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2012-03-20 09:16:57 AM
Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.
 
2012-03-20 09:16:59 AM

Thats No Moose: Why the fark do the lot of you reply to the threadshiatter?


I guess because any serious conservative already has a decent presidential candidate... in Obama. If you're anywhere to the left of Generalissimo Francisco Franco there isn't a single candidate in the Republican field that's worth anything.
 
2012-03-20 09:17:01 AM

ginandbacon: Sgygus: Would make sense if Obama was in any way a socialist, instead of what he is, a blue-dog democrat moderate Republican.

I don't dislike the guy, but let's face reality here. Strip away his background and look at his policies, and you have a mild conservative. The fact that anyone sees him as progressive just gores to show how far into crazy the GOP has gone.


On some issues I think you're right. On other issues he's more progressive, such as alternative energy. I think part of it is that he's been holding back on some issues in order to get reelected. It would be nice if he were a flaming liberal, but in all honesty that's not going to help him keep the White House. I still think/hope that after he's reelected he'll push for far more progressive policies, especially on same-sex marriage and energy and possibly labor and environmental protection. I still think he'll be fairly conservative on matters of foreign policy, but perhaps even less supportive of Israel than he is now.
 
2012-03-20 09:18:14 AM

Mercutio74: scarmig: Wait, if she's a socialist, isn't she supposed to be sharing the "wealth"? I mean, you know, from those who have to those who need.

I guess you could make that claim... if you didn't mistake personal charity for socialist economic policy. In any case, I'm always wary of anyone who claims they're a socialist while maintaining a straight face. Pure socialism is about as disastrous as pure capitalism. I often tell people I'm a dirty red Canadian socialist, but really what I support is a free market system that's tempered by a strong government that embraces socialist principles where it makes sense. This way people are freest to rise to the level of their ability and make money commensurate with that level of talent/expertise/hard work.


Who gets decide where socialist principles make sense?
 
2012-03-20 09:19:16 AM

Thats No Moose: Why the fark do the lot of you reply to the threadshiatter?


Right on brother. GAT_00 is a complete tool.
 
2012-03-20 09:19:37 AM

theknuckler_33: Confabulat: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

You left out the FEMA camps. What about the FEMA camps?

Don't forget Obama's private army (new window)!!!


I've thought about just recycling that and a bunch of other crap I got Fwd'd 4 years ago. Just sending it right back to the people who sent it. You know how when a dog poops on the carpet you fuss and put his face near it so he knows that the poop, right there, is why you're upset? Like that. Only I think my step-dad's smart enough to not need me to grab him by the scruff of the neck and act all disappointed.
 
2012-03-20 09:19:52 AM

Lipo: I still think he'll be fairly conservative on matters of foreign policy, but perhaps even less supportive of Israel than he is now.


Perhaps. He definitely won't need AIPAC money after this election.
 
2012-03-20 09:20:40 AM

CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.


There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.
 
2012-03-20 09:21:00 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-03-20 09:21:26 AM
gets TO decide
 
2012-03-20 09:23:27 AM

theknuckler_33: CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.

There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.


Many people under 50 believe they are paying into those social services only to see them privatized and the cost burden to be shifted to user fees and co-pays.
 
2012-03-20 09:24:21 AM

theknuckler_33: CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.

There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.


However, if, in order to protect those benefits, these people soak the next generation of recipients, then we can all call them cat-farkers. To their faces. Can we agree on that?

/When they even talk about voting based on that idea... the whole 'privatize SS/medicare' crap I get a little upset.
 
2012-03-20 09:25:44 AM
The current Tory-led government in the UK is currently considered to be acting in a manner to the right of Thatcher.

Obama is to the demonstrably right of the Tories.

Given that Thatcher pushed Reagan to the right in his thinking..... you know, we can construct a logic flow diagram here....
 
2012-03-20 09:26:37 AM

DKinMN: Who gets decide where socialist principles make sense?


Generally, it's the people through the election process. Although more and more, it's corporations who buy legislation.

