fusillade762: TheShavingofOccam123: 1. Cover your mouth
2. Wash your hands
3 Take all your meds

4. Knock it off with all the hand sanitizer already.

Hand sanitizer uses alcohol. Bacteria becoming resistant to that is as likely as they becoming resistant to fire. Think before you tell everyone what to do.

fusillade762: 4. Knock it off with all the hand sanitizer already.

Alcohol as a disinfectant is pretty safe, because bacteria evolving a resistance to being doused in alcohol is about as likely as humans evolving a resistance to being doused in gasoline.

Heron: t'd be rather funny if the Japanese, who everyone is currently hassling to breed more, ended up inheriting the earth because they already do this, drug-immune TB ravages the species, and they end up being the only advanced society standing.

fusillade762: The Japanese are way ahead of you

Silly me, of course the Japanese are doing something totally unexpected!

And re: the Japanese inheriting the Earth, they'd have to worry about the Ashkenzai Jews challenging their dominance, because Tay-Sachs carriers may be resistant to TB.

MagSeven: It's spreading!

Please donate now.

The Martintuckian: Nothing will ever make me listen to Pat Boone.

Well, I hear you saying that, but the fact remains, "Moody River" is one catchy tune in a uniquely upbeat goth genre...

Way to go subby TB is sooooo funny ...Unless you get it ; good luck then

AtomicAcidbath: "We can't afford this genie to get out of the bag. Because once it has, I don't know how we'll control TB," said Ruth McNerney, an expert on tuberculosis at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

Well, there's your problem; genies are supposed to be kept in bottles. It's CATS that you keep in bags.

/hate mixed metaphors
//stabby stabby

Down at the London School of Hygiene, they keep their bottles in brown paper bags, just like the winos do over on Delancy Street...

MadSkillz: fusillade762: TheShavingofOccam123: 1. Cover your mouth
2. Wash your hands
3 Take all your meds

4. Knock it off with all the hand sanitizer already.

Hand sanitizer uses alcohol. Bacteria becoming resistant to that is as likely as they becoming resistant to fire. Think before you tell everyone what to do.

There's a difference between an antibiotic(bacitracin, arithromycin), and an antimicrobial (bleach, chlorhexidine aka Hibiclense).

Bacteria can't develop a resistance to a antimicrobial attack via rapid evolution as those compounds attack the cell membrane or functions. However there are anaerobic bacteria/viruses which are already alcohol resistant at the low concentrations in hand sanitizer.

On New Year's Eve 2004, after months of losing weight and suffering fevers, night sweats and shortness of breath, student Anna Watterson was taken into hospital coughing up blood.

MONTHS?! You don't just ignore symptoms like that you stoopid bint! She probably infected a whole slew of others in that time. What an asshole.

CSB... I knew a guy who's nurse wife tested positive for TB. I ended up having to wear one of those retarded masks until I could get tested... yanno... because I'm not an asshole.

It was at the peak of the SARS crisis though so at least I was fashionable... well, in Chinatown anyway.

cajunns: Way to go subby TB is sooooo funny ...Unless you get it ; good luck then

Hawnkee: The corruption spreads...

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....of all the Chaos pantheon in WH40K, Nurgle is the one I cannot take seriously. (Which is sad, because he and Tzeentch probably have the greatest potential for High Octane Nightmare Fuel.)

It's not because Papa Nurgle is basically portrayed as a particularly infectious version of the Trash-heap from Fraggle Rock...it's more that, well...

...Let's just say that, at least based on the portrayal in Realms of Chaos (the first one, the cool one) I can all too easily see Papa Nurgle setting up a children's television programme as a form of bringing in new family members.

A puppet show, at that, called "Papa Nurgle's Funtime Carnival", complete with recurring characters like Staph and Strep the curious Nurglings, Thraxy the Clifford-esque Beast of Nurgle, and well-night-Muppet-esque portrayals of Nurgle's Accountants the Plaguebearers as the straight-daemons to all this silliness (always being interrupted in trying to catalogue things, like some demented version of the Count from Sesame Street)...

Very cute and very very very wrong...

/it's stuff like this that has led to people forbidding me to discuss anything related to the WH40K Chaos pantheon in our gaming circle
//...well, along with Killemall's Khorne Flakes, and ANYTHING related to Slaanesh. AT ALL
///on a serious note re the article, though...methinks that folks best start looking very seriously into phage therapy for some of these nastier bugs; supposedly the Russians DID have some success with targeted phages before the USSR imploded
////is using a viral disease of bacteria to kill a potentially fatal and untreatable bacteria an inadvertent invocation of Nurgle to destroy another of Nurgle's plagues?
\/And wouldn't this also indirectly invoke Tzeentch doing his multicoloured bird-cackling in the corner going "JUST AS PLANNED"?

Thomas Malthus, please call your office.

