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2012-03-17 02:12:26 PM

penthesilea: Don't Troll Me Bro!: It makes me sad when I see what some of my friends with children are doing.
-setting up "playdates,"
-not letting their 8y/o cross the street with friends to play in the park.
'One of the friends lives down the block (maybe 4 houses down) and the parents walk him over.


Those parents may not be doing that because they want to, but rather because the have to. It's a community-level problem. I read the Free-Range Kids blog and there is an unending stream of articles about a parent getting in trouble for letting their kid play in the front yard, walk to school, or ride their bike. Neighbors see a kid walking to a friends house or park and they call the police.

The stupid thing is, the police don't roll their eyes and tell the neighbor to calm the fark down. Nope, they tell the parent of the OMG!Danger! of letting the kid out of their sight for even one second. They also usually imply that it better not happen again.


I probably didn't word that in the best way. I don't completely blame them, and I'm aware there are places like that. Either way it makes me sad and angry because these kids are being denied a proper childhood (or at least what I'd consider proper). This whole "think of the children" thing has gone way too far and is very bad for the children in the long run. I've told the ladyfriend that I'd love to have kids, but not if we still live in the U.S. Between this snowflake shiat and our public education being systematically gutted for decades I'd never want to deal with parenthood here.
 
2012-03-17 02:12:34 PM
Why don't we start encasing every child in a germ-free plastic bubble, so they don't get as much as the sniffles
 
2012-03-17 02:14:09 PM
What a bunch of dumbass biatches. Two of the most common fatal poisons for children are salt and vitamin pills likeD and iron. Of course you die without them.They're so farking stupid they'll probably buy organic food too.
 
2012-03-17 02:14:25 PM

FishyFred: No. Just put them in the bubble.

Stop ruining playthings for the rest of us. I grew up on a wooden playground. Those splinters were WORTH IT.


I remember running around my back yard with friends. One day I stepped on a piece of metal and cut my foot. Dad took me to the doctor for a tetnus shot.

Next day, I was back out there playing.
 
2012-03-17 02:15:05 PM

Trance750: Why don't we start encasing every child in a germ-free plastic bubble, so they don't get as much as the sniffles


I laughed, until I realized there are people that think that way for real.
 
2012-03-17 02:16:50 PM
I think I will let my kids play with guns.... as I did. It teaches responsibility.
 
2012-03-17 02:17:16 PM

Canton:
Let kids play in the dirt, get some fresh air, and use their imaginations. Teach them proper hygiene, and not to play in the medicine cabinet, and that drinking Windex is a Bad Idea, but let 'em grow. Geez.


It is? But how else will you prevent them from streaking?
 
2012-03-17 02:20:24 PM
Dad was a commercial artist and draftsman whose work space was in the house. Rubber cement, x-acto knives, turpentine, oil paints, spray adhesives and clear coats. Mom was in advertising and did some of her own photography. Darkroom chemicals. Grandparents lived in the country and had a pond and a small fishing boat with a 15hp outboard motor. Gasoline, oil, live baits, treble hook lures, snakes, frogs and stinging insects. God knows what food additives and chemicals we ingested. Mom smoked cigarettes, dad a pipe, and grand dad cigars. We also got spanked . Usually deserved.
 
2012-03-17 02:23:32 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: When the 3 year old niece is told to go wash her hands for dinner, and she asks "Is that anti-bacterial soap?", you know something is wrong.

/kid is semi adult now, and every week it's some new ailment


I've got cousins like that. They're adults now, and both of them are sickly. Allergic to pretty much everything you can think of. They end up with every flu and cold that comes around, and take twice as long to recover as the rest of us. Parents should've let them get dirty growing up.
 
2012-03-17 02:24:00 PM
www.moviefancentral.com

I SAID GET IN.
 
2012-03-17 02:24:55 PM
In Kansas in the early 70's, we would build tree houses and have dirt-clod fights. Came home absolutely filthy. Shower and some lever2000 and we were golden.
 
