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(Fox News)   Elle MacPherson explains why she's an Obama supporter: "I'm socialist, what do you expect?"   (nation.foxnews.com) divider line 230
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2012-03-20 03:27:24 AM  
Would make sense if Obama was in any way a socialist, instead of what he is, a blue-dog democrat.
 
2012-03-20 06:58:21 AM  
Funny how the republicans support more socialist policies than the democrats.
 
2012-03-20 07:51:58 AM  

Sgygus: Would make sense if Obama was in any way a socialist, instead of what he is, a blue-dog democrat moderate Republican.


I don't dislike the guy, but let's face reality here. Strip away his background and look at his policies, and you have a mild conservative. The fact that anyone sees him as progressive just gores to show how far into crazy the GOP has gone.
 
2012-03-20 08:13:28 AM  
so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?
 
2012-03-20 08:17:19 AM  
YOU'RE NOT HELPING!
 
2012-03-20 08:18:23 AM  
Oh FFS.
 
2012-03-20 08:22:50 AM  

FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?


socialist?

/i always sucked at these
 
2012-03-20 08:34:04 AM  
It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.
 
2012-03-20 08:36:13 AM  
I'd socialize with her:

www.mindbodygreen.com
 
2012-03-20 08:37:47 AM  

FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?


The libtard definition of a racist:

Average American: "I don't completely agree with some of the president's policies"

Libtards: "You're a racist!"
 
2012-03-20 08:39:42 AM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


You left out the FEMA camps. What about the FEMA camps?
 
2012-03-20 08:40:44 AM  

Walker: YOU'RE NOT HELPING!


You don't win by running away from the epithets hurled at you -- you win by owning them and defining them on your own terms.
 
2012-03-20 08:41:00 AM  

BillCo: Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


He's trying to forget that he had to settle for a plan that was created by republicans and actually implemented in one state by a republican, instead of giving us a truly socialist single-payer system.
 
2012-03-20 08:44:12 AM  

BillCo: FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?

The libtard definition of a racist:

Average

American: "I don't completely agree with some of the president's policies" Southern Republican: The "President" is a foreign-born socialist Muslim

Libtards: "You're a racist!"

Keep f*cking that chicken, Billy
 
2012-03-20 08:44:14 AM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


you mean that compromise that ended up miles to the right of where he originally planned it? so far so that it mirrors the plan implemented by the presumptive republican nominee?
 
2012-03-20 08:52:44 AM  
I'm a socialist and I think that Obama is far too conservative for my interests.
 
2012-03-20 08:53:58 AM  
You mean a socialist favors the guy who isn't part of the nutbag fascist theocrat party? I'm shocked.
 
2012-03-20 08:54:13 AM  
So this means Sarah Palin is President?
 
2012-03-20 08:55:15 AM  
and you're irrelevant! and you're irrelevant! and you're irrelevant!
 
2012-03-20 08:55:29 AM  
It's easy to be a socialist when you wipe your ass with hundreds.
 
2012-03-20 08:55:49 AM  

rebelyell2006: I'm a socialist left of center and I think that Obama is far too conservative for my interests.


FTFM
 
2012-03-20 08:56:16 AM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


Do tell.
 
2012-03-20 08:57:58 AM  

Confabulat: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

You left out the FEMA camps. What about the FEMA camps?


Don't forget Obama's private army (new window)!!!
 
2012-03-20 08:57:58 AM  
I think it's funny how Fox News thinks "socialist" is a dirty word. It's not. In fact, we need more Socialist politicians in the US. We have Bernie Sanders, and that's about it.

That said, Obama is not a socialist. Not even close. Though if you're a socialist voter, I can certainly see why you'd support the Obama before any of the Republican candidates.
 
2012-03-20 08:58:20 AM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare.


... which has conservative origins.
 
2012-03-20 08:59:04 AM  
100% of pretty dimwits agree: Obama is something we don't understand and therefore hate (according to Fox).
 
2012-03-20 08:59:17 AM  

Doc Daneeka: In fact, we need more Socialist politicians in the US.


Yep.
 
2012-03-20 08:59:34 AM  

Crewmannumber6: It's easy to be a socialist when you wipe your ass with hundreds.


Romney's a socialist?
 
2012-03-20 09:00:05 AM  

BillCo: Obamacare


uh, Romneycare is your front runner.
 
2012-03-20 09:00:24 AM  

Doc Daneeka: That said, Obama is not a socialist. Not even close. Though if you're a socialist voter, I can certainly see why you'd support the Obama before any of the Republican candidates.


Yeah, pretty much this. Half a loaf is better than being kicked in the balls repeatedly.
 
2012-03-20 09:02:11 AM  
I'm not clicking on Fox, but I'd assume they only invited her on to ogle her.
 
2012-03-20 09:02:26 AM  

theknuckler_33: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

Do tell.


What the hell!! You want him to say MORE!?
 
2012-03-20 09:02:53 AM  

FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?


Don't forget the millions of bigots, chauvinists, idiots, and plutocrats.
 
2012-03-20 09:03:23 AM  
Enact right wing healthcare plan - get called a socialist.
 
2012-03-20 09:04:03 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Walker: YOU'RE NOT HELPING!

You don't win by running away from the epithets hurled at you -- you win by owning them and defining them on your own terms.


Yeah, try to explain that to most of America.
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Perceptions win elections. If people hear over and over "Obama is a socialist" they start to believe it.
"Well I heard it on that there news Ethel, so it must be true!"

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2012-03-20 09:05:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Enact right wing healthcare plan - get called a socialist.


You can't explain that!
 
2012-03-20 09:05:42 AM  
Quite honestly, if her choice is between Obama and whoever the GOP candidate is, it is logical that she, as a socialist, would favor Obama.

This doesn't imply that Obama is a socialist, just that he's closer to a socialists views than the GOP, which is obvious..

But yeah, Fox is probably trying to imply that a socialist [hearts] Obama, therefore Obama=Socialist with this pointless story.
 
2012-03-20 09:07:56 AM  
Wait, if she's a socialist, isn't she supposed to be sharing the "wealth"? I mean, you know, from those who have to those who need.
 
2012-03-20 09:08:49 AM  

Walker: DarnoKonrad: Walker: YOU'RE NOT HELPING!

You don't win by running away from the epithets hurled at you -- you win by owning them and defining them on your own terms.

Yeah, try to explain that to most of America.
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Perceptions win elections. If people hear over and over "Obama is a socialist" they start to believe it.
"Well I heard it on that there news Ethel, so it must be true!"

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Those people are going to believe whatever they want to believe -- the only question is if people are willing to let them define the language of the debate -- they demonize the word "liberal," they demonize the word "progressive," the demonize the word "socialist. . ."

They don't care what you call yourself, they'll demonize it.
 
2012-03-20 09:09:30 AM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


Hehehehe. That's kind of funny.

/ Well, not really. Suddenly I'm sorry for your parents.
 
2012-03-20 09:10:00 AM  
I know one model who's a "socialist" but doesn't know what socialism is. Care to guess who?
 
2012-03-20 09:10:04 AM  
She is an Aussie. Why are we hearing her opinion?

//Oh, because she is hot. Now I get it. Sex sells.
 
2012-03-20 09:10:50 AM  
Socialism is certainly a more advanced social organization than capitalism. Unfortunately, Obama is about as much of a socialist as he is a muslin
 
2012-03-20 09:10:51 AM  

scarmig: Wait, if she's a socialist, isn't she supposed to be sharing the "wealth"? I mean, you know, from those who have to those who need.


Are you suggesting she doesn't pay her taxes?
 
2012-03-20 09:10:59 AM  

scarmig: Wait, if she's a socialist, isn't she supposed to be sharing the "wealth"?


no she thinks the means of production and distribution should be owned or usually heavily regulated by the government. You seem to be confusing socialism with charity or something.
 
2012-03-20 09:11:04 AM  

ginandbacon: I don't dislike the guy, but let's face reality here. Strip away his background and look at his policies, and you have a mild conservative. The fact that anyone sees him as progressive just gores to show how far into crazy the GOP has gone.


Yup. I wish with all my heart he really were a liberal socialist. He's lightyears ahead of the cavemen in the GOP, and he's a good man, but he's not a liberal. I wish he were.
 
2012-03-20 09:11:21 AM  

monoski: She is an Aussie. Why are we hearing her opinion?

//Oh, because she is hot. Now I get it. Sex sells.


Same reason the Fox Business Channel has business interviews with Hooters girls..
 
2012-03-20 09:11:35 AM  
Why the fark do the lot of you reply to the threadshiatter?
 
2012-03-20 09:13:00 AM  

Doc Daneeka: I think it's funny how Fox News thinks "socialist" is a dirty word. It's not. In fact, we need more Socialist politicians in the US. We have Bernie Sanders, and that's about it.

That said, Obama is not a socialist. Not even close. Though if you're a socialist voter, I can certainly see why you'd support the Obama before any of the Republican candidates.


Aaaaaand...welcome to my Favorites list.
 
2012-03-20 09:14:28 AM  

scarmig: Wait, if she's a socialist, isn't she supposed to be sharing the "wealth"? I mean, you know, from those who have to those who need.


