This election cycle is like a Gatling gun of stupid. Every time I think I've read the most painfully idiotic thing I could possibly read all week, here comes something even dumber. How do they always manage to outdouche themselves? It beggars belief.

What's an abortionist?

So we call a cardiologist that performs Coronary Artery Bypass Grafts a "Coronary Artery Bypassist"?

syrynxx: It is unreal how many legislatures have gone crazy with female reproductive issues. What the hell is going on?

I don't know if there are more of these incidents than before or if it just seems like it since the Fluke thing, but at this point it seems like Republicans know that they're about to lose power for a generation or two and they're throwing everything at the wall, hoping at least some of it will stick.

Even if only one or two of these insane laws pass, they'll get some of what they want.

skepticultist: Q: How do you tell the difference between a woman going into Planned Parenthood for a mammogram and a woman going into Planned Parenthood for an abortion?

A: You and your fanatically pro-life friends observed her entering the day before.

/the first step to harassment is identification

PP doesn't so them onsite.

Britney Spear's Speculum: skepticultist: Q: How do you tell the difference between a woman going into Planned Parenthood for a mammogram and a woman going into Planned Parenthood for an abortion?

A: You and your fanatically pro-life friends observed her entering the day before.

/the first step to harassment is identification

PP doesn't so them onsite.

Oh, I didn't know that.

You know something I would actually be ok with having to wait 24 hours once the doctor tells you how the procedure is going to happen and what surgery reprecussions could occur by choosing the surgery, higher miscarriage rates, scar tissue affecting fertility etc if there are any. I don't know I am not a doctor.

24 hours is reasonable as long as politics and iffy information isn't disseminated.

Of course you are Americans and I doubt you guys can make waffles without a political incident so I don't have much hope of anything resembling sane policy out of your governments....

Sumo Surfer: Right...and waiting periods are simply pesky, draconian measures with no purpose other than to trample on the rights of individuals about to make life-changing decisions...

No, waiting periods are pesky measures with no purpose other than to make sure that poor or lower-middle class people can't avail themselves of a procedure.

That's it, time to pack up and move...

Or I'll just have to run in the next local or state election...

I think we're forgetting something important. The "tea party" by definition is NOT an astroturf operation bought and paid for by the corporations who directly profit when teabaggers influence legislation. Therefore, there really is no central tea party operation, just as terrorists try to decentralize the organization, so each cell can operate independently.

Many folks who claim to be teabaggers and operate in the interest of the completely grass-roots teabag organization are quite proud of what they do:





The folks in the completely independent, not influenced by Koch-like corporations at all, tea party indeed don't often call themselves proud teabaggers anymore. I'm not sure why. I mean, the teabagger demographic is the one that is most aware of what is going on in the country and the world and couldn't possibly have come across a definition of "teabagger" that they didn't hear in Sunday School...right?

skepticultist: Britney Spear's Speculum: skepticultist: Q: How do you tell the difference between a woman going into Planned Parenthood for a mammogram and a woman going into Planned Parenthood for an abortion?

A: You and your fanatically pro-life friends observed her entering the day before.

/the first step to harassment is identification

PP doesn't so them onsite.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Neither do alot of the mouth breathers opposing PP. And a PP employed physician doesn't do them, they refer.

Not gonna lie, I really would think that NH would be the last place to kneel down, say "oh baby give me your loev juice in my mouthpussy NUYAAAAAAARHGGHHH" and then take a load on the chin from the zealots.

quickdraw: The League of Women Voters (new window) have been around since 1920 and are dedicated to raising awareness about women's issues in politics. You can join for free and don't need lady parts to belong.

Unite Against The War on Women (new window)National Marches planned for April 28, 2012

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I know the League of Women Voters kicks ass (America's 18th line of defense, just behind the Mississippi National Guard and Navy Reserve!) but I didn't know it was free to join. Of course, my local chapter's meetings are all during my work hours until, oh, May, but still, awesome.

Also, f--k this shiat.

