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(The New York Times)   Why won't one of the elder statesmen of the GOP talk Newt into giving up his quest for president? Because most of them know it would be bad for Romney   (thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ) divider line
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2012-03-17 02:33:17 AM  
There are still elder statesmen and political veterans in the GOP?
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.
 
2012-03-17 02:44:51 AM  
And the clownshow will continue right up until the split convention.

And then, Sarah Palin will be the nominee.
 
2012-03-17 02:50:01 AM  

Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.


That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.
 
2012-03-17 02:50:38 AM  
Why does anyone think it's possible talk Newt into anything he doesn't want to do? Megalomaniacs aren't exactly renowned for their ability to rationally consider constructive criticism.
 
2012-03-17 02:51:26 AM  

randomjsa: Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.

That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.


That would be both major parties for the 35 years my personal experience can attest to.
 
2012-03-17 02:51:43 AM  
Oh no no NO NO I'M NOT FALLING FOR IT!!
 
2012-03-17 02:52:35 AM  
Moderate Republicans.

Yeah, congrats guys. You're the skinniest kid at fat camp.
 
2012-03-17 02:57:57 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: randomjsa: Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.

That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.

That would be both major parties for the 35 years my personal experience can attest to.


And, and....I'm rubber, and you're glue, and anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you!! Neener, neener, neener!

Don't you just love what political discourse in modern America has come to?
 
2012-03-17 02:58:39 AM  

GhostFish: randomjsa: Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.

That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.

I know you are, but what am I?
I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. Double stamped it to infinity plus one.


Great minds think alike.
 
2012-03-17 03:00:34 AM  

cptjeff: And the clownshow will continue right up until the split convention.

And then, Sarah Palin will be the nominee.


She needs to throw her hat back into the (three) ring(s).

i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-17 03:00:40 AM  
Does anyone honestly believe Newt will be around to try again in 2016? Not with his pallor, and going to bed with Sinistar. I think he's in it to win it.
 
2012-03-17 03:01:36 AM  
Anyway - this article is well written, but poses a question whose answer is painfully obvious.
The "older, wiser heads" in the GOP are making their plans for 2016. They are not even thinking about 2012 - they know a lost cause when they see one.
 
2012-03-17 03:01:55 AM  
Quest for the presidency? I think you seriously underestimate the man's ambitions, subby. If I had to guess, I'd say the preferred title he actually has inside his head is somewhere between "God-King of the Federations" and "Moon Sultan".
 
2012-03-17 03:13:08 AM  
Back when the party valued intellectual processes, rational analysis and all that, there'd have been a framework for calmly reaching out to a thick-headed candidate and gently pointing out the error of his ways - and perhaps the power to give him a push out the door.
But when ignorance is championed, all the "elders" can do is sit and watch, figuring nobody would believe or respect their well-reasoned contentions.
 
2012-03-17 03:17:25 AM  

GhostFish: randomjsa: Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.

That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.

I know you are, but what am I?
I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. Double stamped it to infinity plus one.


No, you can't do that... you can't triple stamp a double stamp, you can't triple stamp a double stamp! Lloyd!
 
2012-03-17 03:44:42 AM  

randomjsa: Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.

That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.


Look how stupid you are.
 
2012-03-17 03:46:40 AM  

The Mavrick: randomjsa: Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.

That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.

Look how stupid you are.


It's consistancy we're after. At least he has that going for himself.
 
2012-03-17 03:58:13 AM  

jso2897: Anyway - this article is well written, but poses a question whose answer is painfully obvious.
The "older, wiser heads" in the GOP are making their plans for 2016. They are not even thinking about 2012 - they know a lost cause when they see one.


You think they have a plan for 2016? Does it involve resurrecting Lincoln?
 
2012-03-17 04:04:20 AM  

jso2897: Anyway - this article is well written, but poses a question whose answer is painfully obvious.
The "older, wiser heads" in the GOP are making their plans for 2016. They are not even thinking about 2012 - they know a lost cause when they see one.


I think that the older and wiser heads are still trying to figure out how counteract the fiasco that was 2010. With any luck they'll come up with a decent plan later this year or early 2013 to deal with the future.
 
2012-03-17 04:05:14 AM  

The Mavrick: randomjsa: Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.

That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.

Look how stupid you are.


and...and, and when Republicans fart it smells like vanilla ice cream, but when LIEberals fart it smells like spoiled eggs and rotten smelly soybeans probably.
 
2012-03-17 05:10:49 AM  

Philbb:
I think that the older and wiser heads are still trying to figure out how counteract the fiasco that was 2010. .


