Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Talking Points Memo)   Already accustomed to fighting losing battles, the GOP continues their battle against birth control   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 609
    More: Followup, GOP, birth control, Republican, The Republicans, Debbie Downer, Tammy Baldwin, Chuck Schumer, Claire McCaskill  
•       •       •

6429 clicks; posted to Politics » on 16 Mar 2012 at 1:19 PM (3 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



609 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-03-16 01:16:11 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: See counter arguments are easy and fun to come up with...


You know what else is fun and easy?
 
2012-03-16 01:20:58 PM  

vernonFL: SphericalTime: the issue is one of community safety.

Don't try to make this an issue of community safety! This is about religious freedom

Why should the Amish have to buy plastic reflectors when that is against their religion? Why aren't Republicans having Congressional hearings about that? I haven't heard Rush Limbaugh or anyone else defending the Amish.


Don't like reflectors? Stay off public streets.
Don't like paying for your own birth control? Get a job somewhere that covers it.
 
2012-03-16 01:24:28 PM  

kingoomieiii: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 640x353]

Look at this ridiculous slut. I'll bet she burns through all those pills in a week!


No doubt. Consumption of birth-control pills is directly proportional to the amount of horny sexy fun time a slut enjoys.

Rush said it, I believe it, that settles it!
 
2012-03-16 01:24:34 PM  

Bevets: This was settled church doctrine long before the United States even existed. The Catholic Church did not seek this conflict -- this conflict was imposed on the church. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion -- that liberty has been seriously undermined here.


Why do we never see you in antiwar threads protesting that the government is using your tax dollars to kill people?
 
2012-03-16 01:26:02 PM  

Aarontology: Lionel Mandrake: Mugato: And never one word about the insurance companies that cover boner pills.

THIS

Why the Hell? Any FARK independents care to answer?

It's not evil, sinful, and immoral when men have sex. Duh.

Only the whores they're having sex with are evil.


You guys are missing the point. Boner pills are used by men.
 
2012-03-16 01:26:44 PM  

Mugato: This shiat is farking disgusting. If I paid more attention in my mandatory sociology class in college I might be able to explain this resurgence in puritanical fascist bullshiat but I don't get it. When I was a kid Reagan and Bush v1.0 were as conservative as they came but they never went on about this sort of thing like what's going on today. I remember Dan Quayle putting down the fictional character "Murphy Brown" for having a child out of wedlock and the entire nation beat him down with laughter and ridicule. WTF happened?


I think a lot of conservatives see this as some sort of last ditch, now-or-never time for conservatism. With the millennium behind us, no one seriously believing this 2012 Mayan nonsense, and no other realistic doomsday scenario before them, they have to paint fartbongo has all four hoursemen rolled into one, and only by going full 1950's retard can they hope to "save" "their" country.

America elected a black president with a foreign name and the sky didn't fall, the country didn't collapse into civil war, and things, while not perfect, are still pretty damn decent. At least for those of us in realityville. This is the (hopefully) last gasp of a dying philosophy.
 
2012-03-16 01:26:44 PM  
A Bloomberg poll released Wednesday found 62 percent of all respondents say the fight over new rules requiring insurance plans to cover contraception "involves health care and access to birth control." Around 70 percent of women said the same thing.

Or, to put it another way, almost one third of women, and almost half of all Americans, don't.

ALMOST HALF.
 
2012-03-16 01:26:54 PM  

vernonFL: The Catholic Church should not be compelled to participate in an act (through funding) they find morally abhorrent.

Amish people have to put reflectors on their buggies. Its a law. Some Amish people went to jail rather than put the reflectors on.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]


Yeah. They saw the reflectors as a "vanity" and "unnecessary decoration," apparently being utterly unfamiliar with the definition of either "vanity" or "decoration."

/It don't look that great, brother Jedediah. Your conscience remains clean.
 
