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2012-03-20 08:17:20 AM
Just how much money did Boehner and McConnell bet on Obama winning by more than 24 1/2 points?

We're clearly reaching the point where there has to be some Randolph and Mortimer thing going on here, because the willful decision to say "We're going to spot you young voters, African-Americans, Hispanics and now every woman in the country before the polls open" is not the decision of a party being led by even the obliquely sane.

This isn't some noble stand for honor, this is jamming the throttle to the "Fark You" setting, aiming for the orphans and war widows spring picnic and strapping yourself to the hood and screaming "VICTORYYYYYY!"
 
2012-03-20 08:18:20 AM
... because Democrats loaded it with other crap....

Coming up next, Republicans will attach the Keystone pipeline thing to it.

/I hate them all....
 
2012-03-20 08:20:42 AM
See? Because liberals tried to prevent conception, government has challenges and there's corruption and violence toward women!

That might not make sense to any sober or fluently literate people, but if you're drunk and bad with words I'm a retroactive Nostradamus.
 
2012-03-20 08:22:38 AM

weave: ... because Democrats loaded it with other crap....


Care to elaborate?

Seems like most of the "other crap" is related to abused spouses and expanding the program to provide more protection for more people who are victims of domestic abuse.
 
2012-03-20 08:23:52 AM
Stay tuned folks, this fatass will open his pie hole and weigh in
on it. This will result in more comedy gold. He just can't help it.

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-03-20 08:26:18 AM
Why do we need a Violence against Women act? Aren't there already a bunch of laws against hitting people, etc?
 
2012-03-20 08:27:01 AM

keylock71: weave: ... because Democrats loaded it with other crap....

Care to elaborate?

Seems like most of the "other crap" is related to abused spouses and expanding the program to provide more protection for more people who are victims of domestic abuse.


I think he means that it protects gays and minorities.

You know? Crap?
 
2012-03-20 08:29:47 AM

Shakespeare's Monkey: Stay tuned folks, this fatass will open his pie hole and weigh in
on it. This will result in more comedy gold. He just can't help it.


"Friends, despite what the drive-by media smear machine will tell you the issue of violence against women, like a Democrat strong on defending America, simply does not exist. We all know that 100% of so-called 'violence against women' can be prevented by the simplest of acts -- the well-laundered shirt; the freshly-made pudding; the demure acquiescence to the declaration 'I'm going away this weekend to my...um...Men's Fellowship meeting in Santo Domingo."
 
2012-03-20 08:30:43 AM

Vodka Zombie: keylock71: weave: ... because Democrats loaded it with other crap....

Care to elaborate?

Seems like most of the "other crap" is related to abused spouses and expanding the program to provide more protection for more people who are victims of domestic abuse.

I think he means that it protects gays and minorities.

You know? Crap?


Also "immigration and Native American jurisdictional issues"

I hate it when they do this, but it's nothing new
 
2012-03-20 08:31:36 AM

keylock71: weave: ... because Democrats loaded it with other crap....

Care to elaborate?

Seems like most of the "other crap" is related to abused spouses and expanding the program to provide more protection for more people who are victims of domestic abuse.


Don't hold you breath. We kept asking them to point out the ""$5 million for the pre-verted arts" rider in the previous thread, and trying to get a straight answer was like trying to nail Jell-O to a wall.
 
2012-03-20 08:32:05 AM

Vodka Zombie: I think he means that it protects gays and minorities.


The story is weak on details, but WTH is Native American jurisdictional issues?

But sure, violence against women is OK. as long as it's another woman doing it
 
2012-03-20 08:33:23 AM

dj_bigbird: Aren't there already a bunch of laws against hitting people, etc?


There are laws against hitting people and against hitting animals. Some in the legal system argue about how to define "people" biblically. For example, married couples are considered one, and the bible forbids wives to strike their husbands, which means a man beating his wife is just self-mutilation, like stretching your earlobes, which is protected as free speech. But the bible doesn't address the legality of beating your fiance, or common-law wife.

They're just closing a possible loophole.
 
2012-03-20 08:34:30 AM

weave: The story is weak on details, but WTH is Native American jurisdictional issues?