Fiasco, as in kicking the dog shiat out of the democrats in the midterm elections? Yeah, that was horrible for them. lolol
 
2012-03-17 06:03:40 AM  

WaffleStomper:
Fiasco, as in kicking the dog shiat out of the democrats in the midterm elections? Yeah, that was horrible for them. lolol


Yeah, actually that has been a fiasco for the Republicans (See Wisconsin). The "just say no" Boehner programmed congress blockade is not endearing to anyone. Furthermore 2010 wasn't that much a butt kickin' anyway, just a normal mid-term CIC power check. Happens much more often than not. Those mid-terms rode in on the wave of tea-party activism. The GOP constituency shot themselves in the foot by electing these know nothing extreme partisan hacks across the country and in congress. Thinking Republicans are ashamed of what they have wrought and are backing away.
you said it yourself, the GOP is offering nothing but an embarrassing sideshow.
As this article explains, "the Old Guard" (including Newt Gingrich, a knowing participant here) is trying to distance the party from that lunacy by backing the moderate, Mr. Romney. Yes Romney, even though he is an unpopular candidate (with about 38%) and will marginalize most who voted against him this primary. The OGs do not want to see a tea-party candidate (Santorum) face off against Obama in an ideology showdown and get crushed garnering only what remains of the far right vote. The bet is that Romney can chip away at the independent and moderate vote and the far right will suck it up and fall in line rather vote for fartbongo.
 
2012-03-17 06:07:28 AM  

Neeek: jso2897: Anyway - this article is well written, but poses a question whose answer is painfully obvious.
The "older, wiser heads" in the GOP are making their plans for 2016. They are not even thinking about 2012 - they know a lost cause when they see one.

You think they have a plan for 2016? Does it involve resurrecting Lincoln?


Unfortunately for them all the past presidents fail their current conservative doctrine test....
 
2012-03-17 06:09:03 AM  

Ablejack: WaffleStomper:
Fiasco, as in kicking the dog shiat out of the democrats in the midterm elections? Yeah, that was horrible for them. lolol

Yeah, actually that has been a fiasco for the Republicans (See Wisconsin). The "just say no" Boehner programmed congress blockade is not endearing to anyone. Furthermore 2010 wasn't that much a butt kickin' anyway, just a normal mid-term CIC power check. Happens much more often than not. Those mid-terms rode in on the wave of tea-party activism. The GOP constituency shot themselves in the foot by electing these know nothing extreme partisan hacks across the country and in congress. Thinking Republicans are ashamed of what they have wrought and are backing away.
you said it yourself, the GOP is offering nothing but an embarrassing sideshow.
As this article explains, "the Old Guard" (including Newt Gingrich, a knowing participant here) is trying to distance the party from that lunacy by backing the moderate, Mr. Romney. Yes Romney, even though he is an unpopular candidate (with about 38%) and will marginalize most who voted against him this primary. The OGs do not want to see a tea-party candidate (Santorum) face off against Obama in an ideology showdown and get crushed garnering only what remains of the far right vote. The bet is that Romney can chip away at the independent and moderate vote and the far right will suck it up and fall in line rather vote for fartbongo.

/sorry that was some thinking Republican shying away from the derp; not you.
 
2012-03-17 06:15:09 AM  
Gingrich and Santorum stay in? Romney gets the nomination, bad for Obama.

Gingrich drops out? Santorum gets the nomination, good for Obama.

Sometimes I wonder how much of the interest in the media for Gingrich dropping out is really for the "good" of the Republicans, and how much of it is because it helps Obama get a weaker, walking joke for an opponent. (as opposed to the richer, walking joke Rmoney.)
 
2012-03-17 06:25:49 AM  
Gringrich is soaking up and splitting the "anyone but Romney votes", so that does help Romney. No way around that.

/DRTA
 
2012-03-17 07:00:57 AM  

WaffleStomper: Philbb:
I think that the older and wiser heads are still trying to figure out how counteract the fiasco that was 2010. .

Fiasco, as in kicking the dog shiat out of the democrats in the midterm elections? Yeah, that was horrible for them. lolol


The Republicans said 2010 was going to be the their great year. They were going to sweep into power in the house and senate, propelled by the excitement generated by the tea party.
Instead, they failed to take the senate, barely took the house, and most of the prominent tea party candidates lost - so they kinda-sorta won, but they predicted a hurricane, and got a popcorn fart.
And now they are looking at 2012, and it isn't pretty. America has watched the extreme right element of the party try to destroy the country for the last two years in order to "get Obama".
Outside the trailer park, not too many grownups approve of that sort of behavior.
 