I guess you could make that claim... if you didn't mistake personal charity for socialist economic policy. In any case, I'm always wary of anyone who claims they're a socialist while maintaining a straight face. Pure socialism is about as disastrous as pure capitalism. I often tell people I'm a dirty red Canadian socialist, but really what I support is a free market system that's tempered by a strong government that embraces socialist principles where it makes sense. This way people are freest to rise to the level of their ability and make money commensurate with that level of talent/expertise/hard work.
 
2012-03-20 09:16:57 AM  
Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.
 
2012-03-20 09:16:59 AM  

Thats No Moose: Why the fark do the lot of you reply to the threadshiatter?


I guess because any serious conservative already has a decent presidential candidate... in Obama. If you're anywhere to the left of Generalissimo Francisco Franco there isn't a single candidate in the Republican field that's worth anything.
 
2012-03-20 09:17:01 AM  

ginandbacon: Sgygus: Would make sense if Obama was in any way a socialist, instead of what he is, a blue-dog democrat moderate Republican.

I don't dislike the guy, but let's face reality here. Strip away his background and look at his policies, and you have a mild conservative. The fact that anyone sees him as progressive just gores to show how far into crazy the GOP has gone.


On some issues I think you're right. On other issues he's more progressive, such as alternative energy. I think part of it is that he's been holding back on some issues in order to get reelected. It would be nice if he were a flaming liberal, but in all honesty that's not going to help him keep the White House. I still think/hope that after he's reelected he'll push for far more progressive policies, especially on same-sex marriage and energy and possibly labor and environmental protection. I still think he'll be fairly conservative on matters of foreign policy, but perhaps even less supportive of Israel than he is now.
 
2012-03-20 09:18:14 AM  

Mercutio74: scarmig: Wait, if she's a socialist, isn't she supposed to be sharing the "wealth"? I mean, you know, from those who have to those who need.

I guess you could make that claim... if you didn't mistake personal charity for socialist economic policy. In any case, I'm always wary of anyone who claims they're a socialist while maintaining a straight face. Pure socialism is about as disastrous as pure capitalism. I often tell people I'm a dirty red Canadian socialist, but really what I support is a free market system that's tempered by a strong government that embraces socialist principles where it makes sense. This way people are freest to rise to the level of their ability and make money commensurate with that level of talent/expertise/hard work.


Who gets decide where socialist principles make sense?
 
2012-03-20 09:19:16 AM  

Thats No Moose: Why the fark do the lot of you reply to the threadshiatter?


Right on brother. GAT_00 is a complete tool.
 
2012-03-20 09:19:37 AM  

theknuckler_33: Confabulat: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

You left out the FEMA camps. What about the FEMA camps?

Don't forget Obama's private army (new window)!!!


I've thought about just recycling that and a bunch of other crap I got Fwd'd 4 years ago. Just sending it right back to the people who sent it. You know how when a dog poops on the carpet you fuss and put his face near it so he knows that the poop, right there, is why you're upset? Like that. Only I think my step-dad's smart enough to not need me to grab him by the scruff of the neck and act all disappointed.
 
2012-03-20 09:19:52 AM  

Lipo: I still think he'll be fairly conservative on matters of foreign policy, but perhaps even less supportive of Israel than he is now.


Perhaps. He definitely won't need AIPAC money after this election.
 
2012-03-20 09:20:40 AM  

CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.


There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.
 
2012-03-20 09:21:00 AM  
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2012-03-20 09:21:26 AM  
gets TO decide
 
2012-03-20 09:23:27 AM  

theknuckler_33: CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.

There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.


Many people under 50 believe they are paying into those social services only to see them privatized and the cost burden to be shifted to user fees and co-pays.
 
2012-03-20 09:24:21 AM  

theknuckler_33: CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.

There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.


However, if, in order to protect those benefits, these people soak the next generation of recipients, then we can all call them cat-farkers. To their faces. Can we agree on that?

/When they even talk about voting based on that idea... the whole 'privatize SS/medicare' crap I get a little upset.
 
2012-03-20 09:25:44 AM  
The current Tory-led government in the UK is currently considered to be acting in a manner to the right of Thatcher.

Obama is to the demonstrably right of the Tories.

Given that Thatcher pushed Reagan to the right in his thinking..... you know, we can construct a logic flow diagram here....
 
2012-03-20 09:26:37 AM  

DKinMN: Who gets decide where socialist principles make sense?


Generally, it's the people through the election process. Although more and more, it's corporations who buy legislation.

Personally, as a general rule, I would say that socialism is best used when a free market solution would break down. For example, health care has inelastic demand. Ask someone if they'd give up everything they own so that they could not die today... or ask a parent if they'd forever screw themselves financially to cure their kid's cancer. If a treatment is $10,000 or a million, it doesn't make a difference... most parents would give away everything just for the chance to save their kid. It makes sense to socialize medical funding.

Another place where it makes sense to socialize is when something is necessary to participate in a society. It doesn't make sense to have a private fire department because if your neighbour doesn't engage a fire company and his house catches on fire, yours might end up burning even though you do have a contract with a fire department. It wouldn't make financial sense for them to put our your neighbour's fire, they'd have to wait until yours began to burn.
 
2012-03-20 09:27:31 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Keep f*cking that chicken, Billy


i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.
 
2012-03-20 09:28:03 AM  

Bungles: The current Tory-led government in the UK is currently considered to be acting in a manner to the right of Thatcher.

Obama is to the demonstrably right of the Tories.

Given that Thatcher pushed Reagan to the right in his thinking..... you know, we can construct a logic flow diagram here....


A logic diagram from made up bullshiat. Interesting concept.
 
2012-03-20 09:28:40 AM  
Where is the Malia Vacation Derp thread?
 
2012-03-20 09:28:48 AM  

theknuckler_33: There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.


.... and most people's pay-in is gone within weeks, if not months of their starting to pay in. None of these programs can be seen as 'account holder' programs, and that's a GOOD thing. Why? Because if it was, then the accounts of the DEAD become the income of the 'big government'.

It is a direct transfer payment program - and again, this is a GOOD thing. The Younger generation has pledged that it will voluntarily set aside some of its income for the care and feeding of their elders, out of both respect and honor.

Why is a direct transfer program better than an account-holder or even a defined benefit program? Because If the burder becomes too heavy, the younger generation CAN and SHOULD reflect this, and the older generation - now much richer than any before it - should be okay with that.

It used to be that getting old meant becoming very very poor and a burden on your children - if you could manage that. It meant getting what 'free' care your family's doctor could scrape together - probably no hospital treatments or expensive boner pills or heart stents.

The quality of life for the elderly - in purely economic terms - is miles ahead of what their parents and grandparents and earlier ancestors got.

And that's a GOOD thing. Social darwinism is something nobody deserves.
 
2012-03-20 09:29:02 AM  

BillCo: FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?

The libtard definition of a racist:

Average American: "I don't completely agree with some of the president's policies"

Libtards: "You're a racist!"



Since when have you ever said anything as calm and rational about Obama as "I don't completely agree with some of the president's policies?" What you lot usually say is "FARTBONGO, NARF!" Throw out whatever legit critique of Obama's policies, not the man himself, and you'll get a response that doesn't involve "you're a racist." But you won't because that would be proof of how full crap you are.

And a little FYI here; I grew up Republican. I know what the dog whistles sound like, I was trained to hear them just like you. So don't lie to me like you do yourself. I ain't buying it.
 
2012-03-20 09:30:23 AM  

FlashHarry: i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.


I think it would be awesome to see the 'most ignored' list. Like, of the posters in the last 60 days, who is posting most fruitlessly?

/doesn't expect many people to see this.
 
2012-03-20 09:30:44 AM  

FlashHarry: Lionel Mandrake: Keep f*cking that chicken, Billy

i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.


No, I'm at work making a huge salary. I don't comment much because I have this thing called "work" to do. You should try it sometime.

Why do you have "most farkers" on ignore? Are you afraid of opinions that differ from your own?

Ignore is for pussies.
 
2012-03-20 09:30:44 AM  

Petit_Merdeux: BillCo: Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

He's trying to forget that he had to settle for a plan that was created by republicans and actually implemented in one state by a republican, instead of giving us a truly socialist single-payer system.


You are simply not a smart person.
 
2012-03-20 09:30:53 AM  
Obama, not a socialist, but #1 with socialists.
 
2012-03-20 09:32:27 AM  
Because Socialists believe everyone should be a millionaire super model.
 
2012-03-20 09:32:33 AM  

Headso: Many people under 50 believe they are paying into those social services only to see them privatized and the cost burden to be shifted to user fees and co-pays.


BeesNuts: /When they even talk about voting based on that idea... the whole 'privatize SS/medicare' crap I get a little upset.


I don't disagree at all. Doesn't make what I said untrue.
 
2012-03-20 09:32:54 AM  

rudemix: Where is the Malia Vacation Derp thread?


Looks like it's gone, as I expected it would eventually, considering the subject matter.
 
2012-03-20 09:34:26 AM  

BillCo: Bungles: The current Tory-led government in the UK is currently considered to be acting in a manner to the right of Thatcher.

Obama is to the demonstrably right of the Tories.

Given that Thatcher pushed Reagan to the right in his thinking..... you know, we can construct a logic flow diagram here....

