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2012-03-21 10:26:51 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: DoctorCal: Could you just not do this here and now? Please?

This is a very sad incident, and the perpetrator should be dealt with harshly.

But aren't the policies of Israel culpable in the endangerment of Jewish lives around the globe? The tactics taken to defeat the existential threat to the country of Israel is leading to the death of Jews outside its borders. Should Israel take responsibility for that? And if not, then should Jews feel loyalty and kinship to Israel in exchange for nothing?

When would be a good time to "do this"?


By that rationale Iran's oppressive regime is culpable if I decide to kill innocent Iranians in a whole different country out of protest?
 
2012-03-21 10:26:56 AM

Dr. Mojo PhD: o
The distinction you seem to be struggling with here is: Blood-thirst against innocent kids vs. blood-thirst against child-murderer.

It's a pretty farking important difference.


No, it's still a blood thirst and it's still repulsive.
 
2012-03-21 10:28:20 AM

Flab: "we givedon't give a flying fark


/FTFM
 
2012-03-21 10:30:30 AM

orbister: No, it's still a blood thirst and it's still repulsive.


yup.
 
2012-03-21 10:31:28 AM

Outlaw Thirds: Furthermore, I don't think Tats is personally responsible for every bad thing Israel has ever done.


I agree. I'd extend that, though, to say that he has no right to claim special moral outrage when the victims of a repulsive crime are Israeli.
 
2012-03-21 10:38:24 AM

Deucednuisance: Tatsuma: Except that this is absolutely false, but thanks

Not trying to start a derpfest, but...

I note that you haven't even mentioned the three soldiers that this stain killed.

It may or may not be "absolutely false", but it's certainly what you project here on Fark.

And I disagree with those saying "just shoot him".

This POS needs to be interrogated, but good. (Not tortured, interrogated.) There's likely some valuable intel in that twisted head of his.


This. That farkhead has to know some big things. He's better kept alive.

Notice I said alive. Not comfortable.
 
2012-03-21 10:38:56 AM

Tatterdemalian: jakomo002: Not like Bibi is taking this opportunity to remind people what's important, right?

Apparently it can't be repeated enough, given the other posters in this thread whining that "we can't kill him or else we will be just like him."

That's the real reason terrorism keeps getting more popular, people keep protecting them with false moral equivalence.

/all in the hope of getting attention


Bullshiat
 
2012-03-21 10:41:17 AM
I was really hoping it was a neo-nazi. The fact that he claims to be with al-qaeda makes things worse.
 
2012-03-21 10:41:48 AM
I have not read all the minutiae, but has anyone considred the possibility that this guy is one of two:

a) dedicated killer with a powerful suicide bomb to go out in mass-murder glory when the cops rush him
b) another attack which might be staged for some ulterior purpose, like maybe to gain political support for something

Just a thought...
 
2012-03-21 10:42:41 AM

Ur Mom's Sandwich Eater: Ya know....i have been profile stalkin....and some of you chicks are CUTE!


Why do I have this sneaking suspicion that you've given serious thought to the prospect of funeral crashing IRL?

/MA, THE MEATLOAF!
 
2012-03-21 10:42:56 AM

Dr. Mojo PhD: No, uber humper is right. They will not extradite where they have fundamental differences in human rights laws, eg.: capital punishment. See page 341 of the United Nations Treaty Series vol. 2179 for the text of the United States - France extradition treaty.


And probably not just for citizens of France but for anyone in France.
 
2012-03-21 10:45:39 AM

dumbobruni: L'Express has quotes from neighbors and childhood friends

rough translation: Neighbors said he was calm and gentile. Friends say that until recently he was not radical; he never spoke about religion before. He was French, not Islamist. His change was practically overnight. He was emotionally fragile, and his parents had divorced.

Link (new window)


I see what you did there...
 
2012-03-21 10:45:42 AM
I garantee that, after this, Jean-Marie Le Pen will win by a landslide, and it's hello Fascist french.
 
2012-03-21 10:48:59 AM

CygnusDarius: I was really hoping it was a neo-nazi. The fact that he claims to be with al-qaeda makes things worse.


