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(Forbes)   The ten worst-built cars of 2012. Or, what the taxpayers got in return for saving GM, Chrysler and the UAW   (forbes.com) divider line 460
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2012-03-20 10:25:58 AM
BUT WE HAD TO SAVE THE UNIONS!!!!!1!
Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.
 
2012-03-20 10:38:50 AM
No surprise that most of the list is Chrysler products.
 
2012-03-20 10:39:31 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.


Yes because we all know these 10 vehicles were all conceived, designed, engineered, and marketed by union workers. The decision to use cheap plastic instead of metal was a union decision. The decision to build gas guzzling behemoths with inefficient powerplants is a union decision. It's all the union fault.
 
2012-03-20 10:42:55 AM
The Cadillac spokesmodel, OTOH, looks like she's very well built:

blogs-images.forbes.com
 
2012-03-20 10:43:17 AM

jehovahs witness protection: BUT WE HAD TO SAVE THE UNIONS!!!!!1!
Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.


"built buy"? Sorry, in this country we speak American
 
2012-03-20 10:49:34 AM
Why are 80% of the 10 worst "cars" trucks or SUVs? Would that not require another list?

It's amazing when you just pour through consumer reports to fit the narrative you've already constructed.

How many American cars are in the top 10 for full-size, compact, and midsize? It's a lot, I know because I looked before I bought my Hyundai.

I know Forbes, I hate America too. It's ok. The black guy will be gone in 2016.
 
2012-03-20 10:52:33 AM
I'm not a big Jeep fan, but I have to take umbrage with the article for criticizing the Wrangler for not being a better road vehicle. It's designed to be fun and capable off road, so of course it's going to not be a Ferrari Towncar in the city, dumbasses.
 
2012-03-20 10:59:27 AM

Calmamity: I'm not a big Jeep fan, but I have to take umbrage with the article for criticizing the Wrangler for not being a better road vehicle. It's designed to be fun and capable off road, so of course it's going to not be a Ferrari Towncar in the city, dumbasses.


Yeah, I like CR, but their reviewers seem to start with a preconception that all vehicles have to drive, feel, and sound like a Infiniti M, even if the vehicles primary purpose is completely different than that of a luxury sedan.
 
2012-03-20 11:26:18 AM
wtf is a ferrari towncar?
 
2012-03-20 11:31:11 AM

NewportBarGuy: The black guy will be gone in 2016 2017.


The election will be in November 2016. The inauguration will be in January 2017.
 
2012-03-20 11:32:56 AM

Dinki: Calmamity: I'm not a big Jeep fan, but I have to take umbrage with the article for criticizing the Wrangler for not being a better road vehicle. It's designed to be fun and capable off road, so of course it's going to not be a Ferrari Towncar in the city, dumbasses.

Yeah, I like CR, but their reviewers seem to start with a preconception that all vehicles have to drive, feel, and sound like a Infiniti M, even if the vehicles primary purpose is completely different than that of a luxury sedan.


No, they don't even recommend the Infiniti M. Frankly, their standards for what is 'recommended' vs. 'not recommended' are about as consistent as the results of a Rasmussen poll.
 
2012-03-20 11:32:59 AM

King Something: NewportBarGuy: The black guy will be gone in 2016 2017.

The election will be in November 2016. The inauguration will be in January 2017.


and that's just when the first eviction notice goes out. who knows when it'll finally be move-in ready for the next guy.

raaaaaacism
 
2012-03-20 11:35:27 AM
What did the taxpayers get for saving GM? Well, the taxpayers got a stabilized automotive industry and thus saved a whole fark load of jobs. What did the taxpayers get in return for invading Iraq/Afghanistan?

- For all of 2011, G.M. earned $7.6 billion, nearly all of it from North America. That was 62 percent higher than the $4.7 billion it earned a year ago
- The results mean G.M.'s hourly workers in the United States will receive profit-sharing checks next month of up to $7,000, a record.
 
2012-03-20 11:36:11 AM
Used to be a dispatcher for a tow truck company. The number one, bar none vehicle we'd always be towing was the Escalade. Second was cleanup from motorcycle accidents.
 
2012-03-20 11:36:26 AM
List fails without:

3.bp.blogspot.com

CR's Fisker Karma broke down during calibration tests. They hadn't even *begun* the real testing.
 
2012-03-20 11:39:03 AM
Why does Consumer Reports still hate America? Why does Forbes hate its readers so much that it republishes CR's BS?