/hi, I'm SLITG, and I'm a woman!
//[awkwardly bangs tambourine]

Representative of the unwashed masses: You know something I would actually be ok with having to wait 24 hours once the doctor tells you how the procedure is going to happen and what surgery reprecussions could occur by choosing the surgery, higher miscarriage rates, scar tissue affecting fertility etc if there are any. I don't know I am not a doctor.

24 hours is reasonable as long as politics and iffy information isn't disseminated.

Of course you are Americans and I doubt you guys can make waffles without a political incident so I don't have much hope of anything resembling sane policy out of your governments....

I don't understand your post. You say you don't have a problem with a medical policy and then admit you know nothing about the medical issue.

Why did you waste your time and our time?

Weaver95: PhtoShpHero:
I believe most people, any religion or none, would agree that a "Christian" is a person who follows the word of Christ as they understand it.

her·e·sy [her-uh-see]
1.
opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system.
2.
the maintaining of such an opinion or doctrine.
3.
Roman Catholic Church. the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church.
4.
any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc.

i.e. unless you believe Amish, Latter Day Saints, Anabaptists, Russian Orthodox, or the Nippon Sei Ko Kai are heretics, shuddap.
Relevance: all those people take many of the same parts of the bible and interpret them differently.


heterodox
1. (Christian Religious Writings / Theology) at variance with established, orthodox, or accepted doctrines or beliefs
2. holding unorthodox opinions
[from Greek heterodoxos holding another opinion, from hetero- + doxa opinion]

I challenge you to prove that the prosperity theology doctrine practiced by US evangelicals isn't heresy OR heterodox from mainstream christian philosophy. you have 10 minutes.

begin....now.

to anyone saying "they're not Christian", please show me your credentials of authority over the 33,800+ denominations of this religion, and then your claim might have some merit. Otherwise, it's just as much you not being a Chrstian in their eyes as they are not in yours



the word you are looking for is 'theology', and it's a hobby of mine. I've even had some level of formal training in the subject.


I'm sorry, but you want me to prove that the prosperity doctrine ISN'T heresy when you mistook your hobby of reading up on religion as "theology" (when put forward as credentials to claim authority over the various denominations of a particular religion)? Am I correct in that?

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Get out and vote come November, ladies. This may be your last chance if these backwards farks aren't kicked out of office.

Look. The Bible doesn't say ANYTHING about women voting. Besides, women can't be trusted to make a selection based upon reason; they'll just vote for the most attractive male.

gimmegimme: Representative of the unwashed masses: You know something I would actually be ok with having to wait 24 hours once the doctor tells you how the procedure is going to happen and what surgery reprecussions could occur by choosing the surgery, higher miscarriage rates, scar tissue affecting fertility etc if there are any. I don't know I am not a doctor.

24 hours is reasonable as long as politics and iffy information isn't disseminated.

Of course you are Americans and I doubt you guys can make waffles without a political incident so I don't have much hope of anything resembling sane policy out of your governments....

I don't understand your post. You say you don't have a problem with a medical policy and then admit you know nothing about the medical issue.

Why did you waste your time and our time?

I know just enough about the medicine that laws like this are only being proposed as a political maneuver. Same goes for the dildo shaped untrasound and the you have to hear the heartbeat nonsense. I'm not so much against a law dictating that you have to wait 24 hours, a cooling off period to make sure you really want to go through with it seems to make sense to me.

The political overtones that seem to follow this issue especially confuse me however.

/That should have wasted a further 20 seconds of your time if you read at a decent level.
//Just pontificating, don't get your feathers in a bunch.

seventypercent: I've said it before, but I'll say it again. I'm starting to believe that the original (now rescinded) rules on funding contraception in insurance plans was a deliberate overreach on the part of the Obama administration, which was completely and fully aware that state and national Republicans would completely lose their shiat and overreach in the opposite direction by a couple orders of magnitude.

If we've learned anything over the past 30 years or so, it is that the far right of the Republican party simply cannot help itself when it comes to things like this. If Rick Santorum had stuck to a populist blue-collar economic message, he may very well have rendered Mitt Romney completely irrelevant months ago. But he can't help himself. They're like alcoholics that have to drive by the liquor store every day on the way home from work, and they find their steering wheel mysteriously pulling into the parking lot every day.

