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2012-03-20 11:19:05 AM  

babysealclubber: I find it disturbing that people excuse physical and verbal abuse because he followed the rules that are arbitrarily enforced by the NCAA


I find it disturbing that people can't identify sarcasm.
 
2012-03-20 11:19:32 AM  

Broktun: I would much rather have my kid play basketball for Bob Knight than John Calipari.


I doubt there's any danger of either.
 
2012-03-20 11:21:33 AM  

urbangirl: I moved here for a job a couple of years ago. Trust me, you have no idea what it's like. The farking UNIVERSE revolves around UK basketball. It's downright embarassing to someone who's actually lived in the real world,


A big part of that is because the money in this town revolves around UK basketball, and in part college athletics in general. Lexington is a college town, just like any other college town, much of the city moral comes from the college.

If it weren't for UK there wouldn't be much of anything else here.
 
2012-03-20 11:22:25 AM  

ExcaliburPrime111: Nickster79: ExcaliburPrime111: babysealclubber: nopokerface: Nickster79: Since when are you and I the same person? You better not be charging my paypal for another total fark membership!

It's totally obvious you are my alt.

/re-ups for 6 more months....

You guys are the same person? You learn something everyday.....

Provide me just one shred of evidence that you two are not the same person. I am waiting.

If you've ever seen Time Cop, then you'd know that different persons who are actually the same can't be in the same thread, or their molecules will implode.

And I didn't even necessarily ask for evidence by the end--just one example. He couldn't even provide that.

All trolling aside, I think you hit upon something fairly new. With the power of the Internet, and Twitter in particular, we now have the ability to interact with writers and instantly challenge their assertions.

If I were in that guy's shoes, I don't know if I would have taken the time to respond to a mere plebeian, who had the temerity to challenge my article, particularly when it is "common knowledge" that there is a veritable cloud of suspicion, that any day might rain verifiable accusations. My job is to write pieces, not do the NCAA's job, particularly when there are no black-and-white examples (for if such existed, the NCAA would have sanctioned.)

I can also understand being in your shoes. You read an article that seeks to destroy a coach's credibility, and you politely ask the author for some proof. He does not provide a satisfactory explanation, so you continue to ask, and throw around words like "stonewall" and post a link to Fark, hoping your brethren will take umbrage and call out the author.

In any case, I think the conclusion is this: There is at least a cloud of suspicion surrounding Calapiri's coaching tactics; some think that he is just playing the game like everyone else, others think there are actual questions. Honestly, I don't know, and I think that real journalism sh ...


...that was surprisingly reasonable. Thank you.

/surprise at thread flame war adversary resolving with reasoned argument
//head explodes
 
2012-03-20 11:24:17 AM  

king_nacho: If it weren't for UK there wouldn't be much of anything else here.


HENRY EARL.
 
2012-03-20 11:26:13 AM  

king_nacho: urbangirl: I moved here for a job a couple of years ago. Trust me, you have no idea what it's like. The farking UNIVERSE revolves around UK basketball. It's downright embarassing to someone who's actually lived in the real world,

A big part of that is because the money in this town revolves around UK basketball, and in part college athletics in general. Lexington is a college town, just like any other college town, much of the city moral comes from the college.

If it weren't for UK there wouldn't be much of anything else here.


Amen to that.
 
2012-03-20 11:26:19 AM  
What is the big deal with this? Here in Washington we never mention the Redskins owner's name. We just refer to him as that complete idiot who owns the team.
 
2012-03-20 11:26:27 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: king_nacho: If it weren't for UK there wouldn't be much of anything else here.

HENRY EARL.


Who used to spend most of his time on the UK Campus. Back then he went by Bruce Lee, carried around a picture of Bruce Lee, and would do a karate move for you if you asked, and gave him some money.
 
2012-03-20 11:28:14 AM  

king_nacho: But that being said, I don't think you have to pay players to come to a school like UK.


Alabama tried that excuse in football. Didn't work then, either.
 
2012-03-20 11:28:24 AM  

nopokerface: I am surprised no one ever knocked him the f*ck out.


Same reason you don't knock your Drill Instructor out.

-Fear
-Positional authority
-Only drunks and losers punch when someone else is just yelling at you
-The reason they're yelling at you is because you f*cked up, so just stop f*cking up

Boo f*cking hoo about being yelled at. Let me know when you run up and down three flights of stairs with a 100-lb foot locker nearly as big as you at port arms over and over because people can't march properly with a rifle, with someone yelling at you the whole time about how much you've f*cked up. You get over it pretty much as much as it stops.
 
