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(Yahoo)   "I see you had an internship, that's good. And you mentored at a Boys & Girls club, nice. Some good work experience. If you could just give me your Facebook password we'll give you a call"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 210
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2012-03-20 08:13:14 AM
What if I don't have a facebook page?
 
2012-03-20 08:18:45 AM
I saw a news story where they said Spring Break was going to be more tame because kids were now aware that all the crazy sh*t they did would end up on the interwebs, and negatively impact their future careers.

Have they ever even met an 18-22 year old?
 
2012-03-20 08:19:18 AM

basemetal: What if I don't have a facebook page?


Everybody has one. Therefore you are lying. We don't hire liars.
 
2012-03-20 08:21:54 AM
How the fark is this even legal to begin with?
 
2012-03-20 08:23:33 AM

cman: How the fark is this even legal to begin with?


The better question is, how is this discrimination?
 
2012-03-20 08:25:03 AM
Sears is one of the companies using apps. An applicant has the option of logging into the Sears job site through Facebook by allowing a third-party application to draw information from the profile, such as friend lists.

That's how you do it. People will freely give apps all permissions to their profiles and not think a thing about it. Want to look at that funny picture? Read a news story link? See who are your top friends? Find out who is your secret admirer? Just give some app permission to your profile. No worries...
 
2012-03-20 08:25:25 AM

nopokerface: cman: How the fark is this even legal to begin with?

The better question is, how is this discrimination?


Who said anything about discrimination?
 
2012-03-20 08:26:49 AM

cman: How the fark is this even legal to begin with?


I'm betting some Farker with a job in HR will give some excuse that'll justify this and will justify why he never hires anyone born after 1983.

nopokerface: I saw a news story where they said Spring Break was going to be more tame because kids were now aware that all the crazy sh*t they did would end up on the interwebs, and negatively impact their future careers.

Have they ever even met an 18-22 year old?


The interviewers will joke and tell them about the crazy shiat THEY did at the age (which is far worse than the kids they're interviewing) and then deny them the job.
 
2012-03-20 08:28:49 AM

cman: nopokerface: cman: How the fark is this even legal to begin with?

The better question is, how is this discrimination?

Who said anything about discrimination?


If it's not somehow discrimination in the hiring process, 99 times out of 100 it's legal. I'm not saying it isn't somehow discriminatory. But, if it isn't....password please.
 
2012-03-20 08:37:41 AM
I love it when employers take advantage of desperate job seekers. Most people I imagine would not be too keen on giving out their Facebook account info to a potential employer, especially if they're the type of person to speak candidly on their FB account.
 
2012-03-20 08:40:41 AM
How easy is it to have two Facebook pages, two Twitter accounts and two email accounts? One for all your friends and their gang/drug/donkey raping activities and one for your parents, elderly family and work?

I don't have facebook but I have email with my own domain, a Googlemail account and a Yahoo account. If asked I could hand over my Yahoo account and just not mention my own domain.

Once everyone wises up to this and sets up a safe dummy account that talks about little but bible study, night school and helping out at a non-profit then this will be nothing but a charade and the only people caught out are people too stupid to realise they need to set up a dummy account.
 
2012-03-20 08:42:44 AM

Flint Ironstag: How easy is it to have two Facebook pages, two Twitter accounts and two email accounts? One for all your friends and their gang/drug/donkey raping activities and one for your parents, elderly family and work?

I don't have facebook but I have email with my own domain, a Googlemail account and a Yahoo account. If asked I could hand over my Yahoo account and just not mention my own domain.

Once everyone wises up to this and sets up a safe dummy account that talks about little but bible study, night school and helping out at a non-profit then this will be nothing but a charade and the only people caught out are people too stupid to realise they need to set up a dummy account.


I think the point here is that we shouldn't HAVE to hand over our login and password to our potential employers.
 
2012-03-20 08:45:09 AM
What's a "Faceook"?

Only an idiot would post personal information online.
 
2012-03-20 08:47:42 AM
Also, we'd like you to bring in any photo albums you own and any diaries you may have written in.
 