You just can't dangle gays, minorities, contraception, heliocentrism, etc. in front of these people without triggering an involuntary expectoration of their Victorian-era philosophy. They know they should just keep quiet. They know it will not help them, particularly in a general election. But they can't help themselves.

Obama is pretty good at this shiat, so I wouldn't put it past him. Kudos to him if this is true. Pelosi helped out too, with her unofficial hearing featuring Fluke.

Representative of the unwashed masses: gimmegimme: Representative of the unwashed masses: You know something I would actually be ok with having to wait 24 hours once the doctor tells you how the procedure is going to happen and what surgery reprecussions could occur by choosing the surgery, higher miscarriage rates, scar tissue affecting fertility etc if there are any. I don't know I am not a doctor.

24 hours is reasonable as long as politics and iffy information isn't disseminated.

Of course you are Americans and I doubt you guys can make waffles without a political incident so I don't have much hope of anything resembling sane policy out of your governments....

I don't understand your post. You say you don't have a problem with a medical policy and then admit you know nothing about the medical issue.

Why did you waste your time and our time?

I know just enough about the medicine that laws like this are only being proposed as a political maneuver. Same goes for the dildo shaped untrasound and the you have to hear the heartbeat nonsense. I'm not so much against a law dictating that you have to wait 24 hours, a cooling off period to make sure you really want to go through with it seems to make sense to me.

The political overtones that seem to follow this issue especially confuse me however.

/That should have wasted a further 20 seconds of your time if you read at a decent level.
//Just pontificating, don't get your feathers in a bunch.

If you recognize that the Virginia dildo rape bill was merely a political maneuver, why would you believe that any of the brand new abortion-postponement maneuvers would be necessary? There have been tens of millions of abortions in the United States since Roe; it's an extremely safe procedure. No 24-hour think-it-over period necessary, no reason to name the fetus and make the woman guess what it wants to be when it grows up.

//You don't think that women who have abortions think about what they want for more than 24 hours?

I'm sure its lost in the hubbub, but everyone here is arguing about everything EXCEPT the person for whom this shiat actually matters.

Let's call her Mandy. Mandy is 18, barely finished high school, works a McJob and still lives at home, in the same small town she grew up in. She wants out, but she's got no real skills or inspiration. And she's from a broken home, so her whole life she's been hoping she'll meet a nice guy to build a life with, and all her dreams will come true.

So she starts seeing Josh, the assistant manager, and for the first time in her life, someone is treating her like an adult. A fellow human being. It's exhilarating, and she doesn't want to screw it up. So she has sex with him earlier than a girl with an actual father figure might have, and when he stops using condoms she doesn't have the self-confidence to stand up for herself. (oh and of course her job keeps her hours just under fulltime, and even if they didn't, Cigna doesn't pay for "slut medications" so no Pill for her!)

Then, just about the time Josh starts getting bored, Mandy misses a period. Then two. She might have figured out what was going on sooner, but sex ed in her state has been gutted for years, in the name of "not giving kids ideas".

So she's several months pregnant, josh isn't returning her calls, there is no space or money at her parents house to support a baby, and good luck getting maternity leave from Taco Bell. And so she finally scrapes up $400 to have an abortion.

She never wanted this to happen, but she doesn't know what else to do. She's a wreck, she feels like a failure on so many levels, she hates herself, her already fragile self esteem is shattered. But those same people who are happy to point fingers, pass judgement, and talk about how they (with their perfect childhoods and upbringings) would have made wiser choices.

So now Mandy gets off work, scrapes up the money, and drives two hours away to the only clinic in the state. But psych! Hah hah, Mandy, you stupid slut! You have to.come back tomorrow, too.

You see, its for your own good. A bunch of jumped-up car-salesmen aren't sure you've thought this decision through (despite the fact that you've been able to think of nothing else for weeks now.). So *for your protection* they have determined making you get another day off, pay another office visit fee, and drive 4 more hours is just enough to get you thinking.

