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2012-03-16 03:14:46 PM
When it comes to politics, I think Apple is the grand example of what a Libertarian paradise would be like
 
2012-03-16 03:16:58 PM
"Sealed units [like the iPad] make it difficult to remove the batteries," Steve Skurnac, president of SIMS Recycling Solutions, said in a statement. "From a recycler's point of view, the hazardous components [like batteries] need to be easily separated or removed."

What he's really saying there is "our workflow depends on unskilled labor using no specialized tools in order to make our monthly margins."

If you're taking apart a device for recycling, no one cares if you scratch the glass or screw up the adhesive while you're getting to the battery.

(you're also not buying an iPad if you're really into repairing your old stuff -- like me, after I left that behind, the need to open an iPad is a non-issue; repairs are why I have Applecare)
 
2012-03-16 03:22:22 PM
They're thinner, yes, but more absorbent. And the next version will have wings.
 
2012-03-16 04:13:51 PM
They must have engineered a race of super-tine children to assemble them.
 
2012-03-16 04:14:28 PM
*tiny
 
2012-03-16 04:24:19 PM
They could just charge $10 million each for them and greatly reduce their carbon footprint.
 
2012-03-16 04:50:21 PM

cman: When it comes to politics, I think Apple is the grand example of what a Libertarian paradise would be like


No - it'd be closer to the goods coming out of Laos.

/in otherwords, an utter clusterf*ck
 
2012-03-16 06:21:00 PM
What difference does it make, subby? If Apple had a recycling program, they would just take the damned things and ship them off to a third world country for disposal in a landfill there, and that would just add to the cost. It's cheaper just to do nothing about it.
 
2012-03-16 06:22:03 PM
When an organization retroactively changes the score they gave a product, because they have "learned more about it" since then, I can't help but conclude that none of their scores are reliable enough to pay attention to.

Maybe the chimpanzees with putty knives at iFixit can't figure out how to break down a broken iPad for repair or recycling by themselves, but that doesn't mean that Apple-authorized technicians who have read the service manual don't know how to do it.
 
2012-03-16 06:31:48 PM

poot_rootbeer: When an organization retroactively changes the score they gave a product, because they have "learned more about it" since then, I can't help but conclude that none of their scores are reliable enough to pay attention to.


Kinda like climate scientists, eh? It's a good thing that they don't revise their beliefs based upon new information.
 
2012-03-16 06:35:35 PM
What's the big deal of recycling these things anyway? it's not like they come out with a new one you have to have every year.
 
2012-03-16 06:40:43 PM
I just want to know when they will have wings.
 
2012-03-16 06:50:09 PM
I don't think many iPad are being recycled right now.
We still have our original and it gets used about 3 hours an evening between the 5 of us.
This sounds like butt hurt to me.

And yes... dude... you need to figure out a cost effective way to break them down you dumbass.
 
2012-03-16 06:52:06 PM

poot_rootbeer:
Maybe the chimpanzees with putty knives at iFixit can't figure out how to break down a broken iPad for repair or recycling by themselves, but that doesn't mean that Apple-authorized technicians who have read the service manual don't know how to do it.


Smash the glass (it's going to be smelted anyway). PCB's in one bin, battery pack in another. Then those are sent off to be smelted, drained of chemicals, etc.

I mean getting an iPad apart is pretty simple on the assumption you really don't give a fark about putting it back together as a working iPad again. Which the recyclers wouldn't. Unless their a shifty punch of pikeys looking to scavenge 10 iPads in to a FrankenPad for sale on ebay or some shiat.
 
2012-03-16 06:52:16 PM
"Apple still sacrificing recyclability to make thinner iPads, because SCREW YOU, ENVIRONMENT"

Aren't the new iPads actually thicker than the previous version? That might be a first for Apple.

Apple Spokesperson: "Behold, our new iProduct is now thicker and heavier!"
Apple fanboys: "Yeah, the old ones were too small and light! Take my money!!!"

/says someone who's probably going to get the iPad 3 replace my 2 . . .
 
2012-03-16 07:04:14 PM

Vaneshi: poot_rootbeer:
Maybe the chimpanzees with putty knives at iFixit can't figure out how to break down a broken iPad for repair or recycling by themselves, but that doesn't mean that Apple-authorized technicians who have read the service manual don't know how to do it.

Smash the glass (it's going to be smelted anyway). PCB's in one bin, battery pack in another. Then those are sent off to be smelted, drained of chemicals, etc.