Which word's giving you trouble?
 
2012-03-20 08:35:04 AM

Sgt Otter: Don't hold you breath. We kept asking them to point out...


Look. I don't care what kind of names Farkers call me here, but implying that I'm a Republican... that's pretty farking unforgivable.... I demand an apology. I'm outraged.
 
2012-03-20 08:37:12 AM

weave: Vodka Zombie: I think he means that it protects gays and minorities.

The story is weak on details, but WTH is Native American jurisdictional issues?

But sure, violence against women is OK. as long as it's another woman doing it


Um, there are a lot of legal issues surrounding tribal autonomy, including how they can handle legal issues like domestic violence. This places everyone under the same law, regardless of reasoning, race, status, etc. How can it be anything but a good thing?
 
2012-03-20 08:37:17 AM

weave: Sgt Otter: Don't hold you breath. We kept asking them to point out...

Look. I don't care what kind of names Farkers call me here, but implying that I'm a Republican... that's pretty farking unforgivable.... I demand an apology. I'm outraged.


So you're saying you ARE a Republican?
 
2012-03-20 08:39:37 AM

weave: But sure, violence against women is OK. as long as it's another woman doing it


Well, this new law actually targets domestic violence in the gay community, so that's a swing and a miss.

You want to try again, sparky?

What, exactly, are you upset with about the Violence Against Women Act?
 
2012-03-20 08:40:03 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Shakespeare's Monkey: Stay tuned folks, this fatass will open his pie hole and weigh in
on it. This will result in more comedy gold. He just can't help it.

"Friends, despite what the drive-by media smear machine will tell you the issue of violence against women, like a Democrat strong on defending America, simply does not exist. We all know that 100% of so-called 'violence against women' can be prevented by the simplest of acts -- the well-laundered shirt; the freshly-made pudding; the demure acquiescence to the declaration 'I'm going away this weekend to my...um...Men's Fellowship meeting in Santo Domingo."


Beautiful. I could hear his voice when I read that.
 
2012-03-20 08:40:55 AM

adamgreeney: Um, there are a lot of legal issues surrounding tribal autonomy, including how they can handle legal issues like domestic violence.


If that's all it is, then I withdrawal my outrage.... Forgive me for assuming that any politician will try to play politics with this for political gain though. I still expect the Republicans to figure out a way to attach that pipeline to the bill to force Democrats to vote against it though...

/I'm still outraged at Sgt Otter though...
// and now MaudlinMutantMollusk too....
 
2012-03-20 08:43:57 AM

what_now: weave: But sure, violence against women is OK. as long as it's another woman doing it

Well, this new law actually targets domestic violence in the gay community, so that's a swing and a miss.

You want to try again, sparky?


OK....

oldguy2wheels.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-03-20 08:46:24 AM
I'm outraged at all of you for unspecified reasons.
 
2012-03-20 08:48:54 AM

weave: If that's all it is, then I withdrawal my outrage.... Forgive me for assuming that any politician will try to play politics with this for political gain though. I still expect the Republicans to figure out a way to attach that pipeline to the bill to force Democrats to vote against it though...


Fair enough. Benefit if the doubt for you.

But here's the thing: the "Both Sides Are Bad" is a typical Fark Independent* talking point when the GOP does something absolutely abhorrent and indefensible.

Did the Democrats introduce the Violence Against Women Act because they knew that the rabid fringe of the GOP would be opposed to it? Probably. Good for them. The very very easy way for the GOP to avoid that trap, would be to actually oppose domestic violence, but they can't, because to them women are property and chattel.

*fark independent- someone who doesn't want to admit to voting for Bush twice.
 
2012-03-20 08:51:31 AM

Shostie: I'm outraged at all of you for unspecified reasons.


I'M OUTRAGED AT YOUR OUTRAGE! I"M SO OUTRAGED, IT MAKES ME WANT TO STRANGLE A MANATEE IN THE NUDE!
 
2012-03-20 08:51:47 AM

Shostie: I'm outraged at all of you for unspecified reasons.


No one cares, Farkaphobe.
 
