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MFL
2012-03-16 01:50:47 PM  
Don't Troll Me Bro! Exaggerated? These are well documented things, such as proposed legislation and video interviews with elected officials. You're not very good at this. I hope they aren't paying you very much, 'cause your deflection is some of the weakest I've seen. lol, lol, lol, Obama narrative weak? Really?

If you want to play that game we could put up quotes from the nutjob wing of the DNC all day long. That doesn't mean the vast majority of the party believes it.

Democrats wouldn't already be pulling out the crazy (it's only march) if they weren't terrified that women won't show this time around.

Paul Baumer
For the gentleman who can never quite seem to keep up -

For gentlemen who don't know how to use a calendar.

3/11/12 abc/washington post (new window)

3/12/12 CBS/NYT Obama's approval ratings upside-down, hits new low
(new window)

Today (new window)

Somebody is in trouble....
 
2012-03-16 02:06:17 PM  

MFL: If you want to play that game we could put up quotes from the nutjob wing of the DNC all day long. That doesn't mean the vast majority of the party believes it.


Do it.

t1.gstatic.com

HRRREEEARRRGHHH!!!!
 
2012-03-16 02:11:49 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I saw that and thought "Oh, we got both kinds. Old and white."


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2012-03-16 02:12:26 PM  

MFL: If you want to play that game we could put up quotes from the nutjob wing of the DNC all day long.


That's what you should do, show these libtards with all the stupid quotes from Dems during the same time frame...
 
2012-03-16 02:18:31 PM  

bbfreak: skodabunny: I might be missing something but from what I've seen only the Democrats seem to be loudly opposing these crazy policies, so if the Republicans are proposing these things to their supporters and their supporters are okay with them... is the GOP really melting down? Might it not be argued that it is in fact being genuinely accountable to its supporters, in which case the only melting down is in libs heads? Maybe the Repubs are failing to attract voters with liberal tendencies with these crazy policies but I reckon they are attracting instead ones with ignorant perspectives and ultra-conservative ideologies, and aren't ultra conservatives the rising majority in US?

No. Keep telling yourself that but no the ultra conservatives are the minority. Brown people, young people are the rising majority. Old white people wont be around for forever.


You sound like my parents 40 years ago.
 
MFL
2012-03-16 02:18:42 PM  
mrshowrules
All these examples were posted with supporting information as recently as today.

So what? Nobody outside the bubble cares.

The way the president is going about this campain is really odd to say the least. It's like the last 4 years didn't happen and he's desperately searching for a bogeyman to run against.
 
2012-03-16 02:18:49 PM  

Mnemia: Felgraf: Honestly? Among other things, until single payer comes along, the health insurance reform is perhaps one of the only ways my GF is *ever* going to be able to get coverage (sans some small tricks on my end) again, given that she had a stroke at 24. (She's fine now!)

So I'm pleased with him on that front. I'd have preferred single payer, but that wasn't going to happen.

That is actually my biggest reason for supporting him, too. I have a genetic disease, and so I'm also affected by the preexisting condition crap (and through no fault of my own, since I was born with it). I'm currently freelancing, which means that the only way I can get insurance is by being on my wife's group policy. I could get a job that would provide insurance benefits, but that means I have to make my career decisions based more on that than on doing what I want to do and what I could otherwise make more money at. So I hope that once the relevant portions of "Obamacare" kick in, I'll be able to actually purchase a decent individual insurance policy. So preserving that law until 2014 is very important to me, and a major reason why I will be voting for Obama again.


Me too. I have a (mild) case of OI, and also want to move to freelance full time (I do some on the side). I'm not married, though, so I don't have a wife with a plan I can take advantage of. I'm essentially stuck in my job until the preexisting condition provision of the ACA kicks in (2014?) because I can't get insurance on my own.
 
2012-03-16 02:20:08 PM  

MFL: mrshowrules
All these examples were posted with supporting information as recently as today.

So what? Nobody outside the bubble cares.

The way the president is going about this campain is really odd to say the least. It's like the last 4 years didn't happen and he's desperately searching for a bogeyman to run against.


Why would he? Unemployment is going down, stocks are going up, people are starting to get confident about the economy again.

Not his fault the GOP keeps farking the morality chicken.
 
