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(ESPN)   LeBron James says Dwight Howard's "Decision" dilemma is nothing like his, as LeBron's went, "dun dun dun dun-dun-dun-dun" and Howard's went, "dun dun DUN dun-dun-dun-dun"   (espn.go.com) divider line 85
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2012-03-17 03:00:04 AM
Well, Howard did take the time to stop, collaborate and listen.
 
2012-03-17 03:15:37 AM
It's that itty bitty ting...it's not the same.
 
2012-03-17 03:59:47 AM
A1A, Beachfront Avenue!
 
2012-03-17 08:13:28 AM
Will he ever stop?
 
2012-03-17 08:59:58 AM
Howard didn't make his announcement on a nationally televised special.
 
2012-03-17 09:22:24 AM
Dwight, why don't you drop those zeros and get with some heroes?
 
2012-03-17 09:22:28 AM

CavalierEternal: Well, Howard did take the time to stop, collaborate and listen.


/and we're done here
 
2012-03-17 09:59:35 AM

CavalierEternal: Well, Howard did take the time to stop, collaborate and listen.


Word to his mother (from Delonte West).
 
2012-03-17 10:03:14 AM
Word to subby's mother.
 
2012-03-17 10:05:28 AM
No doubt he's under pressure, though.
 
2012-03-17 10:18:00 AM
You're right, LeBron, it is much different. Everyone doesn't hate Dwight Howard, and Delonte isn't banging his whore of a mother.
 
2012-03-17 10:30:30 AM
Howard didn't act like the biggest, most self-centered douchebag in the history of the world upon announcing his decision?
 
2012-03-17 10:51:48 AM

alywa: Word to subby's mother.


www.atlasjams.com

/Not Subilla Ice.
 
2012-03-17 11:03:55 AM
The sad thing is that LeBron has learned to like having everyone hate him because it takes the pressure off him to be heroic. Fans in Miami love him just because everyone else hates him, even when he's off his game.

Howard is likely to go down as a class act even if he never wins a ring, whereas LBJ needs to win at least three to redeem himself -- two just to break even.

Howard actually isn't that much of a class act, either. For one thing, the NBA has unfortunately trained him, by giving him 'superstar' non-calls, to defend the basket by grabbing an offensive player's neck or jersey. Watch replays, especially, and you'll see this constantly, and it's especially sad because Howard doesn't need to resort to that kind of crap.

But compared to LeBron, he's a saint.
 
2012-03-17 11:35:33 AM

digistil: Howard didn't act like the biggest, most self-centered douchebag in the history of the world upon announcing his decision?


No, he was acting like the biggest self-centered confused douchebag before his decision.

Howard did the following:
1) Demand a trade away from Orlando
2) Presented a really small list of teams where he would be willing to go.
3) Throw all his current teammates under the bus.
4) Demand his team bring in better players.
5) Decide he didn't want to be traded.
6) But still wanted to be a free agent at the end of this year.
7) Decided that he wouldn't opt out of his contract.
8) We get to repeat this all next year.

Now this is what James did:
1) Let his contract expire.
2) Said nice things about every city with an NBA team, when the local reporters asked him "Where he was going?"
3) Listened to a presentation from a half dozen NBA teams after his contract expired.
4) Given the intense media circus around his expiring contact LeBron took the opportunity with ESPN to create a TV Special and donate his proceeds to charity.
5) Instead of going for the money, going for the fame, going for the championships, he chose to go and work with his friends.

If you oppose LeBron James, you support Comic Sans.
 
2012-03-17 12:03:08 PM

JerseyTim: Will he ever stop?


Yo! I don't know.
 
2012-03-17 12:04:57 PM

Komplex:
5) Instead of going for the money, going for the fame, going for the championships, he chose to go and work with his friends.
.


So close to being a high quality troll. Gotta learn to quit when you're ahead.

2/10
 
2012-03-17 12:07:03 PM

Komplex: No, he was acting like the biggest self-centered confused douchebag before his decision.


By separating all the emotion and whininess from your argument and simply pointing out the facts, you will be perceived as a gigantic troll, no matter how much you're speaking the truth.

*refreshes* and you already have your first moron that thinks so.
 
2012-03-17 12:07:40 PM

Crudbucket: No doubt he's under pressure, though.


But again, not even close to the same thing.

/Dun dun dun dada dun dun tsss
 
2012-03-17 12:08:27 PM
First of all, love the headline!

Secondly, Dwight was more of a tool to his franchise, teammates and fans, but LeBron jerked around the whole world in his self absorbed non-sense. They both deserve to go ringless and serve as the Charles Barkley and Karl Malone of their era.
 