2012-03-17 02:26:02 PM

NeoCortex42: Canton:
Let kids play in the dirt, get some fresh air, and use their imaginations. Teach them proper hygiene, and not to play in the medicine cabinet, and that drinking Windex is a Bad Idea, but let 'em grow. Geez.

It is? But how else will you prevent them from streaking?


Oh, ultimately you can't, provided they get into college.
 
2012-03-17 02:27:37 PM

ZzeusS: In Kansas in the early 70's, we would build tree houses and have dirt-clod fights. Came home absolutely filthy. Shower and some lever2000 and we were golden.


Lever2000? F*cking snobs.
 
2012-03-17 02:29:27 PM
Dear People With First-World Problems;

Any article that uses the word "toxins" refers to pseudoscientific bullshiat, not actual science. Be warned.

Also, see "holistic", "synergy", "chelation", "cleanse", and "organic".

Note that while these are all real words (well, maybe not synergy) with actual meanings and legitimate uses, trust me, nothing you are encountering casually or in the context of someone selling something falls into such a category. If you hear any of these words from a doctor, double-check that she is the "MD" kind of doctor, then triple-check by checking with your state's actual regulatory agency. If you see them in a newspaper, you should already know the article is complete shiat from the fact that it's a health article in a newspaper and those are always, always wrong.

Yours truly,
Jim
 
2012-03-17 02:33:02 PM

Jim_Callahan: Dear People With First-World Problems;

Any article that uses the word "toxins" refers to pseudoscientific bullshiat, not actual science. Be warned.

Also, see "holistic", "synergy", "chelation", "cleanse", and "organic".

Note that while these are all real words (well, maybe not synergy) with actual meanings and legitimate uses, trust me, nothing you are encountering casually or in the context of someone selling something falls into such a category. If you hear any of these words from a doctor, double-check that she is the "MD" kind of doctor, then triple-check by checking with your state's actual regulatory agency. If you see them in a newspaper, you should already know the article is complete shiat from the fact that it's a health article in a newspaper and those are always, always wrong.

Yours truly,
Jim


Add "copacetic" to that list.

"Chelation?"
 
2012-03-17 02:33:31 PM

Burke Turkey: Oh look, it's this thread again.

But really, the article has a point.


Yeah, I was expecting the usual "if I can't pronounce it, it must be bad" theme but this article was quite reasonable.
 
2012-03-17 02:37:30 PM

Curious: i was going to rag on the writer and folks who worry their household wiring will get them. but now i can go to home depot and get an EMF meter (new window) and join them.


Um... what's wrong with Home Depot having an EMF meter? Kind of important to find the wiring in the walls before you stick a bunch of nails into it.

//Or I guess, more realistically, to check whether major wiring goes through a wall before you try to remove it entirely, that alters a project considerably.
 
2012-03-17 02:37:52 PM
This is where frail, whining little sissies come from. Precious little Maya, Eyal and Calliope will have to endure a lifetime of ass-kickings thanks to this nonsense.

Oh, and I'll bet two of the three will turn out to be allergic to peanuts.
 
2012-03-17 02:43:43 PM
Maybe if we convince people that things around the house aren't safe they will let kids play outside again.

/grew up in the big city
//in the mid to late 80's
///still ran around outside with friends without supervision
 
2012-03-17 02:45:19 PM
some of that seems over the top. But a lot of furniture and storage containers seem to off-gas, by which I mean you get strong chemical smells coming off them for long periods of time. Makes me wonder if toxic stuff is getting into my lungs.

But then I'm asthmatic/allergic and sometimes feel weird in Wal-Mart and other big box stores. That feeling of being weak and spaced-out. I think it's from the random chemicals floating in the air. I grew up in the 70's and clearly remember this happening in Ben Franklin(?) (a big craft & random crap store like Michael's or Hobby Lobby) so this ain't exactly new.
 
