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2012-03-16 10:15:22 AM
Past 3 days, the GOP proposing:

-women closing their eyes during vaginal ultrasounds if they don't like it
-not divorcing and remembering the good times if they are abused by their husband
-carrying dead fetus' to term (like farm animals do)
-banning the purchase of birth control for purposes of birth control
-resisting anti-violence against women legislation

That's off the top of my head without even trying.
 
2012-03-16 10:49:10 AM
I'll give credit where it is due. Rick Santorum has made it this far into the primaries without once offering a stern rebuking of states openly holding a "Caucus".
 
2012-03-16 10:58:15 AM
It would be delightful to watch if it weren't so horrifying to think that sh*t like the stuff mrshowrules mentioned were actually being proposed in the 21st century.

The only good I see coming from this is the possibility that it splits the Republican party thereby breaking the two party system and allowing for a split in the Democratic party, also.
 
2012-03-16 11:05:32 AM

Calmamity: The only good I see coming from this is the possibility that it splits the Republican party thereby breaking the two party system and allowing for a split in the Democratic party, also.


I wouldn't look for that to happen, but if the GOP wants to ever win anything again, they're going to have to redefine themselves. Their old message just isn't selling anymore.
 
2012-03-16 11:23:29 AM
Thanks you very much, Michael Steele.

God bless you. And God bless the idiots that put you in charge.
 
2012-03-16 11:23:30 AM
Try 2008.
 
2012-03-16 11:23:30 AM
let me put on my tinfoil hat and say that it is odd that the miscounts and errors seem to favor Romney.
 
2012-03-16 11:26:46 AM
i40.tinypic.com

My god has anyone seen a more stereotypical suburban republican housewife? You just know her Mary Kay Cadillac is parked outside, doors thoroughly locked because there are black people seen in the area.
 
2012-03-16 11:26:54 AM

nekom: Calmamity: The only good I see coming from this is the possibility that it splits the Republican party thereby breaking the two party system and allowing for a split in the Democratic party, also.

I wouldn't look for that to happen, but if the GOP wants to ever win anything again, they're going to have to redefine themselves. Their old message just isn't selling anymore.


But it still results in electoral success roughly half the time. There's no incentive for them to change.
 
2012-03-16 11:27:16 AM
And everyone thought the Daily Show would go bust after President Bush left office...

When your house is falling down, replacing one brick just won't do.
 
2012-03-16 11:28:15 AM
I might be missing something but from what I've seen only the Democrats seem to be loudly opposing these crazy policies, so if the Republicans are proposing these things to their supporters and their supporters are okay with them... is the GOP really melting down? Might it not be argued that it is in fact being genuinely accountable to its supporters, in which case the only melting down is in libs heads? Maybe the Repubs are failing to attract voters with liberal tendencies with these crazy policies but I reckon they are attracting instead ones with ignorant perspectives and ultra-conservative ideologies, and aren't ultra conservatives the rising majority in US?
 
2012-03-16 11:28:59 AM

mrshowrules: Past 3 days, the GOP proposing:

-women closing their eyes during vaginal ultrasounds if they don't like it
-not divorcing and remembering the good times if they are abused by their husband
-carrying dead fetus' to term (like farm animals do)
-banning the purchase of birth control for purposes of birth control
-resisting anti-violence against women legislation

That's off the top of my head without even trying.


Stop acting like those are problems. The GOP is never wrong!

/meh, its hard to do that and not vomit all over my screen...
 
2012-03-16 11:29:23 AM
This female bashing led by Rush Limbaugh is sure winning them hearts and minds.
 
2012-03-16 11:29:45 AM

skodabunny: I might be missing something


It's called "a brain".

/the whole "I'm just asking questions" thing is old
 
2012-03-16 11:30:17 AM

Gotfire: [i40.tinypic.com image 640x353]

My god has anyone seen a more stereotypical suburban republican housewife? You just know her Mary Kay Cadillac is parked outside, doors thoroughly locked because there are black people seen in the area.



And the guy in the background, right in the center? The one with the cane? He shouts at clouds..
 
2012-03-16 11:30:47 AM

mrshowrules: Past 3 days, the GOP proposing:

-women closing their eyes during vaginal ultrasounds if they don't like it
-not divorcing and remembering the good times if they are abused by their husband
-carrying dead fetus' to term (like farm animals do)
-banning the purchase of birth control for purposes of birth control
-resisting anti-violence against women legislation

That's off the top of my head without even trying.


