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(Huffington Post)   Looks like Susan G. Komen for the Cure is still reeling from its decision to pick a side in the culture wars. Well isn't that a shame   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-03-20 11:06:52 PM  

MrEricSir: Shades: MrEricSir: "Cultures" that hate women don't tend to last for some mysterious reason.
Oh I know right? Aaaaaany minute now, the entire Middle East is going to come around. And all of China. And most of India. Just any ol' minute now.

"Culture" implies civilization, not a desolate shiathole.


As a guy from China, I resent that.
DIAFBOD.
 
2012-03-20 11:07:43 PM  
Hey, firebombing women's clinics and shooting doctors costs money.
 
2012-03-20 11:08:22 PM  

ElizaDoolittle: AbbeySomeone:
Precisely. Diseases are big business, particularly cancers; major money genrators. I'm convinced that they don't want to find a cure.
Some of the perfume they sold had agents that caused breast cancer. Lol.
Most charities are a racket.

I really admire you for the tough stance you've taken on this from the start. I share your views. I was at the supermarket the other day and they had a stand of ordinary bottled water, but this one was marked with a pink label. My gut instinct was to take a sharpie to the sign. Luckily I am usually a law-abiding citizen who hates scenes, but that tells you how far SGK has fallen in my view. My mother died of BC, so my usual instinct is to support anything that is working for a cure for it. I just don't think SGK is doing that anymore. Corporations used to think this was a safe, non-controversial charity to sponsor, because who wants women to develop BC? Plus it sounded female-friendly so they could tout all the diversity they love to talk about but don't practice that much. I'll bet they will get some interesting feedback from their female employees or directors.

Kinda CSB: When all the shiat was hitting the fan, I wrote to my estate lawyer. (She refuses to use email.) I asked if I could change the beneficiary of most of the trust from SGK to Planned Parenthood, and how much she would charge me to do it. She called me and said, "I'll just charge for the paralegal/paperwork. I'll waive my fee. I know why you're doing this and I'd be glad to help you."


I forgot to point out that many plastics are carcinogenic and particularly toxic to women and hormones.
 
2012-03-20 11:08:36 PM  

King Something: RexTalionis: The sad thing is, because Susan G. Komen isn't able to bring in the fundraising it did before, it might wind up cutting Planned Parenthood eventually anyway because of insufficient funding.

Part of the reason SGK is losing out on all that sweet, sweet charity money is that most folks who would have donated to them are donating to Planned Parenthood directly instead.

So I don't think PP is gonna be hurting for cash if they lose SGK's funding.


Part, but a bigger part is that people are seeing organizational chaos through a very visible defunding and an even more visible refunding, and then a sizable demographic is also in shock that their cancer money is "funding abortion" however wrong that may be. PP will be fine, but SGKF (not to be confused with SGK herself) will die. Liberals will crow that it was from the defunding, neocons that it was the refunding, and both will be half right.
 
2012-03-20 11:10:55 PM  
I'm amazed that both the left and the right have come to the same conclusion (i.e. not donating to Komen For The Cure) for completely different reasons.

Lefties won't donate because they STOPPED giving to Planned Parent hood, Righties won't donate because they REVERSED and said PP is now eligible.

Result: NEITHER SIDE is giving!

It's almost like they are getting along...?
 
2012-03-20 11:11:24 PM  
Attack a breast cancer charity because they hate women. Good job brainwashed zombie horde.
 
2012-03-20 11:14:36 PM  

badhatharry: Attack a breast cancer charity because they hate women. Good job brainwashed zombie horde.


not really, nice troll though. more like, people are figuring out the charity has precious little to do with actually curing cancer.
 
2012-03-20 11:14:39 PM  

PanicMan: Yes, it is a shame. Fire everyone, bring in all new people. That's the only way you're going to save the organization.


They are not too big to fail......fire everyone, dump the company, put all the funds in a trust...a "charity" that spends only about 20 cents per dollar on their cause with the rest going to salaries and other expenses (not to mention the over $1 million spent to sue other charities) deserves to no longer exist.
 
2012-03-20 11:16:53 PM  
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2012-03-20 11:17:32 PM  

mekkab: I'm amazed that both the left and the right have come to the same conclusion (i.e. not donating to Komen For The Cure) for completely different reasons.

Lefties won't donate because they STOPPED giving to Planned Parent hood, Righties won't donate because they REVERSED and said PP is now eligible.

Result: NEITHER SIDE is giving!

It's almost like they are getting along...?


