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		After only ten years of American involvement in Afghanistan, Mitt Romney simply doesn't have enough information to make a decision on whether or not we should be there (huffingtonpost.com)		202
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FlashHarry		2012-03-18 07:23:16 PM

Schrodinger's candidate is on all sides of every issue all the time.

Relatively Obscure		2012-03-18 07:28:00 PM

Fox News host Bret Baier asked Romney what he would do differently.

"First of all, I would exercise leadership," Romney offered, suggesting he would talk to President Hamid Karzei every day.

WOW WHAT AN AWESOME ANSWER.

Ambivalence		2012-03-18 07:28:41 PM

FlashHarry: Schrodinger's candidate is on all sides of every issue all the time.

Oooo good one. Simultaneously alive and dead. Very clever.

Ambivalence		2012-03-18 07:32:09 PM

Relatively Obscure: Fox News host Bret Baier asked Romney what he would do differently.

"First of all, I would exercise leadership," Romney offered, suggesting he would talk to President Hamid Karzei every day.

WOW WHAT AN AWESOME ANSWER.

This is a big peeve for me. If you have to tell people you're a "great leader" then you aren't. Great leadership is something that is pretty self-evident. The more you have to advertise it, the less you actually have.

GAT_00		2012-03-18 07:38:24 PM

FlashHarry: Schrodinger's candidate is on all sides of every issue all the time.

He's made a point recently to not take a side on anything. He even refused to take a side in the tourney.

Weaver95		2012-03-18 07:44:14 PM

"Before I take a stand, I want to get input [from military leaders] that are there," Romney said on "Fox News Sunday." "General [John] Allen is coming to Washington and testifying about what the conditions are," he noted, adding that some conclusions can already be drawn.

y'know, if Romney had just said 'got me - I don't know why the f*ck we're in afghanistan' then I'd actually have some respect for the guy. He probably doesn't know why we're in that country, nor does anyone else. And if you ask why, then everyone looks at you like you're crazy.

Gig103		2012-03-18 07:45:26 PM

A non-answer on a touchy subject from a politician? Call me back when there's something worth reporting on.

vartian		2012-03-18 07:46:55 PM

Ambivalence:

This is a big peeve for me. If you have to tell people you're a "great leader" then you aren't. Great leadership is something that is pretty self-evident. The more you have to advertise it, the less you actually have.

It's like being cool, only the stakes are significantly higher.

King Something		2012-03-18 07:47:19 PM

Weaver95: "Before I take a stand, I want to get input [from military leaders] that are there," Romney said on "Fox News Sunday." "General [John] Allen is coming to Washington and testifying about what the conditions are," he noted, adding that some conclusions can already be drawn.

y'know, if Romney had just said 'got me - I don't know why the f*ck we're in afghanistan' then I'd actually have some respect for the guy. He probably doesn't know why we're in that country, nor does anyone else. And if you ask why, then everyone looks at you like you're crazy.

Such an anti-war stance would certainly cost him the nomination, unless Obama had called for a troop level increase in Afghanistan within the 24 hours immediately preceding such statement.

downpaymentblues		2012-03-18 07:48:48 PM

All of Romney's comments in the article are impressive works of DoubleSpeak...

cameroncrazy1984		2012-03-18 07:49:25 PM

Gig103: A non-answer on a touchy subject from a politician? Call me back when there's something worth reporting on.

Yeah, Afghanistan is really one of those subjects that you never see politicians taking a stand on.

Weaver95		2012-03-18 07:52:16 PM

King Something: Such an anti-war stance would certainly cost him the nomination, unless Obama had called for a troop level increase in Afghanistan within the 24 hours immediately preceding such statement.

which actually touches on another point - why the hell is the GOP in favor of war? you can't even BE christian and be in favor of war. Christ didn't say 'skulls for the skull throne', he said 'love one another as you love yourself'. ok, that works for Slaanesh too, but in a much more creepy manner. my POINT here is that you cannot be a follower of a pacifist god and then go out and make war in his name. it don't work like that.

hubiestubert		2012-03-18 07:53:56 PM

Oddly enough, "Motion Blur, Romney" doesn't get the results you might think...