2012-03-17 07:10:15 AM  

MeinRS6: Gringrich is soaking up and splitting the "anyone but Romney votes", so that does help Romney. No way around that.

/DRTA


It's going to be Rmoney. And he's going to get beat. And it doesn't matter much.
 
2012-03-17 07:33:19 AM  

jso2897: MeinRS6: Gringrich is soaking up and splitting the "anyone but Romney votes", so that does help Romney. No way around that.

/DRTA

It's going to be Rmoney. And he's going to get beat. And it doesn't matter much.


It wouldn't be Romney if Newt dropped out. It definitely wouldn't be Romney if Newt dropped out and endorsed Santorum.
 
2012-03-17 07:38:29 AM  
That whole article is complete bullshiat. The premise that anybody in the GOP is thinking about scenarios or what's best for the party is a crock.

The reason nobody has talked Newt into dropping out is simply that Newt isn't listening. He has not merely burned his bridges with the GOP establishment, he has set fire to the river. There is nothing left that the establishment could or would offer him in return for dropping out. He has his sights firmly set on his post-political career, whatever that might be.
 
2012-03-17 07:40:55 AM  

bugontherug: jso2897: MeinRS6: Gringrich is soaking up and splitting the "anyone but Romney votes", so that does help Romney. No way around that.

/DRTA

It's going to be Rmoney. And he's going to get beat. And it doesn't matter much.

It wouldn't be Romney if Newt dropped out. It definitely wouldn't be Romney if Newt dropped out and endorsed Santorum.


Not really. Santorum does not stand a chance in the winner-take-all states, and that is what it will take to clinch this.
 
2012-03-17 07:46:32 AM  
We're fond of declaring the death of the GOP on this tab, but you know what's really dead? The famous GOP electoral discipline.

As recently as the last presidential cycle it was received wisdom that the GOP establishment decided who would be the nominee based on seniority and the primary voters would loyally comply. Now we have incumbents being tossed out in primaries, we have real factionalism within the party, and does anybody even remember Reagan's 11th commandment?
 
2012-03-17 07:51:50 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: bugontherug: jso2897: MeinRS6: Gringrich is soaking up and splitting the "anyone but Romney votes", so that does help Romney. No way around that.

/DRTA

It's going to be Rmoney. And he's going to get beat. And it doesn't matter much.

It wouldn't be Romney if Newt dropped out. It definitely wouldn't be Romney if Newt dropped out and endorsed Santorum.

Not really. Santorum does not stand a chance in the winner-take-all states, and that is what it will take to clinch this.


Yes really. Just because Santorum can't win doesn't mean Romney can. According to--I thin it was Steve Schmidt--even if Romney wins all of the winner take all states, he still probably doesn't come out with a majority before the convention. At a brokered convention, where Santorum wins most of the time between now and then, Santorum probably comes out on top. Especially with a Gingrich endorsement.

Gingrich no longer has any chance to win. But he can make it very unlikely for Romney to win. Not that we will. Just that he can.
 
2012-03-17 07:53:03 AM  
i'm not sure if Gingrich dropping out would have a meaningful effect on Santorum's prospects.

right now Gingrich supporters seem to be evenly split on which candidate they would move to if he dropped out.

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-17 08:00:36 AM  
Ever danced with an Evangelical in the pale moon light? Sometimes you just need a Newt to ward them off.
 
2012-03-17 08:02:16 AM  

czetie: We're fond of declaring the death of the GOP on this tab, but you know what's really dead? The famous GOP electoral discipline.

As recently as the last presidential cycle it was received wisdom that the GOP establishment decided who would be the nominee based on seniority and the primary voters would loyally comply. Now we have incumbents being tossed out in primaries, we have real factionalism within the party, and does anybody even remember Reagan's 11th commandment?


Seeing as the current GOP base doesn't remember anything non-mythological about Reagan, can't count to 11, and probably can't spell commandment, I'm gonna go ahead and say no.
 
2012-03-17 08:03:25 AM  
Folks....Gingrich is staying in because the GOP Leadership (?) wants Romney so bad, they need Gingrich to keep Santorum at bay

The GOP Leadership is totally clueless...and basically Democrat shills. Romney has zero chance of beating Obama. If he cannot coast to the GOP nomination with no challenger seriously attacking him....Obama is going to walk all over Romney, and soil his magic underwear in the process

In fact, the GOP would be best served to tell Romney to drop out
 
2012-03-17 09:34:53 AM  
I remember when the GOP had veterans who helped to shape and guide it. I disagreed with a lot of their policies. But I could respect those veterans.