The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
 
2012-03-20 11:21:40 PM  
www.myfacewhen.net
 
2012-03-20 11:24:15 PM  
Once PP was defunded, SGK FTC never committed to send more money to PP - only that PP was going to be considered eligible for future funding ... just another chickenshiat maneuver to defer the decision point and attempt to appease both sides in order to continue the current incoming donation stream.

Didn't work out so well now, did it?

I'm really hoping that FTC Pink goes away. I don't need to see it on football fields in October, or on baseball bats, or on grocery items, to remind me of the real pain and challenges that we face when we lose someone.
 
2012-03-20 11:24:16 PM  
This debacle will have a whole segment regarding social marketing in marketing courses soon. We watched a new form of business fail driven almost entirely by social media. No matter what side you take on the issue, that's got to count for something.
 
2012-03-20 11:25:46 PM  

AbbeySomeone: ElizaDoolittle: AbbeySomeone:
Precisely. Diseases are big business, particularly cancers; major money genrators. I'm convinced that they don't want to find a cure.
Some of the perfume they sold had agents that caused breast cancer. Lol.
Most charities are a racket.

I really admire you for the tough stance you've taken on this from the start. I share your views. I was at the supermarket the other day and they had a stand of ordinary bottled water, but this one was marked with a pink label. My gut instinct was to take a sharpie to the sign. Luckily I am usually a law-abiding citizen who hates scenes, but that tells you how far SGK has fallen in my view. My mother died of BC, so my usual instinct is to support anything that is working for a cure for it. I just don't think SGK is doing that anymore. Corporations used to think this was a safe, non-controversial charity to sponsor, because who wants women to develop BC? Plus it sounded female-friendly so they could tout all the diversity they love to talk about but don't practice that much. I'll bet they will get some interesting feedback from their female employees or directors.

Kinda CSB: When all the shiat was hitting the fan, I wrote to my estate lawyer. (She refuses to use email.) I asked if I could change the beneficiary of most of the trust from SGK to Planned Parenthood, and how much she would charge me to do it. She called me and said, "I'll just charge for the paralegal/paperwork. I'll waive my fee. I know why you're doing this and I'd be glad to help you."

I forgot to point out that many plastics are carcinogenic and particularly toxic to women and hormones.


Estrogen emulators don't do men any favours either...
 
2012-03-20 11:26:47 PM  
The hypocrisy in this thread, coming mostly from Democrats, in particular those that support charities of a Liberal bent that are selective about how they give out money, is delicious.

Let's be clear people...if $1 less goes to breast cancer research because of all this, then it is a damn shame.

Breast cancer research...remember when that was something that mattered more than whether or not you think Planned Parenthood was doing a good job?
 
2012-03-20 11:28:50 PM  
I don't give a shiat as long as they die quickly so there is no pink in the NFL in a few months. or anywhere else for that matter. i wonder what the total, and i mean real total, merchandising cost spent by them and every one sucking up to them is compared to the actual pittance grants they give out...
 
2012-03-20 11:28:51 PM  
This is going to kill their search for the cure, which I'm pretty was a cure for insufficient publicity and glamorous celebrity attended events for their executives.

Less pink crap and fewer charity terrorists in my office demanding money for Team Twila to walk somewhere and eat TCBY while wearing pink and feeling smug. I can continue redirecting my donations to pay for abortions and women's health care at PP and actual cancer research supported by the ACS.
 
2012-03-20 11:29:11 PM  
I'm sure that the women who donate to Komen will just get over it, move on, and forget all about it. If you know anything about women, you know how easily they move past and forget past transgressions.
 
2012-03-20 11:29:13 PM  

RexTalionis: The sad thing is, because Susan G. Komen isn't able to bring in the fundraising it did before, it might wind up cutting Planned Parenthood eventually anyway because of insufficient funding.


The thing about it that they have always had this position, its just thought planned parenthood was using funds for other aspects not outlined in their agreement, then they refused to give them a full accounting of where their funds were going.

Amazing, the foundation thats in the right is the foundation all of you are shiatting on, just because they dared have a different opinion.

I bet all of you would be wiling to burn witches in salem too, farking sheep.
 
2012-03-20 11:30:44 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm sure that the women who donate to Komen will just get over it, move on, and forget all about it. If you know anything about women, you know how easily they move past and forget past transgressions.


You'll never see pink again!
 
2012-03-20 11:31:20 PM  

hdhale: Let's be clear people...if $1 less goes to breast cancer research because of all this, then it is a damn shame.


