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(AP)   Many Americans seem willing to believe that a 10-year US military veteran, worn down by four tours of combat and perhaps suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, simply snapped in Afghanistan   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 22
    More: Obvious, Afghanistan, Americans, post-traumatic stress disorders, U.S., U.S. military, make excuses, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Northeastern University  
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2012-03-18 11:17:37 PM
8 votes:

GAT_00: Americans also think the world was created by a mystical sky wizard who while being omnipotent also needs daily affirmation of how awesome it is.


you just described most of Apple's fan base.
2012-03-18 10:16:21 PM
6 votes:
Americans also think the world was created by a mystical sky wizard who while being omnipotent also needs daily affirmation of how awesome it is.
2012-03-18 11:34:46 PM
5 votes:

what_now: Weaver95: I think we can make a pretty good guess and how and why this happened.

No, not necessarily. The information about the brain injury and the three tours wasn't immediately known. The douchebags who raped a 14 year old girl in Iraq and set her whole family on fire didn't have any sort of mitigating factors, they were just evil. They would have been evil engineers, evil doctors, evil convenience store clerks, evil office drones. That sort of person does exist.


Don't forget evil petting zoos ...

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2012-03-18 10:19:37 PM
3 votes:
Funny how when it's a US soldier who kills children in cold blood people are all about ignoring possible triggers, motivations, mental illness, and physical brain damage.
2012-03-18 11:55:23 PM
2 votes:
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2012-03-18 11:37:22 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: R.A.Danny: Weaver95: GAT_00: Americans also think the world was created by a mystical sky wizard who while being omnipotent also needs daily affirmation of how awesome it is.

you just described most of Apple's fan base.

I almost thought I saw "Applebees" there and... nevermind.

every time some wannabe hipster jackhole uses the term 'mystical sky wizard' I automatically think about the Apple fanbois and their slavish devotion to anything with the Apple logo.

you'd think that a supposedly intelligent atheist dedicated to logic and reason could come up with ANYTHING better than 'dude hur hur sky wizzards! y ur dumb! hur hur'.

*sigh*

humans.


How you got all that out of "Applebees" and still thought you were on subject is beyond me.
2012-03-19 07:15:34 PM
1 votes:
So this black guy grew up so poor... he never had a daddy and his mom turned tricks at night while he sat on the porch. He tried to resist the gangs but they pretty much beat him up all the time. He' had only minor interactions with the law living in the East St Louis war zone of trouble He's been busted once for a car wreck but had tried hard to escape the poverty. He tried tech school but that didn't work out because he had no money. He tired to go in the military but they wanted him to have a high school degree. There's no jobs, no money. The night he got drunk was after he knew he wasn't getting that McDonald's job after all so him and his friends just went drinking. They dropped him off late and he just got madder and madder about all this shiat that was happening to him, shiat he didn't deserve. That's when he went out and started breaking into houses all quiet like and started killing people. They wasn't like him - they was white and had money. He didn't really remember it but they said he killed a lot of them. So now he sits in jail while the public discusses his circumstances.


I'm sure the average American would cut that guy a break too.
2012-03-19 02:00:03 PM
1 votes:
After this news story broke, I thought for sure it was my cousin. His career sounds just like this, plus he just lost his grandmother and mother within a month of each other (he got leave and had just gotten back to Afghanistan).

It's been well known that soldiers have been suffering from combat fatigue and mental issues. People have been talking about this for years. Soldiers have been snapping for as long as war has been around.

Although I'm not unsympathetic to his situation, children were slaughtered in their beds. Let Afghanistan try him and execute him. He wasn't on a mission, lead by the US military. He went rogue and it's time to pay the piper. This is what happens when you break the rules.
2012-03-19 11:56:33 AM
1 votes:

Discernibly Turgid: But if my nation was a third world stone age country like Afghanistan, and run by religious freaks[creationists] and fanatical gunmen[NRA] who ran their own private serfdoms[Wisconsin], and a benevolent nation offered[trolling?] to come in an return my country to a free democracy and rid the country of the thugs, then I'd give them some leeway if one of THEIR volunteers who were risking THEIR lives (to clean up my stone age ass-backwards country defile our dead and desecrate our holy scripture) happened to loose his sanity and murder some civilians women and children.