Personally, as a general rule, I would say that socialism is best used when a free market solution would break down. For example, health care has inelastic demand. Ask someone if they'd give up everything they own so that they could not die today... or ask a parent if they'd forever screw themselves financially to cure their kid's cancer. If a treatment is $10,000 or a million, it doesn't make a difference... most parents would give away everything just for the chance to save their kid. It makes sense to socialize medical funding.

Another place where it makes sense to socialize is when something is necessary to participate in a society. It doesn't make sense to have a private fire department because if your neighbour doesn't engage a fire company and his house catches on fire, yours might end up burning even though you do have a contract with a fire department. It wouldn't make financial sense for them to put our your neighbour's fire, they'd have to wait until yours began to burn.
 
2012-03-20 09:27:31 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Keep f*cking that chicken, Billy


i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.
 
2012-03-20 09:28:03 AM

Bungles: The current Tory-led government in the UK is currently considered to be acting in a manner to the right of Thatcher.

Obama is to the demonstrably right of the Tories.

Given that Thatcher pushed Reagan to the right in his thinking..... you know, we can construct a logic flow diagram here....


A logic diagram from made up bullshiat. Interesting concept.
 
2012-03-20 09:28:40 AM
Where is the Malia Vacation Derp thread?
 
2012-03-20 09:28:48 AM

theknuckler_33: There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.


.... and most people's pay-in is gone within weeks, if not months of their starting to pay in. None of these programs can be seen as 'account holder' programs, and that's a GOOD thing. Why? Because if it was, then the accounts of the DEAD become the income of the 'big government'.

It is a direct transfer payment program - and again, this is a GOOD thing. The Younger generation has pledged that it will voluntarily set aside some of its income for the care and feeding of their elders, out of both respect and honor.

Why is a direct transfer program better than an account-holder or even a defined benefit program? Because If the burder becomes too heavy, the younger generation CAN and SHOULD reflect this, and the older generation - now much richer than any before it - should be okay with that.

It used to be that getting old meant becoming very very poor and a burden on your children - if you could manage that. It meant getting what 'free' care your family's doctor could scrape together - probably no hospital treatments or expensive boner pills or heart stents.

The quality of life for the elderly - in purely economic terms - is miles ahead of what their parents and grandparents and earlier ancestors got.

And that's a GOOD thing. Social darwinism is something nobody deserves.
 
2012-03-20 09:29:02 AM

BillCo: FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?

The libtard definition of a racist:

Average American: "I don't completely agree with some of the president's policies"

Libtards: "You're a racist!"



Since when have you ever said anything as calm and rational about Obama as "I don't completely agree with some of the president's policies?" What you lot usually say is "FARTBONGO, NARF!" Throw out whatever legit critique of Obama's policies, not the man himself, and you'll get a response that doesn't involve "you're a racist." But you won't because that would be proof of how full crap you are.

And a little FYI here; I grew up Republican. I know what the dog whistles sound like, I was trained to hear them just like you. So don't lie to me like you do yourself. I ain't buying it.
 
2012-03-20 09:30:23 AM

FlashHarry: i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.


I think it would be awesome to see the 'most ignored' list. Like, of the posters in the last 60 days, who is posting most fruitlessly?

/doesn't expect many people to see this.
 
2012-03-20 09:30:44 AM

FlashHarry: Lionel Mandrake: Keep f*cking that chicken, Billy

i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.


No, I'm at work making a huge salary. I don't comment much because I have this thing called "work" to do. You should try it sometime.

Why do you have "most farkers" on ignore? Are you afraid of opinions that differ from your own?

Ignore is for pussies.
 
2012-03-20 09:30:44 AM

Petit_Merdeux: BillCo: Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

He's trying to forget that he had to settle for a plan that was created by republicans and actually implemented in one state by a republican, instead of giving us a truly socialist single-payer system.


You are simply not a smart person.
 
2012-03-20 09:30:53 AM
Obama, not a socialist, but #1 with socialists.
 