2012-03-17 02:45:53 PM

thamike: "Chelation?"


The for-reals meaning of the word is the coordination of organic (meaning "carbon-based") molecules to metal ions. It's used in nutritional supplements to increase the ability of the body to absorb metal nutrients. A variant is used to do basically the opposite to heavy metals: if you're in imminent danger of lead, arsenic, or mercury poisoning you'll be fed certain compounds that coordinate to the ions in question and then become incompatible with human biology, so you excrete the metal as an inert.

The fake-medicine quackery version is to feed you something that will "leech the toxins from your body". Basically the same thing as a "cleanse" but used when the person recommending it to you wants to trick you into thinking they have some sort of technical credentials, like how Chiropractors sometimes claim to be equivalent to doctors.
 
2012-03-17 02:46:09 PM

Hubris Boy: This is where frail, whining little sissies come from. Precious little Maya, Eyal and Calliope will have to endure a lifetime of ass-kickings thanks to this nonsense.

Oh, and I'll bet two of the three will turn out to be allergic to peanuts.


Come on, who beats the sh*t out of someone named Calliope?
 
2012-03-17 02:47:09 PM

Jim_Callahan: thamike: "Chelation?"

The for-reals meaning of the word is the coordination of organic (meaning "carbon-based") molecules to metal ions. It's used in nutritional supplements to increase the ability of the body to absorb metal nutrients. A variant is used to do basically the opposite to heavy metals: if you're in imminent danger of lead, arsenic, or mercury poisoning you'll be fed certain compounds that coordinate to the ions in question and then become incompatible with human biology, so you excrete the metal as an inert.

The fake-medicine quackery version is to feed you something that will "leech the toxins from your body". Basically the same thing as a "cleanse" but used when the person recommending it to you wants to trick you into thinking they have some sort of technical credentials, like how Chiropractors sometimes claim to be equivalent to doctors.


Thanks. I love the internet.
 
2012-03-17 02:48:05 PM

spoonman: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x350]


came for this
 
2012-03-17 02:50:02 PM
It was real simple when I was a kid. I was told to go play and don't come home till the streetlights come on.
 
2012-03-17 02:51:32 PM

thamike: ZzeusS: In Kansas in the early 70's, we would build tree houses and have dirt-clod fights. Came home absolutely filthy. Shower and some lever2000 and we were golden.

Lever2000? F*cking snobs.



We made out like bandits with the savings from using bread bags in our galoshes.
 
2012-03-17 02:52:05 PM
Laura MacCleery was four months pregnant when she went insane.

Jim_Callahan: thamike: "Chelation?"

The for-reals meaning of the word is...you'll be fed certain compounds that coordinate to the ions in question and then become incompatible with human biology, so you excrete the metal as an inert..

The fake-medicine quackery version is to feed you something that will "leech the toxins from your body"



Um, yeah, i can totally see that one is not like the other. You might want to refine your post a bit to make the two things more different.
 
2012-03-17 02:57:59 PM
It is my opinion that every child should somehow be raised by Ron Swanson.
 
2012-03-17 02:58:44 PM
Chemo-phobia is real folks.

Much like whacko conservatives are scared of names they can't pronounce, Whacko liberals are scared of ingredients they can't pronounce.
 
2012-03-17 03:03:10 PM

Jim_Callahan: thamike: "Chelation?"

The for-reals meaning of the word is the coordination of organic (meaning "carbon-based") molecules to metal ions. It's used in nutritional supplements to increase the ability of the body to absorb metal nutrients. A variant is used to do basically the opposite to heavy metals: if you're in imminent danger of lead, arsenic, or mercury poisoning you'll be fed certain compounds that coordinate to the ions in question and then become incompatible with human biology, so you excrete the metal as an inert.

The fake-medicine quackery version is to feed you something that will "leech the toxins from your body". Basically the same thing as a "cleanse" but used when the person recommending it to you wants to trick you into thinking they have some sort of technical credentials, like how Chiropractors sometimes claim to be equivalent to doctors.