SGK spends more on their administrative costs than they do on breast cancer research.
 
2012-03-20 11:32:42 PM  
Tough shiat. They could start performing the same services as Planned Parenthood, and I would never again give them a penny. They burned their bridge with our family.
 
2012-03-20 11:33:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm sure that the women who donate to Komen will just get over it, move on, and forget all about it. If you know anything about women, you know how easily they move past and forget past transgressions.


[quizzicaldog.jpg]
 
2012-03-20 11:34:19 PM  
They were a sham organization anyway. I can now use the money to donate to this KONY 2012 guy's campaign. This country needs a viable third party for president, and I've heard he makes children invisible which is a pretty amazing technology.
 
2012-03-20 11:38:29 PM  
SGK is not the only game in town for BC research. They could disappear tomorrow and their market share would be gobbled up by American Cancer Society, so who really cares if SGK exists? All they ever did was cut into ACS dollars anyway, and they've been super biatchy about it the whole time.
 
2012-03-20 11:39:37 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Rapmaster2000: I'm sure that the women who donate to Komen will just get over it, move on, and forget all about it. If you know anything about women, you know how easily they move past and forget past transgressions.

You'll never see pink again!


I have you favorited in pink, oddly enough.
 
2012-03-20 11:45:46 PM  

hdhale: The hypocrisy in this thread, coming mostly from Democrats, in particular those that support charities of a Liberal bent that are selective about how they give out money, is delicious.

Let's be clear people...if $1 less goes to breast cancer research because of all this, then it is a damn shame.

Breast cancer research...remember when that was something that mattered more than whether or not you think Planned Parenthood was doing a good job?


Go eff yourself, you pathetic little twit. PP gives the medicine and the care that helps prevent cancer... if you weren't such a troll you'd know this.

Die in a fire, and welcome to my permanent ignore list. Effwit Republican Teahadist.
 
2012-03-20 11:47:49 PM  
Since this thread is so full of experts, I'm sure someone can enlighten me. If I understood the original fooforaw correctly, SGK decided to not donate their usual amount to some PP centers because the PP centers were not offering mammograms but referring women to another center. I know that a bunch of folks on the right blew this all out of proportion saying that SGK had finally come to their senses and was defunding PP. Although, I don't think SGK's funding was exactly what was keeping PP afloat. But because the uptight righties were crowing about how SGK had come out against abortion (which I don't recall SGK ever doing, just not funding the centers that weren't doing mammograms), PP came out swinging and screaming about what idiots SGK was and how SGK had shown itself to be, basically, misogynist. In other words, both sides had their actions misinterpreted by both sides of the debate and both sides misrepresented the other side's statements and intentions and which side won depends on which side you supported in the first place. Or, did I get that completely wrong? In the end, I don't think either side won. And, if a cure for breast cancer, to whom I've lost a sister, a step-sister, and an aunt, gets delayed because of the female version of this colossal rooster dance, a pox on both your houses.

Can someone tell me what really happened, should I be (as my wife is wont to point out) incorrect?
 
2012-03-20 11:49:55 PM  
twats

/ The last good insult not filtered by Fark
// Ha Ha! Fark filter you are TWATS!
 
2012-03-20 11:51:53 PM  
Rapmaster2000 ,
I'm sure that the women who donate to Komen will just get over it, move on, and forget all about it. If you know anything about women, you know how easily they move past and forget past transgressions.


With statments like that you will soon be entering into the upper tier of of fark trolls.

PocketNinja will eventally provide you with an honorary lapel pin.
 
2012-03-20 11:52:13 PM  

ElizaDoolittle: AbbeySomeone:
Precisely. Diseases are big business, particularly cancers; major money genrators. I'm convinced that they don't want to find a cure.
Some of the perfume they sold had agents that caused breast cancer. Lol.
Most charities are a racket.

I really admire you for the tough stance you've taken on this from the start. I share your views. I was at the supermarket the other day and they had a stand of ordinary bottled water, but this one was marked with a pink label. My gut instinct was to take a sharpie to the sign. Luckily I am usually a law-abiding citizen who hates scenes, but that tells you how far SGK has fallen in my view. My mother died of BC, so my usual instinct is to support anything that is working for a cure for it. I just don't think SGK is doing that anymore. Corporations used to think this was a safe, non-controversial charity to sponsor, because who wants women to develop BC? Plus it sounded female-friendly so they could tout all the diversity they love to talk about but don't practice that much. I'll bet they will get some interesting feedback from their female employees or directors.

