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2012-03-20 08:16:12 AM
Can Fark go back to a time where it was more like a place with weird news stories instead of being a pusher of social media?
 
2012-03-20 08:49:47 AM

cman: Can Fark go back to a time where it was more like a place with weird news stories instead of being a pusher of social media?


Avoid looking at articles with [Politics] tab indicators.
 
2012-03-20 08:57:55 AM
No word on who the dead will vote for

Zombie Lincoln, duh
 
2012-03-20 09:06:14 AM
Oh my God. The dead have risen and they're voting Republican!
 
2012-03-20 09:09:25 AM

mauricecano: cman: Can Fark go back to a time where it was more like a place with weird news stories instead of being a pusher of social media?

Avoid looking at articles with [Politics] tab indicators.


Or post early then get the f*ck out.

25.media.tumblr.com

I love you, my little Mittens, but I wouldn't vote for you even on good acid.
 
2012-03-20 09:12:21 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Oh my God. The dead have risen and they're voting Republican!


Snowball too?
 
2012-03-20 09:30:00 AM
I hate Illinois Nazis.
 
2012-03-20 09:31:45 AM
i522.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-20 09:38:05 AM

cman: Can Fark go back to a time where it was more like a place with weird news stories instead of being a pusher of social media?


You don't consider the possibility of the president being a theocrat, a do as I say not as I do upstanding family man, or an old codger wearing a tin foil hat and screaming at people to get off his lawn to be weird?
 
2012-03-20 10:12:26 AM
The dead will vote for Newt due to fears that Romney can and will beat Obama.
 
2012-03-20 10:33:14 AM
I think that the dead will vote for Romney in solidarity. Granted, he is a bit of a flip flopper even for a dead guy.
 
2012-03-20 10:48:28 AM

jehovahs witness protection: The dead will vote for Newt due to fears that Romney can and will beat Obama.


tee hee
 
2012-03-20 11:25:03 AM

Karac: cman: Can Fark go back to a time where it was more like a place with weird news stories instead of being a pusher of social media?

You don't consider the possibility of the president being a theocrat, a do as I say not as I do upstanding family man, or an old codger wearing a tin foil hat and screaming at people to get off his lawn to be weird?


Not in today's GOP.

/what have you assholes done to my party!?!?
 
2012-03-20 11:29:39 AM
The dead will totally vote Santorum. Corpses are notoriously prudish on matters of sex. Ever seen a dead woman at the doctor for birth control? I didn't think so.
 
2012-03-20 11:29:47 AM
So how many people registered with the address of 1060 W. Addison?
 
2012-03-20 11:33:19 AM

Shakespeare's Monkey: mauricecano: cman: Can Fark go back to a time where it was more like a place with weird news stories instead of being a pusher of social media?

Avoid looking at articles with [Politics] tab indicators.

Or post early then get the f*ck out.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x312]

I love you, my little Mittens, but I wouldn't vote for you even on good acid.


I would caption that picture as 'Dog shiat on my wife's Cadillac? Buy her a new Cadillac!'
 
2012-03-20 11:40:52 AM
Should I vote Democrat or Republican today? I'm probably going to get the Democratic ballot, but the temptation to screw with the Republican machinery is strong.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:45 AM

Humean_Nature: The dead will totally vote Santorum. Corpses are notoriously prudish on matters of sex.


Have to disagree with you there.

1.bp.blogspot.com

/just trying to inject something into a yet another Santorum thread
 
2012-03-20 11:49:30 AM

Mugato: Have to disagree with you there.


I stand corrected.

And aroused.
 
2012-03-20 11:49:41 AM

cman: Can Fark go back to a time where it was more like a place with weird news stories instead of being a pusher of social media?


Ummmm...Fark IS social media.
 
2012-03-20 11:53:44 AM
The zombies will vote for Obama, because even without brains, they're not Santorum stupid.
 
2012-03-20 12:02:03 PM

Langston: No word on who the dead will vote for

Zombie Lincoln, duh


No, Zombie Reagan obviously.
 
2012-03-20 12:26:52 PM
so even if santorum wins the popular vote in every district, he loses the delegate race because he doesnt have delegates on a bunch of ballots in some districts? this is the retarded electoral process all over again.

thank you both parties for not letting our votes count. again.

sigh
 
2012-03-20 12:48:44 PM

namatad: so even if santorum wins the popular vote in every district, he loses the delegate race because he doesnt have delegates on a bunch of ballots in some districts? this is the retarded electoral process all over again.

thank you both parties for not letting our votes count. again.

sigh


What does that say about a candidate that can't even manage to do the proper paperwork and get the necessary amount of signatures?
 
2012-03-20 01:01:16 PM
What other guy?

Oh.. OH! THAT other guy.. Totally forgot about him. And I voted for him, too, sort of a "None of the Above" protest vote.

I may be from Georgia, but I just can't bring myself to vote for Newt.
 
2012-03-20 01:11:43 PM
Is it too late for Zombie Eisenhower to run?
 