2012-03-20 09:32:27 AM
Because Socialists believe everyone should be a millionaire super model.
 
2012-03-20 09:32:33 AM

Headso: Many people under 50 believe they are paying into those social services only to see them privatized and the cost burden to be shifted to user fees and co-pays.


BeesNuts: /When they even talk about voting based on that idea... the whole 'privatize SS/medicare' crap I get a little upset.


I don't disagree at all. Doesn't make what I said untrue.
 
2012-03-20 09:32:54 AM

rudemix: Where is the Malia Vacation Derp thread?


Looks like it's gone, as I expected it would eventually, considering the subject matter.
 
2012-03-20 09:34:26 AM

BillCo: Bungles: The current Tory-led government in the UK is currently considered to be acting in a manner to the right of Thatcher.

Obama is to the demonstrably right of the Tories.

Given that Thatcher pushed Reagan to the right in his thinking..... you know, we can construct a logic flow diagram here....

A logic diagram from made up bullshiat. Interesting concept.




I'm surprised you even know who Thatcher and Reagan were. Or where the UK is.
 
2012-03-20 09:34:57 AM

beta_plus: Obama, not a socialist, but #1 with socialists.


That's pretty accurate. Could you imagine a socialist voting GOP? Essentially in the US, you guys have a right wing party and a far right party. Not a lot of choice if you're politically moderate or a leftist.
 
2012-03-20 09:34:57 AM

theknuckler_33: CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.

There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.


and certainly, the people receiving benefits paid in dollar-for-dollar the amount they're getting out of it. it really was more of a savings account.
 
2012-03-20 09:35:09 AM

MyRandomName: Petit_Merdeux: BillCo: Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

He's trying to forget that he had to settle for a plan that was created by republicans and actually implemented in one state by a republican, instead of giving us a truly socialist single-payer system.

You are simply not a smart person.


i480.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-20 09:35:30 AM

rubi_con_man: None of these programs can be seen as 'account holder' programs


I wasn't suggesting that it was.
 
2012-03-20 09:35:37 AM
Elle's mons pubis needs some of my socialism.
 
2012-03-20 09:37:02 AM
So?

Can we stop using the word as a pejorative?

It's an economic system just like Capitalism. Neither is "evil". Neither is good for societies in it's pure form, but when used in a mixed economy, it's probably the best system we've come up with as humans.

...and, yeah, Obama is not a Socialist. He's essentially a moderate Republican. Too bad the GOP is so far off in right field that moderate positions seem like "far left" positions to them.
 
2012-03-20 09:37:43 AM

BillCo: FlashHarry: Lionel Mandrake: Keep f*cking that chicken, Billy

i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.

No, I'm at work making a huge salary. I don't comment much because I have this thing called "work" to do. You should try it sometime.

Why do you have "most farkers" on ignore? Are you afraid of opinions that differ from your own?

Ignore is for pussies.


I'm guessing his employer is nepotism.
 
2012-03-20 09:38:33 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Elle's mons pubis needs some of my socialism.


So like the GOP's stance on birth control, you wish to control the "means of her production"?
 
2012-03-20 09:38:36 AM

CapnBlues: theknuckler_33: CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.

There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.

and certainly, the people receiving benefits paid in dollar-for-dollar the amount they're getting out of it. it really was more of a savings account.


I didn't say that. I just think it is a tad unfair to acknowledge that today's retirees were paying into a system to give benefits to people who never contributed at all. It could be argued that they got screwed even worse than today's workers(*).

(*) This statement is null and void if the whole things disappears in 20 years and we get nothing.
 
2012-03-20 09:38:57 AM

BillCo: No, I'm at work making a huge salary.


You know how I know you're lying?
 
2012-03-20 09:39:25 AM

theknuckler_33: I didn't say that. I just think it is a tad unfair not to acknowledge that today's retirees were paying into a system to give benefits to people who never contributed at all. It could be argued that they got screwed even worse than today's workers(*).

(*) This statement is null and void if the whole things disappears in 20 years and we get nothing.


