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(USA Today)   Defense attorney for accused Afghan massacre suspect says his client has no memory of the attack, suggests goateed twin brother could be culprit   (usatoday.com) divider line 198
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2012-03-20 10:00:44 AM
Nale?
 
2012-03-20 10:19:08 AM
Well if I had done something like that, I'd try to trick my brain into thinking I didn't remember it either.
 
2012-03-20 11:25:57 AM
Goatse'd twin?
 
2012-03-20 11:27:41 AM
Oh, ok. Well then put him back in active duty then, seems that all's well.
 
2012-03-20 11:29:05 AM
A few days before the incident, his wife put their four-bedroom house up for sale for $229,000 - $51,000 less than they paid for it in 2005.

I present to you the real victim here.
 
2012-03-20 11:33:52 AM
Everyone deserves a defense. Thank goodness I don't have to make one for him.
 
2012-03-20 11:37:27 AM
Ted Bundy, Martin Pang, and now Bales.
 
2012-03-20 11:37:29 AM
Diogenes: Everyone deserves a defense. Thank goodness I don't have to make one for him.

Yeah, I could never be a lawyer. My opening statement for his defense would be something along the lines of, "Yeah, so.. umm, he's totally not guilty, and stuff."
 
2012-03-20 11:40:27 AM
Cythraul: Diogenes: Everyone deserves a defense. Thank goodness I don't have to make one for him.

Yeah, I could never be a lawyer. My opening statement for his defense would be something along the lines of, "Yeah, so.. umm, he's totally not guilty, and stuff."


You have to put your personal feelings aside, put your faith that the system will determine justice (not you), and support that system by performing your role as best you can. I don't think I could do that. I don't have that faith. And it would devastate me if I were to fail my clients.

Which is really too bad since I aced my LSATs.
 
2012-03-20 11:42:54 AM
It would be interesting to know what meds he was taking - if any.
 
2012-03-20 11:52:04 AM
Its always hard to remember things when you're blacked out drunk

That being said, after 4 tours, injuries, an unwanted deployment in the butthole of the world where you watch your friends get killed by your "allies and numerous other issues I can't say I blame him for losing his mind.

Not saying I agree with it, but I at least can have some small semblance of where he was coming from. Either way, that part of the world brings ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the table and we should just leave it be and let them tear themselves apart.
 
2012-03-20 12:15:02 PM
No, it was the one-armed man!!!
 
2012-03-20 12:40:35 PM
So, this guy goes into uncontrolled murder sprees and has no idea it's happening? Then I don't see much value in discussing whether he'll ever re-enter society. As such, we'd get the best mileage out of his prosecution by handing him over to the Afghanis.

Good-bye, crazy dude.
 
2012-03-20 12:43:57 PM
i229.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-20 01:27:25 PM
CitizenTed: So, this guy goes into uncontrolled murder sprees and has no idea it's happening? Then I don't see much value in discussing whether he'll ever re-enter society. As such, we'd get the best mileage out of his prosecution by handing him over to the Afghanis.

Good-bye, crazy dude.


I don't think anyone out there will be making the argument that he will ever re-enter society. His days of freedom are gone no matter what pans out. The question at this point is whether he'll be killed, pounding rocks at Leavenworth for life or locked up in a looney bin for life. There's no way he'll be handed over to the world court or Afghan authorities, that's just not in the cards.

And of course the larger question, why isn't the mental health of active duty service men and women as well as veterans not taken more seriously in the USA?
 
2012-03-20 01:36:18 PM
Does the little jaggoff have any memory of all those old people he swindled as a stock broker?

And on that subject, how does a white collar criminal escape justice simply by enlisting? This isn't the French Foreign Legion and I don't think "service comes with a pardon". I would like to know more.
 
2012-03-20 01:36:18 PM
nekom: CitizenTed: So, this guy goes into uncontrolled murder sprees and has no idea it's happening? Then I don't see much value in discussing whether he'll ever re-enter society. As such, we'd get the best mileage out of his prosecution by handing him over to the Afghanis.

Good-bye, crazy dude.

I don't think anyone out there will be making the argument that he will ever re-enter society. His days of freedom are gone no matter what pans out. The question at this point is whether he'll be killed, pounding rocks at Leavenworth for life or locked up in a looney bin for life. There's no way he'll be handed over to the world court or Afghan authorities, that's just not in the cards.

And of course the larger question, why isn't the mental health of active duty service men and women as well as veterans not taken more seriously in the USA?


They find such methods... unsound.
 
2012-03-20 01:37:10 PM
why would you kill all those blankets?!?!?!
 
2012-03-20 01:38:46 PM
Diogenes: Cythraul: Diogenes: Everyone deserves a defense. Thank goodness I don't have to make one for him.

Yeah, I could never be a lawyer. My opening statement for his defense would be something along the lines of, "Yeah, so.. umm, he's totally not guilty, and stuff."