Yeah, I can understand that. I hope that this guy realises that what he's done is going to make life harder for the millions of Muslims in France. I'm not sure what kind of mental gymnastics you have to perform to think that this benefits anybody.

Maybe this guy was giving him advice: (hopefully not obscure)

www.regrettablesincerity.com
 
2012-03-21 10:51:14 AM

epoc_tnac: CygnusDarius: I was really hoping it was a neo-nazi. The fact that he claims to be with al-qaeda makes things worse.

Yeah, I can understand that. I hope that this guy realises that what he's done is going to make life harder for the millions of Muslims in France. I'm not sure what kind of mental gymnastics you have to perform to think that this benefits anybody.

Maybe this guy was giving him advice: (hopefully not obscure)

[www.regrettablesincerity.com image 640x346]


What concerns me is the sudden rise of the extreme right wing in France, and how they could use this to win the elections. Any French Farkers here to help out on either refuting or confirming the fear? Trying to reach the comments section of Le Monde, and it seems people are questioning why Sarko is there in the first place, and why is this on the front page (WTF?).
 
2012-03-21 10:53:10 AM

spacelord321: dumbobruni: L'Express has quotes from neighbors and childhood friends

rough translation: Neighbors said he was calm and gentile. Friends say that until recently he was not radical; he never spoke about religion before. He was French, not Islamist. His change was practically overnight. He was emotionally fragile, and his parents had divorced.

Link (new window)

I see what you did there...


And, now added (since has been indentified): 'it is his right to protest.'
 
2012-03-21 10:56:43 AM

epoc_tnac: I'm not sure what kind of mental gymnastics you have to perform to think that this benefits anybody.


I'm sure his point of view is that if they aren't Jihading, they're infidels , too. And any misfortune is deserved.
 
2012-03-21 10:57:20 AM

AmoLudare: Sucks that some people were murdered.


Yes it does. Now please stay on topic.
 
2012-03-21 10:59:12 AM

Marine1: Deucednuisance: Tatsuma: Except that this is absolutely false, but thanks

Not trying to start a derpfest, but...

I note that you haven't even mentioned the three soldiers that this stain killed.

It may or may not be "absolutely false", but it's certainly what you project here on Fark.

And I disagree with those saying "just shoot him".

This POS needs to be interrogated, but good. (Not tortured, interrogated.) There's likely some valuable intel in that twisted head of his.

This. That farkhead has to know some big things. He's better kept alive.

Notice I said alive. Not comfortable.


No, he doesn't have to really know anything. He could be a lone wacko influence by, but with no real ties to, Al Qaeda. It's also possible that he was recruited and supplied pretty much "in the dark" by Al Qaeda (or more likely a loose affiliate) for operational security reasons: He'd know the appearance and a pseudonym of his single contact, who is likely just as expendable as this yahoo his.

I'm betting on lone wacko though.
 
2012-03-21 11:06:36 AM
Alot of this stuff could be avoided if they just read:

upload.wikimedia.org

He may get some sympathizers in the sense of Stockholm Syndrome, be he could of been so much more.
 
2012-03-21 11:11:29 AM

orbister: Dr. Mojo PhD: o
The distinction you seem to be struggling with here is: Blood-thirst against innocent kids vs. blood-thirst against child-murderer.

It's a pretty farking important difference.

No, it's still a blood thirst and it's still repulsive.


I also support this statement
 
2012-03-21 11:11:51 AM
blah blah blah blah French blah blah blah surrender. LOL. !!
 
2012-03-21 11:13:46 AM

indylaw: Tatsuma: The guy's lawyer described him to French media as ;'soft and polite, easy to reason with'

Yeah, fark you.

If his lawyer said that he was a psychotic religious fanatic with a penchant for boiling puppies, he wouldn't be much of a lawyer. He's not going to admit fault on behalf of his client, and he's going to try to portray his client in a positive light. To otherwise violates the ethics of his profession.


In which regard he is similar to all the so-called "atheists" on here, who always try to potray extremist religious fanatics (other then Christians or Jews) in a positive light.

How prople can call themselves atheists when they're really just shills for extremist jihadism is quite beyond me.
 