All I'm taking from that post is my kids can eat coins.
 
2012-03-17 03:03:44 PM
Good god, I'm glad my wife didn't go TOTALLY FARKING CUCKOO like this over-privileged suburban nut. We try to buy local or organic food and stuff like that, and we'll make our own baby food. But like 90% of the country, we can't afford to have a bassinet custom made by Amish carpenters, buy all-organic cotton baby clothes, or throw out hundreds of dollars worth of products because we don't like the looks of the ingredients list.

By the time the inventory was over, "I threw out, I would say, all but three or four of the items," she said. "Everything was toxic. Everything."

Yep. Cuckoo.
 
2012-03-17 03:04:23 PM

Burke Turkey: /remember when DDT's were acceptable?


Yes I do. And if we went back to using them, we'd save orders of magnitudes more lives currently lost to malaria than we'd lose because of DDT. But hey, it's only black and brown people who die, so who cares?

Banning DDT has been one of the biggest worldwide public health disasters for decades.
 
2012-03-17 03:04:33 PM
In the Anthropology of Human Nature class I took, most of the emphasis was on hormones and how they control everything in the body. Some of these chemicals act just like hormones in your body.

Hormones are the chemical messengers used by cells. Cell A emits a hormone. Hormone goes to Cell B, where it triggers the synthesis of a specific protein or several protein, plus the release of other hormones that make their way to other cells.

Inserting extra hormones means the wrong mix of proteins are made, leading to problems. We're talking issues ranging from decision making (since cognition is itself is dependent on protein manufacturing) and emotional and developmental issues, to physical illnesses.

The issue is that the only way to eliminate false hormones from the environment is to roll back society to pre-industrialization. The genie is out of the bottle. This stuff is in the food you eat, the water you drink, the air you breathe. You cannot disentangle yourself from these things.

The only real question is toxicity. Exposure to what concentrations of what chemicals cause actual problems? And often it isn't one chemical, it is a combination that is suspected of causing problems. You could have five chemicals that, tested separately, are perfectly fine but when present in the environment together cause these issues. Certain people may be genetically predisposed toward these issues; in fact, chemical exposure is considered one of the primary drivers of current human evolution as those who are naturally more resilient to the toxic stew around us become more reproductively successful than those who are less resilient.

You can't effectively test for these things, you can't just ban "chemicals" and as bad as some people think they are these chemicals aren't nearly as bad for kids as conditions were before these chemicals started being used. Which world would you like to live in, one where you make your own everything or modern society? Being part of the modern world entails certain risks and costs, and you do not have the option to just not live there. These chemicals are a fact of life.
 
2012-03-17 03:06:15 PM
Ultimately, you're never going to be totally safe.

Deal with it.
 
2012-03-17 03:11:00 PM
Somebody ought to warn these people about DMHO!!

As for risk, back in the '70s I started running the streets all over town (Baltimore City, which was a pit then too) when I was 10 and hitchhiked to Florida and back, alone, when I was 12. More road trips followed: at hitched to and all over California, including living on the streets in Berkeley for a couple months. This was during the serial killer heyday, but the worst I ever got was having to let some geezer blow me for a ride across the desert.

Mind you nobody gave me permission to such shiat, in fact I got in what seemed like a lot of trouble several times, but still. So when I hear how kids today are growing up I want to gag: crossing the continent on your own might be a bit much, but crossing the street should be taken for granted.

If you're worried about your snowflake's safety get it in martial arts classes as soon as it starts school. (That's one thing I'd've benefited from.) And if you insist on hovering then hold your kid's hand while youse hitch to Frisco.
 
2012-03-17 03:15:22 PM
The One True TheDavid:

Somebody ought to warn these people about DMHO!!

Oh wait, it's DHMO. I keep getting it confused with DMSO, stuff people would dissolve LSD & PCP into.