I mean getting an iPad apart is pretty simple on the assumption you really don't give a fark about putting it back together as a working iPad again. Which the recyclers wouldn't. Unless their a shifty punch of pikeys looking to scavenge 10 iPads in to a FrankenPad for sale on ebay or some shiat.


What part of adhesive do you not understand? You can't just smash the glass as all that would accomplish is leave you with a lot of shard to chip off the LCD, which by the way isn't recycled by the same process. Without taking off the glass you can't get to the other stuff inside. Even in an iPhone all it takes is two screws near the charging port and the LCD assembly comes off the main body, which is substantially easier to recycle broken components and even replace parts easily prolonging the life of the product, reducing environmental impact and not having to fill up poor countries' landfill with your plastic crap.

But no, you obviously need a new ipad(x) every year, because last years' is outdated, repairing stuff is for pinko hippies and who really gives a crap about foreign lands getting poisoned with PCBs and heavy metals?
 
2012-03-16 07:08:21 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Kinda like climate scientists, eh? It's a good thing that they don't revise their beliefs based upon new information.


Some folk will brook no criticism - of any kind for any reason - of their favorite electronics company.
 
2012-03-16 07:13:38 PM
Some folk will brook no criticism

then again, some folk'll
 
2012-03-16 07:15:06 PM
I can see that repairability may be a biatch, but from the perspective of keeping batteries out of landfills,how hard is it to simply cut through the case and pull out the battery?
 
2012-03-16 07:19:52 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: I can see that repairability may be a biatch, but from the perspective of keeping batteries out of landfills,how hard is it to simply cut through the case and pull out the battery?


The iPad 2 is 8.7 mm thick and the iPad 3 at 9.5mm (about a third of an inch for you imperialists.)

How would you effectively cut something out of a piece glass, aluminum and plastic that is under 1 cm thick and with what?
 
2012-03-16 07:20:33 PM
This is the best fark can do for the fake Apple outrage of the day?

/yawn
 
2012-03-16 07:24:31 PM

catonacid: themeaningoflifeisnot: I can see that repairability may be a biatch, but from the perspective of keeping batteries out of landfills,how hard is it to simply cut through the case and pull out the battery?

The iPad 2 is 8.7 mm thick and the iPad 3 at 9.5mm (about a third of an inch for you imperialists.)

How would you effectively cut something out of a piece glass, aluminum and plastic that is under 1 cm thick and with what?


I can't imagine an ipad giving a Sawzall much of a fight. Maybe 10 seconds? Less?
 
2012-03-16 07:35:56 PM
The reason you want something easily to deconstruct is because when trying to form a streamlined process for recycling, much like any assembly line process, you need to be able to easily segregate the components upon deconstruction. Breaking them apart haphazardly is not an especially efficient process for a number of reasons:

1. Randomization of breakage patterns resulting in co-mingling of materials that still require excessive processing to separate into manageable components
2. Possibility that the battery would be damaged in the break-down, resulting in the toxic chemical components of the battery being spilled out onto a work surface and requiring more specialized equipment to clean and handle.
3. Difficulty of creating an efficient break-down process, thus costing more to break down the components and reducing or eliminating any possible profit margin that can be gained from the sale of the recycled components.
 
2012-03-16 07:38:26 PM

GreenAdder: They're thinner, yes, but more absorbent. And the next version will have wings.


Did your mom make that one up for you?
 
kab
2012-03-16 07:48:16 PM
The Apple devout dont let suicide nets phase them... Do you really think this article is even going to bat an eyelash?
 
2012-03-16 08:02:24 PM

kab: Do you really think this article is even going to bat an eyelash?


The second the articles I read start developing eyelashes to bat, I put down the Jameson.
 
2012-03-16 08:10:44 PM

catonacid: repairing stuff is for pinko hippies


First of all, there is nothing inside an iPad to repair. You have the screen/digitizer assembly, a PCB for the home button/dock port, a ribbon cable, a PCB at the top containing the radios, processor, RAM, SSD chips, camera modules (all flow soldered on, just like any other tablet) and a honking great battery pack; not in a consumer friendly shell either but a 'you really don't want to pierce this and its easy to do then you'll make fire' silver baggy. Ohh and the rear shell obviously.

The battery will last, on average, 5 years, but which time with moderate to heavy use the SSD may well be approaching its limit on write/erase ops. None of which you can replace without a flow solder rig irrespective of the ball ache of cracking the thing open.