2012-03-16 01:26:57 PM  
F(a relevant)A: "I believe we live in America," said Majority Whip Debbie Lesko (R-Glendale), who sponsored the bill. "We don't live in the Soviet Union. So, government should not be telling the organizations or mom-and-pop employers to do something against their moral beliefs."

#1--that's a horrible precedent to set. Pretty soon HIV suppression therapy won't be paid because it's expensiv--erm, "those homos shouldn't be having that homosex anyway". C-sections won't be covered because they're more expens--wait, "God gave women a perfectly good exit point for the baby, use that". Addiction management programs won't be covered because "drugs are bad and druggies are worse, why would I pay to give methadone to a drug addict?? that's what he wants anyway". Lung cancer won't be covered because "he spent his years smoking, that's what he gets". It gives companies a perverse incentive to look at their line-items for healthcare costs and find reasons to stop covering their most expensive conditions. Just wait. People will find a reason to consider dialysis treatment morally reprehensible.

#2--the quote above tells you exactly which side she's on. The protection of civil liberty belongs to the PERSON not the organization. But you know, you wrap it in "hey we're not communists here, we're gonna let your boss unilaterally control this aspect of your life" and suddenly it's ok.
 
2012-03-16 01:27:00 PM  

mrshowrules: I have a simpler example. My religion is against murder but I have to pay for the murder of thousands of brown people I never met.


As the Supreme Court has said in the past, you cannot prove your dollars went to kill brown people or to Food Stamps.

Similarly, the Catholic Church cannot prove the dollar they paid into the insurance coffers went to contraception or the CEO's paycheck.
 
2012-03-16 01:27:27 PM  
The Arizona bill would also erase a law that bans religion-based employers from punishing or firing workers who get contraceptives from a source OTHER than through their employers' health plans.

Yeah, it's all about RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
 
2012-03-16 01:28:10 PM  
Another Lala land article from TPM? Shocking.

There have indeed been two polls this week. If you tuned in to CNN instead of just the lunatic fringe websites like TPM, you would have heard the "unbiased" hosts all but screaming about how "stupid" people were in response to all new lows for Obama and polls indicating that this whole fake 'war on women' business isn't actually working.
 
2012-03-16 01:28:33 PM  

meat0918: mrshowrules: I have a simpler example. My religion is against murder but I have to pay for the murder of thousands of brown people I never met.

As the Supreme Court has said in the past, you cannot prove your dollars went to kill brown people or to Food Stamps.

Similarly, the Catholic Church cannot prove the dollar they paid into the insurance coffers went to contraception or the CEO's paycheck.


They don't flag, you know, the molecules?
 
2012-03-16 01:29:39 PM  
Should the government have the right to mandate specific coverage provided to employees by their employer?

Heavy handed government people to the Left. Freedom loving people to the Right.
 
2012-03-16 01:30:05 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Aarontology: Lionel Mandrake: Mugato: And never one word about the insurance companies that cover boner pills.

THIS

Why the Hell? Any FARK independents care to answer?

It's not evil, sinful, and immoral when men have sex. Duh.

Only the whores they're having sex with are evil.

You guys are missing the point. Boner pills are used by men.


So is contraception. Hormonal birth control is mainly used to prevent pregnancy. That means men are substantially involved.

This is a health issue for women regardless of sexual orientation, sure. But it's primarily a culture wars issue about straight people farking.
 
2012-03-16 01:30:24 PM  
Can we get the Republicans to keep acting this stupid up until election day? The gender gap this election is going to be insane, and the gain is going to all be from Republican women and women non-voters voting Democratic. None of this shiat gains any votes for the Republicans-the fundies were voting for them anyways.
 
2012-03-16 01:31:18 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: meat0918: mrshowrules: I have a simpler example. My religion is against murder but I have to pay for the murder of thousands of brown people I never met.

As the Supreme Court has said in the past, you cannot prove your dollars went to kill brown people or to Food Stamps.

Similarly, the Catholic Church cannot prove the dollar they paid into the insurance coffers went to contraception or the CEO's paycheck.

They don't flag, you know, the molecules?


