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2012-03-20 10:51:25 AM  

quoinguy: We're talking about the opinions of a bimbo who got massively wealthy owning her own brand and reaping profits through the capitalist system? How socialist is it for her to keep virtually all of her own profits and live a life of luxury while many around her are poor?

Anyone amazed at her galactic disconnect from reality and sheer idiocy of her thought process?


Only if you don't know what socialism is.
 
2012-03-20 10:51:53 AM  

quoinguy: We're talking about the opinions of a bimbo who got massively wealthy owning her own brand and reaping profits through the capitalist system? How socialist is it for her to keep virtually all of her own profits and live a life of luxury while many around her are poor?

Anyone amazed at her galactic disconnect from reality and sheer idiocy of her thought process?


So she's no different than, say, John Lennon.
 
2012-03-20 10:53:22 AM  

CygnusDarius: Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?

Talk about missing the point.

I think he's trolling. Hard.


Perhaps.

I think he's dead serious. Most Paultards are.
 
2012-03-20 10:53:35 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.


And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.
 
2012-03-20 10:57:39 AM  

quoinguy: We're talking about the opinions of a bimbo who got massively wealthy owning her own brand and reaping profits through the capitalist system? How socialist is it for her to keep virtually all of her own profits and live a life of luxury while many around her are poor?

Anyone amazed at her galactic disconnect from reality and sheer idiocy of her thought process?


Why is it that so many Americans can't tell the difference between charity and socialism?
 
2012-03-20 10:57:46 AM  

rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.

You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.

Or if you'd judged him by political standards of the US 30 years ago, he'd be a moderate conservative.


...on economic issues.

Like I said, every current mainstream politician is to the right of Nixon on economic issues.

And 30 years ago is a bad example. 32 years ago Reagan was elected. 31 years ago he broke the air traffic control union.

On social issues, Obama is to the left of Democrats 30 years ago. For example, while he doesn't support gay marriage, he does support civil unions and other gay rights, which would put him to the left of basically every member of Congress in 1982 (including Barney Frank, who hadn't come out of the closet yet).
 
2012-03-20 10:59:37 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.


From your profile:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
~Christopher Hitchens


I have given (admittedy brief) reasons for the claim that Naziism is left-wing and will be happy to elucidate. You have merely made an assertion without evidence.

It takes a real dummy to put a quote on his profile and then go against it in the threads.
 
2012-03-20 11:02:01 AM  
Some socialist.

Macpherson later diversified her portfolio of businesses, and in 1990 launched her lingerie collection 'Elle Macpherson Intimates' in partnership with Bendon Limited Apparel. Intimates met with remarkable international success, becoming the single best-selling lingerie line in both Great Britain[13] and Australia[14] Breaking the mould of many models, Macpherson took an active role in the development and management of the company, serving as Chief Marketing Officer and later Creative Director. While nursing her second child, she spearheaded the development of a signature maternity bra line.[15] Intimates has retained a high brand recognition into the 2000s, appearing as a featured brand on America's Next Top Model.

More recently,[when?] Macpherson created her own label of beauty products: "Elle Macpherson - The Body". She has launched or served as spokesmodel for campaigns by Boots,[16] Invisible Zinc,[17] and Hot Tuna.[18] The BBC-TV series The Money Programme aired a documentary which followed Macpherson through her day-to-day business as she continued to develop her international lingerie business. In March 2008, Macpherson signed a three-year spokesperson deal with Revlon cosmetics. She has since been featured in print and advertising campaigns for that company;[19] it has been announced by Macpherson herself that she would expand her underwear line by creating a new Lingerie Collection baptised 'Obsidion' which would be launched in Spring 2010.[20]