2012-03-20 08:54:55 AM

dj_bigbird: Why do we need a Violence against Women act? Aren't there already a bunch of laws against hitting people, etc?


Hitting a stranger is punishable by law, yes. But intimate violence is rather different than random fisticuffs on a Saturday night.

It is the leading cause of death for pregnant women. Victims of domestic violence are often also victims of stalking and other behaviors that make it almost impossible to resume a normal life. There is a high frequency of sexual abuse concurrent with "hitting" and it leads to complications that last decades. Children are also more likely to be abused in a home where women are victims.

These laws address the additional needs of the victims of partner abuse for shelter, protection, and counseling. Assault laws do not cover any of that. They also provide extra training to law enforcement to be able to better react to domestic violence, partner violence, and stalking.

If you don't think that what is effectively a health crisis for one third of the women in this country deserves a response from government, you are at best uneducated, at worst a misogynist.

BTW, expanding these laws to offer more support to same sex partners, undocumented immigrants, and our First Nation sisters is long overdue.
 
2012-03-20 09:02:02 AM

ginandbacon: If you don't think that what is effectively a health crisis for one third of the women in this country deserves a response from government, you are at best uneducated, at worst a misogynist.


One third of the women in this country are abused? Really?
 
2012-03-20 09:03:30 AM

Babwa Wawa: ginandbacon: If you don't think that what is effectively a health crisis for one third of the women in this country deserves a response from government, you are at best uneducated, at worst a misogynist.

One third of the women in this country are abused? Really?


31%, so just shy of one third.
 
2012-03-20 09:05:20 AM

ginandbacon: 31%, so just shy of one third.


Do you have a citation?
 
2012-03-20 09:06:33 AM
 
2012-03-20 09:06:43 AM
The Republican Party has finally gone all out on their plan to court female voters. Their plan is very similar to how a guy I knew in college, [Redacted], used to pick up women. [Redacted]'s fool proof plan was first befriend the woman he was interested in. Then he would mention things to her like "You're not the greatest looking, but I think you're okay." Then after their self-esteem is at an all-time low, [Redacted] would build her up back up to where she say [Redacted] as her only option for dating.

The Republican Party is hoping to slut shame women into voting for them. They figure, like [Redacted] did, that all women need to feel loved is a strong male partner who knows what's best for them and judges them constantly. All the GOP asks is that you never ask questions.
 
2012-03-20 09:07:25 AM
Keep farking that chicken, GOP.
 
2012-03-20 09:07:28 AM
Of course, the citations are just the violence they KNOW about. Domestic violence and sexual assault are often not reported.
 
2012-03-20 09:10:25 AM
the reauthorization would "add expensive new programs, such as one that would serve to 're-educate' school children into domestic violence ideology."

Don't you DARE teach our children that it's wrong to beat your family members! That would be taking away our religious freedoms! Jeezus wants me to use Home Correction to keep the little woman and kids in line. It is my jerb as head of the family. I'm just keepin' 'em on the Path to Christ!

Lord, it's like the entire GOP is shilling for the Democrats lately.
 
2012-03-20 09:13:15 AM

Babwa Wawa: ginandbacon: 31%, so just shy of one third.

Do you have a citation?


I see from what_now the citation, and I agree with the number. I also believe that VAWA needs to exist.

However, I'd be careful calling it a health crisis and affecting 25-30% of the female population. When you're talking about the rate of disorder in health terms, it's generally the percentage of the population currently afflicted by the disorder (in this case, abuse). Your wording implies that 25-30% of women are in crisis due to abuse, which is easy for asshat spinmeisters to deconstruct. You don't need to provide those jackholes with a strawman.
 
2012-03-20 09:15:13 AM
Its a little misleading to say one third ARE sexually abused.

They may be 85 years old and were abused 60 years ago by their now deceased husband and would still be included in that statistic. That doesn't mean they are part of a public health crisis.
 
2012-03-20 09:18:23 AM
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell shot back Thursday, citing a Politico article to suggest Sen. Chuck Schumer "is sitting up at night trying to figure out a way to create an issue where there isn't one ... to help Democrats get reelected."