2012-03-20 11:31:12 AM  

Broktun: I would much rather have my kid play basketball for Bob Knight than John Calipari.


I'd kind of rather he play for Calipari since that pretty much guarantees that he's an NBA-caliber player (and likely only having to go to college because the NBA stopped letting people jump straight from HS). Sure, the guy can't coach for sh*t, but if he recruits you, you're pretty goddamn good.
 
2012-03-20 11:31:34 AM  

bottsicus: Maybe that's the way all the sports broadcasters should be? Just analyze the play on the court (or the field, or the ice, or whatever) and STFU about everything else?


Sometimes they go overboard with the maudlin crap, sure, and I get what you're saying. But if there's an extraordinary circumstance like that, and not saying anything about it would be obvious, I don't think it's too much to expect a color guy to at least make some kind of perfunctory "My heart goes out to him" or something like that.

I mean, we want a color guy to analyze the game, but we don't want a robot either. You want to like the guy in some nebulous way, to feel like you could be having a conversation with him about the game in your den. Musburger actually does this a lot with Knight, tries to engage him on a personal level and show him as a likable person, but the only time he has any success is if he talks about hunting or Bill Belichick. Knight gets going on trying to teach the viewer and you start feeling like he's yelling at you like you're one of his players.

I actually don't mind Knight doing the games, because he does know a lot about the game (obviously), and if he gets the chance he will show me something that as a basketball neophyte I might not have noticed on my own. But for every moment like this, there's an equal or greater number of times when he's just coming off as a bitter, grumpy old man.
 
2012-03-20 11:32:26 AM  

IAmRight: babysealclubber: I find it disturbing that people excuse physical and verbal abuse because he followed the rules that are arbitrarily enforced by the NCAA

I find it disturbing that people are such pussies about "verbal abuse." It ain't personal and if you take it personal, you're too sensitive to be playing sports.


I don't care about the verbal abuse, that's just what o.p.'er said. Physical is where I draw the line.

ToddMU03: babysealclubber: I find it disturbing that people excuse physical and verbal abuse because he followed the rules that are arbitrarily enforced by the NCAA

I find it disturbing that people can't identify sarcasm.


My bad. When you're talking about Hoosiers, it can be tough to tell.
 
2012-03-20 11:33:01 AM  

IAmRight: Only drunks and losers punch when someone else is just yelling at you


He went beyond yelling pretty often (kicking, slapping choking), still no one tuned that megalomaniac up. I am still amazed by that.
 
2012-03-20 11:34:08 AM  

IAmRight: -Only drunks and losers punch when someone else is just yelling at you


Except when he choked or slapped players, that's all he did.
 
2012-03-20 11:34:12 AM  

IAmRight: Broktun: I would much rather have my kid play basketball for Bob Knight than John Calipari.

I'd kind of rather he play for Calipari since that pretty much guarantees that he's an NBA-caliber player (and likely only having to go to college because the NBA stopped letting people jump straight from HS). Sure, the guy can't coach for sh*t, but if he recruits you, you're pretty goddamn good.


He's like Thad Motta, but with more NCAA violations.
 
2012-03-20 11:36:47 AM  

king_nacho: A big part of that is because the money in this town revolves around UK basketball, and in part college athletics in general. Lexington is a college town, just like any other college town, much of the city moral comes from the college.

If it weren't for UK there wouldn't be much of anything else here.



But you guys have that store called Big Ass Fans with the donkey on the sign. That's gotta be worth something!
 
2012-03-20 11:38:02 AM  

king_nacho: funk_soul_bubby: king_nacho: If it weren't for UK there wouldn't be much of anything else here.

HENRY EARL.

Who used to spend most of his time on the UK Campus. Back then he went by Bruce Lee, carried around a picture of Bruce Lee, and would do a karate move for you if you asked, and gave him some money.


We didn't have a Henry Earl but we did have Brother Max (new window) in West Lafayette. Back in the day...
 
2012-03-20 11:43:39 AM  

babysealclubber: Except when he choked or slapped players, that's all he did.


The once or twice that's documented? Eh, typically the people that get a "choking" are the people who are jagoffs who don't pay attention to the yelling or roll their eyes or some sh*t because they're self-important assholes who think they know it all at age 18.

And I think the "choking" is grossly exaggerated.

But then, I don't think Gunny Hartman was abusive at all as a DI in Full Metal Jacket.
 