Macpherson has two sons with her former long-term boyfriend, French financier Arpad Busson, whom she never married. Her sons are Arpad Flynn Alexander Busson (born 14 February 1998), and Aurelius Cy Andrea Busson (born 4 February 2003). Macpherson and Busson began their romantic relationship in 1995, became engaged in August 2002, but called off the wedding in July 2005.[citation needed] Macpherson resides most of the time in Britain along with her two sons. She speaks fluent French and conversational Italian and Spanish.[15] Macpherson revealed to Howard Stern that she is a Socialist.[33] Miss Macpherson was in a two-year relationship with U.S. multi-millionaire Jeff Soffer, 43, but earlier this month it emerged they had separated. [2]
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Elle MacPherson was born in Australia and has an estimated net worth of $45 million dollars. (new window)

Worth $45 million, owns and operates successful international businesses, sleeps with multi-millionaire financiers. Yeah, that's some text-book socialism sh*t right there.

L'État comprime et la loi triche
L'impôt saigne le malheureux
Nul devoir ne s'impose au riche
Le droit du pauvre est un mot creux
C'est assez, languir en tutelle
L'égalité veut d'autres lois
Pas de droits sans devoirs dit-elle
Égaux, pas de devoirs sans droits
C'est la lutte finale
Groupons-nous, et demain
L'Internationale
Sera le genre humain


What next? Is she going to reveal that she's also a giraffe? Perhaps she thinks she's a sea turtle. Look at me! I'm a sea turtle! Hey, biotch: How about you shut the f*ck up?
 
2012-03-20 11:02:09 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.


And assuming that the Nazis are leftists (I know they are not) does not necessarily make leftism evil. So not only is he wrong, he's also committing a logical fallacy. Reducto Ad Hitlerum. Or perhaps better known as Association Fallacy.
 
2012-03-20 11:02:56 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?

Talk about missing the point.

You appear to be trying to change the subject away from the lies of liberals. Is that because talking about liberal lies is embarassing to you?

The point of posting that sign is that it's blatantly racist. Yes, it also calls the President a liar in a non-specific way, but that's missing the point. It's quite pathetic I have to point this out to you.

Maybe whoever wrote the sign saw the coulour of his skin and assumed, wrongly, that he was from Africa. A perfectly innocent mistake that anyone could make.


So hard to tell the difference between honest conservatives and trolls these days.
 
2012-03-20 11:03:20 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.


Does it hurt slamming your head into a brick wall that often?
 
2012-03-20 11:03:57 AM  

rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.

You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.

Or if you'd judged him by political standards of the US 30 years ago, he'd be a moderate conservative.


Fiscally, most certainly. However 30 years ago being in favour of gays in the military, gay marriage and endorsing a black man for President would have put you firmly in the Liberal camp.
 
2012-03-20 11:06:51 AM  

Flappyhead: THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.

Does it hurt slamming your head into a brick wall that often?


Is that how your head became flappy?
 
2012-03-20 11:07:39 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.

From your profile:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
~Christopher Hitchens

I have given (admittedy brief) reasons for the claim that Naziism is left-wing and will be happy to elucidate. You have merely made an assertion without evidence.

It takes a real dummy to put a quote on his profile and then go against it in the threads.


There's plenty of evidence. The truth is that they promised both left and right wing policies while campaigning, but stuck with the more right wing stuff when they achieved power.

Look, dude, the social history of fascism (esp. Nazism) was my major focus in grad school. I've read hundreds of books on the subject.

What have you read? Jonah Goldberg?
 
2012-03-20 11:08:06 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.

You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.

Or if you'd judged him by political standards of the US 30 years ago, he'd be a moderate conservative.

That's the point. Obama is no liberal, even by 30-year-old standards.
He's a Chicago School black man, which makes him a darling for self-identified liberals who don't understand what "Chicago School" means.


I concur. It seems that the people who call Obama 'socialist' are the type who never have, and never will own a passport in their lives, and whose idea of adventurous is dining at Olive Garden.
 
2012-03-20 11:08:10 AM  

mrshowrules: rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf:

Fiscally, most certainly. However 30 years ago being in favour of gays in the military, gay marriage and endorsing a black man for President would have put you firmly in the Liberal camp.