A logic diagram from made up bullshiat. Interesting concept.




I'm surprised you even know who Thatcher and Reagan were. Or where the UK is.
 
2012-03-20 09:34:57 AM  

beta_plus: Obama, not a socialist, but #1 with socialists.


That's pretty accurate. Could you imagine a socialist voting GOP? Essentially in the US, you guys have a right wing party and a far right party. Not a lot of choice if you're politically moderate or a leftist.
 
2012-03-20 09:34:57 AM  

theknuckler_33: CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.

There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.


and certainly, the people receiving benefits paid in dollar-for-dollar the amount they're getting out of it. it really was more of a savings account.
 
2012-03-20 09:35:09 AM  

MyRandomName: Petit_Merdeux: BillCo: Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

He's trying to forget that he had to settle for a plan that was created by republicans and actually implemented in one state by a republican, instead of giving us a truly socialist single-payer system.

You are simply not a smart person.


i480.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-20 09:35:30 AM  

rubi_con_man: None of these programs can be seen as 'account holder' programs


I wasn't suggesting that it was.
 
2012-03-20 09:35:37 AM  
Elle's mons pubis needs some of my socialism.
 
2012-03-20 09:37:02 AM  
So?

Can we stop using the word as a pejorative?

It's an economic system just like Capitalism. Neither is "evil". Neither is good for societies in it's pure form, but when used in a mixed economy, it's probably the best system we've come up with as humans.

...and, yeah, Obama is not a Socialist. He's essentially a moderate Republican. Too bad the GOP is so far off in right field that moderate positions seem like "far left" positions to them.
 
2012-03-20 09:37:43 AM  

BillCo: FlashHarry: Lionel Mandrake: Keep f*cking that chicken, Billy

i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.

No, I'm at work making a huge salary. I don't comment much because I have this thing called "work" to do. You should try it sometime.

Why do you have "most farkers" on ignore? Are you afraid of opinions that differ from your own?

Ignore is for pussies.


I'm guessing his employer is nepotism.
 
2012-03-20 09:38:33 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Elle's mons pubis needs some of my socialism.


So like the GOP's stance on birth control, you wish to control the "means of her production"?
 
2012-03-20 09:38:36 AM  

CapnBlues: theknuckler_33: CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim.

There are very few, if any, people alive today receiving benefits from social security or medicare that did not pay into those systems their entire lives.

and certainly, the people receiving benefits paid in dollar-for-dollar the amount they're getting out of it. it really was more of a savings account.


I didn't say that. I just think it is a tad unfair to acknowledge that today's retirees were paying into a system to give benefits to people who never contributed at all. It could be argued that they got screwed even worse than today's workers(*).

(*) This statement is null and void if the whole things disappears in 20 years and we get nothing.
 
2012-03-20 09:38:57 AM  

BillCo: No, I'm at work making a huge salary.


You know how I know you're lying?
 
2012-03-20 09:39:25 AM  

theknuckler_33: I didn't say that. I just think it is a tad unfair not to acknowledge that today's retirees were paying into a system to give benefits to people who never contributed at all. It could be argued that they got screwed even worse than today's workers(*).

(*) This statement is null and void if the whole things disappears in 20 years and we get nothing.


/FTFM
 
2012-03-20 09:40:03 AM  

keylock71: So?

Can we stop using the word as a pejorative?

It's an economic system just like Capitalism. Neither is "evil". Neither is good for societies in it's pure form, but when used in a mixed economy, it's probably the best system we've come up with as humans.

...and, yeah, Obama is not a Socialist. He's essentially a moderate Republican. Too bad the GOP is so far off in right field that moderate positions seem like "far left" positions to them.


So you're voting Republican in the next election?
 
2012-03-20 09:40:38 AM  

rubi_con_man: ignored


these are the people on mine: Darconix Gato Negro Phil Herup

they were all as i recall just the epitome of the right wing troll who never responded to anything written in response to their outrageous posts, but just kept making more.

Mercutio74: DKinMN: Who gets decide where socialist principles make sense?

Generally, it's the people through the election process. Although more and more, it's corporations who buy legislation.

Personally, as a general rule, I would say that socialism is best used when a free market solution would break down. For example, health care has inelastic demand. Ask someone if they'd give up everything they own so that they could not die today... or ask a parent if they'd forever screw themselves financially to cure their kid's cancer. If a treatment is $10,000 or a million, it doesn't make a difference... most parents would give away everything just for the chance to save their kid. It makes sense to socialize medical funding.

Another place where it makes sense to socialize is when something is necessary to participate in a society. It doesn't make sense to have a private fire department because if your neighbour doesn't engage a fire company and his house catches on fire, yours might end up burning even though you do have a contract with a fire department. It wouldn't make financial sense for them to put our your neighbour's fire, they'd have to wait until yours began to burn.


stop making so much damn sense. this is fark ffs.
 
2012-03-20 09:40:41 AM  

Confabulat: BillCo: No, I'm at work making a huge salary.

You know how I know you're lying?


"Huge" is relative.

I remember getting £50 one Christmas when I was 10 and thinking I could retire.
 
2012-03-20 09:42:28 AM  

Bungles: Confabulat: BillCo: No, I'm at work making a huge salary.

You know how I know you're lying?

"Huge" is relative.

I remember getting £50 one Christmas when I was 10 and thinking I could retire.


i remember when i started working in the mid 90s that if i could just bring home 2000 a month after taxes i'd be SET. lol.
 
2012-03-20 09:45:14 AM  

rudemix: Where is the Malia Vacation Derp thread?


The Mods that Be decided again to remove an approved thread and take it back to TF land.

Us non TFers are second class citizens, I tell you!
 
2012-03-20 09:45:51 AM  

CapnBlues: Socialism for old people, social darwinism for everyone else. That's how it works. They take money from the people who work, give it to the retired people in the form of social security checks and medicare, and then they tell everyone else to sink or swim because anything other than bootstraps is morally objectionable


FTFM
 
2012-03-20 09:47:50 AM  

heinekenftw: The Mods that Be decided again to remove an approved thread and take it back to TF land.

Us non TFers are second class citizens, I tell you!


Honestly I'm surprised it doesn't happen more. You know, to give us plebes a look behind the curtain before slamming the door in our face.
 
2012-03-20 09:50:21 AM  
Jeezus, guys. Get on the f*cking ball.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-20 09:50:35 AM  

Chimperror2: So you're voting Republican in the next election?


That's right, I'm voting for Obama.

After the last four years, it will be a cold day in hell before I give my vote to anyone with an (R) after their name again, though.

The GOP has made it abundantly clear they don't give a shiat about folks like my family and I, so I see no reason to support anyone who identifies with the deranged collection of plutocrats, sociopaths and religious fascists the GOP has become.
 
2012-03-20 09:51:35 AM  

theknuckler_33: I didn't say that. I just think it is a tad unfair to acknowledge that today's retirees were paying into a system to give benefits to people who never contributed at all. It could be argued that they got screwed even worse than today's workers


Those programs are becoming a money sink on the backs of all that extraordinarily expensive end of life spending that was not available to the people who were around before the great society.
 
2012-03-20 09:53:33 AM  

thamike: Jeezus, guys. Get on the f*cking ball.

[img.photobucket.com image 550x733]


THANK YOU. I swear, some days I dont even recognize Fark anymore.
 
2012-03-20 09:54:22 AM  
What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

cloud.frontpagemag.com
 
2012-03-20 09:54:43 AM  

thamike: Jeezus, guys. Get on the f*cking ball.

[img.photobucket.com image 550x733]


there's somethin weird going on with her stomach. it's all.... flat.
 
2012-03-20 09:56:48 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: thamike: Jeezus, guys. Get on the f*cking ball.

[img.photobucket.com image 550x733]

THANK YOU. I swear, some days I dont even recognize Fark anymore.


ok..ok...

www.auto-types.com

seems like a car a socialist would drive...
 
2012-03-20 09:56:54 AM  

beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]


you have failed to ever come up with new material, the connection of your comments to the topic at hand is tangential at best, and what you do post is absent any kind of humor or humanity. you are like a hate-bot. if your goal is to just be hated, you are succeeding. If your goal is to amuse or do some kind of performance art, you are failing utterly.
 
2012-03-20 09:58:54 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: thamike: Jeezus, guys. Get on the f*cking ball.

[img.photobucket.com image 550x733]

THANK YOU. I swear, some days I dont even recognize Fark anymore.


I think in the early days of Fark, every 4th link or so was to something hideous, and the thread was full of eye bleach references.
 
2012-03-20 10:00:20 AM  

beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]


historically speaking, tho, antisemites have tended to be more conservative. see, hitler, adolf.
 
2012-03-20 10:02:06 AM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


It's a shame that your hatred of our President blinds you to, well *reality*.

You seem to have fallen for the "pick up the goalposts and move 'em 20 yards to the Right - once a week" that our Conservative elected officials have managed to pull off. Gratz on a successful strategy.

\there's a reason I have you fav'd as "Thinks calling Obama 'messiah' is cool"
\\'s 'cause you're a __________
 
2012-03-20 10:04:32 AM  

beta_plus: Obama, not a socialist, but #1 with socialists.