2012-03-20 11:43:54 AM  

Broktun: I would much rather have my kid play basketball for Bob Knight than John Calipari.


So you'd rather your kid play for a guy who, at worst, will hit and/or choke your child instead of the guy who, at worst, will give your kid a shiatload of money? Ok then...
 
2012-03-20 11:46:51 AM  

babysealclubber: IAmRight: babysealclubber: I find it disturbing that people excuse physical and verbal abuse because he followed the rules that are arbitrarily enforced by the NCAA

I find it disturbing that people are such pussies about "verbal abuse." It ain't personal and if you take it personal, you're too sensitive to be playing sports.

I don't care about the verbal abuse, that's just what o.p.'er said. Physical is where I draw the line.

ToddMU03: babysealclubber: I find it disturbing that people excuse physical and verbal abuse because he followed the rules that are arbitrarily enforced by the NCAA

I find it disturbing that people can't identify sarcasm.

My bad. When you're talking about Hoosiers, it can be tough to tell.


You sound young.
 
2012-03-20 11:47:45 AM  

IAmRight: babysealclubber: Except when he choked or slapped players, that's all he did.

The once or twice that's documented? Eh, typically the people that get a "choking" are the people who are jagoffs who don't pay attention to the yelling or roll their eyes or some sh*t because they're self-important assholes who think they know it all at age 18.

And I think the "choking" is grossly exaggerated.

But then, I don't think Gunny Hartman was abusive at all as a DI in Full Metal Jacket.


It's called assault anywhere else in the world, regardless of why he did it. But then again, you're one of those ITG's who find people that think there's no place for overgrown bullies in society to be evidence of the further pussification of America.
 
2012-03-20 11:54:01 AM  
This just in: Chris Chase would like Kentucky fans to leave him alone.

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-20 11:54:03 AM  

Nickster79: ...that was surprisingly reasonable. Thank you.

/surprise at thread flame war adversary resolving with reasoned argument
//head explodes


I don't particularly care about this argument, but a big ol THIS. Cheers all around.
 
2012-03-20 11:54:04 AM  
Anyone have a "When will Kentucky's 2012 NCAA Title be vacated?" pool going?
 
2012-03-20 11:57:33 AM  

Nickster79: This just in: Chris Chase would like Kentucky fans to leave him alone.

Link (new window)


He looks familiar.
 
2012-03-20 11:58:00 AM  

medius: Anyone have a "When will Kentucky's 2012 NCAA Title be vacated?" pool going?


They need to win it first. Wait and whine then.
 
2012-03-20 12:07:14 PM  
Fun fact:

Bob Knight's last game as coach of Indiana was against my alma mater during the 2000 tournament.....we won.

/Was a junior at the time.
//Cool story bro.
 
2012-03-20 12:14:29 PM  

Nickster79: This just in: Chris Chase would like Kentucky fans to leave him alone.

Link (new window)


I'm not going to side with Chase, because he's a douche, but why on earth is he worth pestering? Calipari is an easy target for criticism and isn't particularly worth defending if the same vacant attacks are being repeated by a guy who generally writes fluff-tarded pieces on Yahoo.
 
2012-03-20 12:52:56 PM  

Nickster79: This just in: Chris Chase would like Kentucky fans to leave him alone.

Link (new window)


got a cache to share? it's gone
 
2012-03-20 12:54:02 PM  

HardRocker488: Broktun: I would much rather have my kid play basketball for Bob Knight than John Calipari.

So you'd rather your kid play for a guy who, at worst, will hit and/or choke your child instead of the guy who, at worst, will give your kid a shiatload of money? Ok then...


AND you dont want your kid an almost sure bid to a NBA team. Your hate is clouding your smarts there bud.
 
2012-03-20 12:58:18 PM  

urbangirl: I moved here for a job a couple of years ago. Trust me, you have no idea what it's like. The farking UNIVERSE revolves around UK basketball. It's downright embarassing to someone who's actually lived in the real world,


I can do you one better: WKU. Yes, the same WKU that got hammered by UK last Thursday and hasn't been to a Final Four in over 40 years. At least UK's program is, you know, good.
 
2012-03-20 12:59:41 PM  

This text is now purple: IAmRight: Broktun: I would much rather have my kid play basketball for Bob Knight than John Calipari.

I'd kind of rather he play for Calipari since that pretty much guarantees that he's an NBA-caliber player (and likely only having to go to college because the NBA stopped letting people jump straight from HS). Sure, the guy can't coach for sh*t, but if he recruits you, you're pretty goddamn good.