2012-03-20 08:49:36 AM

basemetal: What if I don't have a facebook page?


Easy enough. Go out and get one and just leave it blank.
 
2012-03-20 08:57:04 AM

Cythraul: I love it when employers take advantage of desperate job seekers. Most people I imagine would not be too keen on giving out their Facebook account info to a potential employer, especially if they're the type of person to speak candidly on their FB account.


it's going to stifle political speech for sure. Unless you suck corporate cock as a hobby.
 
2012-03-20 09:02:15 AM

Shakespeare's Monkey: basemetal: What if I don't have a facebook page?

Easy enough. Go out and get one and just leave it blank.


Yeah, that's what I would do. Good thing I work for myself.
 
2012-03-20 09:20:18 AM
I would be willing to friend them but I wouldn't give them my password. In fact, I think someone should start a Facebook page to identify the companies that do this so MASSIVE consumer boycotts could be started.
 
2012-03-20 09:24:27 AM
What? They don't want everyone's Google+ password....

I'm sorry, I can't finish that without laughing.
 
2012-03-20 09:24:53 AM
"I have no Facebook account."

"Why not?"

So what's a good answer to give in an interview?
 
2012-03-20 09:26:11 AM

namegoeshere: So what's a good answer to give in an interview?


FB is for morons?
 
2012-03-20 09:31:52 AM

namegoeshere: So what's a good answer to give in an interview?


I'm still using Friendster.
 
2012-03-20 09:32:22 AM

nopokerface: namegoeshere: So what's a good answer to give in an interview?

FB is for morons?


The real answer is somewhere between I value my privacy and I am so farking sick of this global TMI shiat we have going on these days and I don't give a flying rat's ass if Little Jimmy got a karate trophy or Little Suzie got an A on her science test, because they're not my damn kids! It would alienate me from my friends because I would insult them by never responding to their posts about what they had for dinner last night because I DON'T CARE! And a whole big heap of shiat like THIS in TFA.

But that answer might make make me look a little... unfriendly... so I'm still looking for an appropriate explanation.
 
2012-03-20 09:37:49 AM
I have a Facebook account but I used it once and forgot about it. I have no idea what my password is so I guess it's a good thing that I'm not looking for a job.
 
2012-03-20 09:43:33 AM

namegoeshere: "I have no Facebook account."

"Why not?"

So what's a good answer to give in an interview?


"I plan to murder Mark Zuckerberg and I don't want him to see me coming."
 
2012-03-20 09:57:13 AM
Chief Deputy Rusty Thomas defended the practice, saying applicants have a right to refuse. But no one has ever done so. Thomas said that "speaks well of the people we have apply."

I'm sure that you think so you pious authoritarian jerk. You're looking for the type of person who'll blindly follow orders & not give a damn about privacy rights/concerns. The type where declining a request to search your vehicle will be viewed as probable cause of a law being broken (even though the SC said that it isn't, but hey it isn't your money that will be paid out in the inevitable lawsuit...). The type who thinks that standing up for yourself is seen as something suspicious & worthy of a beat down. Sadly this is more & more the norm these days.

The company assumes "that people keep their social profiles updated to the minute, which allows us to consider them for other jobs in the future or for ones that they may not realize are available currently," she said.

"We want your FB password so that we can best fit you into a job in the future...." Bwahaaa. She's probably an insanely good poker player to be able to say that with a straight face....

There are probably some jobs where this is a good requirement/request (such as where someone is a highly paid, publicly visible representative of the company essentially 24/7), however for the 99+% of them that it isn't, the correct response is to stand up, thank them for their time & state that you have no intention of spending your days in such a paranoid atmosphere.
 
2012-03-20 09:59:21 AM

nopokerface: If it's not somehow discrimination in the hiring process, 99 times out of 100 it's legal.


Mileage varies on this. Some states are considering legislation to specifically ban the practice while some (a group of corrections employees I think) have managed to quash the department policy. Considering how rare this happens anyway, I doubt it will become common practice. I'm sure it'd be a cold day in hell before I'd allow that kind of prying in order to get a job. But if that day comes, I won't have a facebook account.
 