Kinda CSB: When all the shiat was hitting the fan, I wrote to my estate lawyer. (She refuses to use email.) I asked if I could change the beneficiary of most of the trust from SGK to Planned Parenthood, and how much she would charge me to do it. She called me and said, "I'll just charge for the paralegal/paperwork. I'll waive my fee. I know why you're doing this and I'd be glad to help you."


At a certain point non-profits stop being about serving a cause and become all about paying big executive salaries. The United Way is the best example of this. Last I read, 98% of the money they collected went to "operational expenses". SGK is just another in a long line of businesses that do not deserve tax exempt status.

/does anyone have a citation on that 98% claim I'm making?
 
2012-03-20 11:52:27 PM  
hdhale
The hypocrisy in this thread, coming mostly from Democrats, in particular those that support charities of a Liberal bent that are selective about how they give out money, is delicious.

So I finally mapped out your curious grasp of grammar to mean: "The hypocrisy in this thread is delicious. It comes mostly from Democrats, especially those that support charities that are selective about how they give out money."

I'm trying to figure out what the "hypocrisy" is supposed to be. Perhaps you can clue us in on this allusion?

At best I figure it's a snide claim that liberalism means fiscal irresponsibility or economic blindness. However that would be rude of me to assume you're suggesting something so completely retarded.
 
2012-03-20 11:52:52 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: Tough shiat. They could start performing the same services as Planned Parenthood, and I would never again give them a penny. They burned their bridge with our family.


Likewise.
 
2012-03-20 11:53:21 PM  

Mr. Right: Since this thread is so full of experts, I'm sure someone can enlighten me...


Sure, I can give you the correct response to your question.

tl dnr

You're welcome.
 
2012-03-20 11:53:47 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Give locally. The bigger the charity, the bigger the scam.


Many local organizations raise $10s of millions annually, and are not scams. There are a number I can think of that are in that category, and yet spend over 90% of the resources they get on programs serving their mission.

There are also plenty that are scams, but that's why the 990's are open records. It's pretty easy to figure out what your money is being spent on.
 
2012-03-20 11:54:30 PM  

FlashHarry: hell hath no fury, eh?

/fark them.


Oh, suck a dick, would you? I know you want to.
Actually That is a terrible thing I just said. It demeans women.
 
2012-03-20 11:55:17 PM  
www.ail.com.hk
Veteran of the Proto-Culture War.
 
2012-03-20 11:57:18 PM  
"Wenn ich Kultur höre ... entsichere ich meinen Browning!"
 
2012-03-20 11:57:43 PM  

Ghastly: [www.ail.com.hk image 500x342]
Veteran of the Proto-Culture War.


ok points for the robotech reference, should have gone for a Lisa image though.
 
2012-03-20 11:58:39 PM  

xaldin: Ghastly: [www.ail.com.hk image 500x342]
Veteran of the Proto-Culture War.

ok points for the robotech reference, should have gone for a Lisa image though.


Yeah. I picture of her doing the dishes.
 
2012-03-20 11:59:06 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Rapmaster2000 ,
I'm sure that the women who donate to Komen will just get over it, move on, and forget all about it. If you know anything about women, you know how easily they move past and forget past transgressions.

With statments like that you will soon be entering into the upper tier of of fark trolls.

PocketNinja will eventally provide you with an honorary lapel pin.


That would be awesome. To be honest, a lot of my trolling is pretty labored. I'd like to get that breezy style as showcased by MikeLowell. That guy is setting the standard these days.
 
2012-03-21 12:02:49 AM  

Ghastly: xaldin: Ghastly: [www.ail.com.hk image 500x342]
Veteran of the Proto-Culture War.

ok points for the robotech reference, should have gone for a Lisa image though.

Yeah. I picture of her doing the dishes.


I see Ghastly again!!!!
I'm sure you're joking about the dishes thing.
 
2012-03-21 12:02:52 AM  
I think PP owes Komen a little gratitude, even if it's not done publicly. The simple fact that Komen decided to pull funding resulted in PP raking in almost as much in private donations over the course of a few days as Komen gave them in a year. Their PR Dept couldn't have planned that kind of fund raising scheme if they tried. It does make me wonder how many of those people will ever donate again though.
 
2012-03-21 12:05:08 AM  
I love the conservative outrage and butthurt when they politicize something that was not seen as political or controversial to begin with, then act surprised when it all blows up in their face.