2012-03-17 12:10:37 PM

IAmRight: Komplex: No, he was acting like the biggest self-centered confused douchebag before his decision.

By separating all the emotion and whininess from your argument and simply pointing out the facts, you will be perceived as a gigantic troll, no matter how much you're speaking the truth.

*refreshes* and you already have your first moron that thinks so.



You might have a point if what he posted actually were facts.
 
2012-03-17 12:12:17 PM
Link (new window)
 
2012-03-17 12:13:08 PM

downtownkid: You might have a point if what he posted actually were facts.


Please, contend with any of those points on that list, without putting your own bullsh*t into it about the "reason" he did any of the things listed.
 
2012-03-17 12:18:06 PM

Rodbestboy: First of all, love the headline!

Secondly, Dwight was more of a tool to his franchise, teammates and fans, but LeBron jerked around the whole world in his self absorbed non-sense. They both deserve to go ringless and serve as the Charles Barkley and Karl Malone of their era.


And we're done. They're both narcissistic fools, but, then again, they had to do something to stand out from the pack of narcissistic fools that comprises most of the NBA.
 
2012-03-17 12:21:28 PM
Howard would be more of a Patrick Ewing in that he's a supposedly dominant big man in a league where dominant big men make it damn near impossible NOT to win a ring, but they couldn't do it.

At least Ewing had to go up against Hakeem at the C spot and Michael Jordan.
 
2012-03-17 12:21:32 PM
We not having a March Madness thread today, or...?
 
2012-03-17 12:21:52 PM

IAmRight: downtownkid: You might have a point if what he posted actually were facts.

Please, contend with any of those points on that list, without putting your own bullsh*t into it about the "reason" he did any of the things listed.



The punchline is that he was having a little fun presenting very narrow statements to get a reaction and you are the douche dumb enough to take it seriously. Go argue with someone who cares. You bore me.
 
2012-03-17 12:22:08 PM

robsul82: We not having a March Madness thread today, or...?


Why? Everyone's bracket sucks, so the tourney's over.
 
2012-03-17 12:23:36 PM

downtownkid: IAmRight: Komplex: No, he was acting like the biggest self-centered confused douchebag before his decision.

By separating all the emotion and whininess from your argument and simply pointing out the facts, you will be perceived as a gigantic troll, no matter how much you're speaking the truth.

*refreshes* and you already have your first moron that thinks so.


You might have a point if what he posted actually were facts.


He did post facts.

James played out his contract. He didn't hold the Cavs hostage by asking for a trade. He didn't complain about his teammates and say he needed better players. He didn't lead the Cavs on in a will he or won't he fashion.

He played out his contract and then signed with a different team in free agency.

Complain about "The Decision" all you want, but LeBron handled his contract situation better than Howard, Melo, and everyone in between.
 
2012-03-17 12:25:25 PM

downtownkid: The punchline is that he was having a little fun presenting very narrow statements to get a reaction and you are the douche dumb enough to take it seriously.


So what you're saying is that every bit of information on there is exactly true, you have nothing to rebut, and the only argument you have for why James is worse comes from your own personal interpretations of his actions, which are largely colored by your Cleveland ties.
 
2012-03-17 12:27:09 PM

bulldg4life: He didn't complain about his teammates and say he needed better players.


Well, he did kinda do that.

Then again, so did anyone with any basketball sense whatsoever. That's why they got Antawn Jamison and aging Shaq, who were pretty much worthless.
 
2012-03-17 12:30:41 PM

IAmRight: bulldg4life: He didn't complain about his teammates and say he needed better players.

Well, he did kinda do that.

Then again, so did anyone with any basketball sense whatsoever. That's why they got Antawn Jamison and aging Shaq, who were pretty much worthless.


I don't remember there ever being such public calling out of his teammates like Howard. And, there definitely wasn't stories about the idiotic placating of the superstar.

I'm sure LeBron was given carte blanc as the resident superstar. And there were stories about his friends getting special treatment....but constant stories about requesting players to trade for and deciding the fate of the GM/Coach?
 
2012-03-17 01:03:41 PM

bulldg4life:

He did post facts.


Some of those are reasonably substantiated "facts" (which is why I only saw it for a troll after the last "fact" that he wrote). A couple are just guesses as to what Dwight was/is planning on doing next year. Which, from evidence of the last few weeks, I don't know how anyone can actually guess as to what Dwight was/is planning on doing, since it appears even he doesn't know from one day to the next.

James played out his contract. He didn't hold the Cavs hostage by asking for a trade. He didn't complain about his teammates and say he needed better players. He didn't lead the Cavs on in a will he or won't he fashion.