Not even in the top 10 with socialists. This guy however.

www.commondreams.org
 
2012-03-20 10:06:28 AM  

Lurking Fear: Funny how the republicans support more socialist policies than the democrats.


Republicans support whatever their Owner's on TV (and their favorite chruch) tell them to support. they're incapable of independent thought and reason. the only thing that matters to them is "belief"
 
2012-03-20 10:08:58 AM  
This is quite a disappointing showing by the trolls in a troll thread today.

I expected better from you guys.
 
2012-03-20 10:09:41 AM  

Father_Jack: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

historically speaking, tho, antisemites have tended to be more conservative. see, hitler, adolf.


They'll call him a socialist (hell, Nazi is short for 'nacional socialist' for short, even if he was opposed to the dirty commies in Germany) for the sake of the argument.
 
2012-03-20 10:14:34 AM  

Father_Jack: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

historically speaking, tho, antisemites have tended to be more conservative. see, hitler, adolf.


Hitler was in no sense conservative:
- He was a vegitarian
- Nazis and the nazi youth movement were originally envornmental pressure groups
- Anti-semitic, like todays liberals
- Believed in large government and promised it would liberate the people (it never does)
- Hated free markets and money lending
- His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism - exactly like the guy in the picture.
 
2012-03-20 10:14:56 AM  

BillCo: No, I'm at work making a huge salary. I don't comment much because I have this thing called "work" to do. You should try it sometime.


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LIBERAL WITH A JOB! *chug*
 
2012-03-20 10:17:31 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: He was a vegitarian


This just cracks me up so much. The fact that you think you're making some sort of intelligent point. I mean, just wow. The squirrels outside in my yard are so outthinking you right this second.
 
2012-03-20 10:18:48 AM  

CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist


THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism


*swish*
 
2012-03-20 10:19:27 AM  

CygnusDarius: Father_Jack: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

historically speaking, tho, antisemites have tended to be more conservative. see, hitler, adolf.

They'll call him a socialist (hell, Nazi is short for 'nacional socialist' for short, even if he was opposed to the dirty commies in Germany) for the sake of the argument.


That Nzis were opposed to commies means nothing. In Russia, the Bolsheviks were against the Mensheiks and bot groups were communist. By your logic that means communism is the opposite of communism, a paradox.

The reality is that evil totalitarian leftism comes in factions which compete.

We can see this today in the feud between islamophiles and feminists about the status of women. Both groups are extremist leftists with power-seeking agendas, but the don't agree with each other (except when it is beneficial to give that appearence, see Al Tackqiya)
 
2012-03-20 10:19:55 AM  
When you people would rather quibble about socializmus than post pictures of ELLE FARKING MACPHERSON, I know at lest half of you are gay paid trolls.
 
2012-03-20 10:21:04 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-20 10:22:53 AM  

qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*


So... you predicted that somebody might point out a true fact that is inconvenient to your political agenda, and you think a "got there first" trick can sort-of cancel it out?

All you've done is remind us all that it is a sore point for crypto-leftist revisionists and it needs to be said loudly and clearly and probably more often.

Well done.
 
2012-03-20 10:25:06 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: crypto-leftist revisionists


lolwut?
 
2012-03-20 10:25:11 AM  
it's not surprising that the far-left lunatic fringe can't get enough socialism.
 
2012-03-20 10:25:11 AM  
Any American who thinks or claims he or she is a "liberal" is actually a NEOliberal.

/Look it up, morans.
 
2012-03-20 10:27:23 AM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.
 
2012-03-20 10:28:26 AM  

qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*


Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!
 
2012-03-20 10:28:46 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Any American who thinks or claims he or she is a "liberal" is actually a NEOliberal.

/Look it up, morans.


The Americans who think or claim that they're "conservatives" are a lot closer to neoliberals. The major tenets of neoliberalism are privatization and deregulation, two things that self-identified American liberals vehemently oppose and self-identified American conservatives loudly support.
 
2012-03-20 10:29:56 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism - exactly like the guy in the picture.


Using that logic North Korea is a democracy because it has Democratic and Republic in its name.
 
2012-03-20 10:34:24 AM  

qorkfiend: HotIgneous Intruder: Any American who thinks or claims he or she is a "liberal" is actually a NEOliberal.

/Look it up, morans.

The Americans who think or claim that they're "conservatives" are a lot closer to neoliberals. The major tenets of neoliberalism are privatization and deregulation, two things that self-identified American liberals vehemently oppose and self-identified American conservatives loudly support.


That's why Obama is a neoliberal. He's fooled self-identifying liberals into thinking he's a liberal, but he's measurably governing to the right of Richard Nixon. Neoliberal effectively means Chicago School economics. It amazes me how many Americans have no idea wrong they are about their political identifications.

/We are a doomed people.
//Nation of axe murderers who see themselves as friendly, helpful clowns.
 
2012-03-20 10:34:30 AM  

theknuckler_33: Headso: Many people under 50 believe they are paying into those social services only to see them privatized and the cost burden to be shifted to user fees and co-pays.

BeesNuts: /When they even talk about voting based on that idea... the whole 'privatize SS/medicare' crap I get a little upset.

I don't disagree at all. Doesn't make what I said untrue.


It doesn't. But it does provide some context about why people might be a little antsy in their pantsy about the topic. And it explains the general animosity and apprehension that younger generations have towards the older, again, about this topic. Yup, they paid in and they *deserve* those systems. And I'm paying in now, and would very much like them to be there when I'm an old decrepit fart. As individuals, I sincerely doubt they are thinking "I don't want my grandkids to have SS." But as a group, they basically voted for that. For a decade. And will probably continue to do so until they are dead. And that annoys me.
 
2012-03-20 10:35:45 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]


Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.
 
2012-03-20 10:36:18 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Father_Jack: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

historically speaking, tho, antisemites have tended to be more conservative. see, hitler, adolf.

Hitler was in no sense conservative:
- He was a vegitarian
- Nazis and the nazi youth movement were originally envornmental pressure groups
- Anti-semitic, like todays liberals
- Believed in large government and promised it would liberate the people (it never does)
- Hated free markets and money lending
- His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism - exactly like the guy in the picture.


You forgot he was also a painter.

/Funny how that works
//"Ack... Can't get the trees... Damn it, I vill kill everyone in ze vorld"
 
2012-03-20 10:37:16 AM  

beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]


What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

img.wonkette.com

/we can do this all day.
 
2012-03-20 10:37:24 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!


The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.
 
2012-03-20 10:37:52 AM  

colon_pow: it's not surprising that the far-left lunatic fringe can't get enough socialism.


I agree since the US is possibly the least socialist of modern industrialized nations.
 
2012-03-20 10:38:23 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: HotIgneous Intruder: Any American who thinks or claims he or she is a "liberal" is actually a NEOliberal.

/Look it up, morans.

The Americans who think or claim that they're "conservatives" are a lot closer to neoliberals. The major tenets of neoliberalism are privatization and deregulation, two things that self-identified American liberals vehemently oppose and self-identified American conservatives loudly support.

That's why Obama is a neoliberal. He's fooled self-identifying liberals into thinking he's a liberal, but he's measurably governing to the right of Richard Nixon. Neoliberal effectively means Chicago School economics. It amazes me how many Americans have no idea wrong they are about their political identifications.

/We are a doomed people.
//Nation of axe murderers who see themselves as friendly, helpful clowns.


Well, governing to the right of Nixon is appropriate. Few Democrats today are in favor of price controls (like Nixon instituted), let alone Republicans.
 
2012-03-20 10:40:12 AM  

heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.


Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?
 
2012-03-20 10:40:47 AM  

Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.


You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.
 
2012-03-20 10:41:16 AM  
7chan.org

I am sure Bill would like to talk politics with her. I would!
 
2012-03-20 10:41:27 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?


Talk about missing the point.
 
2012-03-20 10:42:14 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.


Ooooh. You're good. I'm nicking that.
 
2012-03-20 10:42:15 AM  

Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?

Talk about missing the point.


I think he's trolling. Hard.
 
2012-03-20 10:43:04 AM  

Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?

Talk about missing the point.


You appear to be trying to change the subject away from the lies of liberals. Is that because talking about liberal lies is embarassing to you?
 
2012-03-20 10:43:53 AM  

mrshowrules: Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.

You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.


Of course I am judging him by American political standards, as opposed to European ones. I did say "moderare Republican".
 
2012-03-20 10:44:50 AM  

mrshowrules: Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.

You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.


Or if you'd judged him by political standards of the US 30 years ago, he'd be a moderate conservative.
 
2012-03-20 10:45:10 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?

Talk about missing the point.

You appear to be trying to change the subject away from the lies of liberals. Is that because talking about liberal lies is embarassing to you?


The point of posting that sign is that it's blatantly racist. Yes, it also calls the President a liar in a non-specific way, but that's missing the point. It's quite pathetic I have to point this out to you.
 
2012-03-20 10:45:14 AM  

Confabulat: BillCo: No, I'm at work making a huge salary.

You know how I know you're lying?


Because in one thread near the end he stepped out of character and admitted that he was intentionally a troll? And what can only be a complete coincidence, that was the one thread where the mods actually deleted his posts. He threadshiats in every thread, so I am shocked that the one thread that reveals that he pretends to troll was the same thread the mods decided to put their foot down. Quite shocking.
 