Please direct me to this Liberal Camp of which you speak.
I would like to visit. I've heard liberal girls are easy.
 
2012-03-20 11:10:57 AM  

canyoneer: Some socialist.

Macpherson later diversified her portfolio of businesses, and in 1990 launched her lingerie collection 'Elle Macpherson Intimates' in partnership with Bendon Limited Apparel. Intimates met with remarkable international success, becoming the single best-selling lingerie line in both Great Britain[13] and Australia[14] Breaking the mould of many models, Macpherson took an active role in the development and management of the company, serving as Chief Marketing Officer and later Creative Director. While nursing her second child, she spearheaded the development of a signature maternity bra line.[15] Intimates has retained a high brand recognition into the 2000s, appearing as a featured brand on America's Next Top Model.

More recently,[when?] Macpherson created her own label of beauty products: "Elle Macpherson - The Body". She has launched or served as spokesmodel for campaigns by Boots,[16] Invisible Zinc,[17] and Hot Tuna.[18] The BBC-TV series The Money Programme aired a documentary which followed Macpherson through her day-to-day business as she continued to develop her international lingerie business. In March 2008, Macpherson signed a three-year spokesperson deal with Revlon cosmetics. She has since been featured in print and advertising campaigns for that company;[19] it has been announced by Macpherson herself that she would expand her underwear line by creating a new Lingerie Collection baptised 'Obsidion' which would be launched in Spring 2010.[20]

Macpherson has two sons with her former long-term boyfriend, French financier Arpad Busson, whom she never married. Her sons are Arpad Flynn Alexander Busson (born 14 February 1998), and Aurelius Cy Andrea Busson (born 4 February 2003). Macpherson and Busson began their romantic relationship in 1995, became engaged in August 2002, but called off the wedding in July 2005.[citation needed] Macpherson resides most of the time in Britain along with her two sons. She speaks fluent French and conversatio ...


I dunno. "Socialism" and "Socialist" are very slippery terms. To a Republican, they mean anything left of Gingrich. On the other side of the spectrum, some self proclaimed socialists basically want communism without the brutality.

I can see a definition of "believing in free, government run health care and higher education, high taxes on the rich, and government control of heavy industry". Owning a clothing line would not be incompatible with this defintion.
 
2012-03-20 11:11:04 AM  
This is so depressing. A headline about Elle MacPherson joking about the Obamasocialgasm on the Howard Stern show, and it's a wall of Shills vs. Those Who Inexplicably Indulge Them, instead of a wall of Elle.
 
2012-03-20 11:13:03 AM  

Alphax: socialism



You're actually trying to say she's not spouting platitudes from the safety of being massively wealthy, doesn't own any property, and doesn't take every tax deduction possible? I know enough about socialism to know it's a very wide belief spectrum, from wanting to expand health care for everyone and call it a day, all the way to zero private ownership of land, buildings, and materials. She made the comment to sound hardcore, and that's the point I'm calling disingenuous.

When was the last time you heard of some jackwipe claiming they are a socialist and mailed in double or triple their tax assessment for the common social good? It doesn't happen.

Socialism has had a long history and many iterations. At every point in it's history it collapsed when it went too far because of government inefficiency and heavy taxation. It's a basic economic fact the spending multiplier of government money lags behind the spending multiplier of private money. The discussion should be how do we get the private sector to do what the government has no business doing.

That being said, we may be undertaxed right now. But before we raise taxes I want to see all spending cut by at least 20%--possibly more. And to completely change the system top to bottom. Bush's grant programs were just as wasteful as BO's--there's a severe lack of taking the importance of all our tax money seriously. To politicians it's just numbers on a spreadsheet. To all of us $500, $1,000, or $5,000 is real money that can change our lives.