2012-03-16 02:23:51 PM  

MFL: Don't Troll Me Bro! Exaggerated? These are well documented things, such as proposed legislation and video interviews with elected officials. You're not very good at this. I hope they aren't paying you very much, 'cause your deflection is some of the weakest I've seen. lol, lol, lol, Obama narrative weak? Really?

If you want to play that game we could put up quotes from the nutjob wing of the DNC all day long. That doesn't mean the vast majority of the party believes it.

Democrats wouldn't already be pulling out the crazy (it's only march) if they weren't terrified that women won't show this time around.

Paul Baumer
For the gentleman who can never quite seem to keep up -

For gentlemen who don't know how to use a calendar.

3/11/12 abc/washington post (new window)

3/12/12 CBS/NYT Obama's approval ratings upside-down, hits new low
(new window)

Today (new window)

Somebody is in trouble....


Yes, they are -

Polls from NEWER than the ABC poll (3/7 - 3/10)


FOX News 3/10 - 3/12 912 RV 46 42 Obama +4
Reuters/Ipsos 3/8 - 3/11 937 RV 52 41 Obama +11
Bloomberg 3/8 - 3/11 746 LV 47 47 Tie
Pew Research 3/7 - 3/11 1188 RV 54 42 Obama +12
CBS News/NY Times 3/7 - 3/11 878 RV 47 44 Obama +3"

And since you've changed the subject from "Romney beats Obama!" to "Obama's approval rating is tanking!"


That big Obama poll drop? It never happened
(new window)

Here, via Pollster, is the wrap up of all the polling taken roughly during the same time period as the Times poll:

CBS/NYT - March 7-11 - 41%

Bloomberg - March 8-11 - 48%

Ipsos/Reuters - March 8-11 - 50%

ABC/WaPo - March 7-10 - 46%

Pew - March 7-11 - 50%

Gallup - March 10-12 - 47%

Rasmussen - March 11-13 - 47%

The Times poll is an outlier. The overall Pollster trend is now at around 47 percent - put all the polling together and the trend is either slightly up or slightly down over the last month, depending on how one reads the data. (The key variable is whether you want your trend line to overreact or underreact to each poll - whether you place more or less emphasis on the most recent polls - something you can change by adjusting Pollster's "smoothing" function.)

Either way, there's no getting around the fact that the big Obama polling drop last week never happened. Never happened.


Get a load of this guy - what a maroon. What a ta-ra-ra-goon-de-ay.
 
2012-03-16 02:26:55 PM  

MFL: So what? Nobody outside the bubble cares.

The way the president is going about this campain is really odd to say the least. It's like the last 4 years didn't happen and he's desperately searching for a bogeyman to run against.


Ha! How do you type and lick batteries at the same time?
 
2012-03-16 02:36:08 PM  

MFL: So what? Nobody outside the bubble cares.


Not sure I understand. So I'm supposed to be nside the bubble and you are outside the bubble and don't care?

I'm a Canadian man talking about attacks on women's rights in the US. How far outside of the bubble are you? Also, if you don't care, why challenge the point I raised?
 
2012-03-16 02:38:00 PM  

Mrtraveler01: MFL: mrshowrules
All these examples were posted with supporting information as recently as today.

So what? Nobody outside the bubble cares.

The way the president is going about this campain is really odd to say the least. It's like the last 4 years didn't happen and he's desperately searching for a bogeyman to run against.

Why would he? Unemployment is going down, stocks are going up, people are starting to get confident about the economy again.

Not his fault the GOP keeps farking the morality chicken.


I think it has been raised on Fark before but it is no longer a chicken, it is a clump of bloody feathers.
 
2012-03-16 02:39:31 PM  

Masso: Thanks you very much, Michael Steele.

God bless you. And God bless the idiots that put you in charge.


Reince Priebus and I are wondering if we're missing a joke.
 
2012-03-16 02:42:48 PM  
What's the difference between a GOP Caucus and a cactus?

The cactus has the pricks on the OUTSIDE!
 
2012-03-16 02:47:07 PM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: What's the difference between a GOP Caucus and a cactus?

The cactus has the pricks on the OUTSIDE!


Fwd:fwd:FWD:Re:LOL!!!Fwd:Wait till you read this one! LOL!!!RE:FWD:WAIT TILL YOU READ THIS ONE!!!!! PASS IT ON! LMAO!!!!
 
2012-03-16 03:14:22 PM  

smeegle: skodabunny: and aren't ultra conservatives the rising majority in US?