Then Reagan kicked off the age of morning in America for plutocrats, and the result, 30 years later, is that the party has been purged of leadership and left with clowns who take their orders directly from the plutocrats, and their idea of leadership is to try to sweeten the obvious message of "BOW DOWN AND OBEY MAMMON" with dog whistles about sluts and welfare queens and brown people.
 
2012-03-17 09:49:53 AM  

randomjsa: Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.

That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.


Awwww, does wandomjsa/wibbynomore2 got anudder butthurt? Must be a day that ends in "day."

BTW, nice way to spend your Friday night, loser.
 
2012-03-17 09:59:44 AM  

randomjsa: Procedural Texture:
I thought the inmates were running the asylum now.

That would be the DNC for the last 10 years or so.


Fark needs a better class of troll.
 
2012-03-17 10:02:01 AM  

cptjeff: And the clownshow will continue right up until the split convention.


And then, Sarah Palin Mitt Romney will be the nominee.
 
2012-03-17 10:08:45 AM  

GhostFish: Newt's ego won't allow it anyway. If he wanted to hurt Romney then he would drop out. He hasn't. It's not about Romney. It's about not looking like a failure. After this race, Newt's star will have finally set. This is his last big chance to stand in the spotlight and he's not going to leave it willingly. He's in it until the end.


Unless his ego is so gargantuan, he thinks he still actually has a shot.
 
2012-03-17 10:32:47 AM  
Why shouldn't he have a shot? It's not like the other 3 still in the race are worth a damn.
 
2012-03-17 10:48:54 AM  
Gingrich is in it as long as Adelson writes checks, and Adelson hates Santorum.

Citizens United has shaped this cycle, without it Gungrich and Santorum would have been out months ago.
 
2012-03-17 10:51:54 AM  
The head of one of Newt's SuperPacs was on NPR the other day. When asked about why Newt hasn't dropped out, said Newt could win a brokered convention.

After the first vote at the Convention, if there is no candidate with 50% majority, the delegates are no longer bound to a candidate. This is where the Newt crowd sees their chance to win or use their leverage to get something else in exchange.

/Probably the same thoughts for Santorum, Romney, and Paul supporters
//GOP convention will be a train wreck with a lot of butt hurt
 
2012-03-17 10:52:02 AM  

Descartes: (as opposed to the richer, walking joke Rmoney.)


You know, when I first saw that picture, I thought "wow, that's a hilarious photoshop, kudos to whoever did that".

Then, like everything else about Mitt Romney, I found out it wasn't a 'shop, and all I could say was "... wow."
 
2012-03-17 11:06:28 AM  
I can understand the now-or-never attitude of contemporary republicans. A moderate won't do. They need a true believer in there now to pass some apartheid-like laws to preserve what they can of Christian white cultural dominance. The chance becomes more remote with each election cycle. Santorum is the best hope. Newt, maybe. But Romney would be a disaster. Like fiddling while Rome burns.
 
2012-03-17 11:24:26 AM  
Newt's insistence has little to do with megalomania. At this point the Republican Party wants him in the race to ensure Romney is the nominee. I think Newt knows this, and is expecting a reward for his cooperation.

The last thing the GOP wants is Santorum as the nominee.
 
2012-03-17 11:55:03 AM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Folks....Gingrich is staying in because the GOP Leadership (?) wants Romney so bad, they need Gingrich to keep Santorum at bay

The GOP Leadership is totally clueless...and basically Democrat shills. Romney has zero chance of beating Obama. If he cannot coast to the GOP nomination with no challenger seriously attacking him....Obama is going to walk all over Romney, and soil his magic underwear in the process

In fact, the GOP would be best served to tell Romney to drop out


They might as well - it doesn't really make a damn bit of difference.
2012 is a practice run or the GOP. The important thing is that they don't waste anybody plausible like Cristie or (Rand) Paul or Mark Rubio this time around - they really have no skin in which of this current batch 'o clowns gets his ass fed to Obama this November.
The Republican Party is still around because it adapts and survives - it knows when and how to bide it's time, and change it's spots. The Teabaggers will be tossed on history's garbage heap - but the GOP will survive.
They'll be back.
 
2012-03-17 12:00:12 PM  
If there were elder statesmen of the GOP they'd be running for President. Not telling the freakshow candidates that are what to do.
 
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