Dollars are indeed fungible.
 
2012-03-16 01:31:28 PM  
I still don't understand how my employer should have more decision-making power than I do when it comes to my coverage. After all, the funds to pay for my insurance were raised by the work I did for the company.
 
2012-03-16 01:32:16 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Because People in power are Stupid: See counter arguments are easy and fun to come up with...

You know what else is fun and easy?


Hitler? No, that's not right.
 
2012-03-16 01:32:57 PM  

vernonFL: SphericalTime: the issue is one of community safety.

Don't try to make this an issue of community safety! This is about religious freedom

Why should the Amish have to buy plastic reflectors when that is against their religion? Why aren't Republicans having Congressional hearings about that? I haven't heard Rush Limbaugh or anyone else defending the Amish.


Why should the Amish be able to use public roads if they don't conform to community safety requirements?
 
2012-03-16 01:33:35 PM  

Geotpf: Can we get the Republicans to keep acting this stupid up until election day? The gender gap this election is going to be insane, and the gain is going to all be from Republican women and women non-voters voting Democratic. None of this shiat gains any votes for the Republicans-the fundies were voting for them anyways.


Well goddess knows we cant stop them.
 
2012-03-16 01:33:51 PM  
Unfortunately, the GOP does have a point with the fact that, even if the national polls are 62% believe it is a "Womens" issue and not a religious issue. Honestly, that isn't that "dominating" even nationwide.

But, consider that probably in specific states (and, states that have larger populations) that number is probably 75-80%... which means in smaller, less populated states, that number is most likely under 50%, in some cases probably considerably.
 
2012-03-16 01:34:03 PM  

Slives: You know, I had the thought the other day, some insurance company is possibly missing out on a great business plan here.

Part of the problem is that if you work for a company that wants to deny their employees the ability to pay for birth control through insurance, where else can that person go?


Planned Parenthood.

/until Republicans succeed in totally cutting their funding
//already playing out in Texas
///slashies!!
 
2012-03-16 01:34:25 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Mugato: And never one word about the insurance companies that cover boner pills.

THIS

Why the Hell? Any FARK independents care to answer?


BC is being mandated as part of all health insurance. Boner Pills are not mandated. There may be some republicans that want to make BC illegal but most just do not see it as something the govt should mandate in that there is no medical necessity for BC. I would hope that if Boner Pills were mandated then you would hear the same uproar... though probably not because there is not the interconnectivity with catholic orgs screaming offence.
 
2012-03-16 01:34:34 PM  
 
2012-03-16 01:34:44 PM  

Il Douchey: But it seems you assume that government is always altruistic and trustworthy, private industry is always corrupt and evil, and consumers all need an overseer to mandate/forbid everything that is good/bad for them. China's gov't is much more intrusive over it's economy and people than U.S. gov't -why do you think acting more like them would yield better results here?


That's the shiattiest strawman if I ever saw one.
 
2012-03-16 01:35:05 PM  
The GOP: believing that putting asprin between your legs prevents pregnancy since the 1950s

They are truly the Regressive Party.
 
2012-03-16 01:35:31 PM  
These kinda issues come and go, I don't think the republicans will lose too many votes in the election over this. The major factors will be the economy and gas prices.
 
2012-03-16 01:36:11 PM  

Weaver95: wanna bet the GOP doubles down on the derp rather than admit they're wrong...?


Doubling down can get you out of a hole playing blackjack. Politics, not so much. But that wont stop them. Farkers are not easily shocked but we have spent the last few years commenting over and over about how far they keep pushing it.
 
2012-03-16 01:37:35 PM  
Let's see Republicans can't run on Nat'l Security because Obama kicked their asses on that issue; they can't run on the economy because they tanked it in the first place and it's actually improving despite their efforts to stall it; they can't run on immigration because conservative/religious Latinos might be the only sizable minority group that could still conceivably vote for them; they've tried the energy angle but it's gained no traction and Obama kinda kicks their ass with his 'how about we diversify and do more than just domestic drilling' energy platform; so they've settled on an...attacking women's reproductive rights platform....