He's like Thad Motta, but with more NCAA violations.


Josh Harrelson would disagree about Calipari not being able to coach.
 
2012-03-20 01:13:26 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: Purdue_Pete: Military

There's a point here.

FWIW, Knight is not all that difficult to understand. He's a throwback to older days and older ways, sure, but you have to consider the atmosphere at USMA when he was coaching there. This is a time when the institution itself allowed hazing as part of its disciplinary course toward molding "leaders of character to serve the common defense". Whether spoken or unspoken, it was accepted at the time and it was the order of things. Knight carried this through his coaching career at IU and has implemented it into his life as a value. The belief that the ends justify the means, all part of it. For its part, USMA has reevaluated and altered their model of discipline and personal accountability over the last 30+ years to more align with what would be acceptable in the civilian world. This is also reflected in his relationship with Coach K.

Now is it an excuse for not walking in step as the institution has and changing standards to reflect the modern world (as Coach K has)? Maybe not, but he achieved a lot of success by doing it "my way", so one could see how he might be resistant to change.


I see the point in that, but there's a point where you cross the line from "I can't let go of what has worked for me" to "I'm a stubborn ass and anyone who is critical of me or the way I do things is stupid and I'm the coach because I'm always right." The strange thing is that there are people who admire such jackasses for their jackassery.

If he wasn't a basketball coach with a good record, he'd be just another redneck with that kind of behavior.
 
2012-03-20 01:18:54 PM  

babysealclubber: Josh Harrelson would disagree about Calipari not being able to coach.


I'm sure he can coach, but his Memphis teams in particular (Derrick Rose excluded) were your atypical "supremely athletically gifted, low IQ & discipline" squads that made you seriously wonder if they did anything in practices other than run fast break drills.
 
2012-03-20 01:23:08 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: I went to Indiana in the early 1990s, and I love Bobby Knight. I know a lot of folks dont like him. BUT, he did run a clean program. His players graduated. And he is a decent guy, does a lot of charity work not covered on ESPN.

Contrast Bobby Knight with Kelvin Sampson. Clean coach with some personal issues vs. dirty coach.

Whatever "shame" Coach Knight brought upon Bloomington is farking ECLIPSED by Kelvin Sampson's shenanigans. GMAFB.


You're really going to compare too many text messages to recruits to choking a player and physically abusing and generally bullying almost everyone in the athletic department? Really?!?
 
2012-03-20 01:27:47 PM  

wildcat2011: You're really going to compare too many text messages to recruits to choking a player and physically abusing and generally bullying almost everyone in the athletic department on the campus up to and including the president?


Fixed
 
2012-03-20 01:59:24 PM  

wildcat2011: Smoky Dragon Dish: I went to Indiana in the early 1990s, and I love Bobby Knight. I know a lot of folks dont like him. BUT, he did run a clean program. His players graduated. And he is a decent guy, does a lot of charity work not covered on ESPN.

Contrast Bobby Knight with Kelvin Sampson. Clean coach with some personal issues vs. dirty coach.

Whatever "shame" Coach Knight brought upon Bloomington is farking ECLIPSED by Kelvin Sampson's shenanigans. GMAFB.

You're really going to compare too many text messages to recruits to choking a player and physically abusing and generally bullying almost everyone in the athletic department? Really?!?


You're farking joking, right? Ask Eric Gordon if too many text messages was the only problem at Indiana (new window). I don't know how you thought "too many text messages" would bring Indiana basketball to 20+ loss seasons.
 
2012-03-20 02:09:38 PM  

wildcat2011: Smoky Dragon Dish: I went to Indiana in the early 1990s, and I love Bobby Knight. I know a lot of folks dont like him. BUT, he did run a clean program. His players graduated. And he is a decent guy, does a lot of charity work not covered on ESPN.

Contrast Bobby Knight with Kelvin Sampson. Clean coach with some personal issues vs. dirty coach.

Whatever "shame" Coach Knight brought upon Bloomington is farking ECLIPSED by Kelvin Sampson's shenanigans. GMAFB.

You're really going to compare too many text messages to recruits to choking a player and physically abusing and generally bullying almost everyone in the athletic department? Really?!?


It was more than text messages, by the way. I never said Bobby Knight was a saint. He is what he is, and made no apologies for it. Bobby Knight is farking crazy, and quite possibly an asshole in day-to-day dealings. And, I wouldn't want to go hunting with him and Dick Cheney.

