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(Montreal Gazette)   Ex-singer of meandering, pompous, sterile-sounding prog rock band Emerson, Lake & Palmer claims punk rock was just a "fashion movement" with "No real music there"   (montrealgazette.com ) divider line
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2012-03-20 02:27:49 PM  
Pretty big words from a guy partially responsible for this

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-03-20 03:54:28 PM  
"It was over then," he said. "You had people inventing genres - house, new wave, garage, grunge. There were 20 stupid words for 20 stupid musical directions."

Yeah, House and New Wave by no means revolutionized music at all. Moron.

Yeah, "grunge" was a stupid title that none of the big bands in the genere really used. But it was revolutionary in bringing back real no-frills rock and roll back to the forefront.

Garage? No idea what you're talking about there. Thats the title of a genre from the 1960's.
 
2012-03-20 03:55:21 PM  
Hilarious. Assholes like you motivated kids to go back to basic, real rock-n-roll

So f*ck/thank you!
 
2012-03-20 04:12:02 PM  

jj325: Pretty big words from a guy partially responsible for this



Or this (new window)
 
2012-03-20 04:14:29 PM  
I have no idea who this guy is but I'm pretty sure he is wrong. I see an old rocker yelling at clouds.
 
2012-03-20 04:43:09 PM  
As someone who loves Genesis and Pink Floyd and Yes in their progressive eras...

"you'renothelping.jpg"
 
2012-03-20 04:50:27 PM  
I like Lucky Man
 
2012-03-20 05:08:03 PM  
The album art for Brain Salad Surgery was done by H.R. Giger of Alien fame.
 
2012-03-20 05:46:24 PM  
meandering, pompous, sterile-sounding prog rock

So most of the 90's?
 
2012-03-20 05:59:32 PM  
As for the fashion thing, he's kind of right. Gerald Casale will tell you how DEVO were shunned from punk shows because the "punk" thing at the time was to wear white shirts and ties. That's right; punks didn't like them because THEY DIDN'T CONFORM.

Still, Lake is a nonsensical windbag and the only ELP songs worth listening to will barely fill a CD.
 
2012-03-20 06:00:10 PM  

vernonFL: The album art for Brain Salad Surgery was done by H.R. Giger of Alien fame.


yes, yes it was
 
2012-03-20 06:00:25 PM  
"The punk thing wasn't a musical movement," he said. "It was a fashion movement."

Come on, just because music was essentially on the Paris Hilton/Kim Kardashian level of talent and everybody was required to dress according to dress code... Wait..
 
2012-03-20 06:00:36 PM  
Pretty sure that there's a fair number of punk rock band members from back in the day would agree with him.
 
2012-03-20 06:02:41 PM  
Hey! There was spitting! And spitting counts!
 
2012-03-20 06:04:10 PM  
meandering, pompous, sterile-sounding prog rock band


Hey, some people really dig Radiohead
 
2012-03-20 06:04:49 PM  

I Like Bread: the only ELP songs worth listening to will barely fill a CD.


Which is to say, about two songs, each a ponderous 20 minutes long.
 
2012-03-20 06:06:49 PM  
Fark all of you and get the hell of my lawn, ELP rocked like a hurricane!
 
2012-03-20 06:07:14 PM  
Rock and roll, at its core, is about rebellion and creative destruction. The best music, in ANY genre, is made by those first few iconoclasts who fuel passion into new sounds. That's why a band's first few albums are almost always better than their later ones, and why every decade or so, rock must be renewed by destroying its former idols. Early rock and roll destroyed the crooners of the 40s; The Beatles destroyed early formulaic 50's rock, then came hard rock, progressive, punk, new wave, metal, grunge, alt-rock, indie, etc. We ought to have reverence for the brilliance of our forebears, but if music stays still, it withers and dies.
 
2012-03-20 06:08:03 PM  
This is a bookmark so I can read about all the music-genre fighting tomorrow. Will there be best-pizza-in-the-US and most-excellent-beer threads tonight, too, so I can enjoy the subjective-enjoyment trifecta on Wednesday?
 