You have to put your personal feelings aside, put your faith that the system will determine justice (not you), and support that system by performing your role as best you can. I don't think I could do that. I don't have that faith. And it would devastate me if I were to fail my clients.

Which is really too bad since I aced my LSATs.


Ontario recently saw two different cases (Mohd Shafia et al, and Kevin Gregson) where the defendants plead not guilty but put up laughably inadequate defenses that saw them convicted of first degree murder pretty much instantly. I strongly suspect their lawyers knew that they were serving bullshiat but didn't care because their clients were eminently hateable pukes.
 
2012-03-20 01:38:56 PM
Why's it always gotta be the black half?

images.wikia.com
 
2012-03-20 01:40:00 PM
Thousands of veterans come home, shellshocked or not, and we're just not hearing thousands of stories of people entering houses at night and blowing away entire families. This mass murderer should get thrown to the Afghan police.
 
2012-03-20 01:41:09 PM
Cythraul: Diogenes: Everyone deserves a defense. Thank goodness I don't have to make one for him.

Yeah, I could never be a lawyer. My opening statement for his defense would be something along the lines of, "Yeah, so.. umm, he's totally not guilty, and stuff."


He is pretty much admitting guilt. The only question is going to be sane/insane.

Bales, who enlisted in the Army after the 9/11, terrorist attacks allegedly left his combat outpost March 11 and walked to two nearby villages and then shot, stabbed and burned 16 sleeping Afghans, including nine children.

Shot stabbed and burned 16 innocents including children. This is why we have the death penalty.
 
2012-03-20 01:41:56 PM
nekom: CitizenTed: So, this guy goes into uncontrolled murder sprees and has no idea it's happening? Then I don't see much value in discussing whether he'll ever re-enter society. As such, we'd get the best mileage out of his prosecution by handing him over to the Afghanis.

Good-bye, crazy dude.

I don't think anyone out there will be making the argument that he will ever re-enter society. His days of freedom are gone no matter what pans out. The question at this point is whether he'll be killed, pounding rocks at Leavenworth for life or locked up in a looney bin for life. There's no way he'll be handed over to the world court or Afghan authorities, that's just not in the cards.

And of course the larger question, why isn't the mental health of active duty service men and women as well as veterans not taken more seriously in the USA?


I agree we wont hand him over to anyone. We will pay $37K a year for 3 hot meals and a clean concrete room with Cable Tv. He will have Dental and Health benefits and most likely die of sheer boredom.

Our favorite war heros were all insane if you think about it. Watch Patton, Rambo or any other war story. We salute the homicidal maniacs in hollywood and wonder why our soldiers shoot people.
 
2012-03-20 01:42:12 PM
Ah, the old "Oranthal James" defense.
 
2012-03-20 01:42:36 PM
lennavan: He is pretty much admitting guilt. The only question is going to be sane/insane.

I really need to research the use of the insanity defense in military court. Bet it's interesting.
 
2012-03-20 01:43:43 PM
lennavan: Shot stabbed and burned 16 innocents including children. This is why we have the death penalty.

This statement makes me see repeating bears.
 
2012-03-20 01:44:24 PM
ruleux: Our favorite war heros were all insane if you think about it. Watch Patton, Rambo or any other war story. We salute the homicidal maniacs in hollywood and wonder why our soldiers shoot people.

We encourage it on alot of levels. Look at the people who said this guy was a hero and it was a shame he didn't kill more innocent Afghans.

Are those people insane, too?

/rhetorical question
 
2012-03-20 01:44:38 PM
been stated before he went to war he was found guilty of swindling someone for 1 some million or so bucks and had to pay back
 
2012-03-20 01:45:21 PM
Contents Under Pressure: Thousands of veterans come home, shellshocked or not, and we're just not hearing thousands of stories of people entering houses at night and blowing away entire families. This mass murderer should get thrown to the Afghan police.

Where he'll be tried by a show trial and used for propaganda, great idea.
 
2012-03-20 01:45:27 PM
Not really out of bounds in the terms of psychotic breaks. Victims of this will often not be able to remember what happened during or close after, the event. Not saying that his scumbag mouthpiece is is lying, because they all do, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.


Link (new window)
 
2012-03-20 01:45:42 PM
PacManDreaming: Nale?

Not a reference I'd expect to see this early in a thread!
 
2012-03-20 01:46:01 PM
www.wired.com

Even the younglings?
 
2012-03-20 01:48:22 PM
I've always felt the "I drank too much, I'm under pressure, Life sucks, I didn't take my meds" defense was crap. If the situation occurred once, it will occur again and that same weak sack of crap would do it again to some other group.

Fry him. Fry his kids, because being a weak suck is generally genetic.

Thanks to the simple religious folk, we already have far too many people on the planet as it is. The defective should be expunged.
 
2012-03-20 01:48:59 PM
Diogenes: Look at the people who said this guy was a hero and it was a shame he didn't kill more innocent Afghans.

Are those people insane, too?

/rhetorical question


Yes. Yes, they are.

/non-rhetorical answer.
 