Secondly the issue isn't repair it's recycling and no, that doesn't mean combining multiple dead units in to a working one, it's about reclaiming the gold, copper and other metals used in the constructing the components; hence smelting. Then you skim off the crap and tada copper ingots/bars ready for shipping off to make more PCB's and such.

No, nobody cares about saving the glass beyond being able to fire it back in to a molten form for purification and recasting. Same with the aluminium and thus the glue.

Which as a recycling company you'd only care if you were trying to make FrankenPads on the sly...
 
2012-03-16 08:13:04 PM

RoxtarRyan: kab: Do you really think this article is even going to bat an eyelash?

The second the articles I read start developing eyelashes to bat, I put down the Jameson.


Acid's kicking in...
 
2012-03-16 08:15:39 PM
Subby, this is total bullshiat. Apple has a recycling program. You don't have to be able to disassemble it yourself. Just give it back to Apple.
 
2012-03-16 08:31:19 PM

GreenAdder: They're thinner, yes, but more absorbent. And the next version will have wings.


I thought their oleophobic screen coatings were meant to repel bodily fluids. It solves all these farkers' recurrent problems of needing a new keyboard...

...from reading comments so funny they spit out their coffee.
 
2012-03-16 08:51:02 PM

Nem Wan: Subby, this is total bullshiat. Apple has a recycling program. You don't have to be able to disassemble it yourself. Just give it back to Apple.


Apple offers free recycling for not only their own gear but also for PC's?

dl.dropbox.com

If all you want is to dispose of your unwanted equipment - regardless of brand - we can help you do that. Apple contracts with WeRecycle! to responsibly recycle computers and displays from any manufacturer. Just call 877-712-2405 to receive a free prepaid shipping label.

They even pay for shipping?

SCREW YOU RETARDED SUBBY!
 
2012-03-16 08:51:16 PM

cyberspacedout: GreenAdder: They're thinner, yes, but more absorbent. And the next version will have wings.

I thought their oleophobic screen coatings were meant to repel bodily fluids. It solves all these farkers' recurrent problems of needing a new keyboard...

...from reading comments so funny they spit out their coffee.


Yes... coffee. I'm convinced half of fark is trying to see if a) there is an end to Porn on the internet and b) if you keep doing that will you really go blind?
 
2012-03-16 10:47:46 PM
Total Fanboi hater here and I don't see what the outrage is about. It's a tiny-ass product that does what it says. Be happy is isn't bigger.
 
2012-03-16 11:21:17 PM
Crush. Heat. Submerge in solvents. Reuse. All of that would be satisfying.
 
2012-03-17 12:19:18 AM

urban.derelict: SAVE THE PLANET!


And, of course, the squirrels!

//Been waiting a long time to dig that one up.
 
2012-03-17 12:58:40 AM
Fark the environment, I need this god damn keyboardless, locked, proprietary, non-compatible with MS Office files, tiny storage space, no file management, overpriced tablet to be THIN!
 
2012-03-17 01:22:13 AM

Vaneshi: cyberspacedout: GreenAdder: They're thinner, yes, but more absorbent. And the next version will have wings.

I thought their oleophobic screen coatings were meant to repel bodily fluids. It solves all these farkers' recurrent problems of needing a new keyboard...

...from reading comments so funny they spit out their coffee.

Yes... coffee. I'm convinced half of fark is trying to see if a) there is an end to Porn on the internet and b) if you keep doing that will you really go blind?


answers:

a) yes, of the rear variety

and

b) uh... who said that?
 
2012-03-17 04:16:49 AM
Can we get a Fiction tab for pathetic bullshiat like this?
 
2012-03-17 05:31:42 AM
The repair-ability of Macbooks is what nearly won me over to their camp for my mobile computing needs. The old Duo Core 2 Macbooks are great to work on. Almost everything not on the logic board can be swapped between models and most components aren't soldered in place. That all changed with the Air and it's not surprising it's the same with the iPad.

Added bonus: there is talk the Pro line will be replaced by a 15" Air; so soon Apple will not have a single user repairable notebook/tablet.
 
2012-03-17 06:46:33 AM

Unholythree: The repair-ability of Macbooks is what nearly won me over to their camp for my mobile computing needs. The old Duo Core 2 Macbooks are great to work on. Almost everything not on the logic board can be swapped between models and most components aren't soldered in place. That all changed with the Air and it's not surprising it's the same with the iPad.

Added bonus: there is talk the Pro line will be replaced by a 15" Air; so soon Apple will not have a single user repairable notebook/tablet.