2012-03-20 06:09:16 PM  

shoegaze99: I Like Bread: the only ELP songs worth listening to will barely fill a CD.

Which is to say, about two songs, each a ponderous 20 minutes long.


Actually Lucky Man and Still...You Turn Me On only clock in at a paltry 7 1/2 minutes.
 
mhd
2012-03-20 06:09:17 PM  

jj325: Pretty big words from a guy partially responsible for this
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x220]


OTOH, this:

i.imgur.com

I do agree with him. But then again, this is true for every music style, basically for every art from. For some more than others, I'd say, but there it gets kinda de gustibus...
 
2012-03-20 06:11:02 PM  
They both suck.
 
2012-03-20 06:13:13 PM  
I thought the whole point of punk was that there was no real music there.
 
2012-03-20 06:13:34 PM  
Stop liking things that I don't like.

/don't like punk
//real music died in approx 1976, the year that I was born
///get off my lawn
 
2012-03-20 06:13:56 PM  
www.lo-fi-merchandise.com
 
2012-03-20 06:14:20 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Hilarious. Assholes like you motivated kids to go back to basic, real rock-n-roll


I believe Johnny Rotten cited ELP specifically when he was discussing what drove the Sex Pistols to form. The kids were weary of all that boring, leaden prog rock schmaltz. They wanted to explode and that meant they had to return to the roots of rock n' roll. Of course, there'd be no point in playing 50's dance hall tunes in the 1970's, so they added a twist: anarchy and violence. Loud distortion was happily borrowed from heavy metal.

I can see why that would hurt Greg Lake's feelings. I'm a huge prog fan and I love ELP (up to Works Vol2, anyway). Punk rock was devoid of craft, which made it easy to dismiss. But it had something prog didn't: the imagination of the yoof. That must have really burnt Lake's britches. And besides..."Love Beach", Greg? STFU.

Prog rock was what it was, when it was. I'm glad it was subsumed. Its time had come.
 
2012-03-20 06:14:29 PM  
CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 10/28/72

40: BACK STABBERS - O'JAY'S
39: FROM THE BEGINNING - EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER
38: PAPA WAS A ROLLING STONE - THE TEMPTATIONS
37: SPEAK TO THE SKY - RICK SPRINGFIELD
36: IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME BY NOW - HAROLD MELVIN & THE BLUE NOTES
35: DON'T DO IT - THE BAND
34: AMERICAN CITY SUITE - CASHMAN & WEST
33: GO ALL THE WAY - THE RASPBERRIES
32: ELECTED - ALICE COOPER
31: GET ON THE GOOD FOOT, PART 1 - JAMES BROWN
30: LOVING YOU JUST CROSSED MY MIND - SAM NEELY
29: YOU WEAR IT WELL - ROD STEWART
28: SUMMER BREEZE - SEALS & CROFTS
27: MIDNIGHT RIDER - JOE COCKER
26: I BELIEVE IN MUSIC - GALLERY
25: SPACEMAN - NILSSON
24: POPCORN - HOT BUTTER
23: DON'T EVER BE LONELY (A POOR LITTLE FOOL LIKE ME) - CORNELIUS BROTHERS AND SISTER ROSE
22: THUNDER AND LIGHTNING - CHI COLTRANE
21: BABY DON'T GET HOOKED ON ME - MAC DAVIS
20: STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN - MEL & TIM
19: IF I COULD REACH YOU - 5TH DIMENSION
18: THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS - ARLO GUTHRIE
17: I AM WOMAN - HELEN REDDY
16: WITCHY WOMAN - THE EAGLES
15: I'D LOVE YOU TO WANT ME - LOBO
14: I'LL BE AROUND - THE SPINNERS
13: WHY / LONELY BOY - DONNY OSMOND
12: LISTEN TO THE MUSIC - THE DOOBIE BROTHERS
11: TIGHTROPE - LEON RUSSELL
10: GOOD TIME CHARLIE'S GOT THE BLUES - DANNY O' KEEFE
9: EVERYBODY PLAYS THE FOOL - THE MAIN INGREDIENT
8: BEN - MICHAEL JACKSON
7: GARDEN PARTY - RICK NELSON & THE STONE CANYON BAND
6: FREDDIE'S DEAD (THEME FROM "SUPERFLY") - CURTIS MAYFIELD
5: I CAN SEE CLEARLY NOW - JOHNNY NASH
4: USE ME - BILL WITHERS
3: NIGHTS IN WHITE SATIN - THE MOODY BLUES
2: BURNING LOVE - ELVIS PRESLEY
1: MY DING-A-LING - CHUCK BERRY
 