2012-03-21 11:16:35 AM

epoc_tnac: Lagaidh: I don't know whether to be relieved or sad that this type of event isn't exclusive to the United States of America.

I mean, it's sad either way, but it would be a little comforting to know that this isn't a unique brand of American "exceptionalism".

So.... name a single time that "this type of event" happened in the USA. Here's a clue: "this type of event" has never happened in the US despite extensive access to guns. Those terror cells sure know how to bide their time!


This type of event has never happened in the US? You're telling me a crazy nutjob has never shot anyone? You're telling me a crazy nutjob has never engaged in a standoff with police?

/head in sand
//LA LA LA
///Reality? Not a fan.
 
2012-03-21 11:18:09 AM

CygnusDarius: I was really hoping it was a neo-nazi. The fact that he claims to be with al-qaeda makes things worse.


How woudl the situation be better if it were a neo-nazi?

Is it not as tragic when some nut shoots a kid int he face as long as you can blame a group you don't like?
 
2012-03-21 11:21:17 AM

THE GREAT NAME: In which regard he is similar to all the so-called "atheists" on here, who always try to potray extremist religious fanatics (other then Christians or Jews) in a positive light.


Care to name just one example, with supporting evidence? I've been on Fark for almost 10 years now, and I don't think I've ever come across a single poster who did that with a straight face.
 
2012-03-21 11:21:19 AM

THE GREAT NAME: In which regard he is similar to all the so-called "atheists" on here, who always try to potray extremist religious fanatics (other then Christians or Jews) in a positive light.

How prople can call themselves atheists when they're really just shills for extremist jihadism is quite beyond me.


Dude, if you're trying to troll, the water's over that way.
 
2012-03-21 11:22:48 AM

beta_plus: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 618x347]

/hotlinked from the french carrier foch somewhere in the mediterranean sea


Mixing submarine movies. Pic is from Red October, the french carrier Foch was Crimson Tide
 
2012-03-21 11:23:43 AM
What's a prople? How is it formed?
 
2012-03-21 11:23:59 AM

epoc_tnac: Lagaidh: I don't know whether to be relieved or sad that this type of event isn't exclusive to the United States of America.

I mean, it's sad either way, but it would be a little comforting to know that this isn't a unique brand of American "exceptionalism".

So.... name a single time that "this type of event" happened in the USA. Here's a clue: "this type of event" has never happened in the US despite extensive access to guns. Those terror cells sure know how to bide their time!


What about the Ft. Hood shootings? (new window)
 
2012-03-21 11:24:24 AM

Flab: THE GREAT NAME: In which regard he is similar to all the so-called "atheists" on here, who always try to potray extremist religious fanatics (other then Christians or Jews) in a positive light.

Care to name just one example, with supporting evidence? I've been on Fark for almost 10 years now, and I don't think I've ever come across a single poster who did that with a straight face.


Selective recall: the lowest form of revisionism. You a lib by any chance?
 
2012-03-21 11:28:15 AM

THE GREAT NAME: Flab: THE GREAT NAME: In which regard he is similar to all the so-called "atheists" on here, who always try to potray extremist religious fanatics (other then Christians or Jews) in a positive light.

Care to name just one example, with supporting evidence? I've been on Fark for almost 10 years now, and I don't think I've ever come across a single poster who did that with a straight face.

Selective recall: the lowest form of revisionism.


Enlighten me, then.

You a lib by any chance?

It really depends on your definition of lib.
 
2012-03-21 11:28:34 AM

dallylamma: What about the Ft. Hood shootings?


He was not a civilian and would have had access to firearms anyways.
 
2012-03-21 11:30:07 AM

uber humper: spacelord321: dumbobruni: L'Express has quotes from neighbors and childhood friends

rough translation: Neighbors said he was calm and gentile. Friends say that until recently he was not radical; he never spoke about religion before. He was French, not Islamist. His change was practically overnight. He was emotionally fragile, and his parents had divorced.

Link (new window)

I see what you did there...

And, now added (since has been indentified): 'it is his right to protest.'


You lost me on that one. I was refering to the use of "gentile".
 