Thats a good question. I get the impression that they are just louder and it only seems like their numbers are increasing.




Self-identified conservatives now outnumber self-identified liberals in every state but Massachusetts.

The problem is that the people using the term conservative to describe themselves don't have any farking clue what it means. When polled on specific issues, the "liberal" position comes out ahead of the "conservative" position more often than not.

Remarking on political label shifts in the country is pointless as long as this disjunction between labels and positions continues.

"Im a pro-environment, pro-gay marriage, pro-pot conservative."
"Wouldn't the better label for you be progressive?"
"fark no, those guys are all hippies."
 
2012-03-16 03:27:49 PM  

Hershey Highway Patrol: Wadded Beef: Is social regression really a sound platform on which to run?

Of course it is. When your version of the good old days is just like an episode of the Andy Griffith show.


To be honest, Andy wouldnt be welcome in today's GOP. They'd love Barney and Earnest T Bass though.
 
2012-03-16 03:29:29 PM  
Why do closeted gays hate women so much?
 
2012-03-16 03:40:32 PM  
"mysteriously missing votes"

ACORN strikes again!
 
2012-03-16 03:58:48 PM  

MFL: The way the president is going about this campain is really odd to say the least. It's like the last 4 years didn't happen and he's desperately searching for a bogeyman to run against.


It's more like he's patiently waiting for you knuckleheads to nominate one. He has no need to campaign against all four of them. He's smart enough to let them tear each other to bits. Then he can put together a "greatest hits" album of the most effective stuff against the winner. Do you really think there is no record of all of this crap for him to draw from when it comes time for him to start running ads?
 
2012-03-16 04:09:41 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: smeegle: skodabunny: and aren't ultra conservatives the rising majority in US?

Thats a good question. I get the impression that they are just louder and it only seems like their numbers are increasing.



Self-identified conservatives now outnumber self-identified liberals in every state but Massachusetts.

The problem is that the people using the term conservative to describe themselves don't have any farking clue what it means. When polled on specific issues, the "liberal" position comes out ahead of the "conservative" position more often than not.

Remarking on political label shifts in the country is pointless as long as this disjunction between labels and positions continues.

"Im a pro-environment, pro-gay marriage, pro-pot conservative."
"Wouldn't the better label for you be progressive?"
"fark no, those guys are all hippies."


As long as "Liberal" continues to mean "screaming, prancing, burble-brained, America-hating wussbag" (or to be defined by most of America as same), I don't see things changing on that front anytime soon.
 
2012-03-16 04:36:24 PM  

nekom: qorkfiend: But it still results in electoral success roughly half the time. There's no incentive for them to change.

That's changing fast. As time goes by, less and less people give a shait about gays that want to get married, for instance. People are beginning to realize that nobody is coming for their guns, hell that's barely even an issue that's discussed anymore. Using the wedge issues of gays, guns, abortions, etc. is going to become less and less effective in getting poor people to vote against their own interests. They need a fresh new angle if they expect to stay in the running.


I take it you don't spend much time in Oklahoma...
 
2012-03-16 04:43:08 PM  

bbfreak: skodabunny: teasing blah

No. Keep telling yourself that


lol
 
2012-03-16 04:57:57 PM  

Masso: Thanks you very much, Michael Steele.

God bless you. And God bless the idiots that put you in charge.


Dude, seriously. More and more I wonder if Michael Steele is really a Democratic plant. Because I see him on MSNBC all the time, and I swear to god it takes everything he has to not smirk and say "Ooh I got you, I got you all, you cracker-ass crackers" to his former GOP allies.
 
2012-03-16 05:01:13 PM  

MFL: lol libs.....your strategery isn't working. Please keep it up.

ABC Poll: Romney Beats Obama as President's Ratings Plunge! (new window)

The country has caught on to the rediculious narrative that your media lapdogs have been pushing and the "weakest frontrunner in history" is spanking your messiah..


The margin by which Romney "beats" Obama is half of the MARGIN OF ERROR of the poll.

Keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-03-16 05:04:21 PM  

brigid_fitch: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: ignatius_crumbcake: MFL: It's tough to win re-election when the narrative you are running on is exagerated nonsense like this.

The narrative he will be running on is an improving economy and dead terrorists.

Meanwhile all of the dumbass things the GOP nominee (whomever it is) has said over the past few months while pandering to cretins will be repeated over and over again.