2012-03-20 06:15:09 PM  

drewogatory: shoegaze99: I Like Bread: the only ELP songs worth listening to will barely fill a CD.

Which is to say, about two songs, each a ponderous 20 minutes long.

Actually Lucky Man and Still...You Turn Me On only clock in at a paltry 7 1/2 minutes.


I'd add Karn Evil 9 to this admittedly small list.
 
2012-03-20 06:15:24 PM  

Solid Muldoon: I thought the whole point of punk was that there was no real music there.


You thought wrong.
 
2012-03-20 06:16:38 PM  
The best rock n roll, from its beggining to now, has always been based on simplicity, the simpler, the better... some of those prog rock bands are good, but really doesn't hold a candle next to a really good 3 chord song
 
2012-03-20 06:16:43 PM  

Coriantumr: Rock and roll, at its core, is about rebellion and creative destruction. The best music, in ANY genre, is made by those first few iconoclasts who fuel passion into new sounds. That's why a band's first few albums are almost always better than their later ones, and why every decade or so, rock must be renewed by destroying its former idols. Early rock and roll destroyed the crooners of the 40s; The Beatles destroyed early formulaic 50's rock, then came hard rock, progressive, punk, new wave, metal, grunge, alt-rock, indie, etc. We ought to have reverence for the brilliance of our forebears, but if music stays still, it withers and dies.


So, considering the generational thing, rock'n'roll began in the 1950s and then became a musical pattern of a generation dismissing the music of its parents but embracing and redefining the music of its grandparents. Is that it?

And I assume things are happening much faster now.

Get off my lawn.
 
2012-03-20 06:17:04 PM  
As former Ramones manager Danny Fields explained, "They left a legacy of bands. Kids [that] thought we had no future: 'Look at them. They can't play. They're terrible! They don't know more than three notes... They're big. They're famous. Everyone can get laid. Let's start a band!' Every place we went to, there were bands that did not exist when The Ramones first played there, and when they came back, they did. [They were] pied pipers out there."

And ELP wanted to get laid and get high just as bad as The Ramones. They just played in a different mode and played longer.
 
2012-03-20 06:19:14 PM  
I'm a huge prog fan thanks in large part to my exposure to ELP and early Genesis. As someone with a music performance background (not professional) it was cool to hear modern instruments used by virtuoso players and to hear them for more than 3 minutes 30 seconds at a shot. McLaren and his crowd couldn't even name 1/3 of the chords Emerson played and needed a smoke/drink break between every 2 minute rant.
 
2012-03-20 06:20:13 PM  

downstairs: "It was over then," he said. "You had people inventing genres - house, new wave, garage, grunge. There were 20 stupid words for 20 stupid musical directions."

Yeah, House and New Wave by no means revolutionized music at all. Moron.

Yeah, "grunge" was a stupid title that none of the big bands in the genere really used. But it was revolutionary in bringing back real no-frills rock and roll back to the forefront.

Garage? No idea what you're talking about there. Thats the title of a genre from the 1960's.


To be fair, most rock and pop music sub-genres weren't so much inventing new musical styles as stealing different parts of grown-up musical styles like Classical, Jazz, and Metal (and maybe bluegrass/old country, I guess) and putting them together in different ways. Rock has been a dumbed-down version of music for mass consumption since it was invented, it seems a bit silly to get into nitpicking fights over which elements your favored style carried with them in the course of the dumbing down.