You see they juat care about your unborn child, Mandy. Not, you know, enough to help you take care of it in any way. But enough to make sure you don't escape the consequences of sluthood. After all, how else are you going to learn from your mistakes, if not by being burdened with a dependent form the next 18 years? Where would we get the workers we need to replace Mandy? That's right, little Nameless, you're already condemned to a life with much worse odds than those who sit in judgement of you & your mom...

werekoala: I'm sure its lost in the hubbub, but everyone here is arguing about everything EXCEPT the person for whom this shiat actually matters.

Let's call her Mandy. Mandy is 18, barely finished high school, works a McJob and still lives at home, in the same small town she grew up in. She wants out, but she's got no real skills or inspiration. And she's from a broken home, so her whole life she's been hoping she'll meet a nice guy to build a life with, and all her dreams will come true.

So she starts seeing Josh, the assistant manager, and for the first time in her life, someone is treating her like an adult. A fellow human being. It's exhilarating, and she doesn't want to screw it up. So she has sex with him earlier than a girl with an actual father figure might have, and when he stops using condoms she doesn't have the self-confidence to stand up for herself. (oh and of course her job keeps her hours just under fulltime, and even if they didn't, Cigna doesn't pay for "slut medications" so no Pill for her!)

Then, just about the time Josh starts getting bored, Mandy misses a period. Then two. She might have figured out what was going on sooner, but sex ed in her state has been gutted for years, in the name of "not giving kids ideas".

So she's several months pregnant, josh isn't returning her calls, there is no space or money at her parents house to support a baby, and good luck getting maternity leave from Taco Bell. And so she finally scrapes up $400 to have an abortion.

She never wanted this to happen, but she doesn't know what else to do. She's a wreck, she feels like a failure on so many levels, she hates herself, her already fragile self esteem is shattered. But those same people who are happy to point fingers, pass judgement, and talk about how they (with their perfect childhoods and upbringings) would have made wiser choices.

So now Mandy gets off work, scrapes up the money, and drives two hours away to the only clinic in the state. But psych! Hah ...

And now for the Republican Response:



Oh Mandy,
Well, you shouldn't have farked without marriage.
Now it's time to give birth...
Oh Mandy,
In your homeschool you should have learned aspirin
Goes between both your knees....

Oh, Mandy....

Weaver95:
the word you are looking for is 'theology', and it's a hobby of mine. I've even had some level of formal training in the subject.

In short, hopefully before you reply and looks silly. You can have 3 degrees in theology from 3 different universities. Those do not make you an authority OVER the denominations of Christianity, else those persons with 3 degrees, even with additional education higher training, would unify those denominations into 1 and avoiding heresy.

In short, there is NO single authority over the denominations of the Christian Church as a whole. There are "accepted" groups of denominations, and secular groups as well, that get to decide for our government which ones "aren't Christian". I highly doubt you oversee those groups.

But, since you wish to use the term heresy. And these folks you're denouncing as heretics have been put in their position be a majority of people, I'm going to say that your views HAVE to be heretical as they are not consistent with:

1.
opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system.
...
4.
any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc.

Those elected idiots weren't put there by people disagreeing with their views, right?

I think I'm actually okay with a brief waiting period. Unless medically expedient, future altering medical decisions should be given a little introspection. Abortions, vasectomies, tubal ligation, and all forms of plastic surgery.

I think similar consideration should be given to tattoos and piercings.

Now, the literature... I think proper literature should be truthful and include one called "The adoption option." I think it was something by Malcolm Gladwell that explores the connection between the number of ovulations a woman has and the increase in breast cancer rates, and that article might be worthy of scientific vetting and offered as a replacement for the scare tactic pamphlet.

/Condoms are cheap
//Babies are not
///Plan B should always be available
////Atheist

You have got to be farking kidding me.

How many states is this so far? I need to start making a list of places not to live in.

wildcardjack: I think I'm actually okay with a brief waiting period. Unless medically expedient, future altering medical decisions should be given a little introspection. Abortions, vasectomies, tubal ligation, and all forms of plastic surgery.