As for risk, back in the '70s I started running the streets all over town (Baltimore City, which was a pit then too) when I was 10 and hitchhiked to Florida and back, alone, when I was 12. More road trips followed: at hitched to and all over California, including living on the streets in Berkeley for a couple months. This was during the serial killer heyday, but the worst I ever got was having to let some geezer blow me for a ride across the desert.

Mind you nobody gave me permission to such shiat, in fact I got in what seemed like a lot of trouble several times, but still. So when I hear how kids today are growing up I want to gag: crossing the continent on your own might be a bit much, but crossing the street should be taken for granted.

If you're worried about your snowflake's safety get it in martial arts classes as soon as it starts school. (That's one thing I'd've benefited from.) And if you insist on hovering then hold your kid's hand while youse hitch to Frisco.
 
2012-03-17 03:17:05 PM

GungFu: LeroyBourne: I feel bad for parents like this, and their children will resent them for keeping them sheltered for their best years.


Some of the adventures I had with my friends when I was a kid were some of the happiest days I've ever had. At least it seems that way, as seen through with nostalgic eyes, perhaps. But nonetheless, the fact they are there and are like that is still an awesome thing.

We used to bike for hours, and go canoeing at a park, mucking about in the water, go exploring in derelict buildings, play football from the morning till it was dark, go stealing from shops to stock up on the day's necessities - usually just soft drinks and crisps, go to the golf course and steal golf balls on the fairway and have target practice on ourselves using them, go skateboarding and playing hide and seek in multi-storey car parks which were almost pitch black and rather dangerous and so on...

We were about 8 or 9. Great times. Scrapes, bruises, torn clothing were just part of the adventures we had. Man up, pussies. Slap your biatch mom around for making you such a useless form of life.


Sounds just like my childhood too. Just add, getting stitches just about every summer.
 
2012-03-17 03:18:30 PM

Jim_Callahan: Dear People With First-World Problems;

Any article that uses the word "toxins" refers to pseudoscientific bullshiat, not actual science. Be warned.

Also, see "holistic", "synergy", "chelation", "cleanse", and "organic".

Note that while these are all real words (well, maybe not synergy) with actual meanings and legitimate uses, trust me, nothing you are encountering casually or in the context of someone selling something falls into such a category. If you hear any of these words from a doctor, double-check that she is the "MD" kind of doctor, then triple-check by checking with your state's actual regulatory agency. If you see them in a newspaper, you should already know the article is complete shiat from the fact that it's a health article in a newspaper and those are always, always wrong.

Yours truly,
Jim


You died in 2007. And synergy is a real word. It's any interactions that result in consilience or crepuscitude.
 
2012-03-17 03:21:20 PM
At least the article avoided mentioning the toxin GTFO.
 
2012-03-17 03:23:42 PM

ZzeusS: We made out like bandits with the savings from using bread bags in our galoshes.


I bet they were Wonderbread bags, you sniveling fop!
 
2012-03-17 03:28:02 PM

dready zim: Um, yeah, i can totally see that one is not like the other. You might want to refine your post a bit to make the two things more different.


You might want to read the rest of that paragraph instead of stopping where you cut off the quote? The difference is that quacks claim to be able to use the technique to remove basically anything, especially the numerous conveniently unnamed "toxins" that are leeching your energy and so on. Anyone that paid attention in high school chem can tell you that it wouldn't work with anything that's not a large metal ion, but a lot of people make a lot of money off the fact that apparently most of us didn't.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: All I'm taking from that post is my kids can eat coins.


Coins don't contain more than some trace impurities of heavy metals, at least not in the US. We make our coins from tin and then generally coat them with nickel or copper. If you grab a coin made during WW2 it might be steel instead, and some of the really old ones are silver-plated.

