-right so much, he actually killed white children (and this is why they mostly disavow him)

indylaw: Flab: Just heard on the radio that his lawyer doesn't think he's planning on getting out alive, so he's either going to kill himself or manage to get killed by the police.

That's not very surprising. I don't think many targets of a police siege plan to get out alive.

Maybe he is hoping the French will surrender to him???

Tatsuma: footshot: The BBC version of the story states him being arrested on "common law" charges. Not sure which to believe.

I don't know, I read that in a French newspaper, the Figaro I think

NicoFinn: cc_rider: /I keed. Huge props to the French govt. and police for nailing down this asshole before he can kill again.

FTFA> According to the French Interior Minister Claude Gueant, the suspect was followed for several years by France's domestic intelligence service.

Hmmm...

You can't arrest people before they actually commit crimes. The same Minister said that: 'There was no way to prevent this to happen, short of turning into a police state'

Never committed a crime? Bull. They just ignored the small stuff because they thought he'd lead to bigger things.

Which makes sense. It just didn't work out well.

MythDragon: He is a member of Al Qaeda?
That's like being in the Menudo fan club.
There is no set membership to Al Qaeda. There's not an entrance exam. There's no interview. Any jackass can go blow something up and claim it for Al Qaeda.

Except this guy was arrested with Talibans while planting bombs in Afghanistan.

epoc_tnac: I don't think muslims are allowed to kill themselves if they want into heaven, so he's going to have to do something 'brave' like point his fingers at the police and go PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW.

Means something different in France...

monoski: indylaw: Flab: Just heard on the radio that his lawyer doesn't think he's planning on getting out alive, so he's either going to kill himself or manage to get killed by the police.

That's not very surprising. I don't think many targets of a police siege plan to get out alive.

Maybe he is hoping the French will surrender to him???

OK, that was damn funny. 2 internets for you.

indylaw: Tatsuma: indylaw: Because if he had no connection to al Qaeda, that would be alright...

How is that even relevant or makes any sense? That's the best thing you have to say about this tragedy?

I'm saying that his al Qaeda affiliation is irrelevant. He's a sadistic murderer.

Balls, you're touchy.

And this starts the line of thinking I was just biatching about, this sounds like a troll but you can bet a lot of people are bringing this up now. "Why sully the good al qaeda name because of one whacko!"

Its farking insane, they only vilify those that they are allowed to hate.

steamingpile: liam76: steamingpile: Why were early reports just linking this shooting with the soldiers they said were expelled for being neo-nazis? Admittedly I have only read two articles but they both mentioned it.

Gong after minorities in the military and jews. My first guess would be neo-nazis. But last I read the Nazi suspects were innocent.

Why would you suspect them though? Even though they have a bad reputation what makes you think that way?

I think its because people are being led down that path to vilify those they deem evil or worthy of scorn, there was no need to mention them at all. If fox were to link muslims to a shooting or bombing immediately after it happened everyone would scream racist news.

Full disclosure, I hate both sides of the propaganda machine so don't think I am choosing sides, just pointing it out when it happens.

I am pretty sure it was reported because france said that was one of the initial suspects, whot hey ruled out.

I would think Nazi's before islamc terrorists because they hit a "north african" target first. In france that means the first target was most likely a muslim, so I would doubt it was a muslim.

Tatsuma: MythDragon: He is a member of Al Qaeda?
That's like being in the Menudo fan club.
There is no set membership to Al Qaeda. There's not an entrance exam. There's no interview. Any jackass can go blow something up and claim it for Al Qaeda.

Except this guy was arrested with Talibans while planting bombs in Afghanistan.

Yeah something doesn't make sense here. Supposedly escaped from jail in Kandahar in 2008, and then just went back to France, where he basically planned these attacks without interference?

Doesn't add up. Information is missing. Possibly, that the French intelligence services failed to do anything about him before it was too late, and they will end up looking like massive assholes, but that's just a guess.

God Is My Co-Pirate: Can we lay off the "coont" and "twat" speech, please? Not necessary.

Sorry.

epoc_tnac: No, I think the murders are probably worse. And you won't find a single politician that doesn't see potential in tragedy.

Yeah, that's probably fair. Legally and morally, but still , someone thinking "oooh, how can I spin this to benefit my party in the next elections" seems like it ought to be punished too.

liam76: That is so farking pathetic it doesn't even really anger me.

Well hey great!

I figured it was a muslim just because france has that huge population of marginalized north africans.