Great Porn Dragon: Hawnkee: The corruption spreads...

[wh40k.lexicanum.com image 144x141]

....of all the Chaos pantheon in WH40K, Nurgle is the one I cannot take seriously. (Which is sad, because he and Tzeentch probably have the greatest potential for High Octane Nightmare Fuel.)

It's not because Papa Nurgle is basically portrayed as a particularly infectious version of the Trash-heap from Fraggle Rock...it's more that, well...

...Let's just say that, at least based on the portrayal in Realms of Chaos (the first one, the cool one) I can all too easily see Papa Nurgle setting up a children's television programme as a form of bringing in new family members.

A puppet show, at that, called "Papa Nurgle's Funtime Carnival", complete with recurring characters like Staph and Strep the curious Nurglings, Thraxy the Clifford-esque Beast of Nurgle, and well-night-Muppet-esque portrayals of Nurgle's Accountants the Plaguebearers as the straight-daemons to all this silliness (always being interrupted in trying to catalogue things, like some demented version of the Count from Sesame Street)...

Very cute and very very very wrong...

/it's stuff like this that has led to people forbidding me to discuss anything related to the WH40K Chaos pantheon in our gaming circle
//...well, along with Killemall's Khorne Flakes, and ANYTHING related to Slaanesh. AT ALL
///on a serious note re the article, though...methinks that folks best start looking very seriously into phage therapy for some of these nastier bugs; supposedly the Russians DID have some success with targeted phages before the USSR imploded
////is using a viral disease of bacteria to kill a potentially fatal and untreatable bacteria an inadvertent invocation of Nurgle to destroy another of Nurgle's plagues?
\/And wouldn't this also indirectly invoke Tzeentch doing his multicoloured bird-cackling in the corner going "JUST AS PLANNED"?

I don't know what the hell you are talking about but i think it's time for your medication.

b3x: timujin: cajunns: Way to go subby TB is sooooo funny ...Unless you get it ; good luck then

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Ya think the chick in the Pink Shirt has a belly button piercing or an outy?

Sort of looks like a piercing, and she has an inny.

// long time admirer of all 3 of those girls ...

I have no idea, but I'm willing to go in and find out.

MadSkillz: Great Porn Dragon:
(why I cannot take Nurgle seriously, redacted for the preservation of innocent electrons. And even not-so-innocent electrons)

I don't know what the hell you are talking about but i think it's time for your medication.

I swear, what I'm nattering about is not a sign of insanity. Not TOO much insanity, anyways :D

tl;dr version: Let's just say those of us who are fans of a certain gaming universe are having a bit of dark humour in regards to a rather horrid and nasty plague by joking references to an Entirely Fictional and friendly god of plague.

Even more tl;dr version: Less insanity, more, oh, consider it Gamer Geekdom. It can safely be ignored.

In No Way TL;DR version below:

For those not in on the joke--basically the references are to a certain god of plague, disease, and defiant will to live and stubbornness in the face of adversity (YES, I AM SERIOUS) in the Warhammer and Warhammer 40K game universes. Said Chaos god of plague, disease, and defiant will to live and stubbornness in the face of adversity is also effectively portrayed as EVERYONE'S loveable grandparent who wants NOTHING more than to give you a GREAT big hug--basically imagine Barney the Dinosaur with every pox known and unknown to man, and you get the idea. (In the "medieval game universe", Warhammer, his daemons are actually depicted as having literal plague circuses and plague carnivals across the medieval crapsack world the game is set in.)

Pretty much the main opposition is Tzeentch, another chaos god who is the god of magick, HOPE AND CHANGE (yes, there IS the running joke that Barack Obama IS in fact one of Tzeentch's daemons if not an avatar of Tzeentch himself), and JUST AS PLANNED. He also has an obsession with birds and flair and Sparkly Things, and SERIOUS TZEENTCH IS SERIOUS.

(Yes, there's two others of note, but they're not important right now. Discussions of Khorne and Slaanesh are directed to the Politics tab. :D)

AtomicAcidbath: "We can't afford this genie to get out of the bag. Because once it has, I don't know how we'll control TB," said Ruth McNerney, an expert on tuberculosis at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

Well, there's your problem; genies are supposed to be kept in bottles. It's CATS that you keep in bags.

/hate mixed metaphors
//stabby stabby

I once heard someone say something was going to snowball until it caught on fire. I thought to myself, "Christ, I don't know what the snow was like where you grew up, buddy."

Jon iz teh kewl: They say "drug resistant"?
But have any of them actually tried Datura?
Sometimes herbal remedies are the best.

I've read some studies where they had much greater success treating MRSA infected wounds by packing them with sterile bentonite clay than anything else.

1) Stop giving animals antibiotics.

2) Stop prescribing antibiotics for viral infections (Looking at you, Western Nations)
3) Dangit, do we have to bomb India now?