2012-03-20 10:45:56 AM  

CygnusDarius: Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?

Talk about missing the point.

I think he's trolling. Hard.


I'm certain he is.
 
2012-03-20 10:46:15 AM  
We're talking about the opinions of a bimbo who got massively wealthy owning her own brand and reaping profits through the capitalist system? How socialist is it for her to keep virtually all of her own profits and live a life of luxury while many around her are poor?

Anyone amazed at her galactic disconnect from reality and sheer idiocy of her thought process?
 
2012-03-20 10:49:10 AM  

rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.

You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.

Or if you'd judged him by political standards of the US 30 years ago, he'd be a moderate conservative.


That's the point. Obama is no liberal, even by 30-year-old standards.
He's a Chicago School black man, which makes him a darling for self-identified liberals who don't understand what "Chicago School" means.
 
2012-03-20 10:49:41 AM  

Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?

Talk about missing the point.

You appear to be trying to change the subject away from the lies of liberals. Is that because talking about liberal lies is embarassing to you?

The point of posting that sign is that it's blatantly racist. Yes, it also calls the President a liar in a non-specific way, but that's missing the point. It's quite pathetic I have to point this out to you.


Maybe whoever wrote the sign saw the coulour of his skin and assumed, wrongly, that he was from Africa. A perfectly innocent mistake that anyone could make.
 
2012-03-20 10:50:19 AM  
But the fact remains that no matter what you type here, you will never touch Elle MacPherson's ass.

/Suck on it, self-identified libs.
 
2012-03-20 10:50:48 AM  

BillCo: FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?

The libtard definition of a racist:

The Average Tea Bagger/Southern American Vehicle:

i.imgur.com

Rational Human Libtards: "You're a racist!"

 
2012-03-20 10:51:25 AM  

quoinguy: We're talking about the opinions of a bimbo who got massively wealthy owning her own brand and reaping profits through the capitalist system? How socialist is it for her to keep virtually all of her own profits and live a life of luxury while many around her are poor?

Anyone amazed at her galactic disconnect from reality and sheer idiocy of her thought process?


Only if you don't know what socialism is.
 
2012-03-20 10:51:53 AM  

quoinguy: We're talking about the opinions of a bimbo who got massively wealthy owning her own brand and reaping profits through the capitalist system? How socialist is it for her to keep virtually all of her own profits and live a life of luxury while many around her are poor?

Anyone amazed at her galactic disconnect from reality and sheer idiocy of her thought process?


So she's no different than, say, John Lennon.
 
2012-03-20 10:53:22 AM  

CygnusDarius: Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?

Talk about missing the point.

I think he's trolling. Hard.


Perhaps.

I think he's dead serious. Most Paultards are.
 
2012-03-20 10:53:35 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.


And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.
 
2012-03-20 10:57:39 AM  

quoinguy: We're talking about the opinions of a bimbo who got massively wealthy owning her own brand and reaping profits through the capitalist system? How socialist is it for her to keep virtually all of her own profits and live a life of luxury while many around her are poor?

Anyone amazed at her galactic disconnect from reality and sheer idiocy of her thought process?


Why is it that so many Americans can't tell the difference between charity and socialism?
 
2012-03-20 10:57:46 AM  

rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.

You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.

Or if you'd judged him by political standards of the US 30 years ago, he'd be a moderate conservative.


...on economic issues.

Like I said, every current mainstream politician is to the right of Nixon on economic issues.

And 30 years ago is a bad example. 32 years ago Reagan was elected. 31 years ago he broke the air traffic control union.

On social issues, Obama is to the left of Democrats 30 years ago. For example, while he doesn't support gay marriage, he does support civil unions and other gay rights, which would put him to the left of basically every member of Congress in 1982 (including Barney Frank, who hadn't come out of the closet yet).
 
2012-03-20 10:59:37 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.


From your profile:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
~Christopher Hitchens


I have given (admittedy brief) reasons for the claim that Naziism is left-wing and will be happy to elucidate. You have merely made an assertion without evidence.

It takes a real dummy to put a quote on his profile and then go against it in the threads.
 
2012-03-20 11:02:01 AM  
Some socialist.

Macpherson later diversified her portfolio of businesses, and in 1990 launched her lingerie collection 'Elle Macpherson Intimates' in partnership with Bendon Limited Apparel. Intimates met with remarkable international success, becoming the single best-selling lingerie line in both Great Britain[13] and Australia[14] Breaking the mould of many models, Macpherson took an active role in the development and management of the company, serving as Chief Marketing Officer and later Creative Director. While nursing her second child, she spearheaded the development of a signature maternity bra line.[15] Intimates has retained a high brand recognition into the 2000s, appearing as a featured brand on America's Next Top Model.

More recently,[when?] Macpherson created her own label of beauty products: "Elle Macpherson - The Body". She has launched or served as spokesmodel for campaigns by Boots,[16] Invisible Zinc,[17] and Hot Tuna.[18] The BBC-TV series The Money Programme aired a documentary which followed Macpherson through her day-to-day business as she continued to develop her international lingerie business. In March 2008, Macpherson signed a three-year spokesperson deal with Revlon cosmetics. She has since been featured in print and advertising campaigns for that company;[19] it has been announced by Macpherson herself that she would expand her underwear line by creating a new Lingerie Collection baptised 'Obsidion' which would be launched in Spring 2010.[20]

Macpherson has two sons with her former long-term boyfriend, French financier Arpad Busson, whom she never married. Her sons are Arpad Flynn Alexander Busson (born 14 February 1998), and Aurelius Cy Andrea Busson (born 4 February 2003). Macpherson and Busson began their romantic relationship in 1995, became engaged in August 2002, but called off the wedding in July 2005.[citation needed] Macpherson resides most of the time in Britain along with her two sons. She speaks fluent French and conversational Italian and Spanish.[15] Macpherson revealed to Howard Stern that she is a Socialist.[33] Miss Macpherson was in a two-year relationship with U.S. multi-millionaire Jeff Soffer, 43, but earlier this month it emerged they had separated. [2]
(new window)

Elle MacPherson was born in Australia and has an estimated net worth of $45 million dollars. (new window)

Worth $45 million, owns and operates successful international businesses, sleeps with multi-millionaire financiers. Yeah, that's some text-book socialism sh*t right there.

L'État comprime et la loi triche
L'impôt saigne le malheureux
Nul devoir ne s'impose au riche
Le droit du pauvre est un mot creux
C'est assez, languir en tutelle
L'égalité veut d'autres lois
Pas de droits sans devoirs dit-elle
Égaux, pas de devoirs sans droits
C'est la lutte finale
Groupons-nous, et demain
L'Internationale
Sera le genre humain


What next? Is she going to reveal that she's also a giraffe? Perhaps she thinks she's a sea turtle. Look at me! I'm a sea turtle! Hey, biotch: How about you shut the f*ck up?
 
2012-03-20 11:02:09 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.


And assuming that the Nazis are leftists (I know they are not) does not necessarily make leftism evil. So not only is he wrong, he's also committing a logical fallacy. Reducto Ad Hitlerum. Or perhaps better known as Association Fallacy.
 
2012-03-20 11:02:56 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: Geotpf: THE GREAT NAME: heinekenftw: beta_plus: What a typical, tolerant, liberal looks like:

[cloud.frontpagemag.com image 400x342]

What a typical, tolerant, conservative looks like:

[img.wonkette.com image 494x371]

/we can do this all day.

Is it intolerant to call a liberal a liar, when he lies?

Talk about missing the point.

You appear to be trying to change the subject away from the lies of liberals. Is that because talking about liberal lies is embarassing to you?

The point of posting that sign is that it's blatantly racist. Yes, it also calls the President a liar in a non-specific way, but that's missing the point. It's quite pathetic I have to point this out to you.

Maybe whoever wrote the sign saw the coulour of his skin and assumed, wrongly, that he was from Africa. A perfectly innocent mistake that anyone could make.


So hard to tell the difference between honest conservatives and trolls these days.
 
2012-03-20 11:03:20 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.


Does it hurt slamming your head into a brick wall that often?
 
2012-03-20 11:03:57 AM  

rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.

You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.

Or if you'd judged him by political standards of the US 30 years ago, he'd be a moderate conservative.


Fiscally, most certainly. However 30 years ago being in favour of gays in the military, gay marriage and endorsing a black man for President would have put you firmly in the Liberal camp.
 
2012-03-20 11:06:51 AM  

Flappyhead: THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.

Does it hurt slamming your head into a brick wall that often?


Is that how your head became flappy?
 
2012-03-20 11:07:39 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.

From your profile:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
~Christopher Hitchens

I have given (admittedy brief) reasons for the claim that Naziism is left-wing and will be happy to elucidate. You have merely made an assertion without evidence.

It takes a real dummy to put a quote on his profile and then go against it in the threads.


There's plenty of evidence. The truth is that they promised both left and right wing policies while campaigning, but stuck with the more right wing stuff when they achieved power.

Look, dude, the social history of fascism (esp. Nazism) was my major focus in grad school. I've read hundreds of books on the subject.

What have you read? Jonah Goldberg?
 