I think similar consideration should be given to tattoos and piercings.

Now, the literature... I think proper literature should be truthful and include one called "The adoption option." I think it was something by Malcolm Gladwell that explores the connection between the number of ovulations a woman has and the increase in breast cancer rates, and that article might be worthy of scientific vetting and offered as a replacement for the scare tactic pamphlet.

/Condoms are cheap
//Babies are not
///Plan B should always be available
////Atheist

I'll repeat my question to another farker. Do you think that all of the women who have abortions today did so on a whim? Do you really think they didn't consider the consequences? They didn't think about the men involved? Sure, you have your outliers, but it seems somewhat patronizing to suggest that a woman takes a pee test, sighs, heads in for her uterus flush and then heads to the Outback for a Blooming Onion with nary a thought of the medical procedure.

Weaver95: PhtoShpHero:
I'm sorry, but you want me to prove that the prosperity doctrine ISN'T heresy when you mistook your hobby of reading up on religion as "theology" (when put forward as credentials to claim authority over the various denominations of a particular religion)? Am I correct in that?

Nope, not even close. but if that works for you, then by all means continue.

you've set yourself quite a task...good luck proving that the prosperity gospel doctrine isn't heresy.

Let's recap:

Phto: Show me your credentials of authority over christianity
Weav: Prove prosperity gospel isn't heresy.
Phto: You want me to prove prosperity doctrine isn't heresy? Is that correct?
Weav: Nope, not even close....good luck proving prosperity gospel isn't heresy.

/remember kids; just say NO to drugs

Weaver95: Sumo Surfer: The mandated waiting period is a good idea and I see nothing wrong with it. That being said, It'll be interesting to see how the erroneous abortion/breast cancer provision can withstand legal challenges with so many health organizations' research showing no such direct link.

I'm not sure a mandatory waiting period is a good idea in all cases. I'd imagine that a rape victim doesn't WANT to wait any longer than is medically necessary to get rid of the rape baby she's carrying.

But rape babies are a gift from God, to be cherished and loved.

gimmegimme:

If you recognize that the Virginia dildo rape bill was merely a political maneuver, why would you believe that any of the brand new abortion-postponement maneuvers would be necessary? There have been tens of millions of abortions in the United States since Roe; it's an extremely safe procedure. No 24-hour think-it-over period necessary, no reason to name the fetus and make the woman guess what it wants to be when it grows up.

//You don't think that women who have abortions think about what they want for more than 24 hour ...

I mean from a medical point of view only, real information that you would only learn from a doctor. I would think it's a big enough decision that the woman should be informed of what the doctor is going to do and take 24 hours to think about the procedure itself.

You may think I'm not pro-choice but in actuality I am. I agree totally that the heartbeat, naming, etc etc that goofy laws want people to go through is stupid.

Of course I think that women have thought about it, I assume however that they are more concerned with emotional issues and not physical ones that can happen in any surgery. All I am saying is that it would seem to me that before a surgery (ANY SURGERY TO ANYONE) unless totally necessary and critical for your life (say emergency heart surgery) there should be an overnight cooling off period to evaluate the physical aspect of that decision.

So stop being so sensitive. I'm just expressing a different point of view that doesn't care about whether abortion is right or not.

Representative of the unwashed masses: gimmegimme:

If you recognize that the Virginia dildo rape bill was merely a political maneuver, why would you believe that any of the brand new abortion-postponement maneuvers would be necessary? There have been tens of millions of abortions in the United States since Roe; it's an extremely safe procedure. No 24-hour think-it-over period necessary, no reason to name the fetus and make the woman guess what it wants to be when it grows up.

//You don't think that women who have abortions think about what they want for more than 24 hour ...

I mean from a medical point of view only, real information that you would only learn from a doctor. I would think it's a big enough decision that the woman should be informed of what the doctor is going to do and take 24 hours to think about the procedure itself.

You may think I'm not pro-choice but in actuality I am. I agree totally that the heartbeat, naming, etc etc that goofy laws want people to go through is stupid.