2012-03-20 02:01:25 PM

Lando Lincoln: Should I vote Democrat or Republican today? I'm probably going to get the Democratic ballot, but the temptation to screw with the Republican machinery is strong.


I got a republican ballot in Michigan and voted Santorum. I felt dirty afterwards and would not do it again. Santorum is hard to wash off, or so I hear.
 
2012-03-20 02:45:32 PM

Humean_Nature: The dead will totally vote Santorum. Corpses are notoriously prudish on matters of sex. Ever seen a dead woman at the doctor for birth control? I didn't think so.


So you're saying that Santorum is an object of the Zombie's necrofancy?

/Y'see, as in they fancy him, it's...aw, screw it.
 
2012-03-20 02:50:26 PM
Please note the following about Illinois's primary tonight: the vote does. not. matter.

I mean that 100%. Even more so than the caucus states, where there's no direct relationship between how many votes were cast at the Iowa caucuses for a candidate and how many delegates from the state he will wind up with. Tonight in Illinois, the primary vote is officially meaningless, referred to as a beauty contest.
The only results that matter tonight are subsidiary voting within each congressional district. Each DISTRICT will elect between 2 and 4 national delegates, who will be listed according to who they support. For instance, in CD 1, these twelve people are on the Republican ballot for delegate:

ARSENEAU, JEFF (ROMNEY)
MURPHY, SHAUN (ROMNEY)
REA, PATRICK E. (ROMNEY)
KOHN, JEROME (PAUL)
STETCH, GREG (PAUL)
MURPHY, MATTHEW (PAUL)
BEAUMONT, LARRY (GINGRICH)
AUGUSTYNIAK, CHUCK (GINGRICH)
NAUGHTON, MICHAEL R. (GINGRICH)
WALLACE, ERIC M. (SANTORUM)
WALLACE, JENNIFER L. (SANTORUM)
DANAHER, GINA M. (SANTORUM)

Each voter can vote for three delegates, and the three with the most votes become national delegates. This is how it worked in the US Virgin Islands with the addition of a meaningless "top-line" vote for president itself.

A voter who cast a single ballot for "Romney" today was no help to that candidate. A voter who did not vote for "Romney" but did vote for "Arseneau", "Murphy", and "Rea" did help his chosen candidate.

Also, Illinois does not post live results on their website tonight, so you are unlikely to get any useful information on how many delegates each candidate receives. Instead, drink and watch New Girl. That's what I'll be doing.
 
2012-03-20 02:54:27 PM
Worth noting:

Wyoming Republican On 19 March 2012, the Park County Republican Party Executive Committee unanimously determined that Romney, NOT Santorum, won the 10 March Park county caucus-- Romney + 1, Santorum -1. The state's hard count is now Romney 8, Santorum 2, Paul 1.

File another state in the "system rigged for Mitt" folder.
 
2012-03-20 02:58:06 PM

Lando Lincoln: namatad: so even if santorum wins the popular vote in every district, he loses the delegate race because he doesnt have delegates on a bunch of ballots in some districts? this is the retarded electoral process all over again.

thank you both parties for not letting our votes count. again.

sigh

What does that say about a candidate that can't even manage to do the proper paperwork and get the necessary amount of signatures?


same thing it said about the candidates that didnt get on the virgina ballot.
they didnt expect to still be in the race.

LOL

on the other hand, why is ballot access so farked up?
why is the nomination process so convoluted?
why is every state different???

we know for a fact that this is NOT the best way for a party to pick a candidate (and running mate)
 
2012-03-20 03:00:20 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: Lando Lincoln: Should I vote Democrat or Republican today? I'm probably going to get the Democratic ballot, but the temptation to screw with the Republican machinery is strong.

I got a republican ballot in Michigan and voted Santorum. I felt dirty afterwards and would not do it again. Santorum is hard to wash off, or so I hear.


WAY too lazy to cross the street and vote, esp since santorum might not have any delegates in my district.
farktard
 
2012-03-20 03:19:17 PM

namatad: Lando Lincoln: namatad: so even if santorum wins the popular vote in every district, he loses the delegate race because he doesnt have delegates on a bunch of ballots in some districts? this is the retarded electoral process all over again.

thank you both parties for not letting our votes count. again.

sigh

What does that say about a candidate that can't even manage to do the proper paperwork and get the necessary amount of signatures?

same thing it said about the candidates that didnt get on the virgina ballot.
they didnt expect to still be in the race.

LOL

on the other hand, why is ballot access so farked up?
why is the nomination process so convoluted?
why is every state different???

we know for a fact that this is NOT the best way for a party to pick a candidate (and running mate)


Well, to be fair, to an extent however these parties want to nominate their candidates is their own business.... it can be as unfair, convoluted and corrupt as they want, since it is just deciding who gets on the main November ballot, which then has a (supposedly) much strict and (mostly consistant) rules on who gets on the ballot and how it is run.