The whole war on women MSM narrative is a fabricated distraction from real issues. The GOP loves women.

/I have to be sick now.
 
2012-03-16 11:31:06 AM

nekom: if the GOP wants to ever win anything again, they're going to have to redefine themselves. Their old message just isn't selling anymore.


Republicans seem to be doing just fine. Republicans control the majority of state legislatures, Republicans control congress, and guys like Santorum are raking in millions and millions of dollars in campaign contributions.

Remember, for every politician trying to stomp on the rights of women, there are a hundred constituents cheering him on and sending him cash. Nobody is doing this stuff in a vacuum. They're doing it because it works.
 
2012-03-16 11:31:25 AM

Gotfire: [i40.tinypic.com image 640x353]

My god has anyone seen a more stereotypical suburban republican housewife? You just know her Mary Kay Cadillac is parked outside, doors thoroughly locked because there are black people seen in the area.


I saw that and thought "Oh, we got both kinds. Old and white."
 
2012-03-16 11:31:41 AM

Gotfire: You just know her Mary Kay Cadillac is parked outside, doors thoroughly locked because there are black people seen in the area.


They must be outside, because there certainly aren't any in that room...
 
2012-03-16 11:31:49 AM
i40.tinypic.com

www.alicia-logic.com
 
2012-03-16 11:31:50 AM
Is social regression really a sound platform on which to run?
 
2012-03-16 11:32:07 AM

Gotfire: [i40.tinypic.com image 640x353]

My god has anyone seen a more stereotypical suburban republican housewife? You just know her Mary Kay Cadillac is parked outside, doors thoroughly locked because there are black people seen in the area.



THIS. Not to mention that huge hair! I could totally blast one up there and she wouldn't find it for days.
 
2012-03-16 11:32:49 AM
Republican Hair sighted.
 
2012-03-16 11:33:53 AM

Wadded Beef: Is social regression really a sound platform on which to run?


Apparently the answer is yes, at least until it becomes clear that it harms their electoral chances...
 
2012-03-16 11:37:22 AM

Gotfire: [i40.tinypic.com image 640x353]

My god has anyone seen a more stereotypical suburban republican housewife? You just know her Mary Kay Cadillac is parked outside, doors thoroughly locked because there are black people seen in the area.


Why wouldn't you lock your doors when leaving your car in a public area, regardless of the ethnic diversity of the area?
 
2012-03-16 11:37:29 AM

Wadded Beef: Is social regression really a sound platform on which to run?


Long term? Who knows. But it certainly hasn't hurt them in any measurable way thus far.
 
2012-03-16 11:38:01 AM
2012: Year Of The Caucus Meltdown

Caucuses, which require citizens to actively participate in a mini-convention with their neighbors in which supporters of each candidate make the case for their vote, are hailed by supporters as a way to energize the grassroots with a more involved approach than primaries. But they're more time-consuming and complicated than simply dropping off a ballot, setting up more barriers to participation and creating more potential for things to go awry.

we should discuss subby's headline, not the article.
 
2012-03-16 11:38:49 AM

qorkfiend: But it still results in electoral success roughly half the time. There's no incentive for them to change.


That's changing fast. As time goes by, less and less people give a shait about gays that want to get married, for instance. People are beginning to realize that nobody is coming for their guns, hell that's barely even an issue that's discussed anymore. Using the wedge issues of gays, guns, abortions, etc. is going to become less and less effective in getting poor people to vote against their own interests. They need a fresh new angle if they expect to stay in the running.
 
2012-03-16 11:40:34 AM
The parallel with 1972 continues:

Nobody is rabidly pro-Obama, but the collection of non-entities and outright crazies the GOP is putting forth aren't really a viable option.
 
2012-03-16 11:41:56 AM

skodabunny: I might be missing something but from what I've seen only the Democrats seem to be loudly opposing these crazy policies, so if the Republicans are proposing these things to their supporters and their supporters are okay with them... is the GOP really melting down? Might it not be argued that it is in fact being genuinely accountable to its supporters, in which case the only melting down is in libs heads? Maybe the Repubs are failing to attract voters with liberal tendencies with these crazy policies but I reckon they are attracting instead ones with ignorant perspectives and ultra-conservative ideologies, and aren't ultra conservatives the rising majority in US?


Not really, no.