So... they can, actually. Unless they have a relevant allergy (Ni allergies are uncommon but not unheard of, they're the reason people that sell earrings will generally tell you exactly what the pin is made of) they'll be fine. I mean, I guess swallowing a solid disk is probably a bad idea for other reasons and if they down enough pennies there actually is such a thing as copper poisoning at extremely high doses. But still.
 
2012-03-17 03:31:20 PM

Trance750: Why don't we start encasing every child in a germ-free plastic bubble, so they don't get as much as the sniffles


B-but--the plastic bubble will leach TOXINS!
 
2012-03-17 03:33:20 PM

Burke Turkey: Oh look, it's this thread again.
But really, the article has a point. The amount of non tested and toxic shiat we (humans) are putting into our bodies every day is worrisome. People still microwave food in cheap plastic - one of the worst things you can do, in terms of BPA and other chemicals releasing, and then ingesting them.
I've switched over to glass everything for my containers.
Hell, even beer cans have liners with BPA in them.
Chemical contaminants are a fun topic to bash on here, but it is a VERY real problem. However, the problem is so massive that it's too late to start cataloging and preventing some chemicals from reaching- we brewed this soup, now we live in it.
/remember when DDT's were acceptable? Yeah...


You're right, and I don't have a beef with your point of view. I just feel like it's hopeless to start obsessing over it, for the very reason that you mention.

I quit microwaving in plastic, but I drink water out of plastic containers all day long. And my water is probably full of chemicals too. We made this bed, now we get to sleep in it.
FOREVER.
 
2012-03-17 03:42:18 PM

cryinoutloud: I quit microwaving in plastic, but I drink water out of plastic containers all day long. And my water is probably full of chemicals too. We made this bed, now we get to sleep in it.
FOREVER.


Hard plastic is typically a pure polymer or copolymer, it's only when you start getting into softeners and so on that things get dodgy. So unless you're drinking constantly from one of those squeezable sippy cups from the '80s you can probably stop worrying.

And water standards are for the most part pretty anal too, so if you live near a major source that's monitored regularly you can stop worrying about that as well. I guess if you live near a small city that supplies off a border river or something, you may keep worrying if you want, though.
 
2012-03-17 03:46:20 PM

Jim_Callahan: And water standards are for the most part pretty anal too.


I knew there was reason to worry about that water.
 
2012-03-17 03:55:52 PM

Jim_Callahan: We make our coins from tin and then generally coat them with nickel or copper.


Actually, none of today's U.S. coins contain tin. Pennies are copper-coated zinc, and nickels, dimes, and quarters are copper with nickel coatings (nickels having more nickel coating than non-nickels). Golden dollar coins are also mostly copper, with an alloy coating.

Pennies in 1943 were zinc-coated steel, because they needed copper for artillery shells. Enough empty shells were coming back from the field that 1944 pennies were made from them, which is kinda cool.

In any case, swallowing a penny isn't going to kill anyone, but copper toxicity is a real thing. The EPA's allowed levels of copper are magnitudes higher than, say, arsenic.
 
2012-03-17 03:57:35 PM
Wanting Johnson & Johnson to take cancer causing chemicals out of baby shampoo in the US like they already have in other countries: good

Not buying BPA plastic items for your baby: good

Freaking out about EVERYTHING: bad
 
2012-03-17 03:58:06 PM

Trance750: Why don't we start encasing every child in a germ-free plastic bubble, so they don't get as much as the sniffles


images.wikia.com

Agrees.
 
2012-03-17 04:01:17 PM

thamike: ZzeusS: We made out like bandits with the savings from using bread bags in our galoshes.

I bet they were Wonderbread bags, you sniveling fop!



Luxury!

That was top shelf stuff. We had lots of orange bags, which means Wheat. We didn't get that fancy rich kid's white bread.
 
2012-03-17 04:03:54 PM

ZzeusS: Luxury!

That was top shelf stuff. We had lots of orange bags, which means Wheat. We didn't get that fancy rich kid's white bread.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Stupid f*ckin' white bread.
 
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