That's rich, you chinless hypocrite. Politics before policy you say?

McConnell: "Well that is true, [making Obama a one-term President is] my single most important political goal along with every active Republican in the country."
 
2012-03-20 09:19:56 AM

Babwa Wawa: Babwa Wawa: ginandbacon: 31%, so just shy of one third.

Do you have a citation?

I see from what_now the citation, and I agree with the number. I also believe that VAWA needs to exist.

However, I'd be careful calling it a health crisis and affecting 25-30% of the female population. When you're talking about the rate of disorder in health terms, it's generally the percentage of the population currently afflicted by the disorder (in this case, abuse). Your wording implies that 25-30% of women are in crisis due to abuse, which is easy for asshat spinmeisters to deconstruct. You don't need to provide those jackholes with a strawman.


It is the leading cause of death among pregnant women and the leading cause of injury among women of childbearing years. How is that not a crisis?
 
2012-03-20 09:20:52 AM

Diogenes: Majority Leader Mitch McConnell shot back Thursday, citing a Politico article to suggest Sen. Chuck Schumer "is sitting up at night trying to figure out a way to create an issue where there isn't one ... to help Democrats get reelected."


Again, all Turtlehead needs to do is get his party to say "Yes. Domestic violence is bad", but he's unable to do so.

It's not the Democrats fault that half of his party thought "The Handmaiden's Tale" was an instruction manual.
 
2012-03-20 09:21:55 AM
The GOP has really picked this woman thing to be their gravesite, haven't they? I seriously cannot grasp what they think they're going to accomplish here. It'll be nice when they move on from this issue so we can get back to debating whether or not the Earth is flat and rested on a giant turtle's back. Holy shiat...
 
2012-03-20 09:22:03 AM

ginandbacon: It is the leading cause of death among pregnant women and the leading cause of injury among women of childbearing years. How is that not a crisis?


That is a crisis. Saying that the crisis is affecting a third of the women in the country provides the morons with a strawman.
 
2012-03-20 09:23:55 AM

Babwa Wawa: ginandbacon: If you don't think that what is effectively a health crisis for one third of the women in this country deserves a response from government, you are at best uneducated, at worst a misogynist.

One third of the women in this country are abused? Really?


Spousal abuse is oddly enough on the rise, during tough economic times. And not just spouses, but it does seem open season on the girl critters all down the line. The inclusion of wider measures for same sex couples Native American populations, the characterization by Mitch McConnell that these go too far as a politicized issue seems a bit disingenuous.

There are now more legally married gay couples, and gay couples are mainstreamed even in the states where they can't legally marry, they are at least often recognized as being actual partners--this opens up some country for recognizing that there are indeed abusive relationships within those partnerships as well. Likewise, there are minority populations that are under even more stress thanks to these economic times, and the new provisions can help them.

The characterization that this is to pain Republicans in a poor light, is trying to call the kettle black. Republicans are trying to call out Democrats for putting in these provisions, and then call them partisan for including provisions that update VAWA so that it is current and relevant, so that they can decline support for it---while trying to avoid looking like petulant asshats.

Which is working not so great. In part, because it helps those who are being stalked and pursued come under protection locally--even if their state doesn't have uniform laws to protect them. The extension of new protections isn't so much a wide swath, but in keeping up with the times.

Boils down to it: Native American women suffer abuse at a far higher percentage nationally, which is why specific language was crafted to make sure that they are targeted for assistance. Likewise, gay and lesbians likewise suffer domestic violence and the changes include measures to assist gay and lesbian folks who are trapped in those cycles.

It isn't so much Machiavellian maneuvering, as much as altering a bill to be remain current and useful. That folks are drawing a line in the sand and saying "NO U!" says more about their own agenda, than these provisions.
 
2012-03-20 09:26:48 AM

gilgigamesh: Its a little misleading to say one third ARE sexually abused.


The definition of abuse changes over time, too. I mean, back in ancient Rome, adults having sex with children was socially acceptable. Today it's considered horrific abuse that, untreated, could lead to eating disorders like bulemia, sexual compulsivity, alcoholism, dangerous novelty seeking and violent outbursts. If we used modern ideas for ancient Rome you'd expect anyone who could afford it to be eating until they puked, having wild orgies, drinking wine at every meal and concocting grotesquely violent spectacles to amuse themselves.
 