Relatively Obscure		2012-03-18 07:54:26 PM

Weaver95: which actually touches on another point - why the hell is the GOP in favor of war? you can't even BE christian and be in favor of war. Christ didn't say 'skulls for the skull throne', he said 'love one another as you love yourself'. ok, that works for Slaanesh too, but in a much more creepy manner. my POINT here is that you cannot be a follower of a pacifist god and then go out and make war in his name. it don't work like that.

Just like with the wife, it's different and okay if you scream "Why do you make me do this to you?!"

Ed Finnerty		2012-03-18 07:56:58 PM

PROCESSING...PROCESSING...PROCESSING...

b2theory		2012-03-18 07:57:33 PM

Unelectable.

Karac		2012-03-18 08:03:57 PM

"I think it is plain to see conditions are not going very well," Romney said. "And I lay part of the blame on that on the lack of leadership on our president."

"First of all, I would exercise leadership," Romney offered, suggesting he would talk to President Hamid Karzei every day

So Obama isn't leading, and leadership would involve talking to people. Isn't he running to be the candidate of the party that says Obama talks too much - that he's too willing to go the diplomacy route instead of the blind drop bombs everywear option?

GAT_00		2012-03-18 08:06:37 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Gig103: A non-answer on a touchy subject from a politician? Call me back when there's something worth reporting on.

Yeah, Afghanistan is really one of those subjects that you never see politicians taking a stand on.

Yeah, but the GOP and their audience doesn't like nuance. They like being for things and against other things.

So Romney, are you for or against Afghanistan?

Karac		2012-03-18 08:07:06 PM

Karac: "I think it is plain to see conditions are not going very well," Romney said. "And I lay part of the blame on that on the lack of leadership on our president."

"First of all, I would exercise leadership," Romney offered, suggesting he would talk to President Hamid Karzei every day

So Obama isn't leading, and leadership would involve talking to people. Isn't he running to be the candidate of the party that says Obama talks too much - that he's too willing to go the diplomacy route instead of the blindly dropping bombs everywhere option?

OK, I can't even blame those on an autocorrect.

propasaurus		2012-03-18 08:10:48 PM

"First of all, I would exercise leadership," Romney offered, suggesting he would talk to President Hamid Karzei every day.

How long before Karzai starts screening his calls?
"Crap, it's that Romney again. Tell him I'm washing my hair. What's with that creepy stalker calling every damn day?"

revrendjim		2012-03-18 08:14:15 PM

This would be a tough question for me. I understand why we went there, but now we're just pissing in the wind.

NewportBarGuy		2012-03-18 08:16:49 PM

Then maybe he should shut the f*ck up about it.

I'd like us to withdraw immediately and I supported President Obama's attempt to close out that clusterf*ck of a war with a shock to the system. I'm very sorry and know how wrong I was. We didn't do it right after the Taliban fell and there is no going back to those early days where we had a chance to make something work.

"First of all, I would exercise leadership," Romney offered, suggesting he would talk to President Hamid Karzei every day.

What, the President of Kabul? The guy who can't leave his capital city without being whacked? Mittens, go back to vulture capitalism. You are totally out of your league.

DeltaPunch		2012-03-18 08:19:19 PM

"Obama Nuance", a haiku

What's with the nuance?
Whatever Obama wants,
That's what I'm against.

vygramul		2012-03-18 08:38:37 PM

FlashHarry: Schrodinger's candidate is on all sides of every issue all the time.

It's like the quantum Cheneyverse.

dudemanbro		2012-03-18 08:38:43 PM

Romney would not be a good president. Of anything.

You Cant Explain That		2012-03-18 08:40:38 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Gig103: A non-answer on a touchy subject from a politician? Call me back when there's something worth reporting on.

Yeah, Afghanistan is really one of those subjects that ~~you never see politicians taking a stand on~~ a POTUS candidate doesnt need an opinion, nor any knowledge on..

vygramul		2012-03-18 08:40:49 PM

Weaver95: "Before I take a stand, I want to get input [from military leaders] that are there," Romney said on "Fox News Sunday." "General [John] Allen is coming to Washington and testifying about what the conditions are," he noted, adding that some conclusions can already be drawn.

y'know, if Romney had just said 'got me - I don't know why the f*ck we're in afghanistan' then I'd actually have some respect for the guy. He probably doesn't know why we're in that country, nor does anyone else. And if you ask why, then everyone looks at you like you're crazy.