I'll be shocked if they drop the "Pro" name. I've met a few people that HAVE to have MBPs despite the fact that what they do doesn't even push a Macbook. It's about ego for those people.

But yeah, they'll put solid state storage in there and seal up the case with their own special screws, and when you want to upgrade, you'll buy a new Macbook.

One of the things I love about Thinkpads is that they're designed to be easy to fix/upgrade. That's why you can get one fixed at so many repair centres.
 
2012-03-17 07:39:04 AM

cyberspacedout:
b) uh... who said that?


Your mom mentioned it last night.
 
2012-03-17 09:08:21 AM

farkeruk: Unholythree: The repair-ability of Macbooks is what nearly won me over to their camp for my mobile computing needs. The old Duo Core 2 Macbooks are great to work on. Almost everything not on the logic board can be swapped between models and most components aren't soldered in place. That all changed with the Air and it's not surprising it's the same with the iPad.

Added bonus: there is talk the Pro line will be replaced by a 15" Air; so soon Apple will not have a single user repairable notebook/tablet.

I'll be shocked if they drop the "Pro" name. I've met a few people that HAVE to have MBPs despite the fact that what they do doesn't even push a Macbook. It's about ego for those people.

But yeah, they'll put solid state storage in there and seal up the case with their own special screws, and when you want to upgrade, you'll buy a new Macbook.

One of the things I love about Thinkpads is that they're designed to be easy to fix/upgrade. That's why you can get one fixed at so many repair centres.


Not to defend the iFanboys, but there is no such thing as a regular Mscbook anymore, just the Air and the Pro.
 
2012-03-17 10:42:52 AM

bingethinker: Can we get a Fiction tab for pathetic bullshiat like this?


How about a "Friction" tag - to signify the fanboi butthurt they usually occasion?
 
2012-03-17 11:04:36 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: catonacid: themeaningoflifeisnot: I can see that repairability may be a biatch, but from the perspective of keeping batteries out of landfills,how hard is it to simply cut through the case and pull out the battery?

The iPad 2 is 8.7 mm thick and the iPad 3 at 9.5mm (about a third of an inch for you imperialists.)

How would you effectively cut something out of a piece glass, aluminum and plastic that is under 1 cm thick and with what?

I can't imagine an ipad giving a Sawzall much of a fight. Maybe 10 seconds? Less?


For complete and total disintegration try this:

Why yes, it will blend (new window)
 
2012-03-17 11:39:55 AM

Vaneshi: poot_rootbeer:
Maybe the chimpanzees with putty knives at iFixit can't figure out how to break down a broken iPad for repair or recycling by themselves, but that doesn't mean that Apple-authorized technicians who have read the service manual don't know how to do it.

Smash the glass (it's going to be smelted anyway). PCB's in one bin, battery pack in another. Then those are sent off to be smelted, drained of chemicals, etc.

I mean getting an iPad apart is pretty simple on the assumption you really don't give a fark about putting it back together as a working iPad again. Which the recyclers wouldn't. Unless their a shifty punch of pikeys looking to scavenge 10 iPads in to a FrankenPad for sale on ebay or some shiat.


Not that easy. I repair many iPods, iPads, iPhones, and a plethora of Kindles, Nooks, android phones and tables each week (we are the only repair shop that will do repairs within 300 miles). My shop also recycle mobile devices and I agree with the article, iPad recycling isn't as easy as you make it sound. We don't 'scavenge' parts. We separate and sell for scrap and I scrap about 5-10 iPads, 10-20 phones (iPads/Androids), and about the same number of Mp3 players a week.

The glass and digitizer are melded together on the iPads, making the "Smash the glass and remove components" very very hard. The glass/digitizer acts like the windshield of a car and the glass shards very easily. When I scrap an iPad, it can take 5-10 minutes to remove the glass/digitizer...and I'm not being careful at all.

The batteries are easy once the glass is off, but the boards take time and can't be levered out easily. You do have to unscrew them off the aluminium case if you want the recycling center to accept them. They are damn strict about no left over silicon board parts on the aluminium backing.
 
2012-03-17 11:53:43 AM

catonacid: Vaneshi: poot_rootbeer:
Maybe the chimpanzees with putty knives at iFixit can't figure out how to break down a broken iPad for repair or recycling by themselves, but that doesn't mean that Apple-authorized technicians who have read the service manual don't know how to do it.