But, when Miles Brand says Bobby Knight's behavior doesn't represent Indiana University's values, and then IU hires Sampson a couple of years later, that is what I am saying.
 
2012-03-20 03:40:17 PM  
CSB:

My dad went to high school with Knight. Said he was a raging arsehole back then too.
 
2012-03-20 04:04:47 PM  
When Knight coached at Texas Tech, he had limited success against the Jayhawks in league play. Of course, most everyone has limited success against them. Then, a year or so ago, he was color on a game at Phog Allen fieldhouse with Musberger on play by play. Don't even remember who KU was playing. The game was winding down and it was a blowout. The KU fans started in on their "Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk" chant. Musberger made a comment that the fans were getting into the chant that meant they believed KU had the game well in hand. Knight allowed as how he hated that chant because he heard it way too often when his teams had played there. He actually said it in a rather self-deprecating way but the comedic timing was perfect.
 
2012-03-20 04:17:50 PM  
Ol' Irrelevant Bob started the season kissing Krzyzewski's face. After he wins the NCAA championship, maybe Caliparil will let Ol' Irrelevant Bob kiss his ass.
 
2012-03-20 04:23:19 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: FWIW, Knight is not all that difficult to understand. He's a throwback to older days and older ways, sure, but you have to consider the atmosphere at USMA when he was coaching there. This is a time when the institution itself allowed hazing as part of its disciplinary course toward molding "leaders of character to serve the common defense". Whether spoken or unspoken, it was accepted at the time and it was the order of things. Knight carried this through his coaching career at IU and has implemented it into his life as a value. The belief that the ends justify the means, all part of it. For its part, USMA has reevaluated and altered their model of discipline and personal accountability over the last 30+ years to more align with what would be acceptable in the civilian world. This is also reflected in his relationship with Coach K.

Now is it an excuse for not walking in step as the institution has and changing standards to reflect the modern world (as Coach K has)? Maybe not, but he achieved a lot of success by doing it "my way", so one could see how he might be resistant to change

FARKING SPOILED BABY.

ftfy

but, boy, that '87 Hoosiers team sure was good!
 
2012-03-20 04:28:00 PM  
Calipari is a greaseball, & Bob Knight is a dickhole.

Who knew??
 
2012-03-20 04:38:26 PM  

king_nacho: urbangirl: I moved here for a job a couple of years ago. Trust me, you have no idea what it's like. The farking UNIVERSE revolves around UK basketball. It's downright embarassing to someone who's actually lived in the real world,

A big part of that is because the money in this town revolves around UK basketball, and in part college athletics in general. Lexington is a college town, just like any other college town, much of the city moral comes from the college.

If it weren't for UK there wouldn't be much of anything else here.


A huge auto manufacturing factory and many of its suppliers?
 
2012-03-20 04:57:07 PM  

kicksmile: AND you dont want your kid an almost sure bid to a NBA team. Your hate is clouding your smarts there bud.


None of the players are getting NBA attention because they go to Kentucky, they have NBA attention before they get there... That's what Calipari sells them, they get to play, pretty much guaranteed playing time, regardless of whether having a better college style player in their role would lead to a championship victory. And that's good enough for him to usually have a top 5 team, though not one that can win a championship, regardless of whether it would be vacated later.

So he trades off the experience and style of play needed to win a championship in order to draw the NBA one and dones to his program that really don't care about the school, they just want the playing time to ensure they get drafted. And when you draw those kind of players why would they care if wins are vacated so long as they get drafted high?
 
2012-03-20 06:13:39 PM  
Isn't that what a color commentator is supposed to do? Inflect and project his personal feelings?

Bobby Knight isn't on hand for shrewd technical commentary.
 
2012-03-20 06:51:49 PM  

T.rex: Bobby Knight isn't on hand for shrewd technical commentary.


That's a shame, he might be good at that.
 
2012-03-20 07:07:38 PM  
I grew up in the state of Indiana with a basketball hoop in my driveway, and therefore it's going to be impossible for anyone to convince me that Bob Knight isn't a great coach and basketball legend. There's quite a bit of denial worked into my opinion of him as a person that can never be undone due to my Hoosier heritage.
 
2012-03-20 07:25:10 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: wildcat2011: Smoky Dragon Dish:

But, when Miles Brand says Bobby Knight's behavior doesn't represent Indiana University's values, and then IU hires Sampson a couple of years later, that is what I am saying.


I may be misremembering but I thought Miles Brand was head of the NCAA when Kelvin Sampson was hired at IU.
 
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