Especially when people do the opposite of what their actions were meant to prevent, like providing additional funding for PP while demonized the biatch and foundation that tried to pull this shiat.

stop trying to roll back not only the 1960's, but the enlightenment. Like the war, you lost. Get over it.
 
2012-03-21 12:06:56 AM  
"personal" reasons like "I discovered I'm an idiot"?

Perhaps the fundamental inability of their executives to answer questions truthfully has something to do with the decreased success in fundraising?
 
2012-03-21 12:09:15 AM  

Djkb: Won't somebody PLEASE think of the boobies?


first and foremost, it's all about the saggers.
 
2012-03-21 12:09:19 AM  
Komen can cry me a river. They're the ones who started off this Republican War on Women because they put a Republican CEO to undermine the association because if their wildly misguided Jesus Crusade that somehow hates half the population. The only good that is coming out of this whole debacle is that it's starting a movement to remove Republicans from power anywhere since they're pretty broken human beings.
 
2012-03-21 12:09:47 AM  

OgreMagi: At a certain point non-profits stop being about serving a cause and become all about paying big executive salaries. The United Way is the best example of this. Last I read, 98% of the money they collected went to "operational expenses". SGK is just another in a long line of businesses that do not deserve tax exempt status.

/does anyone have a citation on that 98% claim I'm making?


They spend almost everything the bring in, that's true. A lot of that is spent funding other charities though. That's how the United Way works. They basically collect money for other organizations that can't afford the costs of fundraising on their own.

The United Way funds a ton of local non-profits in almost every corner of the US. If you want more information I bet they'd have someone at your local affiliate who could help explain the 990 if downloading it from Guidestar doesn't make it a lot more clear.

/i've worked around some non-profits
//statistics like that 98% can be easily manipulated
///98% is probably what they spend of total income for 2009 or 2010, but it's only accurate in that it's not a lie
//it's really not at all accurate
/but, it's no lie
 
2012-03-21 12:10:20 AM  

RexTalionis: There are hundreds of smaller organizations that get funding from SGK that people don't donate directly en mass, like with Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is only a small part of the puzzle. The small local clinic that does screenings or free mammograms don't get the kind of money that Planned Parenthood can get and are reliant on grants from organizations like SGK.


It's a shame Komen farked them over.
 
2012-03-21 12:10:32 AM  

Mr. Right: Since this thread is so full of experts, I'm sure someone can enlighten me. If I understood the original fooforaw correctly, SGK decided to not donate their usual amount to some PP centers because the PP centers were not offering mammograms but referring women to another center. I know that a bunch of folks on the right blew this all out of proportion saying that SGK had finally come to their senses and was defunding PP. Although, I don't think SGK's funding was exactly what was keeping PP afloat. But because the uptight righties were crowing about how SGK had come out against abortion (which I don't recall SGK ever doing, just not funding the centers that weren't doing mammograms), PP came out swinging and screaming about what idiots SGK was and how SGK had shown itself to be, basically, misogynist. In other words, both sides had their actions misinterpreted by both sides of the debate and both sides misrepresented the other side's statements and intentions and which side won depends on which side you supported in the first place. Or, did I get that completely wrong? In the end, I don't think either side won. And, if a cure for breast cancer, to whom I've lost a sister, a step-sister, and an aunt, gets delayed because of the female version of this colossal rooster dance, a pox on both your houses.

Can someone tell me what really happened, should I be (as my wife is wont to point out) incorrect?


In early 2011, SGK appointed Karen Handel as VP of Public Policy or something like that. Handel was on recent record saying she did not like PP and would take steps to eliminate funding going to PP for the purpose of breast and cervical cancer screenings.

Shortly after Handel started, SGK adopts a rule forbidding them from providing funding to any organization undergoing a federal, state or local investigation. In mid-2011, Rep. Stearns (R-FL) launches an "investigation" into PP use of funding and policies. Stearns is also a outspoken critic of PP and abortion.

In 2012, SGK announces that it's going to enforce it's "investigation rule" and stop providing money to PP. Despite the fact that they also give money to Penn State and a hospital in Dallas, both of which are under large investigations and are keeping their funding.

I believe that some mid-to-high level exec in SGK resigned immediately when the decision was announced, and that internal leaks said the move was motivated only by the fact that PP provides abortions. Handel herself resigned about a week after the decision. SGK claims that they've ammended their policy that investigations must be criminal, not political, in nature, but still (to my knowledge) provides funds to Penn State.
 
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