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(Quad City Times)   Nineteen year-old gets ten years in prison for having consensual sex with a fourteen year-old   (qctimes.com) divider line 460
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-03-17 10:43:30 AM
Was it the same girl as the first time?
 
2012-03-17 11:07:39 AM
Dude, SHE'S 14!
 
2012-03-17 11:20:55 AM
If I'm reading this right, it looks like they went out of their way to do nearly EVERYTHING they could possibly do to get in trouble with the law.

Let the dude rot.
 
2012-03-17 11:40:06 AM

Shostie: If I'm reading this right, it looks like they went out of their way to do nearly EVERYTHING they could possibly do to get in trouble with the law.

Let the dude rot.


Pretty damn much.

After a plea for time served, he went back and violated his parole, and then went online to chat about it. She's 14. Get over it.

Let it go, man. Let it go...
 
2012-03-17 11:49:59 AM
When I was his age, we called those girls "molestees." The tended to be very forward about wanting sex.
 
2012-03-17 11:58:08 AM

AcneVulgaris: When I was his age, we called those girls "molestees." The tended to be very forward about wanting sex.


When I was teaching, I got propositioned by students. I saw girls who were in middle school make advances on grown men and older students--and we tried to get them some damn help. Because if they're looking for it that young, there is something going on at home that is jacked up beyond all measure.

This isn't just on the poor dumb bastiche's head, but on a whole sea of things that went awry, but going back after you get out on parole is Weapons Grade Stoopid....
 
2012-03-17 12:32:45 PM
So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.
 
2012-03-17 12:43:14 PM

doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.


Dude...she's 14.
 
2012-03-17 12:53:05 PM
no subby, he's getting 10 years in prison for violating his probation


/reading comprehension
//get some
 
2012-03-17 12:53:49 PM

doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.



Oh really? Because I'm pretty sure that 19 year olds are adults and 14 year olds are KIDS.

Seriously....I can't even imagine making a play for 14 year old girls when I was a freshman/sophomore in college.

/Dude.
//She's 14.
 
2012-03-17 01:00:16 PM
Scott County District Judge Mark Cleve sentenced 19-year-old Jessie Thomas Grams to 10 years in prison after he was found to have violated his probation for third-degree sex abuse.

This is why he's going away for ten years.
 
2012-03-17 01:01:50 PM
Disagree with the law all you want, but once you're convicted and given nothing but probation... DON'T VIOLATE PROBATION. JUST DON'T.
 
2012-03-17 01:09:01 PM

doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.


Not only was he already on probation for third degree sexual assault, but he was chatting on Facebook about having sex with an underage girl.

A 19 year old marrying a 65 year old is kinda creepy, but they're also both legally adults.
 
2012-03-17 01:10:24 PM
Why is he nineteen and still in high school?
 
2012-03-17 01:11:09 PM
I'll bet they give rapists ten years all the time for non-consensual sex.
 
2012-03-17 01:21:01 PM

OregonVet: Why is he nineteen and still in high school?


Judging by his recent activities, he's not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. That's probably why.
 
2012-03-17 01:33:20 PM

Shostie: he's not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree


QFT
 
2012-03-17 01:54:05 PM

Aar1012: doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.

Dude...she's 14.


I recall 12-year-olds in Tennessee could legally marry with parents' consent back in the 1970s. Even met a girl who was married at 12, had a baby by 13, and divorced at 14. Funny how they changed the law there recently.

Also, while visiting relatives in TN on the 70s, hung out with a kid, who's dad, a minister at 53, was married to a 17-year-old chick and had a baby with her. Both my friend and I had more in common with his stepmom than she had with her husband.

I think the guy screwed up with the probation violation. But 10 years in prison? The sex was consentual though not appropriate. Sounds like he got sentenced for forceable rape rather than stautory.

I'm a bit uncomfortable with how we treat young people having sex with the law and how the laws change from state to state. Bristol Palin, daughter of Sarah Palin, was underage when she had sex with Levi Johnston who was 18 so under Alaskan law, all was cool, but under Arizona law (John McCain's state) he'd be a felon. Way too strange how we try to use the law to keep our kids from having sex within their own age groups as well as old men.
 
2012-03-17 01:59:46 PM
The quality of Fark greenies has gone down hill for a long time, and this is a perfect example of how low it has become
 
2012-03-17 02:07:37 PM
That 5 will get you 10.
 
2012-03-17 02:31:00 PM
He should have tried to hook up a threesome, so it would have been like one 28-year-old.
 