Smash the glass (it's going to be smelted anyway). PCB's in one bin, battery pack in another. Then those are sent off to be smelted, drained of chemicals, etc.

I mean getting an iPad apart is pretty simple on the assumption you really don't give a fark about putting it back together as a working iPad again. Which the recyclers wouldn't. Unless their a shifty punch of pikeys looking to scavenge 10 iPads in to a FrankenPad for sale on ebay or some shiat.

What part of adhesive do you not understand? You can't just smash the glass as all that would accomplish is leave you with a lot of shard to chip off the LCD, which by the way isn't recycled by the same process. Without taking off the glass you can't get to the other stuff inside. Even in an iPhone all it takes is two screws near the charging port and the LCD assembly comes off the main body, which is substantially easier to recycle broken components and even replace parts easily prolonging the life of the product, reducing environmental impact and not having to fill up poor countries' landfill with your plastic crap.


I agree with the adhesive part. At least in the iPad 2 and 3 they use a thin doublesided tape. In the original ipad, they used a glue you COULDN'T heatgun away.

As for the iPhone, that beast takes as much time. True it is just two screws near the data port, but then you have to unscrew the board (which has like 10-15 farking screws) then you have 10 screws holding the LCD/Glass/Digitizer combo on. It's just as much work, unfortunately.
 
2012-03-17 12:02:46 PM

Vaneshi: catonacid: repairing stuff is for pinko hippies

First of all, there is nothing inside an iPad to repair. You have the screen/digitizer assembly, a PCB for the home button/dock port, a ribbon cable, a PCB at the top containing the radios, processor, RAM, SSD chips, camera modules (all flow soldered on, just like any other tablet) and a honking great battery pack; not in a consumer friendly shell either but a 'you really don't want to pierce this and its easy to do then you'll make fire' silver baggy. Ohh and the rear shell obviously.


Actually, there is. A local bank bought all of its employees an iPad 2 in addition to their christmas bonus. Even the tellers got one. People are bringing in their iPads for reasons between 'I dropped it/sat on it and want to replace the broken glass (and or LCD)', to 'I spilt a drink on it and need it repaired (Main board, LCD, Cameras)' to 'I can't charge it anymore (broken data port)'.

But I can tell that you have never worked in a tech shop that repairs mobile devices so please, continue talking about things you have no experience in.

The battery will last, on average, 5 years, but which time with moderate to heavy use the SSD may well be approaching its limit on write/erase ops. None of which you can replace without a flow solder rig irrespective of the ball ache of cracking the thing open.

Again, here you talk about things you don't have experience in. The batteries are not soldered in, use a cable/connector system and are easily replaced once the glass is off. The SSD actually is a bit tougher but not impossible to replace at all.

As for the 'scrapping', the recyclers will not take the pads without the components being separated cleanly. They don't use the same smelter for the PCB as they do for Aluminium.
 
2012-03-17 12:09:11 PM
Vaneshi: You have the screen/digitizer assembly, a PCB for the home button/dock port, a ribbon cable, a PCB at the top containing the radios, processor, RAM, SSD chips, camera modules (all flow soldered on, just like any other tablet)

I missed this part. Now I know you have never been inside an iPad and are talking out your ass. The radios, processor, Ramm and SDD are soldered on, true but the Cameras and other components are ribbon cabled together. You can easily remove/replace those components.

Just because you glanced at a video or skimmed an article doesn't mean you understand jack about this as evident with your statement "Camera modules are all flow soldered on just like any other tablet, Derp".
 
2012-03-17 02:19:14 PM

Bschott007: The radios, processor, Ramm and SDD are soldered on


That's genius really. Buy an iPad, run out of space and have to buy a whole new iPad. I guess that having it on the board might give a little more performance benefit, but would it give much of a benefit?
 
2012-03-17 02:21:39 PM
I own a iPad 2 and just love the thing for the most part, but a lot of the items in TFA do annoy me greatly.

Ideally, the iPad would be able to come apart with a few screws, making it easy to change out/upgrade the flash storage, battery and RAM. It's pretty obvious why they don't-- the iPad2 could easily last ten years or even more if the battery didn't "wear out."

One or two USB ports (that weren't crippled like the one with the camera adapter kit) would be nice too, as would ROOT ACCESS WITHOUT JAILBREAKING.

Steve Jobs was a brilliant visionary. But he was also a greedy control freak. Maybe -- probably not, but just maybe Apple will eventually make some smart design decisions now that Jobs is dead.
 
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