//Understand the farked-up bankruptcies, but still don't feel good about the way the government handled them
 
2012-03-20 11:39:33 AM
Nobody who wants a nice, well-built vehicle buys a truck or SUV. Those that do are delusional.

Ford and GM are both building really nice cars. Chrysler...well...maybe they should have been allowed to DIAF.
 
2012-03-20 11:39:45 AM
we can save wall street bankers but not working class people.

/this is what republicans actually believe.
 
2012-03-20 11:40:18 AM

Calmamity: I'm not a big Jeep fan, but I have to take umbrage with the article for criticizing the Wrangler for not being a better road vehicle. It's designed to be fun and capable off road, so of course it's going to not be a Ferrari Towncar in the city, dumbasses.


Consumer Reports has long had a hatred for Jeep. They have similar issues with most sports cars. It's just not their demographic.
 
2012-03-20 11:40:35 AM

jehovahs witness protection: BUT WE HAD TO SAVE THE UNIONS!!!!!1!
Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.


My wife's Nissan has 30,000 miles and has had a transmission replacement (which went out on her as we were moving), has had its drivetrain warranty extended due to issues, and has needed a new radiator. Its fit and finish are already so deteriorated that it looks like a ten year old car.

My Ford Escape, which I had for two years before we bought the Nissan, lasted me until 160,000 miles with no major failures until the catalytic converter went out. Now I drive a German-made (by Eurosocialist unionists, no doubt) car that far exceeds anything else I've ever driven.

I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but c'mon. Nissan?
 
2012-03-20 11:40:44 AM

Znuh: Used to be a dispatcher for a tow truck company. The number one, bar none vehicle we'd always be towing was the Escalade. Second was cleanup from motorcycle accidents.


The cool thing about motorcycle accidents was that there was never anyone around to argue that it DIDN'T take three hours to get the bike out of the ditch and onto the flatbed. Damage was never an issue either.
 
2012-03-20 11:41:20 AM
The Cadilac Escalade? They're making for black people. Why bother with anything other than the rims.
 
2012-03-20 11:41:35 AM

HulkHands: jehovahs witness protection: BUT WE HAD TO SAVE THE UNIONS!!!!!1!
Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.

"built buy"? Sorry, in this country we speak American


Actually if you spoke that sentence, it would be correct. I think you meant "spell"
 
2012-03-20 11:41:55 AM
Clearly, bailout wasn't big enough.
 
2012-03-20 11:41:55 AM
WTF, nearly all of the complaints cited had to do with handling, safety and fuel economy. Those are design flaws not issues with the construction, and are endemic to high-ground clearance off-road capable vehicles and towing vehicles. If you buy a vehicle that is supposed to be able to handle off-road conditions you have to accept that your not going to get awesome on-road cornering and gas mileage.

Fit and finish problems can be shared between contruction and design.
 
2012-03-20 11:42:04 AM

keiran: Chrysler...well...maybe they should have been allowed to DIAF.


Chrysler did die in a fire. Fiat bought the stationary and some of the plants.
 
2012-03-20 11:42:08 AM
No Fiats? No Jaguar? Crap list.

/Don't ever subscribe to Forbes unless you want to be on the Republican National Committee mail list.
//Been there.
 
2012-03-20 11:43:07 AM

Lane83: jehovahs witness protection: BUT WE HAD TO SAVE THE UNIONS!!!!!1!
Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.

My wife's Nissan has 30,000 miles and has had a transmission replacement (which went out on her as we were moving), has had its drivetrain warranty extended due to issues, and has needed a new radiator. Its fit and finish are already so deteriorated that it looks like a ten year old car.

My Ford Escape, which I had for two years before we bought the Nissan, lasted me until 160,000 miles with no major failures until the catalytic converter went out. Now I drive a German-made (by Eurosocialist unionists, no doubt) car that far exceeds anything else I've ever driven.

I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but c'mon. Nissan?


Nissan's too expensive for me anyway, I usually just go for the cheap-ass Maruchan. Stuff's like 10 cents a case.
 
2012-03-20 11:43:18 AM
lennavan
What did the taxpayers get for saving GM? Well, the taxpayers got a stabilized automotive industry and thus saved a whole fark load of jobs. What did the taxpayers get in return for invading Iraq/Afghanistan?


A stabilized middle east and access to oil. Not to mention all those hundreds of thousands of jobs. Why you love Union jobs but not military jobs... why do you hate America!!
 
2012-03-20 11:43:55 AM

derpdeederp: A stabilized middle east and access to oil.


Oh, so that's why gas prices are so low. Cool, my bad.
 