/FTFM
 
2012-03-20 09:40:03 AM

keylock71: So?

Can we stop using the word as a pejorative?

It's an economic system just like Capitalism. Neither is "evil". Neither is good for societies in it's pure form, but when used in a mixed economy, it's probably the best system we've come up with as humans.

...and, yeah, Obama is not a Socialist. He's essentially a moderate Republican. Too bad the GOP is so far off in right field that moderate positions seem like "far left" positions to them.


So you're voting Republican in the next election?
 
2012-03-20 09:40:38 AM

rubi_con_man: ignored


these are the people on mine: Darconix Gato Negro Phil Herup

they were all as i recall just the epitome of the right wing troll who never responded to anything written in response to their outrageous posts, but just kept making more.

Mercutio74: DKinMN: Who gets decide where socialist principles make sense?

Generally, it's the people through the election process. Although more and more, it's corporations who buy legislation.

Personally, as a general rule, I would say that socialism is best used when a free market solution would break down. For example, health care has inelastic demand. Ask someone if they'd give up everything they own so that they could not die today... or ask a parent if they'd forever screw themselves financially to cure their kid's cancer. If a treatment is $10,000 or a million, it doesn't make a difference... most parents would give away everything just for the chance to save their kid. It makes sense to socialize medical funding.

Another place where it makes sense to socialize is when something is necessary to participate in a society. It doesn't make sense to have a private fire department because if your neighbour doesn't engage a fire company and his house catches on fire, yours might end up burning even though you do have a contract with a fire department. It wouldn't make financial sense for them to put our your neighbour's fire, they'd have to wait until yours began to burn.


stop making so much damn sense. this is fark ffs.
 
2012-03-20 09:40:41 AM

Confabulat: BillCo: No, I'm at work making a huge salary.

You know how I know you're lying?


"Huge" is relative.

I remember getting £50 one Christmas when I was 10 and thinking I could retire.
 
2012-03-20 09:42:28 AM

Bungles: Confabulat: BillCo: No, I'm at work making a huge salary.

You know how I know you're lying?

"Huge" is relative.

I remember getting £50 one Christmas when I was 10 and thinking I could retire.


i remember when i started working in the mid 90s that if i could just bring home 2000 a month after taxes i'd be SET. lol.
 
2012-03-20 09:45:14 AM

rudemix: Where is the Malia Vacation Derp thread?


The Mods that Be decided again to remove an approved thread and take it back to TF land.

Us non TFers are second class citizens, I tell you!
 
2012-03-20 09:45:51 AM

CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim because anything other than bootstraps is morally objectionable


FTFM
 
2012-03-20 09:47:50 AM

heinekenftw: The Mods that Be decided again to remove an approved thread and take it back to TF land.

Us non TFers are second class citizens, I tell you!


Honestly I'm surprised it doesn't happen more. You know, to give us plebes a look behind the curtain before slamming the door in our face.
 
2012-03-20 09:50:21 AM
Jeezus, guys. Get on the f*cking ball.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-20 09:50:35 AM

Chimperror2: So you're voting Republican in the next election?


That's right, I'm voting for Obama.

After the last four years, it will be a cold day in hell before I give my vote to anyone with an (R) after their name again, though.

The GOP has made it abundantly clear they don't give a shiat about folks like my family and I, so I see no reason to support anyone who identifies with the deranged collection of plutocrats, sociopaths and religious fascists the GOP has become.
 
2012-03-20 09:51:35 AM

theknuckler_33: I didn't say that. I just think it is a tad unfair to acknowledge that today's retirees were paying into a system to give benefits to people who never contributed at all. It could be argued that they got screwed even worse than today's workers


Those programs are becoming a money sink on the backs of all that extraordinarily expensive end of life spending that was not available to the people who were around before the great society.
 
2012-03-20 09:53:33 AM

thamike: Jeezus, guys. Get on the f*cking ball.

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THANK YOU. I swear, some days I dont even recognize Fark anymore.
 
2012-03-20 09:54:22 AM
What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

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