Of course I think that women have thought about it, I assume however that they are more concerned with emotional issues and not physical ones that can happen in any surgery. All I am saying is that it would seem to me that before a surgery (ANY SURGERY TO ANYONE) unless totally necessary and critical for your life (say emergency heart surgery) there should be an overnight cooling off period to evaluate the physical aspect of that decision.

So stop being so sensitive. I'm just expressing a different point of view that doesn't care about whether abortion is right or not.

Sorry...sorry...I guess I am being sensitive. I mean, the last time I had an ear infection, the doctor sent me home to deliberate for 24 hours whether or not I wanted amoxicillin. And when my grandfather had a heart attack, they made him wait 24 hours to decide if he really wanted to be resuscitated. These are big decisions and you don't want to make them lightly.

PhtoShpHero: Weaver95: PhtoShpHero:
I'm sorry, but you want me to prove that the prosperity doctrine ISN'T heresy when you mistook your hobby of reading up on religion as "theology" (when put forward as credentials to claim authority over the various denominations of a particular religion)? Am I correct in that?

Nope, not even close. but if that works for you, then by all means continue.

you've set yourself quite a task...good luck proving that the prosperity gospel doctrine isn't heresy.

Let's recap:

Phto: Show me your credentials of authority over christianity
Weav: Prove prosperity gospel isn't heresy.
Phto: You want me to prove prosperity doctrine isn't heresy? Is that correct?
Weav: Nope, not even close....good luck proving prosperity gospel isn't heresy.

/remember kids; just say NO to drugs

Remember: I believe, as most Christians I talk with with working brain cells and know the number of denominations in their church, that people following THEIR understanding of Christ's teachings is what makes them Christian. Not MY interpretations, and not others interpretations.

Else there wouldn't be so many interpretations of the same book and so many denominations.

GAT_00: Weaver95: well...no. their official name is 'the tea party'.

They called themselves that first, don't be obtuse. You know the facts as well as I do.

Weaver95: not everyone who calls themselves a Republican is actually following the ideals of the Republican party. Same for the Democrats. Why do you suddenly have a problem understanding that not everyone who calls themselves 'christian' is actually a christian?

Well, they think they are, and I don't think I have the right to judge people and tell them that what they call themselves isn't right. Nor should you. You're basically saying you think it's right to tell people that you know what they are better than they are. I will identify people as they identify themselves.

And those people who go to the megachurches? They are the Christians.

My father has stopped calling himself Christian because of the negative connotations brought on by the mouth-breathers.
/csb

She comes in colors everywhere:

My father has stopped calling himself Christian because of the negative connotations brought on by the mouth-breathers.
/csb

As an aside, he once took a nun to the doctor for an abortion. Just thought this would be a fun place to mention that.

IMDWalrus: You have got to be farking kidding me.

How many states is this so far? I need to start making a list of places not to live in.

We need a "golden" list of safe-haven states for women, I believe. Such a sad state of affairs when such laws are even being proposed in the modern day. It's like we're still crawling out of the caves....on our hands and knees...

She comes in colors everywhere: She comes in colors everywhere:

My father has stopped calling himself Christian because of the negative connotations brought on by the mouth-breathers.
/csb

As an aside, he once took a nun to the doctor for an abortion. Just thought this would be a fun place to mention that.


Doctor: "how many babies you want?"

"Nun!"

/proceeds to sit back down
//sorry

Sumo Surfer: Titor's Time Machine: Yes, because having a proceedure as serious as an abortion is an impulse buy...

Right...and waiting periods are simply pesky, draconian measures with no purpose other than to trample on the rights of individuals about to make life-changing decisions...

Acutally yes they are. Many states have closed down abortion providers with impossible regulation. For millions of people, it takes a day to travel to get to one still open. Many people can't afford the travel or to take multiple days off.

gimmegimme: Do you think that all of the women who have abortions today did so on a whim?

No, I expect many of those women go to their healthcare provider to get confirmation, and the onsite test comes back positive and they carry on the decision.

If the test has to be done offsite I'd be okay with the clock starting from the drawing of the sample.