You're sort of right, except James did actually have an option year left. James did talk bad about his teammates. And do you think Cleveland is happier that he just bailed on them, instead of letting them know he wasn't planning on returning after the season, thus giving them no chance of getting anything in return for arguably the best player in the NBA?
 
2012-03-17 01:20:26 PM

IAmRight: robsul82: We not having a March Madness thread today, or...?

Why? Everyone's bracket sucks, so the tourney's over.


speak for yourself, all but 3 of my sweet sixteen teams are out, and all my elite 8 are still alive and kicking.
 
2012-03-17 01:26:40 PM

downtownkid: IAmRight: downtownkid: You might have a point if what he posted actually were facts.

Please, contend with any of those points on that list, without putting your own bullsh*t into it about the "reason" he did any of the things listed.


The punchline is that he was having a little fun presenting very narrow statements to get a reaction and you are the douche dumb enough to take it seriously. Go argue with someone who cares. You bore me.


No, the very narrow statements were the presentation of facts in the most neutral way possible to discuss were his actions really that bad? Really to still be biatching about "The Decision" a year and a half later is an incredibly thin-skinned and evidence of a sandy-vagina. He made a mistake.

If we list out his suitors:
The fact of the matter was everybody put James into a no-win situation. First off, the management in Cleveland was an abortion (Wally Szczerbiak's expiring contact debacle for starters) and they would never be able to surround him with the complementary players to win a championship. Comic Sans People, Comic Farking Sans.
The only reason why Chicago has a good team was getting incredibly lucky in the 2008 lottery, otherwise, they would have been stuck in the same range as the Pacers/Sixers/Bucks.
Knicks? Are you farking retarded,
Nets? Yes, you are farking retarded.
Clippers? Jesus Christ you actually don't have a cerebral cortex.
Dallas? OK, Maybe.
Heat? Pat Reilly - the guy who knows how to build a championship team without relying on luck. D-Wade, his buddy.

tl;dr - Yes, we know Lebron James is black.

Or what should have LBJ done instead?
 
2012-03-17 01:41:43 PM

Dinobot: IAmRight: robsul82: We not having a March Madness thread today, or...?

Why? Everyone's bracket sucks, so the tourney's over.

speak for yourself, all but 3 of my sweet sixteen teams are out in, and all my elite 8 are still alive and kicking.


FTFM
 
2012-03-17 01:49:39 PM

Komplex: Or what should have LBJ done instead?


I just don't see this the same way as some of you guys do. I see what Dwight, and as someone else mentioned what Melo did in Denver, is actually not just to help himself, but to also help his current team. He could have just kept quite, occasionally said things about how much he likes Orlando, how it is his home, how much he likes what the front office is trying to do, and then left as a free agent at the end of the year, leaving the Magic to get nothing back in return, just like Lebron did to Cleveland Or he could make it clear he was not happy with the way things currently were and that they should look to trade him so they don't lose the best center in the league for nothing.
 
2012-03-17 01:50:15 PM

TonyDanza: bulldg4life:

He did post facts.

Some of those are reasonably substantiated "facts" (which is why I only saw it for a troll after the last "fact" that he wrote). A couple are just guesses as to what Dwight was/is planning on doing next year. Which, from evidence of the last few weeks, I don't know how anyone can actually guess as to what Dwight was/is planning on doing, since it appears even he doesn't know from one day to the next.

James played out his contract. He didn't hold the Cavs hostage by asking for a trade. He didn't complain about his teammates and say he needed better players. He didn't lead the Cavs on in a will he or won't he fashion.

You're sort of right, except James did actually have an option year left. James did talk bad about his teammates. And do you think Cleveland is happier that he just bailed on them, instead of letting them know he wasn't planning on returning after the season, thus giving them no chance of getting anything in return for arguably the best player in the NBA?


Which of his reasonably substantiated facts are you going to argue about? Two people have now said that without specifying.

I find it to be quite hard to argue that he didn't request a trade to a small list of teams, back track and say he didn't want to be traded, assert that he still was going to opt out, change his mind at the end.

Now, I think it looks like Dwight left his agent to manipulate the situation and was deathly afraid of seeing the backlash that Melo and LeBron got....but that doesn't change how the situations were handled.

Also, if Cleveland is unhappy, then they probably could've been more proactive in building a team instead of taking for granted he would stay there forever.

He still didn't make a public show of his dislike by requesting a trade and pouting for an entire season.
 
2012-03-17 01:52:46 PM

TonyDanza: Komplex: Or what should have LBJ done instead?