2012-03-20 11:08:06 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

His foreign policy positions are quite moderate, as is his stance on gay marriage, to name a couple examples. All and all, he is best described as a "mainstream Democrat". He is not the most liberal lib who ever libbed.

He is also not a "moderate Republican", like some lefties here claim.

You are judging him by current US political standards. Which is fine if that is the intent.

If you judged him by global political standards of the industrialized world he is most certainly a moderate conservative.

Or if you'd judged him by political standards of the US 30 years ago, he'd be a moderate conservative.

That's the point. Obama is no liberal, even by 30-year-old standards.
He's a Chicago School black man, which makes him a darling for self-identified liberals who don't understand what "Chicago School" means.


I concur. It seems that the people who call Obama 'socialist' are the type who never have, and never will own a passport in their lives, and whose idea of adventurous is dining at Olive Garden.
 
2012-03-20 11:08:10 AM  

mrshowrules: rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf:

Fiscally, most certainly. However 30 years ago being in favour of gays in the military, gay marriage and endorsing a black man for President would have put you firmly in the Liberal camp.


Please direct me to this Liberal Camp of which you speak.
I would like to visit. I've heard liberal girls are easy.
 
2012-03-20 11:10:57 AM  

canyoneer: Some socialist.

Macpherson later diversified her portfolio of businesses, and in 1990 launched her lingerie collection 'Elle Macpherson Intimates' in partnership with Bendon Limited Apparel. Intimates met with remarkable international success, becoming the single best-selling lingerie line in both Great Britain[13] and Australia[14] Breaking the mould of many models, Macpherson took an active role in the development and management of the company, serving as Chief Marketing Officer and later Creative Director. While nursing her second child, she spearheaded the development of a signature maternity bra line.[15] Intimates has retained a high brand recognition into the 2000s, appearing as a featured brand on America's Next Top Model.

More recently,[when?] Macpherson created her own label of beauty products: "Elle Macpherson - The Body". She has launched or served as spokesmodel for campaigns by Boots,[16] Invisible Zinc,[17] and Hot Tuna.[18] The BBC-TV series The Money Programme aired a documentary which followed Macpherson through her day-to-day business as she continued to develop her international lingerie business. In March 2008, Macpherson signed a three-year spokesperson deal with Revlon cosmetics. She has since been featured in print and advertising campaigns for that company;[19] it has been announced by Macpherson herself that she would expand her underwear line by creating a new Lingerie Collection baptised 'Obsidion' which would be launched in Spring 2010.[20]

Macpherson has two sons with her former long-term boyfriend, French financier Arpad Busson, whom she never married. Her sons are Arpad Flynn Alexander Busson (born 14 February 1998), and Aurelius Cy Andrea Busson (born 4 February 2003). Macpherson and Busson began their romantic relationship in 1995, became engaged in August 2002, but called off the wedding in July 2005.[citation needed] Macpherson resides most of the time in Britain along with her two sons. She speaks fluent French and conversatio ...


I dunno. "Socialism" and "Socialist" are very slippery terms. To a Republican, they mean anything left of Gingrich. On the other side of the spectrum, some self proclaimed socialists basically want communism without the brutality.

I can see a definition of "believing in free, government run health care and higher education, high taxes on the rich, and government control of heavy industry". Owning a clothing line would not be incompatible with this defintion.
 
2012-03-20 11:11:04 AM  
This is so depressing. A headline about Elle MacPherson joking about the Obamasocialgasm on the Howard Stern show, and it's a wall of Shills vs. Those Who Inexplicably Indulge Them, instead of a wall of Elle.
 
2012-03-20 11:13:03 AM  

Alphax: socialism



You're actually trying to say she's not spouting platitudes from the safety of being massively wealthy, doesn't own any property, and doesn't take every tax deduction possible? I know enough about socialism to know it's a very wide belief spectrum, from wanting to expand health care for everyone and call it a day, all the way to zero private ownership of land, buildings, and materials. She made the comment to sound hardcore, and that's the point I'm calling disingenuous.

When was the last time you heard of some jackwipe claiming they are a socialist and mailed in double or triple their tax assessment for the common social good? It doesn't happen.

Socialism has had a long history and many iterations. At every point in it's history it collapsed when it went too far because of government inefficiency and heavy taxation. It's a basic economic fact the spending multiplier of government money lags behind the spending multiplier of private money. The discussion should be how do we get the private sector to do what the government has no business doing.

That being said, we may be undertaxed right now. But before we raise taxes I want to see all spending cut by at least 20%--possibly more. And to completely change the system top to bottom. Bush's grant programs were just as wasteful as BO's--there's a severe lack of taking the importance of all our tax money seriously. To politicians it's just numbers on a spreadsheet. To all of us $500, $1,000, or $5,000 is real money that can change our lives.

$500 is that set of tires you need.
$1,000 is a major chunk of your property taxes.
$5,000 is a cheap used car, or the new roof you need.

To the government numbers like those are nothing, so they just piss them away every chance they get.
 
2012-03-20 11:14:13 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.

From your profile:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
~Christopher Hitchens

I have given (admittedy brief) reasons for the claim that Naziism is left-wing and will be happy to elucidate. You have merely made an assertion without evidence.

It takes a real dummy to put a quote on his profile and then go against it in the threads.

There's plenty of evidence. The truth is that they promised both left and right wing policies while campaigning, but stuck with the more right wing stuff when they achieved power.

Look, dude, the social history of fascism (esp. Nazism) was my major focus in grad school. I've read hundreds of books on the subject.

What have you read? Jonah Goldberg?


Probably the complete works of the John Birch Society too.
 
2012-03-20 11:16:13 AM  

thamike: This is so depressing. A headline about Elle MacPherson joking about the Obamasocialgasm on the Howard Stern show, and it's a wall of Shills vs. Those Who Inexplicably Indulge Them, instead of a wall of Elle.


Here ya go (new window)
 
2012-03-20 11:19:51 AM  

heinekenftw: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.

And assuming that the Nazis are leftists (I know they are not) does not necessarily make leftism evil. So not only is he wrong, he's also committing a logical fallacy. Reducto Ad Hitlerum. Or perhaps better known as Association Fallacy.


My friend, if I may call you that, you are making a mistake.

You see it is not just nazis (who really are on the left) who do atrocities and fark things up. It's every case of leftism allowed to go beyond a certain point. Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, and the European Union.

Leftism always goes wrong, every time. This is not fallacy of association. This is a systemic trend.

More disturbingly, since socialism operates by enlarging the state and centralising power in the hands of government "deciders", there must be a point of no return beyond which the people no longer have the ability to say "no, that's enough let's ease up now". All we know is that lots of powerful advanced nations went beyond that point in the 20th century and hundreds of millions of people died.

Maybe you think wise socialists would stop of their own accord. But they say things like, "as long as there is any weath inequality the battle is not won" or "we won't stop until every greedy person ahs been brought to justice" and although we accept this as polemic hyperbole today, the Milgram and Stanford prison experiements, as well as experience on the Internet, show that by saying such things repeatedly, leftists will gradually legitimise them and give authority to what are really totalitarian concepts.

What has happened before can happen again, and the revisionist way in which the left compartmentalise and sacredise Fascism in order to distance themselves from the horrors that follow from their own ideology is a shame on the whole of humanity.
 
2012-03-20 11:21:47 AM  

quoinguy: You're actually trying to say she's not spouting platitudes from the safety of being massively wealthy, doesn't own any property, and doesn't take every tax deduction possible? I know enough about socialism to know it's a very wide belief spectrum, from wanting to expand health care for everyone and call it a day, all the way to zero private ownership of land, buildings, and materials. She made the comment to sound hardcore, and that's the point I'm calling disingenuous.


You don't have to take a vow of poverty to care about people. Sheesh.
 
2012-03-20 11:21:50 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: HotIgneous Intruder: qorkfiend: CygnusDarius: They'll call him a socialist

THE GREAT NAME: - His party was called National Socialists which means Socialism plus Racism

*swish*

Our Nazi friends hated the commies, you dummy!

The Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks, but both were commies.

You dummy.

And Hitler hated Roehm. They were both Nazis (right wingers)

Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.

From your profile:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
~Christopher Hitchens

I have given (admittedy brief) reasons for the claim that Naziism is left-wing and will be happy to elucidate. You have merely made an assertion without evidence.

It takes a real dummy to put a quote on his profile and then go against it in the threads.

There's plenty of evidence. The truth is that they promised both left and right wing policies while campaigning, but stuck with the more right wing stuff when they achieved power.

Look, dude, the social history of fascism (esp. Nazism) was my major focus in grad school. I've read hundreds of books on the subject.

What have you read? Jonah Goldberg?


An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.
 
2012-03-20 11:21:54 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.


try putting anarchy on one end and totalitarianism on the other end. all the bad guys will be over there with the socialists. ron paul will still be on the other side all alone...
 
2012-03-20 11:23:26 AM  
THE GREAT NAME:

i.imgur.com


Never thought I'd get to use this again.
 
2012-03-20 11:26:23 AM  

colon_pow: THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.

try putting anarchy on one end and totalitarianism on the other end. all the bad guys will be over there with the socialists. ron paul will still be on the other side all alone...