2012-03-21 11:30:55 AM

joeflood: This type of event has never happened in the US? You're telling me a crazy nutjob has never shot anyone? You're telling me a crazy nutjob has never engaged in a standoff with police?


dallylamma: What about the Ft. Hood shootings?


Okay, I'll accept the Ft Hood shootings, and the beltway sniper.

But the person I was replying to was basically suggesting that this kind of event is commonplace in the US and associated mainly with the US, whereas that's clearly not the case, since we can only come up with 2 examples within the last decade and it's debatable if they were actual connected extremists who were part of some global conspiracy, or just random crazy people who found a convenient banner.
 
2012-03-21 11:31:31 AM
Oh, and full disclosure: I have 3 Farkers in my ignore list (one of whom is a new addition from this morning, so he doesn't count), so if the person you have in mind is Linux_Yes, or Hoopido, then I would have sailed past their damning posts without ever seeing them.
 
2012-03-21 11:34:01 AM

spacelord321: uber humper: spacelord321: dumbobruni: L'Express has quotes from neighbors and childhood friends

rough translation: Neighbors said he was calm and gentile. Friends say that until recently he was not radical; he never spoke about religion before. He was French, not Islamist. His change was practically overnight. He was emotionally fragile, and his parents had divorced.

Link (new window)

I see what you did there...

And, now added (since has been indentified): 'it is his right to protest.'

You lost me on that one. I was refering to the use of "gentile".


...as L'Express being a far left magazine trying to put the suspect in the best light.
 
2012-03-21 11:34:09 AM

THE GREAT NAME: Selective recall: the lowest form of revisionism. You a lib by any chance?


I'm a Lib.

I'm an atheist.

I've never supported any religious extremist of any kind.

And your "selective recall" comment was unresponsive, so I'll issue the challenge in my own right: show an example of a self-identified atheist who "always tr[ied] to potray (sic) extremist religious fanatics (other then (sic) Christians or Jews) in a positive light", please.

I mean, if it's so common, surely you find whip up some cites, post haste.

And yes, I just called you "Shirley".
 
2012-03-21 11:36:37 AM

Flab: THE GREAT NAME: Flab: THE GREAT NAME: In which regard he is similar to all the so-called "atheists" on here, who always try to potray extremist religious fanatics (other then Christians or Jews) in a positive light.

Care to name just one example, with supporting evidence? I've been on Fark for almost 10 years now, and I don't think I've ever come across a single poster who did that with a straight face.

Selective recall: the lowest form of revisionism.

Enlighten me, then.


Transferring the burden of proof: lib trick

You a lib by any chance?

It really depends on your definition of lib.


Hiding behind semantics. You're definitely a lib.
 
2012-03-21 11:37:37 AM
Breaking on BBC news:

"France's interior minister has denied reports that security forces have arrested the main suspect in the recent spate of shootings around Toulouse."

/Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.
 
2012-03-21 11:37:38 AM
Please don't be Muslim.. Please don't be Muslim.. looks like he's not Muslim. *clicks on fark today* NOOOOOOOOO

They thought he was a neo-Nazi because he killed 2 maghrebins, 1 West African, and the Jewish kids and the rabbi. I knew it never precluded him from having targeted them as soldiers...
 
2012-03-21 11:41:34 AM

THE GREAT NAME: indylaw: Tatsuma: The guy's lawyer described him to French media as ;'soft and polite, easy to reason with'

Yeah, fark you.

If his lawyer said that he was a psychotic religious fanatic with a penchant for boiling puppies, he wouldn't be much of a lawyer. He's not going to admit fault on behalf of his client, and he's going to try to portray his client in a positive light. To otherwise violates the ethics of his profession.

In which regard he is similar to all the so-called "atheists" on here, who always try to potray extremist religious fanatics (other then Christians or Jews) in a positive light.

How prople can call themselves atheists when they're really just shills for extremist jihadism is quite beyond me.


Shhh, you are going to blow the cover of all the extremist jihadist shills on here. I can't even type that with a straight face.

Oh, you!
i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-21 11:42:01 AM

THE GREAT NAME: Flab: THE GREAT NAME: Flab: THE GREAT NAME: In which regard he is similar to all the so-called "atheists" on here, who always try to potray extremist religious fanatics (other then Christians or Jews) in a positive light.