//Not that it's not perfectly good music, Zeppelin was basically popular blues songs, electric version and it was pretty awesome.
 
2012-03-20 06:24:13 PM  
I'm not a big fan of ELP, but punk and grunge are totally boring in just about every way music can be. They were unique however. But Nirvana just didn't cut after I turned 17 and discovered real musicians.
 
2012-03-20 06:24:56 PM  

HappyHarryHardOn: The best rock n roll, from its beggining to now, has always been based on simplicity, the simpler, the better... some of those prog rock bands are good, but really doesn't hold a candle next to a really good 3 chord song


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2012-03-20 06:26:10 PM  
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2012-03-20 06:28:41 PM  

Gunny Highway: [www.lo-fi-merchandise.com image 640x267]


Nonsense is better than no sense at all.
 
2012-03-20 06:29:51 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 10/28/72


Nina_Hartley's_Ass:
2: BURNING LOVE - ELVIS PRESLEY
1: MY DING-A-LING - CHUCK BERRY


Irony, thy name is this entire thread.
 
2012-03-20 06:31:02 PM  

23FPB23: Nonsense is better than no sense at all.


I would like it if they played in NA some time soon (besides Vancouver)
 
2012-03-20 06:31:08 PM  
My first college roommate had an 8-track player and 3 tapes, one of which was ELP. After that I can find nothing good say about ELP. Just looking at that combination of letters brings back the stench of cheap strawberry incense, stale cigarette smoke, and rancid spilled beer. Thanks for nothing, subby.
 
2012-03-20 06:34:14 PM  
He's wrong, but ELP at their peak was pretty awesome.
 
2012-03-20 06:36:49 PM  

Gunny Highway: 23FPB23: Nonsense is better than no sense at all.

I would like it if they played in NA some time soon (besides Vancouver)


I had to travel to St Louis and Chicago to see them on the ONE tour, and that was over 10 years ago....gotta love the interwebs....all these years later, video footage, taken by a guy standing next to me in the crowd, shows up on youtube from the St Louis show. Removal opened both shows. 'Twas awesome.

Also, the video from the shows that Live+ Cuddly came from are youtubed too, good synch and quality.
 
2012-03-20 06:38:21 PM  
The sure sign of someone without taste is a person who thinks there is one true form of music.

It's ok to not like a genre, but to actively hate anything that isn't you or your influence just reveals why ELP is as relevant as it is today.
 
2012-03-20 06:40:19 PM  

23FPB23: Also, the video from the shows that Live+ Cuddly came from are youtubed too, good synch and quality.


If that isnt one of the best live albums ever I dont know what is.

I am willing to go just about anywhere within 10 hours to see them. I had the oppertunity to check Mike Watt off my To Do List this year. NMN and GWAR (who are playing tonight in my city but I am working) are right at the top.
 
2012-03-20 06:41:03 PM  

Blame Hofmann: But Nirvana just didn't cut after I turned 17 and discovered real musicians.


Nirvana is this generation's de facto "Young person's first beloved band"; you get over them when you discover all the bands that influenced Nirvana were much better and much more original than Nirvana gets credit for.


as for Prog, it certainly seems like a lot of Prog bands seemed to be taking cues from Punk, particularly New Wave, in the 80s.
 
2012-03-20 06:43:45 PM  
ELP is like the Winger of prog rock.
 
2012-03-20 06:44:52 PM  

karmaceutical: ELP is like the Winger of prog rock.


Ouch... that's just hateful.

/not that I'm arguing
 
2012-03-20 06:46:04 PM  
I saw ELP in Detroit years ago (but the P was Cozy Powell because Palmer was w/ Asia at the time).... Great show.
 
2012-03-20 06:47:07 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: Blame Hofmann: But Nirvana just didn't cut after I turned 17 and discovered real musicians.

Nirvana is this generation's de facto "Young person's first beloved band"; you get over them when you discover all the bands that influenced Nirvana were much better and much more original than Nirvana gets credit for


It is true that The Melvins, Wipers, Meat Puppets (etc) are better but Nirvana is still really good.
 
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