Women are fleeing the GOP in droves. Blacks and Hispanics want nothing to do with them. Young people (other than the Paulites) have already passed them by. They are crystallizing their supporters into nothing but old, male WASPs, and that is going to be less and less a power base as time goes on.
 
2012-03-16 11:42:00 AM

MFAWG: The parallel with 1972 continues:

Nobody is rabidly pro-Obama, but the collection of non-entities and outright crazies the GOP is putting forth aren't really a viable option.


I'm pro-Obama. Very much so.
 
2012-03-16 11:42:05 AM

skodabunny: and aren't ultra conservatives the rising majority in US?


Wat? No. I guess I can see how it seems like it from the outside, since they are a very large and vocal minority, who are attempting to hold our country hostage. But... ultraconservatives are thankfully not a majority and are not going to be.
 
2012-03-16 11:42:51 AM

Gotfire: My god has anyone seen a more stereotypical suburban republican housewife?


Looks like she's copying Annette Bening's style from American Beauty.
 
2012-03-16 11:44:02 AM
I hope so, but people have been predicting this for years.
 
2012-03-16 11:44:12 AM

mrshowrules: Past 3 days, the GOP proposing:

-women closing their eyes during vaginal ultrasounds if they don't like it
-not divorcing and remembering the good times if they are abused by their husband
-carrying dead fetus' to term (like farm animals do)
-banning the purchase of birth control for purposes of birth control
-resisting anti-violence against women legislation

That's off the top of my head without even trying.


I have a hard time laughing this stuff off anymore...am I alone in thinking this stuff is actually pretty scary? These guys think these ideas will help them secure control of a state or the country. And for fark sakes, in some cases, they're right! That's farking frightening to me.

SpocksEars: Gotfire: [i40.tinypic.com image 640x353]

My god has anyone seen a more stereotypical suburban republican housewife? You just know her Mary Kay Cadillac is parked outside, doors thoroughly locked because there are black people seen in the area.


THIS. Not to mention that huge hair! I could totally blast one up there and she wouldn't find it for days.


OK, this made me chortle. It's funny 'cause it's true!
 
2012-03-16 11:44:15 AM

SpocksEars: I could totally blast one up there and she wouldn't find it for days.



It would only help maintain the do.
 
2012-03-16 11:47:14 AM

nekom: That's changing fast. As time goes by, less and less people give a shait about gays that want to get married, for instance. People are beginning to realize that nobody is coming for their guns, hell that's barely even an issue that's discussed anymore. Using the wedge issues of gays, guns, abortions, etc. is going to become less and less effective in getting poor people to vote against their own interests. They need a fresh new angle if they expect to stay in the running.


There's also less and less people scared by the Soviet/Communist boogieman. The worst they've got now is China, who is above reproach because they make all of our stuff, and "European Socialism", which anyone who bothers to read up on it means a better quality of life for all citizens, rather than just those born into it/steal it.
 
2012-03-16 11:48:59 AM

bmongar: The GOP loves women.


Especially when they know their place.
 
2012-03-16 11:52:38 AM

bwilson27: MFAWG: The parallel with 1972 continues:

Nobody is rabidly pro-Obama, but the collection of non-entities and outright crazies the GOP is putting forth aren't really a viable option.

I'm pro-Obama. Very much so.


Why? What has he done for you? I'm genuinely asking. I would describe myself as Obama neutral. I didn't vote for the guy the first time, but he hasn't really given me any strong reason to support him this time...aside from the fact that the GOP has hopped aboard the crazy train. But support that stems from simply being anti the opposition doesn't seem like strong support at all.

Discuss.
 
2012-03-16 11:52:47 AM

skodabunny: I might be missing something but from what I've seen only the Democrats seem to be loudly opposing these crazy policies, so if the Republicans are proposing these things to their supporters and their supporters are okay with them... is the GOP really melting down? Might it not be argued that it is in fact being genuinely accountable to its supporters, in which case the only melting down is in libs heads? Maybe the Repubs are failing to attract voters with liberal tendencies with these crazy policies but I reckon they are attracting instead ones with ignorant perspectives and ultra-conservative ideologies, and aren't ultra conservatives the rising majority in US?


Conservatives are 20-30% of the voting population, tops. The fact that Romney, who clearly isn't the super conservative the far right wants, is winning this primary shows how small they are. Also their views on subjects that keep going on about like contraception and gay marriage are out of step with regular Americans. And you can see on some of those polls that America is trending away from those far right positions.