Politics does not operate on a single axis, but a spectrum (new window).
There is political left and right as well as social left and right, and athoritarian vs libertarian.

Most Americans are authoritarian followers by default. It's a common imperial trait.
 
2012-03-20 11:27:51 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.


Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.
 
2012-03-20 11:29:18 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.

Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.


But those are all liberal whitewash propaganda. The only ones that aren't are (coincidentally, I'm sure) the ones that support his position!
 
2012-03-20 11:31:41 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.

Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.


He has read books by real scholars, but he won't tell you which ones since they're all conservatives and you'll just dismiss what they wrote.

/once got that as a response from a neocon
 
2012-03-20 11:32:40 AM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


You mean the health care policy based on Mitt Romney's health care policy implemented in Massachusetts which in turn was based on Newt Gingrich's 1994 alternative to HillaryCare?
 
2012-03-20 11:32:48 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: colon_pow: THE GREAT NAME: Pants full of macaroni!!: THE GREAT NAME: Hitler was in no sense conservative:

[img.photobucket.com image 640x176]

Wrong. It's more like this


left............................................................... right

Hitler
Stalin...............Obama ........................................Ron Paul
Mao


The definition of "liberal" is somebody on the left who can make a convincing case that they are not about to do mass exterminations.

try putting anarchy on one end and totalitarianism on the other end. all the bad guys will be over there with the socialists. ron paul will still be on the other side all alone...

Politics does not operate on a single axis, but a spectrum (new window).
There is political left and right as well as social left and right, and athoritarian vs libertarian.

Most Americans are authoritarian followers by default. It's a common imperial trait.


Political diagrams are constantly re-invented by leftists to hide their totalitarian tendancies.

The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

The two-axis graph was produced in an attempt to suggest that leftist authouritarianism relates only to fiscal matters, and that they compensate by being "liberal" about personal matters (anyone who has been displaced by an affirmative action scheme, or made to smoke in the freezing rain, or had their free speech censored on the Internet know this is a complete lie).

No doubt it will change again, as people who describe themselves using the oxmoronic term "left-libertarians" are revealed for the obsessively controlling crypto-bolshevikists they really are.
 
2012-03-20 11:39:03 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.

Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.


Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.

But if they're controlling the government they *are* the government. And their business wing is effectively nationalised because they are part of the government. The idea of corporatism as anything seperate from statism is just part of the whitewash fraud.

By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?
 
2012-03-20 11:39:28 AM  
Just keep you mouth shut, honey and look pretty.
 
2012-03-20 11:41:21 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.


Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.
 
2012-03-20 11:43:37 AM  

Mentat: THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.


they're both authoritarian.
 
2012-03-20 11:44:11 AM  
I love these insanely wealthy folks who live in huge houses, and drive fancy cars, that claim they're "socialists". If they were, wouldn't they get rid of all that stuff? You know, to help the poor out?

I take her socialism as seriously as I take Al Gore's environmentalism.
 
2012-03-20 11:46:35 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.


HA HJA, no I don't!

THE GREAT NAME: By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?


I'm not hiding behind anything. Unless years of study and hundreds of books is hiding.

Content? HA HA HA
 
2012-03-20 11:46:50 AM  

Mentat: THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.


There were many competing brands of communism... fascism was just one. Just because certain groups took sides with the Nazis doesn't change the essence of their ideology.

The Nazis purged Christianity between 1932 and 1945. As I have mentioned, corporatism is a red herring, and the army was also a big factor in Russian Communism.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:03 AM  
Typical Hot Blond, All Body and No Brain.

1.bp.blogspot.com

and somewhat of an Attention Whore

3.bp.blogspot.com


But I would still do her.
 
2012-03-20 11:48:33 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.

HA HJA, no I don't!

THE GREAT NAME: By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?

I'm not hiding behind anything. Unless years of study and hundreds of books is hiding.

Content? HA HA HA


Did you even actually read any of those books? It's starting to look like you jsut wrote emo angst poems the whole time and got your degree for "participating".
 
2012-03-20 11:49:13 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: An institution filled with achedemic leftists? Theese are the places where the revisionism happens. All you have learned is a propoganda whitewash.

Bad response. Most are left of center or farther, but one of my advisers was among the most Conservative people I've ever known. I chose him for that reason. He never claimed this BS "Nazis are leftist" crap. And there are many conservative scholars who don't either.

Read a few books by actual scholars then get back to me.

Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.

But if they're controlling the government they *are* the government. And their business wing is effectively nationalised because they are part of the government. The idea of corporatism as anything seperate from statism is just part of the whitewash fraud.

By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?


You should have stuck with the 2-3 sentence posts, now you're just getting all Glenn Beckish.
 
2012-03-20 11:49:51 AM  

thamike: This is so depressing. A headline about Elle MacPherson joking about the Obamasocialgasm on the Howard Stern show, and it's a wall of Shills vs. Those Who Inexplicably Indulge Them, instead of a wall of Elle.


A sign of the end of days, if I ever saw one.
 
2012-03-20 11:51:25 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Lionel Mandrake: THE GREAT NAME: Ha ha you probably think corporatism is corporations controlling the government.

HA HJA, no I don't!

THE GREAT NAME: By the way, am I the only one to bring content to this discussion? Are you going to hide behind your professors all day?

I'm not hiding behind anything. Unless years of study and hundreds of books is hiding.

Content? HA HA HA

Did you even actually read any of those books? It's starting to look like you jsut wrote emo angst poems the whole time and got your degree for "participating".


OK Corky. You have a good one.
 
2012-03-20 11:51:42 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Mentat: THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.

There were many competing brands of communism... fascism was just one. Just because certain groups took sides with the Nazis doesn't change the essence of their ideology.

The Nazis purged Christianity between 1932 and 1945. As I have mentioned, corporatism is a red herring, and the army was also a big factor in Russian Communism.


Now that is just too stupid even for a troll post. Hello ignore button, how YOU doin'?
 
2012-03-20 11:51:48 AM  

colon_pow: they're both authoritarian.


So?

THE GREAT NAME: The Nazis purged Christianity between 1932 and 1945


Someone should tell the Pope that.
 
2012-03-20 11:54:48 AM  

Mildot: Typical Hot Blond, All Body and No Brain.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 350x400]

and somewhat of an Attention Whore

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 270x400]


But I would still do her.


blu.stb.s-msn.com

"Do they pay you to screw that bear?"
 
2012-03-20 12:05:45 PM  

Mentat: colon_pow: they're both authoritarian.

So?

THE GREAT NAME: The Nazis purged Christianity between 1932 and 1945

Someone should tell the Pope that.


OK

brrr brrr brrr brrr
Yo?
Hay Benny, its yer ol' pal THE GREAT NAME here, howz it hanging?
Like Church bells, homie. Wazzup?
I got this godam (sorry) libtard here, wants to know about Hitler and the Church
Hey no worries, tell him Hitler sucked. Made out like he had the "alternative" to communism, but then turned out it was the same ol' shiat. No room for other idealogies y'see.
Yah man thats what I thought. Ever heard of user Mentat?
Yah, moron. Got him on ignore.
Figures, he's full of it, typical lib
Pfft. Loser.
Laters, man
Laters
click.
 
2012-03-20 12:06:40 PM  

Sgygus: Would make sense if Obama was in any way a socialist, instead of what he is, a blue-dog democrat.


As a Rochdale socialist, I voted for Obama for the same reason many free-market capitalists and Marxist socialists did -- the dude is competent, small-c conservative in his approach to government, and most importantly _sane_, in a year where his opposition was characterized by Sarah Palin and the third parties were somehow putting forward zealots even crazier.

From the looks of it, this round is going to be roughly the same, the dude's going to unite some widely differing ideologies simply by being the one candidate capable of working with others, doing the job, and remembering that the pants go on the legs rather than the head.

//No offense to Stewart Alexander, of course, but it doesn't look like he's even making the ballot in my state at this point. Dude can't even afford a buttoned shirt for official photos. That leaves Obama v Crazy v Crazier v Craziest on the Texas ballot.
 
2012-03-20 12:09:53 PM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


There is no official United States law called "Obamacare;" the correct name is "The Affordable Health Care Act."

USE IT.

Calling it "Obamacare" over and over again is a sign of an illiterate Republican hack.


///We'll just have to call the war against women laws "slut shaming acts" or psychopath acts" if people like you keep it up
 
2012-03-20 12:10:13 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: Did you even actually read any of those books? It's starting to look like you jsut wrote emo angst poems the whole time and got your degree for "participating".


So yeah, I think Imma hafta change my vote to "trolling"
 
2012-03-20 12:13:28 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: Got him on ignore.


I think the pope had the jews on ignore during the holocaust...
 
2012-03-20 12:16:45 PM  
What is it with these troll accounts being such jerkass pricks? If you are going to pretend and make a fake account, why not be amusing or somewhat fun instead? You just sound like a miserable lonely person full of spite.
 
2012-03-20 12:20:22 PM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.

There is no official United States law called "Obamacare;" the correct name is "The Affordable Health Care Act."

USE IT.

Calling it "Obamacare" over and over again is a sign of an illiterate Republican hack.


///We'll just have to call the war against women laws "slut shaming acts" or psychopath acts" if people like you keep it up


Meh. Let them call it Obamacare.