I just don't see this the same way as some of you guys do. I see what Dwight, and as someone else mentioned what Melo did in Denver, is actually not just to help himself, but to also help his current team. He could have just kept quite, occasionally said things about how much he likes Orlando, how it is his home, how much he likes what the front office is trying to do, and then left as a free agent at the end of the year, leaving the Magic to get nothing back in return, just like Lebron did to Cleveland Or he could make it clear he was not happy with the way things currently were and that they should look to trade him so they don't lose the best center in the league for nothing.


So, now, publicly throwing a fit and requesting a trade mid season is preferable to playing out the contract and then exercising the mutually agreed contractual option.

Right...
 
2012-03-17 02:14:07 PM

IAmRight: Howard would be more of a Patrick Ewing in that he's a supposedly dominant big man in a league where dominant big men make it damn near impossible NOT to win a ring, but they couldn't do it.

At least Ewing had to go up against Hakeem at the C spot and Michael Jordan.


Good to see Fark's resident hipster chime in to offer nothing of value. Why don't you go rip on people that drink beer on St. Patty's Day while you're at it.
 
2012-03-17 02:14:22 PM

bulldg4life: IAmRight: bulldg4life: He didn't complain about his teammates and say he needed better players.

Well, he did kinda do that.

Then again, so did anyone with any basketball sense whatsoever. That's why they got Antawn Jamison and aging Shaq, who were pretty much worthless.

I don't remember there ever being such public calling out of his teammates like Howard. And, there definitely wasn't stories about the idiotic placating of the superstar.

I'm sure LeBron was given carte blanc as the resident superstar. And there were stories about his friends getting special treatment....but constant stories about requesting players to trade for and deciding the fate of the GM/Coach?



Are you serious? Mike Brown was handpicked by LeBron James to be the Cavs coach. Maybe hold off on posting any more until you have the slightest knowledge of the situation.
 
2012-03-17 02:15:58 PM

bulldg4life:
So, now, publicly throwing a fit and requesting a trade mid season is preferable to playing out the contract and then exercising the mutually agreed contractual option.

Right...


I was going to respond to your previous post with a mostly amenable and cordial response, but now I see you are just talking out of your arse, so I'm done.
 
2012-03-17 02:18:54 PM

bulldg4life: TonyDanza: bulldg4life:

He did post facts.

Some of those are reasonably substantiated "facts" (which is why I only saw it for a troll after the last "fact" that he wrote). A couple are just guesses as to what Dwight was/is planning on doing next year. Which, from evidence of the last few weeks, I don't know how anyone can actually guess as to what Dwight was/is planning on doing, since it appears even he doesn't know from one day to the next.

James played out his contract. He didn't hold the Cavs hostage by asking for a trade. He didn't complain about his teammates and say he needed better players. He didn't lead the Cavs on in a will he or won't he fashion.

You're sort of right, except James did actually have an option year left. James did talk bad about his teammates. And do you think Cleveland is happier that he just bailed on them, instead of letting them know he wasn't planning on returning after the season, thus giving them no chance of getting anything in return for arguably the best player in the NBA?

Which of his reasonably substantiated facts are you going to argue about? Two people have now said that without specifying.

I find it to be quite hard to argue that he didn't request a trade to a small list of teams, back track and say he didn't want to be traded, assert that he still was going to opt out, change his mind at the end.

Now, I think it looks like Dwight left his agent to manipulate the situation and was deathly afraid of seeing the backlash that Melo and LeBron got....but that doesn't change how the situations were handled.

Also, if Cleveland is unhappy, then they probably could've been more proactive in building a team instead of taking for granted he would stay there forever.

He still didn't make a public show of his dislike by requesting a trade and pouting for an entire season.



Allow me to help you out as you don't seem terribly bright.

"John Wayne Gacy liked to dress up as a clown to entertain children".

That is also a reasonably substantiated fact. It is also a sentence written very carefully so as to present a fact while ignoring the larger truth of the matter. Anyone wasting their time arguing in favor of the factuality of the statement is either a jackass who simply enjoys arguing (such as IAmRight) or too dense to grasp the bigger picture (like you).
 
2012-03-17 02:23:54 PM

TonyDanza: Komplex: Or what should have LBJ done instead?

I just don't see this the same way as some of you guys do. I see what Dwight, and as someone else mentioned what Melo did in Denver, is actually not just to help himself, but to also help his current team. He could have just kept quite, occasionally said things about how much he likes Orlando, how it is his home, how much he likes what the front office is trying to do, and then left as a free agent at the end of the year, leaving the Magic to get nothing back in return, just like Lebron did to Cleveland Or he could make it clear he was not happy with the way things currently were and that they should look to trade him so they don't lose the best center in the league for nothing.