2012-03-17 02:45:06 PM

OregonVet: Why is he nineteen and still in high school?


there'll be lots of 19 year old high schoolers relatively soon.
 
2012-03-17 02:52:13 PM

downstairs: Disagree with the law all you want, but once you're convicted and given nothing but probation... DON'T VIOLATE PROBATION. JUST DON'T.


And if for some reason you do violate probation, DON'T BRAG ABOUT IT ON FACEBOOK. JUST DON'T.

/actually, this applies for any crime you knowingly commit
 
2012-03-17 02:55:44 PM
www.bimmerfest.com

Is it though?
 
2012-03-17 04:22:10 PM

OregonVet: Why is he nineteen and still in high school?


Reading TFA, I'm going to go ahead and say that the boy just might be a tad stupid.
 
2012-03-17 04:38:15 PM
Had the genders been reversed there would have been no prison time.
 
2012-03-17 04:38:42 PM

basemetal: Dude, SHE'S 14!


THIS.

Many/most states have "Romeo & Juliet" laws which give leeway in age of consent affairs to prevent a scenario like an 18 year old and a 17 year old from going to prison if the Age of Consent was 18. . .but a 19 year old and a 14 year old? That's not going to be covered anywhere.

If you're old enough to be a College Sophomore (I was when I was 19), and dating a girl old enough to be a High School Freshman. . .you might want to re-think sex.

Seriously, wait a couple of years. In this state at least the AoC is 16. Can't marry without parental consent until you're 18, and there are the Federal laws about nude pics and such if you're under 18. . .but to do the deed itself as long as you're 16 you're legally clear (IANAL).
 
2012-03-17 04:38:50 PM

namegoeshere: OregonVet: Why is he nineteen and still in high school?

Reading TFA, I'm going to go ahead and say that the boy just might be a tad stupid.


Depends on when he started school and if he was held back. I was one of the "Older seniors" as I turned 18 right at the start of my senior year of high school then 19 right when I became a Freshman in College.
 
2012-03-17 04:40:09 PM
Niiiiiice.
 
2012-03-17 04:40:51 PM

Bathia_Mapes: doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.

Not only was he already on probation for third degree sexual assault, but he was chatting on Facebook about having sex with an underage girl.

A 19 year old marrying a 65 year old is kinda creepy, but they're also both legally adults.


Why? Because we say at 18 you're magically an adult? What about people who develop early?
 
2012-03-17 04:40:52 PM

hubiestubert: Because if they're looking for it that young, there is something going on at home that is jacked up beyond all measure.


LOL damn son what's it like to be that repressed? Or is it that you're so old you can't remember what it's like to be that age. So you're trying to get "help" (gimmie a farking break) for a 14 year old girl who is hormonal and wants to have sex, so you must be doing the same for the boys that same age right?
 
2012-03-17 04:42:31 PM
A wagging tail is not consent.
 
2012-03-17 04:43:33 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: Bathia_Mapes: doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.

Not only was he already on probation for third degree sexual assault, but he was chatting on Facebook about having sex with an underage girl.

A 19 year old marrying a 65 year old is kinda creepy, but they're also both legally adults.

Why? Because we say at 18 you're magically an adult?


Yeah, pretty much. Seems more practical than having every teenager take some sort of physical/intellectual/emotional maturity test or something in order to be designated as an adult.
 
2012-03-17 04:43:46 PM
If this happened in Tennessee, her parents could have forced him to marry her.

That's worth more than 10 years in hell.
 
2012-03-17 04:43:52 PM
At least it's two students this time.

Not sure from the article if he's still in school or not, but it looks like he may have been eighteen and in school when the offence took place.
 
2012-03-17 04:44:31 PM
but if this 19 year old 'senior in high school' were to have sex with a 45 year old man, he would have been repeatedly identified in the MSM as 'the teen' or 'the boy'. Yet, in this instance, he is 'the man'.

Funny how that works, isn't it?
 
2012-03-17 04:44:34 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: Bathia_Mapes: doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.

Not only was he already on probation for third degree sexual assault, but he was chatting on Facebook about having sex with an underage girl.

A 19 year old marrying a 65 year old is kinda creepy, but they're also both legally adults.

Why? Because we say at 18 you're magically an adult? What about people who develop early?


Pedophile alert.

//because you have to draw the line somewhere and say that is it.
 
2012-03-17 04:45:08 PM

basemetal: Dude, SHE'S 14!


I would just like to point out that nowhere does the article mention that the 14 year old was a she. In fact they seem to have gone out of their way to avoid mentions of the victim's gender.
 