The woman who goes to the doctor expecting to demand an abortion will be inconvenienced. But I believe that a little introspection to be worthwhile in all future changing decisions.

I'm really waiting for a wealthy man to copyright his genetic sequence so he can demand a pregnant woman "remove all traces and derivative works of his intellectual property" from her possession.

wildcardjack: The woman who goes to the doctor expecting to demand an abortion will be inconvenienced. But I believe that a little introspection to be worthwhile in all future changing decisions.

believe all you want - when one starts legislating it, however...that's another story.

in other words, you're free to wait 24 hours already. that's up to you - you can wait 24 hours before a checkup, a surgery, or an oil change. you can already do this.

the idea that what you think is best for you needs to be legislated however is just plain busybodyism.

Live how we tell you to live or die.

djkutch: shame caves.

"CHAIN HIM UP AND THROW HIM INTO THE CAVE OF SHAME!"



/The better capture from this episode, animated, is too large awesome for Fark.

gimmegimme: Representative of the unwashed masses: gimmegimme:

If you recognize that the Virginia dildo rape bill was merely a political maneuver, why would you believe that any of the brand new abortion-postponement maneuvers would be necessary? There have been tens of millions of abortions in the United States since Roe; it's an extremely safe procedure. No 24-hour think-it-over period necessary, no reason to name the fetus and make the woman guess what it wants to be when it grows up.

//You don't think that women who have abortions think about what they want for more than 24 hour ...

I mean from a medical point of view only, real information that you would only learn from a doctor. I would think it's a big enough decision that the woman should be informed of what the doctor is going to do and take 24 hours to think about the procedure itself.

You may think I'm not pro-choice but in actuality I am. I agree totally that the heartbeat, naming, etc etc that goofy laws want people to go through is stupid.

Of course I think that women have thought about it, I assume however that they are more concerned with emotional issues and not physical ones that can happen in any surgery. All I am saying is that it would seem to me that before a surgery (ANY SURGERY TO ANYONE) unless totally necessary and critical for your life (say emergency heart surgery) there should be an overnight cooling off period to evaluate the physical aspect of that decision.

So stop being so sensitive. I'm just expressing a different point of view that doesn't care about whether abortion is right or not.

Sorry...sorry...I guess I am being sensitive. I mean, the last time I had an ear infection, the doctor sent me home to deliberate for 24 hours whether or not I wanted amoxicillin. And when my grandfather had a heart attack, they made him wait 24 hours to decide if he really wanted to be resuscitated. These are big decisions and you don't want to make them lightly.

ooh nice snark missed my comment about being medically necessary like a heart attack for example. You go ahead and feel butt hurt because I think that in the case of an elective procedure you should sleep on it after you are told what will happen and I'll go to sleep.

After all other than the woman's life being endangered abortion isn't medically required is it?

Hell have all the abortions you want I really don't care.

What is this I don't even

I cannot even begin to keep up with the rate in which these horrible bills seem to be exploding from these lawmakers. Not unlike a certain Republican candidate.

I can't agree on the idea of a 24-hour waiting period. In some cases, this could be a life-threatening situation for the mother, that needs to be acted on quickly. Even if it isn't in most cases, there's far too much political baggage attached to this issue for it to have any chance of being non-biased, not based in BS emotions coming from these wannabe fake witch doctors in Congress who seem to think they know more than actual doctors.

Ugh I need to stop reading so many of these stories about these awful bills, it's bad for my health! Blood pressure threatens to reach dangerously high levels....

But INAWAW!(TM)

I'd never have guessed that being a right-wing shill paid better than being a lawyer, nurse, and librarian all at the same time.

thanks again, Citizens United!

dslfobia: So what...and, what's the hurry? Take a day and research it. Hell, I personally wouldn't chose abortion as a contraception. I kinda already know what causes babies to happen. But, whatever...knock yourself out. I'm payin' for it anyway...

What is the role of an expert when it comes to common people researching their health?

They are doing it in the name of Christianity. But Ceiling Jesus is watching them lie, cheat, deceive, persecute, and bear false witness. And possibly watching them masturbate.