2012-03-20 01:49:05 PM
Fano: [www.wired.com image 630x250]

Even the younglings?


Damn you Lucas! Damn you!
/Tiny fist of rage.
 
2012-03-20 01:49:34 PM
Evil Mackerel: Contents Under Pressure: Thousands of veterans come home, shellshocked or not, and we're just not hearing thousands of stories of people entering houses at night and blowing away entire families. This mass murderer should get thrown to the Afghan police.

Where he'll be tried by a show trial and used for propaganda, great idea.


And then hung by the neck until dead. Works for me.
 
2012-03-20 01:51:11 PM
As a defense attorney I am floored by how much this lawyer is talking to the press. He needs to stop giving press conferences for a while because there is no way he will ever make this defendant seem sympathetic.
 
2012-03-20 01:51:20 PM
nekom: And of course the larger question, why isn't the mental health of active duty service men and women as well as veterans not taken more seriously in the USA?

balanced budget. fiscal responsibility. waste of taxpayer dollars. big government. whatever.

/war spending is only good for the GOP as far as the unchallenged no-bid trillions to KBR and Halliburton. after that we got no money for it.
 
2012-03-20 01:51:30 PM
If you've effectively taken their hearts and minds from them, did you also win them?

/deep and horrendously stupid thoughts
 
2012-03-20 01:53:29 PM
Sounds like Mr. Bales is suffering from a malady known as CRSWIC (pronounced "CHRIS-WICK"). It means "Can't Remember Sh*t When It's Convenient."

Guy #1: Yo, man! Where's the $100 that I loaned you last week?
Guy #2: $100???? I have no recollection of this monetary transaction that you are referring to.
Guy #1: You CRSWIC-ing!!! Cut that sh*t out!

Pretty soon, Mr. Bales won't even remember his childhood.
 
2012-03-20 01:53:48 PM
Contents Under Pressure: Thousands of veterans come home, shellshocked battle fatigued or not, and we're just not hearing thousands of stories of people entering houses at night and blowing away entire families. This mass murderer should get thrown to the Afghan police.

/Better not be obscure
 
2012-03-20 01:54:14 PM
Wait, if you kill people in another country, you can still get in trouble for it back in the US?!? This throws some serious wrench in my GTA Style Third World Cross C*ntry Bonanza vacation plans...
 
2012-03-20 01:55:15 PM
Do I win anything because I went to the same High School as him?
 
2012-03-20 01:56:16 PM
Eating Old People to Save Social Security: That being said, after 4 tours, injuries, an unwanted deployment in the butthole of the world where you watch your friends get killed by your "allies and numerous other issues I can't say I blame him for losing his mind.

That might work out for him if he was being tried in a civilian court.

He's going to be in front of a panel of military officers and seniors NCOs, every single one of which has personally or has close friends have N tours in the various buttholes of the world, been injured, seen friends maimed, are on their second, third or fourth marriages or given it up entirely, been pissed off the way the "allies" don't say a thing while you roll toward an IED, and none of them shot a single Afghani, much less sixteen of them.

It also doesn't help that he was injured, then initiated on his own the process to go before a medical review board to justify why he could stay in the Army and be deployable. Don't say this wasn't an unwanted tour. The Army wasn't going to keep him in, and he argued to be stay in and be deployable.

This guy's lawyer may be able to work a jury made of the people that couldn't get out of jury duty. He hasn't had much luck in front of panels of college educated military professionals. See his last military client, Ehren Watada.
 
2012-03-20 01:56:26 PM
If he didn't have some kind of psychotic break, then I wonder if he was trying to commit "suicide by cop" to escape the mess he had back home with his finances. Maybe he was hoping to be caught in the act and shot. His family would receive their benefits and the financial troubles would be over for them.
 
2012-03-20 01:56:27 PM
His lawyer is actually biatching about how there's no forensic evidence taken at the scene, and that nobody has been back since. Your honor, an evil brown person stole my clients uniform and performed these dastardly deeds, then used afgan voodoo to plant only fragments of memories into his head. He is innocent!!
 
2012-03-20 01:56:45 PM
Mugato: A few days before the incident, his wife put their four-bedroom house up for sale for $229,000 - $51,000 less than they paid for it in 2005.

I present to you the real victim here.


maybe the wife told him she was boffing the mailman. That has been known to make dudes go nuts.
 
2012-03-20 01:56:55 PM
I think he should be tried in Afghanistan, after all, they were Afghani civilians.
 
2012-03-20 01:57:01 PM
It all makes sense now.

We'll call a mulligan on this one.
 
2012-03-20 01:57:06 PM
This murdering scumbag ripped off an old man for 1.5 million when he was part of a criminal investment scam.

He was ordered to pay it back and never paid one cent.

He has a long history of crooked behavior.
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Report: Bales committed fraud in 2000 as stock trader

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/03/repor t -bales-committed-fraud-in-2000-as-stock-trader/1#.T2jETMUgd2A
 
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