You mean it's not obvious? We are in Afghanistan because the humiliation of leaving outweighs the pain of staying. We did the right thing attacking. We did the wrong thing thinking we should hang out and try to change things. That's what we've been mired in ever since.

cameroncrazy1984		2012-03-18 08:43:24 PM

You Cant Explain That: cameroncrazy1984: Gig103: A non-answer on a touchy subject from a politician? Call me back when there's something worth reporting on.

Yeah, Afghanistan is really one of those subjects that you never see politicians taking a stand on a POTUS candidate doesnt need an opinion, nor any knowledge on..

That is actually better.

mrshowrules		2012-03-18 08:46:58 PM

vygramul		2012-03-18 08:51:53 PM

Weaver95: King Something: Such an anti-war stance would certainly cost him the nomination, unless Obama had called for a troop level increase in Afghanistan within the 24 hours immediately preceding such statement.

which actually touches on another point - why the hell is the GOP in favor of war? you can't even BE christian and be in favor of war. Christ didn't say 'skulls for the skull throne', he said 'love one another as you love yourself'. ok, that works for Slaanesh too, but in a much more creepy manner. my POINT here is that you cannot be a follower of a pacifist god and then go out and make war in his name. it don't work like that.

It's like Mohammed said, "You know what? I'm going to write a book based on how Christians BEHAVE, since we need a way to describe it and the bible doesn't fit."

doglover		2012-03-18 08:54:09 PM

Lando Lincoln		2012-03-18 08:57:03 PM

"First of all, I would exercise leadership," Romney offered, suggesting he would talk to President Hamid Karzei every day.

www.sadanduseless.com

Romney is awesome. We should totally put him in charge.

"Leadership." THAT'S what we've needed all this time! D'oh!

And the calling the Afghani President every day is a nice touch too.

"How's it going today? Oh really? Huh. Well. Yes, we should do something about that. Yes. I see. Okay. Anything else? Okay then, we'll do that, and I'll talk to you tomorrow. Okay then. Bye bye."

omnibus_necanda_sunt		2012-03-18 09:21:29 PM

vygramul: Weaver95: King Something: Such an anti-war stance would certainly cost him the nomination, unless Obama had called for a troop level increase in Afghanistan within the 24 hours immediately preceding such statement.

which actually touches on another point - why the hell is the GOP in favor of war? you can't even BE christian and be in favor of war. Christ didn't say 'skulls for the skull throne', he said 'love one another as you love yourself'. ok, that works for Slaanesh too, but in a much more creepy manner. my POINT here is that you cannot be a follower of a pacifist god and then go out and make war in his name. it don't work like that.

It's like Mohammed said, "You know what? I'm going to write a book based on how Christians BEHAVE, since we need a way to describe it and the bible doesn't fit."

Ha! It's like you think Islam is inherently violent! Just like Judaism is inherently greedy! Read up on Indonesia sometime.

/sigh. People, read the farking books themselves. The Quran isn't that long.

MeinRS6		2012-03-18 09:39:15 PM

I wonder if Romney could start getting more than 33% in the primaries if he went with "I say we nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

nmrsnr		2012-03-18 09:59:37 PM

In principle, I have no problem with saying "I need more information before I can answer that" with regards to Afghanistan. If the answer were followed with something along the lines of "I'd like to talk with the military advisors and see what realistic goals we can accomplish, within what timelines and what cost, and devise a plan of action around such concrete goals that I think are lacking in the current President's approach. At some point, Afghanistan has to stand on its own, but it is our responsibility to make sure we have left them with a sufficient foundation."

But I don't think I'll hear anything like that.

Relatively Obscure		2012-03-18 10:03:47 PM

MeinRS6: I wonder if Romney could start getting more than 33% in the primaries if he went with "I say we nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

Probably. There are a fair number of people who would cheer at "I say we just nuke.." followed by any word other than Jesus.

ThatGuyFromTheInternet		2012-03-18 10:19:07 PM

So he doesn't know what the hell he would do, but he knows that Obama's doing it wrong? Who votes for this guy?!