2012-03-20 09:28:18 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Just how much money did Boehner and McConnell bet on Obama winning by more than 24 1/2 points?

We're clearly reaching the point where there has to be some Randolph and Mortimer thing going on here, because the willful decision to say "We're going to spot you young voters, African-Americans, Hispanics and now every woman in the country before the polls open" is not the decision of a party being led by even the obliquely sane.

This isn't some noble stand for honor, this is jamming the throttle to the "Fark You" setting, aiming for the orphans and war widows spring picnic and strapping yourself to the hood and screaming "VICTORYYYYYY!"


Smart and funny!
 
2012-03-20 09:32:07 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Just how much money did Boehner and McConnell bet on Obama winning by more than 24 1/2 points?

We're clearly reaching the point where there has to be some Randolph and Mortimer thing going on here, because the willful decision to say "We're going to spot you young voters, African-Americans, Hispanics and now every woman in the country before the polls open" is not the decision of a party being led by even the obliquely sane.

This isn't some noble stand for honor, this is jamming the throttle to the "Fark You" setting, aiming for the orphans and war widows spring picnic and strapping yourself to the hood and screaming "VICTORYYYYYY!"



I don't think you fully comprehend the degree to which the idiots on the right will vote against their own interests.
 
2012-03-20 09:33:31 AM

weave: Vodka Zombie: I think he means that it protects gays and minorities.

The story is weak on details, but WTH is Native American jurisdictional issues?

But sure, violence against women is OK. as long as it's another woman doing it


Not very informed about some of your fellow citizens it appears.

Would you like chapter and verse?
 
2012-03-20 09:34:10 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: The GOP has really picked this woman thing to be their gravesite, haven't they? I seriously cannot grasp what they think they're going to accomplish here. It'll be nice when they move on from this issue so we can get back to debating whether or not the Earth is flat and rested on a giant turtle's back. Holy shiat...


Talk of the Nation was on this topic yesterday, and while they played the "this isn't about Republicans or Democrats" it was obvious by the callers that it is.

The most interesting one was from a black woman, 40 years old and a doctor. She talked about how she never thought she would have to fight these types of battles because her mom and grandma had fought them for her. They paved the way for her to be a doctor and successful. Now she has no idea how to fight these battles since they barely existed for her growing up.

Let that sink in a moment. then despair.
 
2012-03-20 09:35:15 AM
One out of two people involved in violence against women like it.
 
2012-03-20 09:36:48 AM

dj_bigbird: Why do we need a Violence against Women act? Aren't there already a bunch of laws against hitting people, etc? Isn't there enough violence against women?


FTFY to at least make it amusing.
 
2012-03-20 09:40:20 AM

gilgigamesh: Its a little misleading to say one third ARE sexually abused.

They may be 85 years old and were abused 60 years ago by their now deceased husband and would still be included in that statistic. That doesn't mean they are part of a public health crisis.


I see. Past abuse shouldn't be considered when drafting current legislation. So how far back do we collect and weigh public health data? 20 years? Ten? Yesterday? If one third of women report physical abuse (not sexual, BTW, that is your somewhat interesting fabrication) than it's fairly obvious that one third of women between the ages of puberty and menopause face experience intimate violence. Do we just ignore that?

We stopped everything to deal with the crisis of professional baseball players who were taking steroids. But I guess that's more important, isn't it?
 
2012-03-20 09:41:55 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Shakespeare's Monkey: Stay tuned folks, this fatass will open his pie hole and weigh in
on it. This will result in more comedy gold. He just can't help it.

"Friends, despite what the drive-by media smear machine will tell you the issue of violence against women, like a Democrat strong on defending America, simply does not exist. We all know that 100% of so-called 'violence against women' can be prevented by the simplest of acts -- the well-laundered shirt; the freshly-made pudding; the demure acquiescence to the declaration 'I'm going away this weekend to my...um...Men's Fellowship meeting in Santo Domingo."


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