FunkOut: Jon iz teh kewl: They say "drug resistant"?
But have any of them actually tried Datura?
Sometimes herbal remedies are the best.

I've read some studies where they had much greater success treating MRSA infected wounds by packing them with sterile bentonite clay than anything else.

I can actually sort of see that--the clay seals off the wound, it's absorptive of toxins (much of the nastiness of S. aureus in general is from hyaluronidase production) and probably there's tiny enough sharp silicate crystals that it could puncture the bacteria.

Then again, I'm also a big fan of bacteriophage therapy (which HAS had some clinical success) because--as others have noted--it's pretty damn hard for bacteria to evolve resistance and the phages can evolve right along with the bacteria; also, the phage viruses that attack bacteria don't attack eukaryotes like us so that makes it less likely to cause side effects. :D

And with TDR tuberculosis, pretty much they're GOING to be forced to that, I think; even the drugs for the easily treatable kinds of TB pretty much have to be taken for a year, and the more resistant that TB is to the first-line and second-line drugs, the nastier the stuff that's needed to kill it gets and the longer you have to take it. It's pretty much that, or go back to sanitoriums, or both.

(And I say that as someone who lives in a city with a particularly famous--or INFAMOUS--ex-TB sanitorium that is now more than a bit of a "haunted attraction". Some of y'all might have seen it in person, some on television. I also say this as someone who's had relatives and in-laws who've had the (thankfully easily treatable with the year-long course in drugs) kind of TB; nasty disease, it is.)

/see, I CAN be serious on occasion

Heron: lohphat: Drug-resistant diseases are nurtured in destitute, poor-hygiene riddled, spotty medical service availability, overpopulated countries like China and India? You don't say.

The article doesn't mention it, but the first places it showed up were developed-world prisons. Russia was the most notable in this regard, but US prison pops have been a breeding ground for these drug-resistant bacteria as well. Says some rather unflattering things about how we treat our prison population when you think about it.

Nice try, but drug-resistant TB has been around for decades. I was taught about it and why it's so prevalent in the developed world in 1992. It has to do not with either prisons, poverty or poor medical service, but the length of time one has to take TB medications, and the poor compliance in general people have with long-term medical treatment.

Meds for TB--even "normal" TB--have to be taken for 9 months to a year, because the bacterium is so hardy and adapted to the human body. The problem is that people begin to feel better within a couple of months and so they stop taking it. It can be because the drugs are expensive; but it also can be because they forget, or the side effects are unpleasant, or the prescription ran out and they never refilled it, etc. So the bacterium develops a resistance, and can only be treated next time with MORE drugs that have to be taken long-term, and so on and so on.

If it is more "prevalent" in poorer countries, it's only because TB was never fully eradicated there, not because of bad medical services per se, and because slum overcrowding encourages the spread. Actually, prisons would be an ideal place to TREAT TB--because it would be possible to absolutely ensure full med compliance.

hstein3:

Thank you for the info. So, latent can mean there might be a history or that they've just been exposed? It may or may not manifest into an active infection in the future? It's interesting to me, as this is part of immigration policy to let latent TB applicants through the system. From certain parts of the world, this is pretty common (obviously.)

EmmaLou: hstein3:

Thank you for the info. So, latent can mean there might be a history or that they've just been exposed? It may or may not manifest into an active infection in the future? It's interesting to me, as this is part of immigration policy to let latent TB applicants through the system. From certain parts of the world, this is pretty common (obviously.)

TB is one of the strangest diseases there is. Not only can it be latent for many years and you cannot infect anyone while it is latent, it can actually be harder to treat latent TB than active TB, because the bacteria isn't roaming around in the body.

It was some lameass doctor trying to treat my father's latent TB that destroyed his liver.

The Martintuckian: Nothing will ever make me listen to Pat Boone.

I know a lot of people feel the same way, until I make them listen to his haunting "Ballad of the Designated Hitter."

hstein3: EmmaLou: hstein3:

Thank you for the info. So, latent can mean there might be a history or that they've just been exposed? It may or may not manifest into an active infection in the future? It's interesting to me, as this is part of immigration policy to let latent TB applicants through the system. From certain parts of the world, this is pretty common (obviously.)

Latent means an infection that has gone into the cyst form. When it is active the bacteria is multiplying and the disease is symptomatic.

Typing is hard on a cell phone. Try this

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberc ulosis

or the Cdc.

I actually was diagnosed with latent TB back in high school. My family had just moved to Virginia from the most economically depressed coalfield areas of southern West Virginia. When entering school, I had a skin test come up positive and they found cysts in my lungs. After nine months of nuking it with Isoniazid, I was all better.

That area of West Virgina was a weird hot zone of despair. My little brother came down with Kawasaki disease as a baby there. Even though it is an autoimmune disease, you have to wonder if some weirdness there set him off. It was a terrible place to spend my early teen years.