$500 is that set of tires you need.
$1,000 is a major chunk of your property taxes.
$5,000 is a cheap used car, or the new roof you need.

To the government numbers like those are nothing, so they just piss them away every chance they get.
 
2012-03-20 11:14:13 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.

From your profile:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
~Christopher Hitchens

I have given (admittedy brief) reasons for the claim that Naziism is left-wing and will be happy to elucidate. You have merely made an assertion without evidence.

It takes a real dummy to put a quote on his profile and then go against it in the threads.

There's plenty of evidence. The truth is that they promised both left and right wing policies while campaigning, but stuck with the more right wing stuff when they achieved power.

Look, dude, the social history of fascism (esp. Nazism) was my major focus in grad school. I've read hundreds of books on the subject.

What have you read? Jonah Goldberg?


Probably the complete works of the John Birch Society too.
 
2012-03-20 11:16:13 AM  

thamike: This is so depressing. A headline about Elle MacPherson joking about the Obamasocialgasm on the Howard Stern show, and it's a wall of Shills vs. Those Who Inexplicably Indulge Them, instead of a wall of Elle.


Here ya go (new window)
 
2012-03-20 11:19:51 AM  

heinekenftw: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.

And assuming that the Nazis are leftists (I know they are not) does not necessarily make leftism evil. So not only is he wrong, he's also committing a logical fallacy. Reducto Ad Hitlerum. Or perhaps better known as Association Fallacy.


My friend, if I may call you that, you are making a mistake.

You see it is not just nazis (who really are on the left) who do atrocities and fark things up. It's every case of leftism allowed to go beyond a certain point. Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, and the European Union.

Leftism always goes wrong, every time. This is not fallacy of association. This is a systemic trend.

More disturbingly, since socialism operates by enlarging the state and centralising power in the hands of government "deciders", there must be a point of no return beyond which the people no longer have the ability to say "no, that's enough let's ease up now". All we know is that lots of powerful advanced nations went beyond that point in the 20th century and hundreds of millions of people died.

Maybe you think wise socialists would stop of their own accord. But they say things like, "as long as there is any weath inequality the battle is not won" or "we won't stop until every greedy person ahs been brought to justice" and although we accept this as polemic hyperbole today, the Milgram and Stanford prison experiements, as well as experience on the Internet, show that by saying such things repeatedly, leftists will gradually legitimise them and give authority to what are really totalitarian concepts.

What has happened before can happen again, and the revisionist way in which the left compartmentalise and sacredise Fascism in order to distance themselves from the horrors that follow from their own ideology is a shame on the whole of humanity.
 
2012-03-20 11:21:47 AM  

quoinguy: You're actually trying to say she's not spouting platitudes from the safety of being massively wealthy, doesn't own any property, and doesn't take every tax deduction possible? I know enough about socialism to know it's a very wide belief spectrum, from wanting to expand health care for everyone and call it a day, all the way to zero private ownership of land, buildings, and materials. She made the comment to sound hardcore, and that's the point I'm calling disingenuous.


You don't have to take a vow of poverty to care about people. Sheesh.
 
2012-03-20 11:21:50 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.

From your profile:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
~Christopher Hitchens

I have given (admittedy brief) reasons for the claim that Naziism is left-wing and will be happy to elucidate. You have merely made an assertion without evidence.

It takes a real dummy to put a quote on his profile and then go against it in the threads.

There's plenty of evidence. The truth is that they promised both left and right wing policies while campaigning, but stuck with the more right wing stuff when they achieved power.

Look, dude, the social history of fascism (esp. Nazism) was my major focus in grad school. I've read hundreds of books on the subject.

What have you read? Jonah Goldberg?


An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.
 
2012-03-20 11:21:54 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.


try putting anarchy on one end and totalitarianism on the other end. all the bad guys will be over there with the socialists. ron paul will still be on the other side all alone...
 
2012-03-20 11:23:26 AM  
THE GREAT NAME:

i.imgur.com


Never thought I'd get to use this again.
 