But I heard John King on Diane Rehm this morning saying over and over again that Obama would lose because gas prices. Over and over again. Over. And. Over. Again.

King's an idiot and a sensationalist--can't stand him. Gas will come back down in the fall like it does every single time & will no longer be as big a deal in November.


And people like my father will be convinced it's because "they" lowered gas prices immediately before the election.

Someone said in another thread there is exactly _one thing_ a President can do to affect gas prices - go to war with a major oil supplier. That's pretty much it.
 
2012-03-16 05:08:41 PM  

taliesinwi: MFL: lol libs.....your strategery isn't working. Please keep it up.

ABC Poll: Romney Beats Obama as President's Ratings Plunge! (new window)

The country has caught on to the rediculious narrative that your media lapdogs have been pushing and the "weakest frontrunner in history" is spanking your messiah..

The margin by which Romney "beats" Obama is half of the MARGIN OF ERROR of the poll.

Keep farking that chicken.


Kerry inches ahead of Bush: poll
Tuesday 9 March 2004
Jeremy Lennard looks at a new poll that has John Kerry leading George Bush in the race for the White House
 
2012-03-16 05:53:52 PM  
Oh..it's this article again.
 
2012-03-16 06:36:44 PM  

Tax Boy: Felgraf: "The president was barely ahead of former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who is running second in the Republican pack - 49 percent to 46 percent."

These polls are meaningless unless they take electoral votes into account.

/because who ever wins the popular vote always wins the presidency, right?


This poll say Santorum will win 46 percant of the vote, let that sink in. No way will he come close to that. Bogus poll is bogus.
 
2012-03-16 07:34:18 PM  

The Larch: dionysusaur: In a bad economy, Fear sells and that advantage gets used to cram in a lot of awful policy. This is why the Party of Fear has been doing its best to thwart recovery - until November.

People keep saying this, but I think they're wrong. I have seen no evidence that the Republicans have any interest in working on the economy after November.


You misunderstand - if they get their way, after November they can do as they like. Until then, though, they have to keep the derp machines going full blast and doing all they can to keep folks from noticing things are starting to get better.
 
2012-03-16 09:24:20 PM  
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
 
2012-03-17 12:40:52 AM  
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Goddamn, another backwards McCarthyite shill?
 
2012-03-17 02:53:33 AM  
I seem to recall that 2006-2008 was "clearly" the end of the Republicans.

Then in 2010 they won so big that it was one for the history books.

But yes, keep declaring that the Republicans are going to 'destroy' themselves.
 
2012-03-17 03:33:49 AM  

randomjsa: I seem to recall that 2006-2008 was "clearly" the end of the Republicans.

Then in 2010 they won so big that it was one for the history books.

But yes, keep declaring that the Republicans are going to 'destroy' themselves.


By what measure?
 
2012-03-17 04:30:46 AM  

skepticultist: Masso: Thanks you very much, Michael Steele.

God bless you. And God bless the idiots that put you in charge.

Dude, seriously. More and more I wonder if Michael Steele is really a Democratic plant. Because I see him on MSNBC all the time, and I swear to god it takes everything he has to not smirk and say "Ooh I got you, I got you all, you cracker-ass crackers" to his former GOP allies.


I miss puppet Michael Steele.
 
2012-03-17 05:22:31 AM  

MFAWG: Nobody is rabidly pro-Obama...


... and Dems worship Him as their Savior who can do no wrong; it's both, right?
 
2012-03-17 06:19:07 AM  
it can't melt fast enough.
 
2012-03-17 09:20:01 AM  

bwilson27: MFAWG: The parallel with 1972 continues:

Nobody is rabidly pro-Obama, but the collection of non-entities and outright crazies the GOP is putting forth aren't really a viable option.

I'm pro-Obama. Very much so.


Go start reading Glenn Greenwald's archive and see how long you remain so. The Obama admin may be better than anything the R's could provide, but it's certainly not dedicated to the ideals I was raised to associate with our Union and the term "liberal".
 
2012-03-17 09:28:33 AM  

qorkfiend: Wadded Beef: Is social regression really a sound platform on which to run?

Apparently the answer is yes, at least until it becomes clear that it harms their electoral chances...


I'd say it already has, which is why the R's are turning to gerrymandering, voter suppression, and anti-labor laws everywhere they control a state house. If the people won't vote for you, then the "best" policy is to discourage and dilute their vote, while simultaneously magnifying those of your supporters.
 
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