Oh that's bullshiat, Dwight and Melo were not being praised as 'trying to help their former teams' they were being crucified by the press as spoiled children who were a major distraction from their teams.

And in case you haven't noticed, the only way to get great in the NBA is to tank and get a high draft pick for a few years. Cleveland's long term future looks a lot better than Denver and Orlando if any of the rumored trades for Dwight Howard went through.
 
2012-03-17 02:27:55 PM
lol

I'll remember that it is preferable to request a trade publically instead of playing out contracts. The horror of free agency. It's just not fair what LeBron did.
 
2012-03-17 02:31:21 PM

downtownkid: bulldg4life: TonyDanza: bulldg4life:

He did post facts.

Some of those are reasonably substantiated "facts" (which is why I only saw it for a troll after the last "fact" that he wrote). A couple are just guesses as to what Dwight was/is planning on doing next year. Which, from evidence of the last few weeks, I don't know how anyone can actually guess as to what Dwight was/is planning on doing, since it appears even he doesn't know from one day to the next.

James played out his contract. He didn't hold the Cavs hostage by asking for a trade. He didn't complain about his teammates and say he needed better players. He didn't lead the Cavs on in a will he or won't he fashion.

You're sort of right, except James did actually have an option year left. James did talk bad about his teammates. And do you think Cleveland is happier that he just bailed on them, instead of letting them know he wasn't planning on returning after the season, thus giving them no chance of getting anything in return for arguably the best player in the NBA?

Which of his reasonably substantiated facts are you going to argue about? Two people have now said that without specifying.

I find it to be quite hard to argue that he didn't request a trade to a small list of teams, back track and say he didn't want to be traded, assert that he still was going to opt out, change his mind at the end.

Now, I think it looks like Dwight left his agent to manipulate the situation and was deathly afraid of seeing the backlash that Melo and LeBron got....but that doesn't change how the situations were handled.

Also, if Cleveland is unhappy, then they probably could've been more proactive in building a team instead of taking for granted he would stay there forever.

He still didn't make a public show of his dislike by requesting a trade and pouting for an entire season.


Allow me to help you out as you don't seem terribly bright.

"John Wayne Gacy liked to dress up as a clown to entertain children".

That is ...


downtownkid: Allow me to help you out as you don't seem terribly bright.

"John Wayne Gacy liked to dress up as a clown to entertain children".

That is also a reasonably substantiated fact. It is also a sentence written very carefully so as to present a fact while ignoring the larger truth of the matter. Anyone wasting their time arguing in favor of the factuality of the statement is either a jackass who simply enjoys arguing (such as IAmRight) or too dense to grasp the bigger picture (like you).


When presented with a series of facts and the only complaint is the ignoring of the "larger truth" is code for "There's nothing really serious here for me to justify my hysterics."

But if we were writing honestly about John Wayne Gacy, one would have to write:
John Wayne Gacy raped and murdered 33 boys.

If there's a fact that I'm missing please let me know. The only thing I can think of is "LeBron James is Black, and he decided to control his career."
 
2012-03-17 02:37:05 PM

Komplex: derp



Huh? Do you have a grasp of the most basic logic? The example I provided was a fact. It ignored the larger truth of the matter, exactly as your "facts" did. How is that hard for you to understand? Should I spell it out phonetically, or use smaller words?
 
2012-03-17 02:43:42 PM
I think LeBron's "Decision" is much more like the Peyton Manning spectacle.
 
2012-03-17 02:44:25 PM

bulldg4life: I'll remember that it is preferable to request a trade publically instead of playing out contracts. The horror of free agency. It's just not fair what LeBron did.


LEBRON OWED CLEVELAND! THEY TOOK A CHANCE ON HIM WITH THE NO. 1 OVERALL PICK!

/because no one else would've taken him No. 1 overall
//Stern rigs drafts - yeah, I'm sure it was a coincidence Cleveland gets the No. 1 overall the year LeBron is available AND the year after he left (to give them a chance to get back to decent). Just like it was a coincidence that when those teams tanked to get Durant/Oden, none of them won any of the lottery slots

digistil: Good to see Fark's resident hipster chime in to offer nothing of value. Why don't you go rip on people that drink beer on St. Patty's Day while you're at it.


You should probably feel free to stick with words you know the meaning of. Hipsters don't even like the NBA. Hipsters watch hockey or soccer.
 
2012-03-17 02:53:09 PM
BTW, St. Patrick's Day is fine if you're young, retarded, and/or you want to deal with other drunk retards and/or total whores.

Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed being retarded on St. Patrick's Day in the past. I've enjoyed my fair share of sluts. But eventually you should probably outgrow it, especially if you're not Irish.
 
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