Gyrfalcon		2012-03-18 10:19:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Gig103: A non-answer on a touchy subject from a politician? Call me back when there's something worth reporting on.

Yeah, Afghanistan is really one of those subjects that you never see politicians taking a stand on.

Now, be fair. Republican politicians are always taking a stand on whatever Obama is doing in Afghanistan this week.

vygramul		2012-03-18 10:23:30 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: vygramul: Weaver95: King Something: Such an anti-war stance would certainly cost him the nomination, unless Obama had called for a troop level increase in Afghanistan within the 24 hours immediately preceding such statement.

which actually touches on another point - why the hell is the GOP in favor of war? you can't even BE christian and be in favor of war. Christ didn't say 'skulls for the skull throne', he said 'love one another as you love yourself'. ok, that works for Slaanesh too, but in a much more creepy manner. my POINT here is that you cannot be a follower of a pacifist god and then go out and make war in his name. it don't work like that.

It's like Mohammed said, "You know what? I'm going to write a book based on how Christians BEHAVE, since we need a way to describe it and the bible doesn't fit."

Ha! It's like you think Islam is inherently violent! Just like Judaism is inherently greedy! Read up on Indonesia sometime.

/sigh. People, read the farking books themselves. The Quran isn't that long.

I didn't say they were violent. You seem to have issues.

/I *did* read it. GOD it's boring. Just like the bible.

quatchi		2012-03-18 10:24:41 PM

Rmoney doesn't have enough info to say what the policy in Afghanistan should actually be but apparently he knows that's it's somehow Obama's fault? Was that what I just heard? Cos that's hilarious.

Craptastic		2012-03-18 10:27:36 PM

MeinRS6: I wonder if Romney could start getting more than 33% in the primaries if he went with "I say we nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

Doesn't matter. You're still going to vote for him in the general election.

Mugato		2012-03-18 10:28:42 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: So he doesn't know what the hell he would do, but he knows that Obama's doing it wrong? Who votes for this guy?!

People who will vote Republican no matter what, that's who.

PonceAlyosha		2012-03-18 10:28:47 PM

Why is Mitt Romney running for president? He has no stands, not objectives, no drive. Why?

verbaltoxin		2012-03-18 10:29:07 PM

The GOP is doing one thing right and that's not making this one about foreign policy, because when they even mention it, it's not good for them.

ThatGuyFromTheInternet		2012-03-18 10:30:10 PM

Mugato: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: So he doesn't know what the hell he would do, but he knows that Obama's doing it wrong? Who votes for this guy?!

People who will vote Republican no matter what, that's who.

Hey, at least Santorum takes stances on things, Wrong ones, but still stances.

PonceAlyosha		2012-03-18 10:30:54 PM

Mugato: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: So he doesn't know what the hell he would do, but he knows that Obama's doing it wrong? Who votes for this guy?!

People who will vote Republican no matter what, that's who.

Romney is the anti-Nixon. Romney can potentially undo the southern strategy, losing the south while winning the Southwest.

A Dark Evil Omen		2012-03-18 10:31:23 PM

PonceAlyosha: Why is Mitt Romney running for president? He has no stands, not objectives, no drive. Why?

Power is its own purpose. To share it is to dilute it.

TommyDeuce		2012-03-18 10:36:22 PM

So is it just me, or did he flip-flop during the course of that interview?

Forgot_my_password_again		2012-03-18 10:36:31 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Hey, at least Santorum takes stances on things, Wrong ones, but still stances.

thats why Ricky scares me, he actually believes the crap he says.

Rmoney will say whatever to get elected.

runwiz		2012-03-18 10:36:32 PM

Give Fox News some credit for asking Romney a question about a real issue facing the country. Of course, that's probably why it took him bu surprise and he didn't know how to answer it in a way that would cost him the least amount of votes. Plus, he had some trouble providing the answer Fox News wanted until he finally got around to blaming Obama. Just like the failure in our withdrawal from Iraq although he could not cite any specific as to why that's been a failure. And it's good to know that Mitt's idea of leadership is that he'll talk to Karzai every day. I think he should just turn Afghanistan over to the people at Bain Capital. They can buy Afghanistan at a distressed price, strip the unprofitable parts of anything of value before cutting those parts loose, and then selling what's left of Afghanistan at a profit.

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