2012-03-20 11:44:45 AM
What, Chevy Volt didn't make the list?

First off, they spent billions to subsidize the bastards, they give you $8000 in tax money to buy one, and even after all that they only sold 7800 of them so far, meaning they could have given a Rolls-Royce to everyone who bought a Volt and still come out ahead of the game.

Plus they also catch fire, don't forget that.

They ought to call it a Chevy Parasite: You pay for it if you buy it---and you pay for it even if you DON'T buy it.
 
2012-03-20 11:45:03 AM

Loaf's Tray: Lane83: jehovahs witness protection: BUT WE HAD TO SAVE THE UNIONS!!!!!1!
Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.

My wife's Nissan has 30,000 miles and has had a transmission replacement (which went out on her as we were moving), has had its drivetrain warranty extended due to issues, and has needed a new radiator. Its fit and finish are already so deteriorated that it looks like a ten year old car.

My Ford Escape, which I had for two years before we bought the Nissan, lasted me until 160,000 miles with no major failures until the catalytic converter went out. Now I drive a German-made (by Eurosocialist unionists, no doubt) car that far exceeds anything else I've ever driven.

I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but c'mon. Nissan?

Nissan's too expensive for me anyway, I usually just go for the cheap-ass Maruchan. Stuff's like 10 cents a case.


Itadakimasu!
 
2012-03-20 11:45:11 AM
Several of those choices make no sense.

It's like they are being judged based on what some idiot wants them to be instead of what they are actually designed for.


The Wrangler is not a great road vehicle?

The Escalade/Tahoe gets poor mileage and does not handle that great?

The Smartcar is slow?


Are you farking trolling me bro?
 
2012-03-20 11:45:12 AM
Toyota FJ Cruiser
Unfortunately it scored near the bottom in Consumer Reports road tests and suffers from among the worst driver visibility among all models.

I rode in one for the first time a few weeks ago and this is completely true. It feels like you're in a tank and I could hardly see over the dashboard.
 
2012-03-20 11:45:16 AM
Where are the subsidies for laid-off GT/Schwinn, Cannondale and Specialized employees?

Their vehicles are zero emissions. Unless you go to Taco Bell before you ride.
 
2012-03-20 11:45:38 AM

Dinki: jehovahs witness protection: Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.

Yes because we all know these 10 vehicles were all conceived, designed, engineered, and marketed by union workers. The decision to use cheap plastic instead of metal was a union decision. The decision to build gas guzzling behemoths with inefficient powerplants is a union decision. It's all the union fault.


When they aren't paying for two retirements for a union employee, they can afford to spend a few extra nickels on designing an Altima instead of a Cavalier.
 
2012-03-20 11:45:40 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dinki: Calmamity: I'm not a big Jeep fan, but I have to take umbrage with the article for criticizing the Wrangler for not being a better road vehicle. It's designed to be fun and capable off road, so of course it's going to not be a Ferrari Towncar in the city, dumbasses.

Yeah, I like CR, but their reviewers seem to start with a preconception that all vehicles have to drive, feel, and sound like a Infiniti M, even if the vehicles primary purpose is completely different than that of a luxury sedan.

No, they don't even recommend the Infiniti M. Frankly, their standards for what is 'recommended' vs. 'not recommended' are about as consistent as the results of a Rasmussen poll.


in 2004 the VW Passat was the CR top mid-size sedan pick, despite it ranking near the bottom of CR's own reliability charts. lulz!

next year, the Tahoe, Escalade, Colorado, Liberty will be replaced, and the Avenger will be euthanized.
 
2012-03-20 11:45:54 AM

olddinosaur: Plus they also catch fire, don't forget that.


They fixed that. Now your charred crust of a volt won't catch on fire again.
 
2012-03-20 11:45:55 AM
And all of those vehicles were conceived during the bailout. Not a one existed before.
 
2012-03-20 11:46:44 AM

derpdeederp: lennavan
What did the taxpayers get for saving GM? Well, the taxpayers got a stabilized automotive industry and thus saved a whole fark load of jobs. What did the taxpayers get in return for invading Iraq/Afghanistan?

A stabilized middle east and access to oil. Not to mention all those hundreds of thousands of jobs. Why you love Union jobs but not military jobs... why do you hate America!!


Afghanistan is in Central Asia?

Also, I think Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Israel and Iran would like to discuss Middle Eastern stability with you.
 
2012-03-20 11:46:51 AM

Dinki: jehovahs witness protection: Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.