Suuure you would.
2012-03-19 11:34:09 AM
1 votes:
Glenn Greenwald makes the point that I and some others have been making, although he does it much better:

There is, quite obviously, a desperate need to believe that when an American engages in acts of violence of this type (meaning: as a deviation from formal American policy), there must be some underlying mental or emotional cause that makes it sensible, something other than an act of pure hatred or Evil. When a Muslim engages in acts of violence against Americans, there is an equally desperate need to believe the opposite: that this is yet another manifestation of inscrutable hatred and Evil, and any discussion of any other causes must be prohibited and ignored.
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2012-03-19 10:16:33 AM
1 votes:
AFGHANI:

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AFGHAN:

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2012-03-19 09:24:24 AM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: publikenemy: Too busy working to protest.

So you don't really care.


And he's actually just mad that people aren't treating this president exactly the same way the last one was treated. Despite him being lambasted over a great many things, including some of the Bush policies he chose to continue. And he's really mad at OWS for not marching on Pennsylvania Ave., despite them doing just that. Repeatedly.

He's really mad.

But you know. Not *that* mad.
2012-03-19 08:14:27 AM
1 votes:

JamesWhitsun: jso2897: JamesWhitsun: biggestdog420: his commanders should be held as responsible.

Why?

Why not?

I asked first.


And I asked second.
I happen to be of the conviction that merely gainsaying the opposing point of view is an acceptable form of argument.
2012-03-19 07:53:05 AM
1 votes:

publikenemy: So WHY are we still in Afghanistan again? Let's gtfo and these things will not happen. No reason to be there anymore. I do think this guy was broken in the brain somehow though. I'm glad I'm not the one that has to figure out what to do with him.


According to Rick Santorum (just a couple of minutes ago on MSNBC) it is because of Obama's failed policies. Apparently the first 7 years in Afghanistan was a success, but Obama has been a failure and we should just get out of Afghanistan if Obama is going to continue his "failed policies".

No word on exactly what was successful prior to Obama.
2012-03-19 06:42:54 AM
1 votes:
So they bropught this guy home and left everyone else there... seems a bit ass-backward.
2012-03-19 12:10:56 AM
1 votes:
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
I see. Go on.
2012-03-18 11:29:41 PM
1 votes:

what_now: Weaver95: I think we can make a pretty good guess and how and why this happened.

No, not necessarily. The information about the brain injury and the three tours wasn't immediately known. The douchebags who raped a 14 year old girl in Iraq and set her whole family on fire didn't have any sort of mitigating factors, they were just evil. They would have been evil engineers, evil doctors, evil convenience store clerks, evil office drones. That sort of person does exist.


was this guy involuntinarily extended and sent back into combat for his third tour?
2012-03-18 11:21:53 PM
1 votes:
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life imitates art imitates life...
2012-03-18 11:20:09 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: GAT_00: Americans also think the world was created by a mystical sky wizard who while being omnipotent also needs daily affirmation of how awesome it is.

you just described most of Apple's fan base.


I almost thought I saw "Applebees" there and... nevermind.
2012-03-18 11:20:01 PM
1 votes:

HawgWild: gotdamn, I love what_now ...


right back atcha kitten.
2012-03-18 11:18:58 PM
1 votes:
I wouldn't defend his actions, nor would I for a second argue with whatever punishment that may follow a proper trial, but I do have sympathy for any of our troops that have been kept in the service far longer than they should have, deployed longer than just about any troops in US history, and generally used as tools of diplomacy instead of defending the country against direct threats.
2012-03-18 11:17:35 PM
1 votes:

7of7: Funny how when it's a US soldier who kills children in cold blood people are all about making excuses.


fark you. Seriously. You aren't helping AT ALL. You think you're being all "contrary" with your stupid farking opinion, but the reality is, you're just a little child trying to say something shocking.

No one is excusing this guy, we're trying to figure out WHY it happened. His life is over. We all know that.


But you go ahead. Try to get some attention from the adults by standing on your chair and screaming.
 
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