2012-03-17 04:45:25 PM
needs more pics

that is all
 
2012-03-17 04:45:49 PM
NOT OK!

mommyrhetoric.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-03-17 04:46:09 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Dr J Zoidberg: Bathia_Mapes: doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.

Not only was he already on probation for third degree sexual assault, but he was chatting on Facebook about having sex with an underage girl.

A 19 year old marrying a 65 year old is kinda creepy, but they're also both legally adults.

Why? Because we say at 18 you're magically an adult?

Yeah, pretty much. Seems more practical than having every teenager take some sort of physical/intellectual/emotional maturity test or something in order to be designated as an adult.


The dude's an idiot. But things aren't so cut and dry about development. The age of consent in Spain is 14 IIRC
 
2012-03-17 04:46:21 PM
His cellies won't mind one bit that he's 19.
 
2012-03-17 04:46:27 PM
Sex with a minor is so much different than sex with adult. One is still mentally immature and also illegal, the other isn't.

FYI, there are places called bars and clubs where legal age women are looking for sex.
 
2012-03-17 04:47:37 PM

KangTheMad: Dr J Zoidberg: Bathia_Mapes: doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.

Not only was he already on probation for third degree sexual assault, but he was chatting on Facebook about having sex with an underage girl.

A 19 year old marrying a 65 year old is kinda creepy, but they're also both legally adults.

Why? Because we say at 18 you're magically an adult? What about people who develop early?

Pedophile alert.

//because you have to draw the line somewhere and say that is it.


Well it does kind of suck for us Humans. We reach sexual maturity before we are all grown up in other places (in the head, we have a big brain and it takes awhile to mature)
 
2012-03-17 04:48:07 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: Why? Because we say at 18 you're magically an adult? What about people who develop early?


The human brain doesn't slow development until the early to mid 20s. Teenagers have trouble controlling their emotions and long term planning. They aren't good at making decisions.

Be angry and rail against the world all you want, but you're still a dumb kid at 18.
 
2012-03-17 04:48:46 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: Why? Because we say at 18 you're magically an adult? What about people who develop early?


1mut.com
 
2012-03-17 04:48:50 PM

hubiestubert: When I was teaching, I got propositioned by students. I saw girls who were in middle school make advances on grown men and older students--and we tried to get them some damn help. Because if they're looking for it that young, there is something going on at home that is jacked up beyond all measure.


That "something going on" is colloquially referred to as "puberty". There's really nothing unusual about 14-year-olds of either gender being very, very horny; that's the effect of their brains swimming in a sea of hormones.

Of course it's a bad idea for them to act on those desires, but it's hardly unusual for them to HAVE such desires.
 
2012-03-17 04:49:15 PM
For me, the question of whether the law is right or wrong comes down to whether it serves to alleviate or stop suffering, or whether it is actually causing more suffering. While what he did is obviously wrong, with what little information we have I'm going to gamble on this being overkill.

The issues that have the girl jumping older guys were likely there before this guy came along, and assuming she's already been doing the rounds with others then I doubt his acts with her caused much more suffering, compared to the suffering he and his family will now have as well as the cost to society of locking away someone for 10 years.

I guess the positive spin is that it serves to be preventative if the guy was likely to re-offend, but prison is a poor cousin to proper rehabilitation if it's determined that the guy actually has problems to that end.

/meh, not even my country, but it's still sad to see.
 
2012-03-17 04:49:32 PM

natmar_76: Sex with a minor is so much different than sex with adult. One is still mentally immature and also illegal, the other isn't.

FYI, there are places called bars and clubs where legal age women are looking for sex.


But he can't enter them for 2 more years.
 
2012-03-17 04:50:28 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Dr J Zoidberg: Bathia_Mapes: doglover: So we've sent a 19 year old boy to jail for 10 years for consummating his love with a girl 5 years younger. Meanwhile. the 19 year old college girl who married the 65 year old archeologist guy is just A-OK? The law is broken. Very, very broken.

Not only was he already on probation for third degree sexual assault, but he was chatting on Facebook about having sex with an underage girl.

A 19 year old marrying a 65 year old is kinda creepy, but they're also both legally adults.

Why? Because we say at 18 you're magically an adult?

Yeah, pretty much. Seems more practical than having every teenager take some sort of physical/intellectual/emotional maturity test or something in order to be designated as an adult.

The dude's an idiot. But things aren't so cut and dry about development. The age of consent in Spain is 14 IIRC


Ok, so what's your suggestion? Establish a federal age of consent at 14?
 
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