A few years down the line, when the reform is as firmly established and widely popular as Medicare and Social Security, sticking his name on it will be a high mark of praise for Obama.
 
2012-03-20 12:22:43 PM  
NeverDrunk23

What is it with these troll accounts being such jerkass pricks? If you are going to pretend and make a fake account, why not be amusing or somewhat fun instead? You just sound like a miserable lonely person full of spite.


Wow, been a member since 2006. Hate those that don't agree with you, got that. BTW, your profile is dumbass, as well as your little poem. Get a life, for God's sake, please.
 
2012-03-20 12:24:42 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: mrshowrules: rustypouch: mrshowrules: Geotpf:

Fiscally, most certainly. However 30 years ago being in favour of gays in the military, gay marriage and endorsing a black man for President would have put you firmly in the Liberal camp.

Please direct me to this Liberal Camp of which you speak.
I would like to visit. I've heard liberal girls are easy.


Even more fun than the girls at band camp. They all take birth control so I understand that they are full fledged sluts.
 
2012-03-20 12:26:43 PM  
She's a super model.

Instead of making her life's work out of careful reflection, investigation, negotiation, and application of meaningful principles to politics, philosophy and the amelioration of society, she has instead made her life's work out of... smiling.

Of course you don't go to her to analyse beyond the simplistic binary narative that if the Republicans are anti-socialist then the Democrats are socialist!
 
2012-03-20 12:32:54 PM  

BillCo: FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?

The libtard definition of a racist:

Average American: "I don't completely agree with some of the president's policies"

Libtards: "You're a racist!"


BillCo obviously forgets the elephant in the room circa 2004:

Average American: "I don't completely agree with some of the president's policies"

Conservatives: "You're UnAmerican and UnPatriotic."

/Now see BillCo go into full cognitive dissonance mode.
 
2012-03-20 12:43:18 PM  

Rwa2play: /Now see BillCo go into full cognitive dissonance mode.

Go

into?
 
2012-03-20 01:12:25 PM  

dervish16108: BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare.

... which has conservative origins.


... and then roundly rejected by the conservative populace. If one moderate liberal has a dumbass idea, does that make it of "liberal origins" or is it just a dumb idea by a DINO?
 
2012-03-20 01:23:12 PM  

FlashHarry: Lionel Mandrake: Keep f*cking that chicken, Billy

i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.


This. The schadenfreude is...delectable. :)
 
2012-03-20 01:24:41 PM  

NeverDrunk23: If you are going to pretend and make a fake account, why not be amusing or somewhat fun instead?


If they could do that they wouldn't need an alt for attention.
 
2012-03-20 01:30:48 PM  

Headso: If they could do that they wouldn't need an alt for attention.


I claim your account is fake, and your comments are lies.
 
2012-03-20 01:39:13 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: Headso: If they could do that they wouldn't need an alt for attention.

I claim your account is fake, and your comments are lies.


I claim you are one of the smartest republicans posting on fark.com and represent the pinnacle of modern "conservative" ideas.
 
2012-03-20 01:40:31 PM  

Headso: THE GREAT NAME: Headso: If they could do that they wouldn't need an alt for attention.

I claim your account is fake, and your comments are lies.

I claim you are one of the smartest republicans posting on fark.com and represent the pinnacle of modern "conservative" ideas.


Awww, you...
 
2012-03-20 02:03:11 PM  
cdn2.holytaco.com

I am sure she is laughing at all of you
 
Heb
2012-03-20 02:55:01 PM  

BillCo: It is telling just how left leaning the majority of Farkers are when they try to claim that Obama is anything near a moderate. You must have forgotten about that impending train wreck called Obamacare. Obama is certainly trying to forget about it.


From here in socialist London, I can assure you that mild regulation of a private healthcare system isn't socialist.

Though we don't really describe things as socialist or not in the batshiat crazy way you seem to.
 
2012-03-20 03:07:00 PM  

colon_pow: Mentat: THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.

they're both authoritarian.


Actually, they're both totalitarian. There is a subtle difference between the two. However, to anybody living in such states, the difference is like being shot point-blank either in the head or in the heart.
 
2012-03-20 03:13:54 PM  

NDP2: colon_pow: Mentat: THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.

they're both authoritarian.

Actually, they're both totalitarian. There is a subtle difference between the two. However, to anybody living in such states, the difference is like being shot point-blank either in the head or in the heart.


thank you. from the link

Authoritarian state: "Mind your own business, or we'll shoot you"
Totalitarian state: "Do what we say, or we'll shoot you"
 
2012-03-20 03:22:33 PM  

colon_pow: NDP2: colon_pow: Mentat: THE GREAT NAME: The political line had to be replaced by the political circle as a way of leftists trying to suggest that fascism was right wing even though it produced exactly the same results as communism.

Even though they spent a lot of their time fighting communists and they purged all of the socialists from their party during the Night of the Long Knives at the bequest of the church, private industry and the army. But yeah, fascism is totally the same thing as communism.

they're both authoritarian.

Actually, they're both totalitarian. There is a subtle difference between the two. However, to anybody living in such states, the difference is like being shot point-blank either in the head or in the heart.

thank you. from the link

Authoritarian state: "Mind your own business, or we'll shoot you"
Totalitarian state: "Do what we say, or we'll shoot you"


If you read the works of Gramski and Trotski, you will see that authoritarian regimes only need a dictator and an army, whereas for totalitarianism you additionally need an ideology promulgated by a privileged intellectual class.

Thus it is privileged intellectuals that differentiate the very worst regimes from those that are merely rather bad. They are, if you like, the most pure form of social risk.
 
2012-03-20 03:27:17 PM  

Alphax: I'm not clicking on Fox, but I'd assume they only invited her on to ogle her.


its not from fox you tool... it was an interview she did on Howard Stern. RTFA
 
2012-03-20 03:27:28 PM  

Mildot: Typical Hot Blond, All Body and No Brain.


Calling her a typical hot blond, is like calling Micheal Jordon a typical NBA basketball player.

/nice pic
 
2012-03-20 03:30:55 PM  

FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?


considering it was from The Howard Stern show and it was just quotes from the show not FOX, shows how much you pay attention.
 
2012-03-20 03:34:33 PM  

trey101: Alphax: I'm not clicking on Fox, but I'd assume they only invited her on to ogle her.

its not from fox you tool... it was an interview she did on Howard Stern. RTFA


Still a Fox link, so no.
 
2012-03-20 05:40:37 PM  

BillCo: FlashHarry: so, is fox trying to establish a correlation here? i.e. obama must be a socialist because elle macpherson, a socialist, supports him?

well, considering that the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists, what does that make it?

The libtard definition of a racist:

Average American: "I don't completely agree with some of the president's policies"

Libtards: "You're a racist!"


Aw, sorry. You'll have to do better than that.

Just to be clear:

* FlashHarry was referring to Republicans

* The "Average American" is not a Republican.

* 52% of Mississippi Republicans and 45% of Alabama Repubs think Obama is Muslim; only 14% in AL and 12% in MS think he's a Christian

Now, if you can think of a reason other than race that might make a Republican believe that the president is not a Christian, I'd like to hear it.

Oh, wait - one more!

* Only 54% of Mississippi voters think interracial marriage should be legal. 21% in AL and 29% in MS say it should be flat-out illegal

Mississippi has nearly 3 million citizens; Alabama has nearly 5 million. Both states are predominantly Republican.

Therefore, just based on those two states, FlashHarry's claim that "the republican party is supported by millions of hardcore racists" matches up with the facts. There are millions of hardcore racists in those states, and they are apparently Republicans.

Thank you for your thoughtful contribution of what you think a "Libtard" says; if I see one, I'll be sure to let him know your opinion of him.
 
2012-03-20 05:50:44 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.


HURR DURRR WHAT PART OF 'NATIONAL SOCIALISTS' DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND DURRR HURR
 
2012-03-20 05:52:10 PM  

mrshowrules: Mildot: Typical Hot Blond, All Body and No Brain.

Calling her a typical hot blond, is like calling Micheal Jordon a typical NBA basketball player.


Especially since she isn't really blonde (new window, NSFW)
 
2012-03-20 07:00:48 PM  
In all fairness to THE GREAT NAME, Hitler IS a lefty compared to himself.
 
2012-03-21 04:38:14 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: Lionel Mandrake: Saying "Nazis were leftist" makes you the biggest dummy in this thread.

HURR DURRR WHAT PART OF 'NATIONAL SOCIALISTS' DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND DURRR HURR


It's been proven, but still you call it derp. Typical lib-logic where truth=derp.
 
2012-03-21 07:39:45 PM  

BillCo: FlashHarry: Lionel Mandrake: Keep f*cking that chicken, Billy

i think it's adorable that BillCo is still around. like most farkers, i have him on ignore, but every once in a while i see him pop up via a quote. i imagine him in his mom's basement, screaming at the television. and it warms my heart.

No, I'm at work making a huge salary. I don't comment much because I have this thing called "work" to do. You should try it sometime.

Why do you have "most farkers" on ignore? Are you afraid of opinions that differ from your own?

Ignore is for pussies.


Let me guess what you do for your livelihood.

Is it internet dentistry?
 
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