2012-03-20 10:08:19 AM

namegoeshere: "I have no Facebook account."

"Why not?"

So what's a good answer to give in an interview?


I don't have a Facebook account. If posed with that question I would probably answer, "My former organization was image-conscious and wanted to be sure that should any of our clients do a web search for employees that they would only find, at most, our work related contact information and a LinkedIn page. They wanted to avoid situations where employees might post something online that our clients would find objectionable, awkward friend request denials, etc."
 
2012-03-20 10:13:04 AM
What constitutes bad photos in these cases? Obviously things like tits, illicit materials, bongs and whatnot. Where is the line drawn? Is drinking not ok? Is hanging out in bars a bad employment technique?
 
2012-03-20 10:22:31 AM
What will they see on my facebook?
A bunch of dribble about the 30th high school reunion and pics of food I cook.
 
2012-03-20 10:43:11 AM

wyltoknow: What constitutes bad photos in these cases? Obviously things like tits, illicit materials, bongs and whatnot. Where is the line drawn? Is drinking not ok? Is hanging out in bars a bad employment technique?


I read an article (posted from Fark, no less) where a teacher was disciplined for having a picture of her enjoying a glass of wine on Facebook.
 
2012-03-20 10:52:03 AM

Cythraul: wyltoknow: What constitutes bad photos in these cases? Obviously things like tits, illicit materials, bongs and whatnot. Where is the line drawn? Is drinking not ok? Is hanging out in bars a bad employment technique?

I read an article (posted from Fark, no less) where a teacher was disciplined for having a picture of her enjoying a glass of wine on Facebook.


She should have figured out about the well known teachers cup.

/basically, it's a styrofoam cup with a lid that many local restaurants will serve your drink in if you ask them. teachers in our area use them all the time when out.
//kind of like grandma's water bottle..........
 
2012-03-20 10:53:27 AM

namegoeshere: "I have no Facebook account."

"Why not?"

So what's a good answer to give in an interview?


I don't have a Facebook account under my real name. If I'm ever asked, I'll just tell them I took a look at it, saw a bunch of games like Farmville & Mafia Wars, and decided it wasn't worth my time. Then I'll point them to my LinkedIn profile.

/Recruiter
//I don't ask for FB passwords and feel its wrong to do so. But I'll Google the hell out of you, so there be careful about your privacy settings & pictures you post.
 
2012-03-20 11:05:05 AM

Aar1012: cman: How the fark is this even legal to begin with?

I'm betting some Farker with a job in HR will give some excuse that'll justify this and will justify why he never hires anyone born after 1983.


I'm not in HR but I'm a recruiter. I don't think this is illegal since there's no LAW saying you can't disqualify someone from the hiring process because they won't give up a password. However, I still think it's unethical.

I will absolutely Google the hell out of candidates and if I find something controversial, like some crazy extremist views, countless pictures of their half-naked keg stands, or other objectionable pictures, I won't submit them to my clients. If they set their profile to private, then I have no business bullying them to see their info. In fact, kudos to them for having some brains to keep their personal life private. If their privacy setting is off, though, then they're fair game.

I've only ditched 2 candidates in the last 3 years because of Facebook. One was a crazy Bible-thumper who biatched on her Wall that she was "harassed" at her last job for simply talking about going to church or lamented the godlessness of her neighbors & coworkers. Yeah, I just bet you were "simply talking about church". Another had picture after picture of him speeding on his crotch-rocket (including shots of the speedometer), doing donuts in parking lots, and wheelies on the highway. Now, I don't care if you do that in your spare time but if you're stupid enough to post it AND not have privacy filters on, I don't want you working for me.
 
2012-03-20 11:19:39 AM
I overheard a couple of college girls having a conversation about how they vet people they meet and it chilled me to the bone. Basically, they both agreed that when they meet someone they are interested in knowing better the first thing they do is check their facebook page and if they feel like the person doesn't have enough personal information, pictures and current updates, they feel the person is probably "hiding something", like they are probably a "child molester or something" (these are direct quotes), and they will break off contact.