Really GOP? This is the best you could come up with?
 
2012-03-16 01:37:57 PM  
The RW conservatives are confused about the definition of religious freedom.
They think it means if religious beliefs cannot be imposed upon the general public via legislation then they are being persecuted and their "freedom" to initiate a theocracy is being threatened.
This will sink them.
 
2012-03-16 01:38:12 PM  

Great_Milenko: This is the (hopefully) last gasp of a dying philosophy.


Conservatism never dies.
 
2012-03-16 01:38:20 PM  

Bevets: New polling shows a majority of Americans are so far unconvinced - they see the fight over access to contraception coverage as a women's health issue - not a matter of religious liberty. What's more, they don't think religious liberty is generally in peril.

The Catholic Church is not stopping ANYONE from purchasing contraception. The Catholic Church should not be compelled to participate in an act (through funding) they find morally abhorrent.

Suppose the issue was government mandating employers provide all employees cafeteria services (everyone needs to eat). But, not only that, the government has decided that all cafeterias MUST provide pork products. Most people would have no problem with this mandate. But suppose your corporation is PETA (or a mosque) -- Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)

This was settled church doctrine long before the United States even existed. The Catholic Church did not seek this conflict -- this conflict was imposed on the church. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion -- that liberty has been seriously undermined here.


Your whole argument falls apart when you understand that the birth control mandate NO LONGER APPLIES TO EMPLOYERS AND ONLY TO HEALTH INSURANCE PROVIDERS. Sorry for the caps and such, but I'm hoping that might get the Bevets quote-bot to at least pause for a moment before continuing to post stupidity.
 
2012-03-16 01:38:28 PM  
And when the election season is in full swing and Democratic candidates start running footage of repubs calling women sluts for wanting birth control, the repub response will be "Waah! Stop using our own words against us! You're taking what we said out of context! IT'S NOT FAIR!"
 
2012-03-16 01:38:33 PM  
A lot of this is the tone rather than the content. The Republicans are making a big deal about this, trying to seem "pro-religion". They are also trying to tie it into their opposition to the government being involved in health care (which, contrary to what they say, was the case long before Obama was President).

However, to 51% of voters (IE, women), they actually come off as "anti-women", as opposed to "pro-religion" or "anti-socialism".
 
2012-03-16 01:39:20 PM  

vernonFL: I thought that the issue of birth control was settled on an episode of Maude back in 1974.


If I had a kid that looked like that one, I'd sure as hell make certain it never happened again.
 
2012-03-16 01:40:14 PM  

clambam: And when the election season is in full swing and Democratic candidates start running footage of repubs calling women sluts for wanting birth control, the repub response will be "Waah! Stop using our own words against us! You're taking what we said out of context! IT'S NOT FAIR!"


No, their response will be that they are, in fact, sluts, just that they don't approve of using the word "slut" to describe how slutty they are.

This is how stupid the Republicans are.
 
2012-03-16 01:41:17 PM  

Headso: These kinda issues come and go, I don't think the republicans will lose too many votes in the election over this. The major factors will be the economy and gas prices.


Which they are ignoring with all this contraception hullabaloo.

I have Republican family that wants the party to stop focusing on a settled issue like birth control. They want action on jobs in their Republican controlled state and by the split Congress. They want the Republican House to shove a jobs bill down Obama's throat so they can claim THEY fixed the economy despite a do-nothing obstructionist president, that they forced him to capitulate, and this birth control fight is destroying their chances at that.
 
2012-03-16 01:41:36 PM  

Headso: These kinda issues come and go, I don't think the republicans will lose too many votes in the election over this. The major factors will be the economy and gas prices.


The GOP will lose some votes from moderate republicans who kind of like being able to have sex without making babies. They have lost any hope of getting Independent voters. But more importantly the Dems have gained a huge block of young women who otherwise would not have been motivated to vote that have never even registered to vote or declared a party affiliation. Following those young women to the polls will be the previously apathetic young men who are suddenly motivated to vote.