I mean, all the minor parties basically pick by getting together in a room and deciding who they are putting up, I'm not aware of any state by state "Libertarian Party" primary system , or for the "Constitution Party", etc ..... and the democrats and republicans I would think could just do the same if they really wanted to.... but, they elect to go this route and have a bunch of random contests based on tradition and negotiating to decide when people get to vote by state.
 
2012-03-20 03:22:42 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-03-20 03:28:06 PM

namatad: on the other hand, why is ballot access so farked up?..why is the nomination process so convoluted?...why is every state different???


Because the Constitution largely leaves it up to the states to determine how they want to conduct their own elections. "States Rights" and all that. And the individual state kingdoms largely like it that way.
 
2012-03-20 03:30:34 PM

RminusQ:
File another state in the "system rigged for Mitt" folder.


Because we all know how the GOP just loves Mitt.
 
2012-03-20 04:25:21 PM

Sybarite: [i522.photobucket.com image 550x366]


Living on a farm is just communism. Living in a private prison is Republican-approved.
 
2012-03-20 04:26:17 PM
I'll repeat myself: Frothy should do well in Little Egypt and play well in Peoria but get creamed in the Chicago suburbs.

It wasn't any funnier the first time.

Creamed.

Santorum.
 
2012-03-20 04:27:03 PM
i151.photobucket.com

Love the combination of zombie and Blues Brothers references in the thread.
 
2012-03-20 04:27:04 PM

dletter: Well, to be fair, to an extent however these parties want to nominate their candidates is their own business.... it can be as unfair, convoluted and corrupt as they want, since it is just deciding who gets on the main November ballot, which then has a (supposedly) much strict and (mostly consistant) rules on who gets on the ballot and how it is run.

I mean, all the minor parties basically pick by getting together in a room and deciding who they are putting up, I'm not aware of any state by state "Libertarian Party" primary system , or for the "Constitution Party", etc ..... and the democrats and republicans I would think could just do the same if they really wanted to.... but, they elect to go this route and have a bunch of random contests based on tradition and negotiating to decide when people get to vote by state.


yup the dems and the gops used to smoke room decide who was running.
the whole primary system is relatively recent. and the parties did everything that they could to make it APPEAR that you are helping select the candidate, while in fact, not so much.
 
2012-03-20 04:28:59 PM

WhyteRaven74: So how many people registered with the address of 1060 W. Addison?


Ronnie "Woo Woo" Wickers, for one. (But in actuality, that's only where he urinates.)
 
2012-03-20 04:29:11 PM
illy-noy politics just ain't what they used to be...ain't what they used to be.

timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-03-20 04:31:18 PM

Somacandra: namatad: on the other hand, why is ballot access so farked up?..why is the nomination process so convoluted?...why is every state different???

Because the Constitution largely leaves it up to the states to determine how they want to conduct their own elections. "States Rights" and all that. And the individual state kingdoms largely like it that way.


yes no sort of
techincally, in illinois, it is not really an election.
you are not voting for the candidate. yes we keep count of tards who checked the candidate box, but it isnt actually used for anything.
if you dont use the results to decide, then I guess it is more a poll, than an election.

the part that does count is the voting for delegates ....
blargh

pretty sure that the constitution doesnt have any control over parties ... the parties can literally do anything that they want.
not even sure if state law can tell the parties what they do ...
the whole system is insane and broken and the parties WANT it that way. which is why we keep getting shafted.

on the other hand, pretty sure that the constitution and federal law reign over how we elect congressmen in the general elections.
sigh
 
2012-03-20 04:31:59 PM
from the headline: Will Santorum be awash in defeat?

No, but defeat may be awash in Santorum.

//I just made myself throw up a little
 
2012-03-20 04:32:17 PM
I'm surprised the American Socialist White People's Party hasn't done more to attack Santorum.
 
2012-03-20 04:34:23 PM
Romney wins by 9.5%. Enough to win, but not enough to seal things up and triggers yet another round of "Can he hit the magic number?" speculation
 
2012-03-20 04:34:51 PM

RminusQ: Each voter can vote for three delegates, and the three with the most votes become national delegates.


Well that just makes no goddamn sense.
 
2012-03-20 04:35:51 PM
primary history (new window)

this is interesting stuff. I still wonder about the constitutionality of states passing laws telling parties what to do.
it was mentioned that smaller parties still pick their candidate the old fashion way and that that is still legal.

it would be nice to come up with a better system to pick candidates than the current method. at least back when the bosses were in power, there was no chance that a tard like santorum or cane would have even been on the stage ....

farking bread and circuses
 
2012-03-20 04:35:52 PM
I never thought I'd say this but.

Please pull out a win Romney. Please.

This primary isn't just damaging the Republican Party anymore, it's damaging the country.
 
2012-03-20 04:36:58 PM

Truman Burbank: I'm surprised the American Socialist White People's Party hasn't done more to attack Santorum.


Never interrupt your opponent when he's making an error.
 
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