Yes because we all know these 10 vehicles were all conceived, designed, engineered, and marketed by union workers. The decision to use cheap plastic instead of metal was a union decision. The decision to build gas guzzling behemoths with inefficient powerplants is a union decision. It's all the union fault.


Well it kinda was, how else are they going to pay for the union benefit packages, have to save money somewhere to pay for all those vacation, sick and gold member healthcare cost.
 
2012-03-20 11:46:55 AM
Nice for them to squeeze in Toyota's Fugly Jeep-thing. That piece of shiat deserved a

www.examiner.com

as soon as it was announced.
 
2012-03-20 11:47:17 AM
Surprised that the Escalade is still being made. What an overpriced piece of crap.

I was disappointed that the FJ Cruiser scored so low. I always heard visibility sucked, but I like the styling of them.
 
2012-03-20 11:47:21 AM

Loaf's Tray: Nissan's too expensive for me anyway, I usually just go for the cheap-ass Maruchan. Stuff's like 10 cents a case.


media.comicvine.com
 
2012-03-20 11:47:56 AM
I notice that most, if not all, of the vehicles in the list were conceived and designed before the bailouts.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:01 AM

crab66: Several of those choices make no sense.

It's like they are being judged based on what some idiot wants them to be instead of what they are actually designed for.


The Wrangler is not a great road vehicle?

The Escalade/Tahoe gets poor mileage and does not handle that great?

The Smartcar is slow?


Are you farking trolling me bro?


The criteria that CR judges vehicles on is obviously based on the opinions of 72 year old guys with tobacco stains on their shirts, and that criteria is used to judge all vehicles. I'd hate to see a semi judged by them.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:24 AM
Fark you consumer reports for #5. It's a big truck. Of course it's going to have a less-than-optimal ride that you can't step right into.

Also fark you for the Wrangler. It was never meant to be a smooth-riding commuter car in the first place. Not to mention the outstanding resale value.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:36 AM
I'll just leave this here-
Percent of Vehicles Still Remaining on the Road Today

Yes, I realize there are some inherent problems with looking at this kind of data, but it is good data to have anyway.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:39 AM

This text is now purple: Calmamity: I'm not a big Jeep fan, but I have to take umbrage with the article for criticizing the Wrangler for not being a better road vehicle. It's designed to be fun and capable off road, so of course it's going to not be a Ferrari Towncar in the city, dumbasses.

Consumer Reports has long had a hatred for Jeep. They have similar issues with most sports cars. It's just not their demographic.


It's been that way for decades now.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:52 AM

jehovahs witness protection: BUT WE HAD TO SAVE THE UNIONS!!!!!1!
Buy a Nissan...built buy non-union workers who actually take pride in their work.


and if you'd have bothered to read the ARTICLE (new window) (all three whole paragraphs worth) rather than just look at the pretty pictures you'd have learned this and not looked so stupid:

Let's get this out of the way: There really aren't any truly abysmal new cars in dealers' showrooms any more. Even the worst of the lot would be considered superior when compared to some notorious clunkers from the 1970's and '80's. Still, not all models are created equal. Each offers varying degrees of performance, comfort, utility and economy. A few hit home runs in virtually every category, while others may miss the mark in one or more areas, sometimes as trade offs for excellence in another. Some have just stayed on the shelf for too long and are forced to compete with dated designs and technology.
As the latest round of new-car ratings from Consumer Reports illustrates so soundly, the differences between the "best" vehicles in the market and the also-rans is decreasing to an ever narrowing degree. Truly awful cars from the dark days of the auto industry might have been characterized by inferior engineering, dismal - often hazardous - performance, dubious reliability and fit and finish that rivaled the craftsmanship of a seven-year-old assembling a model car while dozy on plastic-cement fumes. By comparison, some highly criticized new cars today tend to commit far more lenient sins.

For example, Ford dropped from fifth place among all manufacturers rated by Consumer Reports to the 11th spot this year, even though its road-test scores actually improved by two points. What makes better-performing cars bad? The magazine chalks it up to "subpar reliability of some new vehicles, due largely to the troublesome MyFord Touch infotainment system and Power-Shift automatic transmission." We're not big fans of Ford's clumsy control system or the too-busy-for-its-own-good gearbox found in the automaker's smallest cars, but neither qualm is hardly on the same plane as notorious episodes from past model years of cars rolling over and/or out of control in emergency handling maneuvers or bursting into flames following a collision.

Similarly, Honda fell a step out of CR's favor because recently redesigned versions of the compact Civic and Odyssey minivan were good, but not just deemed good enough as the versions they replaced.
 
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