The Republican party is a fusion of these radical social conservatives and libertarian leaning folk who want low taxes and government regulation. However most people seem to be finding the radicals more unpalatable which could lead to a split, and therefore an end, to the party.
 
2012-03-16 11:52:52 AM
Typical desperate lib crap trying to take everyone's mind off the real issues that face this country. Keep it up and enjoy watching the masses ignore these manufactured crises.
 
2012-03-16 11:53:47 AM

MFAWG: The parallel with 1972 continues:

Nobody is rabidly pro-Obama, but the collection of non-entities and outright crazies the GOP is putting forth aren't really a viable option.


Nah, more like 1964.

"Vote for President Obama on November 6. The stakes are too high for you to stay home."
 
2012-03-16 11:55:27 AM

skodabunny: I might be missing something but from what I've seen only the Democrats seem to be loudly opposing these crazy policies, so if the Republicans are proposing these things to their supporters and their supporters are okay with them... is the GOP really melting down? Might it not be argued that it is in fact being genuinely accountable to its supporters, in which case the only melting down is in libs heads? Maybe the Repubs are failing to attract voters with liberal tendencies with these crazy policies but I reckon they are attracting instead ones with ignorant perspectives and ultra-conservative ideologies, and aren't ultra conservatives the rising majority in US?


No.
 
2012-03-16 11:56:50 AM
We have here the Party of Fear vs the Party of Hope.

In a bad economy, Fear sells and that advantage gets used to cram in a lot of awful policy. This is why the Party of Fear has been doing its best to thwart recovery - until November.
 
2012-03-16 11:56:51 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: bmongar: The GOP loves women.

Especially when they know their place.


Why do brides wear white?
//So the dishwasher can match the rest of the appliances.
 
2012-03-16 11:56:55 AM

mrshowrules: Past 3 days, the GOP proposing:

-women closing their eyes during vaginal ultrasounds if they don't like it
-not divorcing and remembering the good times if they are abused by their husband
-carrying dead fetus' to term (like farm animals do)
-banning the purchase of birth control for purposes of birth control
-resisting anti-violence against women legislation

That's off the top of my head without even trying.


And of course calling a woman a slut and a prostitute for talking about how some medical conditions need to be treated with the pill.

Viagra is, however, A-Ok. These are women's problems after all, no need to punish men because of those sluts.
 
2012-03-16 11:58:51 AM

Wadded Beef: Is social regression really a sound platform on which to run?


Of course it is. When your version of the good old days is just like an episode of the Andy Griffith show.
 
MFL
2012-03-16 11:58:55 AM
lol libs.....your strategery isn't working. Please keep it up.

ABC Poll: Romney Beats Obama as President's Ratings Plunge! (new window)

The country has caught on to the rediculious narrative that your media lapdogs have been pushing and the "weakest frontrunner in history" is spanking your messiah..
 
2012-03-16 12:02:44 PM

Le Grand Inquisitor: bwilson27: MFAWG: The parallel with 1972 continues:

Nobody is rabidly pro-Obama, but the collection of non-entities and outright crazies the GOP is putting forth aren't really a viable option.

I'm pro-Obama. Very much so.

Why? What has he done for you? I'm genuinely asking. I would describe myself as Obama neutral. I didn't vote for the guy the first time, but he hasn't really given me any strong reason to support him this time...aside from the fact that the GOP has hopped aboard the crazy train. But support that stems from simply being anti the opposition doesn't seem like strong support at all.

Discuss.


Honestly? Among other things, until single payer comes along, the health insurance reform is perhaps one of the only ways my GF is *ever* going to be able to get coverage (sans some small tricks on my end) again, given that she had a stroke at 24. (She's fine now!)

So I'm pleased with him on that front. I'd have preferred single payer, but that wasn't going to happen.
 
2012-03-16 12:04:49 PM

MFL: lol libs.....your strategery isn't working. Please keep it up.

ABC Poll: Romney Beats Obama as President's Ratings Plunge! (new window)

The country has caught on to the rediculious narrative that your media lapdogs have been pushing and the "weakest frontrunner in history" is spanking your messiah..


"If the presidential election took place today, the poll found that Romney would beat Obama 49 percent to 47 percent."

"The president was barely ahead of former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who is running second in the Republican pack - 49 percent to 46 percent."

Republican ahead by two points: "WOOO HE'S LOSING TO ROMNEY!"
Republican behind by three points "He's just BARELY holding on to victory!"

Wat.
 
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