Needless to say I found this chilling as I don't have a facebook page at all. That was the day I realized the world has pretty much passed me by.

Meh.
 
2012-03-20 11:21:21 AM

brigid_fitch: namegoeshere: "I have no Facebook account."

"Why not?"

So what's a good answer to give in an interview?

I don't have a Facebook account under my real name. If I'm ever asked, I'll just tell them I took a look at it, saw a bunch of games like Farmville & Mafia Wars, and decided it wasn't worth my time. Then I'll point them to my LinkedIn profile.

/Recruiter
//I don't ask for FB passwords and feel its wrong to do so. But I'll Google the hell out of you, so there be careful about your privacy settings & pictures you post.


Hmmm... Off to Google myself...
 
2012-03-20 11:30:56 AM

namegoeshere:
Hmmm... Off to Google myself...


I have a problem in that both my first name and my last name are very rare, and the combination is as far as I can tell unique. No one else in the world has my name. So anyone Googling me will not have hundreds of "John Smiths" or "David Jones" to wade through.

Luckily I have kept a very low profile, so the only two hits now are a NYT article that mentions me and a patent filing. No wild parties, drug use or amputee donkey necrophilia. But if something bad was posted, they'd find it in seconds. I try to keep a very low profile, asking friends not to name me in photos they post etc. And I've almost totally given up the amputee donkey necrophilia altogether.
 
2012-03-20 11:36:37 AM

brigid_fitch: Google


I'm so naming my first born "-".
 
2012-03-20 11:40:42 AM

Shostie: I think the point here is that we shouldn't HAVE to hand over our login and password to our potential employers.


You don't have to. Problem solved.
 
2012-03-20 11:41:57 AM

basemetal: What if I don't have a facebook page?


I don't have one.
 
2012-03-20 11:42:12 AM
And that's when I end the interview.

"Have a nice day sir, madam, but I do not divulge such information, and I am fairly certain it would violate employment discrimination laws if you used such information in your hiring practices"

Seriously employers, you are opening yourself up for a lawsuit here.
 
2012-03-20 11:46:13 AM
The tin hat wearer in me wonders if such questions are a ploy to see how potential hires respond to unreasonable management requests.
 
2012-03-20 11:46:45 AM

namegoeshere: "I have no Facebook account."

"Why not?"

So what's a good answer to give in an interview?


Whenever anyone asks me why I don't have a facebook account I tell them: "Because I'm an adult."
 
2012-03-20 11:46:51 AM
"Sorry, that violates the TOS of that site, which I agreed to adhere to when I created my account."
 
2012-03-20 11:50:22 AM
So what's a good answer to give in an interview?

If you want to see a picture of my dick, why settle for just a picture?
 
2012-03-20 11:51:41 AM

NkThrasher: The tin hat wearer in me wonders if such questions are a ploy to see how potential hires respond to unreasonable management requests.


I was thinking that as well. I would never give out information like that.
 
2012-03-20 11:51:45 AM

namegoeshere: "I have no Facebook account."

"Why not?"

So what's a good answer to give in an interview?


"Because it's just easier to find my profile on the sex offender registry site."
 
2012-03-20 11:51:57 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: basemetal: What if I don't have a facebook page?

I don't have one.


You said on your cover sheet that you are "personable" yet you don't have a facebook? Yeah, we'll be in touch.

/possible catch 22?
 
2012-03-20 11:52:58 AM
I would never ask an applicant for their password to anything. Never. But if for some reason I was in that position, I would hire the person that said, "No". Particularly if that young person refused politely or with some amount of grace. Self-respect without arrogance or belligerence tells me a lot about a person's character.
 
2012-03-20 11:54:52 AM

namegoeshere: Hmmm... Off to Google myself...


If you Google yourself with your other hand, it feels like someone else is doing it.

/Not mine.
 
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