2012-03-20 11:26:23 AM  

colon_pow: THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.

try putting anarchy on one end and totalitarianism on the other end. all the bad guys will be over there with the socialists. ron paul will still be on the other side all alone...


Politics does not operate on a single axis, but a spectrum (new window).
There is political left and right as well as social left and right, and athoritarian vs libertarian.

Most Americans are authoritarian followers by default. It's a common imperial trait.
 
2012-03-20 11:27:51 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.


Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.
 
2012-03-20 11:29:18 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.

Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.


But those are all liberal whitewash propaganda. The only ones that aren't are (coincidentally, I'm sure) the ones that support his position!
 
2012-03-20 11:31:41 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.

Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.


He has read books by real scholars, but he won't tell you which ones since they're all conservatives and you'll just dismiss what they wrote.

/once got that as a response from a neocon
 
2012-03-20 11:32:40 AM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


You mean the health care policy based on Mitt Romney's health care policy implemented in Massachusetts which in turn was based on Newt Gingrich's 1994 alternative to HillaryCare?
 
2012-03-20 11:32:48 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: colon_pow: THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.

try putting anarchy on one end and totalitarianism on the other end. all the bad guys will be over there with the socialists. ron paul will still be on the other side all alone...

Politics does not operate on a single axis, but a spectrum (new window).
There is political left and right as well as social left and right, and athoritarian vs libertarian.

Most Americans are authoritarian followers by default. It's a common imperial trait.


Political diagrams are constantly re-invented by leftists to hide their totalitarian tendancies.

The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

The two-axis graph was produced in an attempt to suggest that leftist authouritarianism relates only to fiscal matters, and that they compensate by being "liberal" about personal matters (anyone who has been displaced by an affirmative action scheme, or made to smoke in the freezing rain, or had their free speech censored on the Internet know this is a complete lie).

No doubt it will change again, as people who describe themselves using the oxmoronic term "left-libertarians" are revealed for the obsessively controlling crypto-bolshevikists they really are.
 
2012-03-20 11:39:03 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.

Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.


Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.

But if they're controlling the government they *are* the government. And their business wing is effectively nationalised because they are part of the government. The idea of corporatism as anything seperate from statism is just part of the whitewash fraud.

By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?
 
2012-03-20 11:39:28 AM  
Just keep you mouth shut, honey and look pretty.
 
2012-03-20 11:41:21 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.


Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.
 
2012-03-20 11:43:37 AM  

Mentat: THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.


they're both authoritarian.
 
2012-03-20 11:44:11 AM  
I love these insanely wealthy folks who live in huge houses, and drive fancy cars, that claim they're "socialists". If they were, wouldn't they get rid of all that stuff? You know, to help the poor out?

I take her socialism as seriously as I take Al Gore's environmentalism.
 
2012-03-20 11:46:35 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.


HA HJA, no I don't!

THE GREAT NAME: By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?


I'm not hiding behind anything. Unless years of study and hundreds of books is hiding.

Content? HA HA HA
 
2012-03-20 11:46:50 AM  

Mentat: THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.


There were many competing brands of communism... fascism was just one. Just because certain groups took sides with the Nazis doesn't change the essence of their ideology.

The Nazis purged Christianity between 1932 and 1945. As I have mentioned, corporatism is a red herring, and the army was also a big factor in Russian Communism.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:03 AM  
Typical Hot Blond, All Body and No Brain.

1.bp.blogspot.com

and somewhat of an Attention Whore

3.bp.blogspot.com


But I would still do her.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:33 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.

HA HJA, no I don't!

THE GREAT NAME: By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?

I'm not hiding behind anything. Unless years of study and hundreds of books is hiding.

Content? HA HA HA


Did you even actually read any of those books? It's starting to look like you jsut wrote emo angst poems the whole time and got your degree for "participating".
 
2012-03-20 11:49:13 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.

Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.

Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.

But if they're controlling the government they *are* the government. And their business wing is effectively nationalised because they are part of the government. The idea of corporatism as anything seperate from statism is just part of the whitewash fraud.

By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?


You should have stuck with the 2-3 sentence posts, now you're just getting all Glenn Beckish.
 
2012-03-20 11:49:51 AM  

thamike: This is so depressing. A headline about Elle MacPherson joking about the Obamasocialgasm on the Howard Stern show, and it's a wall of Shills vs. Those Who Inexplicably Indulge Them, instead of a wall of Elle.


A sign of the end of days, if I ever saw one.
 
2012-03-20 11:51:25 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.

HA HJA, no I don't!

THE GREAT NAME: By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?

I'm not hiding behind anything. Unless years of study and hundreds of books is hiding.

Content? HA HA HA

Did you even actually read any of those books? It's starting to look like you jsut wrote emo angst poems the whole time and got your degree for "participating".


OK Corky. You have a good one.
 
2012-03-20 11:51:42 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Mentat: THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.

There were many competing brands of communism... fascism was just one. Just because certain groups took sides with the Nazis doesn't change the essence of their ideology.

The Nazis purged Christianity between 1932 and 1945. As I have mentioned, corporatism is a red herring, and the army was also a big factor in Russian Communism.


Now that is just too stupid even for a troll post. Hello ignore button, how YOU doin'?
 
2012-03-20 11:51:48 AM  

colon_pow: they're both authoritarian.


So?

THE GREAT NAME: The Nazis purged Christianity between 1932 and 1945


Someone should tell the Pope that.
 
2012-03-20 11:54:48 AM  

Mildot: Typical Hot Blond, All Body and No Brain.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 350x400]

and somewhat of an Attention Whore

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 270x400]


But I would still do her.


blu.stb.s-msn.com

"Do they pay you to screw that bear?"
 
2012-03-20 12:05:45 PM  

Mentat: colon_pow: they're both authoritarian.

So?

THE GREAT NAME: The Nazis purged Christianity between 1932 and 1945

Someone should tell the Pope that.


OK

brrr brrr brrr brrr
Yo?
Hay Benny, its yer ol' pal THE GREAT NAME here, howz it hanging?
Like Church bells, homie. Wazzup?
I got this godam (sorry) libtard here, wants to know about Hitler and the Church
Hey no worries, tell him Hitler sucked. Made out like he had the "alternative" to communism, but then turned out it was the same ol' shiat. No room for other idealogies y'see.
Yah man thats what I thought. Ever heard of user Mentat?
Yah, moron. Got him on ignore.
Figures, he's full of it, typical lib
Pfft. Loser.
Laters, man
Laters
click.
 
2012-03-20 12:06:40 PM  

Sgygus: Would make sense if Obama was in any way a socialist, instead of what he is, a blue-dog democrat.


As a Rochdale socialist, I voted for Obama for the same reason many free-market capitalists and Marxist socialists did -- the dude is competent, small-c conservative in his approach to government, and most importantly _sane_, in a year where his opposition was characterized by Sarah Palin and the third parties were somehow putting forward zealots even crazier.

From the looks of it, this round is going to be roughly the same, the dude's going to unite some widely differing ideologies simply by being the one candidate capable of working with others, doing the job, and remembering that the pants go on the legs rather than the head.

//No offense to Stewart Alexander, of course, but it doesn't look like he's even making the ballot in my state at this point. Dude can't even afford a buttoned shirt for official photos. That leaves Obama v Crazy v Crazier v Craziest on the Texas ballot.
 
2012-03-20 12:09:53 PM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


There is no official United States law called "Obamacare;" the correct name is "The Affordable Health Care Act."

USE IT.

Calling it "Obamacare" over and over again is a sign of an illiterate Republican hack.


///We'll just have to call the war against women laws "slut shaming acts" or psychopath acts" if people like you keep it up
 
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