Its not so much what the Republicans stand to lose as what the Democrats stand to gain.
 
2012-03-16 01:41:47 PM  

Weaver95: This was settled church doctrine long before the United States even existed. The Catholic Church did not seek this conflict -- this conflict was imposed on the church. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion -- that liberty has been seriously undermined here.


The constitution allows free exercise of their religion (no one is forcing a catholic to take BC), AND it says we will make no laws in respect to any religion. So, this is profoundly unconstitutional.
 
2012-03-16 01:41:53 PM  
I'll ask it again - if the Republicans are fighting so hard for limiting employers' insurance plans' responsibilities about paying for women's contraception, why aren't they fighting just as hard to get access to vasectomies banned?
 
2012-03-16 01:42:02 PM  

Teufelaffe: I'm hoping that might get the Bevets quote-bot to at least pause for a moment before continuing to post stupidity.


Good luck with that. He is purposely obtuse and can't deal with any facts that get in the way of his religious fervor.
 
2012-03-16 01:43:40 PM  
This is great. This way, Obama will definitely be re-elected, and hopefully some red seats will go blue. That way he can get some things done, rather than be obstructed at every turn. All he needs to do is go around quoting the Republicans and I think most moderates will run screaming.
 
2012-03-16 01:43:42 PM  
Can we get some img0.fark.net links please? Thanks.
 
2012-03-16 01:44:10 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I'll ask it again - if the Republicans are fighting so hard for limiting employers' insurance plans' responsibilities about paying for women's contraception, why aren't they fighting just as hard to get access to vasectomies banned?


Because women, they assume, are the easier target. They think we are stupid and subservient.
 
2012-03-16 01:44:13 PM  

SphericalTime: vernonFL: SphericalTime: the issue is one of community safety.

Don't try to make this an issue of community safety! This is about religious freedom

Why should the Amish have to buy plastic reflectors when that is against their religion? Why aren't Republicans having Congressional hearings about that? I haven't heard Rush Limbaugh or anyone else defending the Amish.

Why should the Amish be able to use public roads if they don't conform to community safety requirements?


The issue over the orange triangles has come up before in other states with Amish populations. Ohio, New York and Pennsylvania have allowed exemptions for the Swartzentrubers, and courts in Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan have sided with them.

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-16 01:44:24 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Mugato: And never one word about the insurance companies that cover boner pills.

THIS

Why the Hell? Any FARK independents care to answer?


Because women are the only people who can have sinful sex.

...which explains all the Republicans who get caught screwing guys...
 
2012-03-16 01:44:57 PM  

Headso: The major factors will be the economy and gas prices.


Even if this is true, the economy seems to be heading in the right direction and gas prices will go up in the summer and down in the fall like they always do. But I think you're wrong. I think these issues are losing them votes. Thanks, Rush! Thanks Catholic Bishops! Thanks Neanderthals!
 
2012-03-16 01:45:09 PM  

Headso: These kinda issues come and go, I don't think the republicans will lose too many votes in the election over this. The major factors will be the economy and gas prices.


You are absolutely wrong. Find some Republican-leaning women and ask them about this. Not fundies, but upper class types that hate paying taxes. Yeah, they are now switching their votes to the Democrats.

Plus, this encourages non-voting lower class young women to actually vote, and to vote for Democrats.
 
2012-03-16 01:46:38 PM  
Religious beliefs do not protect you from every manifest of the law.

Take, for instance:
Deuteronomy 20-5 (NIV Version)
If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.

Who would support a marriage exemption from military deployment? And for that matter, shouldn't my boss HAVE to give me a year of paid vacation for at least my first marriage? I at least shouldn't have to pay taxes.

Any given religious belief, even from the Bible, is not a valid reason to exempt one's self from the laws of the land and the social/governmental contract we've developed.
 
Displayed 50 of 609 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report