Care to name just one example, with supporting evidence? I've been on Fark for almost 10 years now, and I don't think I've ever come across a single poster who did that with a straight face.

Selective recall: the lowest form of revisionism.

Enlighten me, then.


Transferring the burden of proof: lib trick



Huh? I asked you to come up with an example. How is asking you a second time transfering the burden of proof?

You a lib by any chance?

It really depends on your definition of lib.

Hiding behind semantics. You're definitely a lib.


No, I'm asking because while my views are mostly center-left, some are right down the center-line, so I needed to know where the "There be libs" line was drawn. Also, are we using the US "lib" scale, or the european "Lib" scale?
 
2012-03-21 11:43:20 AM

Jamrock: Please don't be Muslim.. Please don't be Muslim.. looks like he's not Muslim. *clicks on fark today* NOOOOOOOOO

They thought he was a neo-Nazi because he killed 2 maghrebins, 1 West African, and the Jewish kids and the rabbi. I knew it never precluded him from having targeted them as soldiers...


I don't think Neo Nazis are that big on murder. In the last few decades, anyways. Smart money would have bet on the Al Qaeda in this instance.
 
2012-03-21 11:43:49 AM
In unrelated news, my SHIFT key seems to be not working too well.
 
2012-03-21 11:47:55 AM
Then she asked me, "Daddy, what was life like before there were internet trolls?"

All I could to was smile at the sweet innocence and wonder that prompted her to ask the question. But that smile quickly morphed into a frown when I realized she would never be able to live a life free of unrelenting derp and asshattery.
 
2012-03-21 11:54:10 AM

Jake Havechek: ChubbyTiger: Jake Havechek: Tatsuma: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x456]

How do you walk up to a little girl like this, pull her by her hair, shoot her in the head point blank, then do it twice more while she's on the ground.

I.. no words.

How do you shoot white phosphorous at civilians? How do you shoot missiles at apartment complexes to kill one guy? How do you run over an unarmed teenage girl with a bulldozer, twice?

You disgust me.

WTF? You choose now for this kind of crap? What on earth does a French guy have to do with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? And no, "he's Jewish" is not an answer to that. That sort of thing is unacceptable even for a troll.

Because you know, and I know, and everyone here knows that he would not give a fark if it was a non Jew. That's the goddamn truth, whether you accept it or not. Horrible things happen all over the world every day.


And you find pleasure that it was an innocent family of Jews that had no connection to any of your strawmen. You are a modern day NAZI
 
2012-03-21 11:55:09 AM

Flab: THE GREAT NAME: Flab: THE GREAT NAME: Flab: THE GREAT NAME: In which regard he is similar to all the so-called "atheists" on here, who always try to potray extremist religious fanatics (other then Christians or Jews) in a positive light.

Care to name just one example, with supporting evidence? I've been on Fark for almost 10 years now, and I don't think I've ever come across a single poster who did that with a straight face.

Selective recall: the lowest form of revisionism.

Enlighten me, then.


Transferring the burden of proof: lib trick


Huh? I asked you to come up with an example. How is asking you a second time transfering the burden of proof?

You a lib by any chance?

It really depends on your definition of lib.

Hiding behind semantics. You're definitely a lib.

No, I'm asking because while my views are mostly center-left


Ha ha knew it


, some are right down the center-line, so I needed to know where the "There be libs" line was drawn. Also, are we using the US "lib" scale, or the european "Lib" scale?


Yawn.
 
2012-03-21 11:58:16 AM

liam76: CygnusDarius: I was really hoping it was a neo-nazi. The fact that he claims to be with al-qaeda makes things worse.

How woudl the situation be better if it were a neo-nazi?

Is it not as tragic when some nut shoots a kid int he face as long as you can blame a group you don't like?


uh, yeah.
it's fairly difficult to use a tragedy to paint all those you disagree with as dangerous lunatics when the dude that caused the tragedy isn't part of the group you are seeking to vilify.
we all know how reasonable this thread would have been if this guy was who they were hoping it was.
 
2012-03-21 12:01:05 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Yawn.


So, how's that list of atheists coming up?
 
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