Aquapope: aselene: Viewing the whole picture reveals that it is cold in some places, and warm in others. Sorry Fark libs. You'll have to wait another year if you want to try to prove Global Warming.

Global Climate Change. Get it right. I am a Fark Lib, and I won't use a hot day in March to prove anything, other than the protean nature of weather. But it's not weather we're talking about, it's climate.


Surely the climate change is a result of the global warming? You can`t say the climate is changing due to the warming then say the warming is not what you are talking about when people address it, whichever way they do. The person you are responding to wasn`t talking weather, they were talking warming and that using weather was not good for evaluating warming. Why did you respond to the opposite of their post? Do you have problems understanding words?

I want to punch the smirk right off Sean Hannity's face.

Forgot_my_password_again: They're gonna have trouble getting people to be against global warming on days like today.

It's doesn't matter. The next time it snows it will (again) disprove global warming and the same idiots will repeat that talking point again.

We, as a species, are doomed. Perhaps this is why we have not been contacted by extraterrestrials. Perhaps it is the nature of technology to destroy civilizations at some point.

So pass the hookers and blow. Nothing left to lose!

SpectroBoy: Forgot_my_password_again: They're gonna have trouble getting people to be against global warming on days like today.

It's doesn't matter. The next time it snows it will (again) disprove global warming and the same idiots will repeat that talking point again.

We, as a species, are doomed. Perhaps this is why we have not been contacted by extraterrestrials. Perhaps it is the nature of technology to destroy civilizations at some point.

So pass the hookers and blow. Nothing left to lose!

If only humans could do something like cool the air in their homes, or stay out of the rain, or move where land is, or make fire. Ya, we are doomed.

I read an article a few years back that placed 100% blame of huge wildfires on the US Forestry services "only you can prevent wildfires" campaign since the 60's. Since we stopped letting little fires start here and there and managing those, we instead gave huge natural disaster fires due to all the kindling around. Anyone else remember this?

lazymojo: We have plenty of water here in Chicago. If global warming means mild winders and warm springs for us, but droughts, and devastating, deadly tornadoes for Red States like Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama...

I'm okay with that!

Check out the Peshtigo Fire, which happened the same day as the Great Chicago Fire. Much of the area surrounding the Great Lakes caught fire that October after a very dry spring and summer. There are only so many ways to get that lake water inland.

This isn't happening, nothing to worry about!

Lets have a sing song!

/image is as hot as it's going to be this summer

Thunderpipes: If only humans could do something like cool the air in their homes, or stay out of the rain, or move where land is, or make fire. Ya, we are doomed.

You realize that if things go bad due to climate change, it will not be the temperature of people's houses that you will need to be concerned about, right?

/Sadly you probably don't realize this.

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lazymojo: We have plenty of water here in Chicago. If global warming means mild winders and warm springs for us, but droughts, and devastating, deadly tornadoes for Red States like Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama...

I'm okay with that!

You are an ass. Also, the Cubs will never win a World Series in your lifetime and the Bears have emo-boy Cutler as a QB.

urban.derelict: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 480x640]

/loud pipes save lives
//i woke up the whole goddamn neighborhood

Normally, I wouldn't be able to get the bike out until late April or early to mid May. Took the bike out on March 10 this year. Un-farking-believable. (North Central WI)

Farking Canuck: Thunderpipes: If only humans could do something like cool the air in their homes, or stay out of the rain, or move where land is, or make fire. Ya, we are doomed.

You realize that if things go bad due to climate change, it will not be the temperature of people's houses that you will need to be concerned about, right?

/Sadly you probably don't realize this.

Name one plausible scenario humans won't be able to overcome. You can't. Our Obama-like ancestors survived an ice age with sticks and stones. If "climate change" or whatever it is called this week kills off half the world's poor, then wah wah wah. So what will I be concerned about? Oh, the masses will somehow get off their lazy asses and riot? BS, they can't be bothered to work 40 hours a week, they would riot amongst themselves and complain when they had to walk 2 miles to riot somewhere else. Sea level rise? Boo hoo, I live nowhere near the sea and have lots of woods, hunting, you name it. If we are talking Mad Max, well I even have the car. Even the worst climate shifts the planet has had, and will have, are easily overcome by people. Fear mongering, you used to accuse Bush of it daily, listen to yourselves. Would be nice if hippies just STFU once in a while and worked instead of pushing their doom on everyone.

I will run Barter Town. let the peasants shovel the pig crap.

We didn't really have winter, but just a prolonged autumn and an early spring. And now we're facing a hot, dry summer. This follows on a very mild summer and a brutal last year. The deniers can believe what they want, but I know the climate is getting weird and I know why.

Deniers for Bush in 2012!

JackieRabbit: We didn't really have winter, but just a prolonged autumn and an early spring. And now we're facing a hot, dry summer. This follows on a very mild summer and a brutal last year. The deniers can believe what they want, but I know the climate is getting weird and I know why.

Deniers for Bush in 2012!

Winter in New Jersey was the 14 inches of wet snow we got the week before Halloween. I drained the gas out of my snowblower last weekend, and planted peas in the garden last night.

It's going to be a summer of forest fires in Washington. The ground fuel had three wet winters and mild summers to build up.

One dry spell and eastern Washington is going to be smoked out.

Thunderpipes: Farking Canuck: Thunderpipes: If only humans could do something like cool the air in their homes, or stay out of the rain, or move where land is, or make fire. Ya, we are doomed.

You realize that if things go bad due to climate change, it will not be the temperature of people's houses that you will need to be concerned about, right?

/Sadly you probably don't realize this.

Name one plausible scenario humans won't be able to overcome. You can't. Our Obama-like ancestors survived an ice age with sticks and stones. If "climate change" or whatever it is called this week kills off half the world's poor, then wah wah wah. So what will I be concerned about? Oh, the masses will somehow get off their lazy asses and riot? BS, they can't be bothered to work 40 hours a week, they would riot amongst themselves and complain when they had to walk 2 miles to riot somewhere else. Sea level rise? Boo hoo, I live nowhere near the sea and have lots of woods, hunting, you name it. If we are talking Mad Max, well I even have the car. Even the worst climate shifts the planet has had, and will have, are easily overcome by people. Fear mongering, you used to accuse Bush of it daily, listen to yourselves. Would be nice if hippies just STFU once in a while and worked instead of pushing their doom on everyone.

I will run Barter Town. let the peasants shovel the pig crap.

Wow. Aren't you the picture of a modern, enlightened individual. I wish I hadn't read your post just before lunch ... you make me feel sick.

Welcome to ignore.

Well it's nice to know that it will be worst in the retarded south. They do deserve it after all since they are the assholes that keep voting conservative.

guilt by association: Southerner living in Chicagoland, this weather makes me happy as fark.

It also destroys the only reason to move down south.

As if their real estate values weren't depressed enough already.

Pants full of macaroni!!: AverageAmericanGuy: enviroweeny

Just so you know, the correct term is "greenie-weenie". Bonus: it rhymes!

I'm offended.

Farking Canuck: Thunderpipes: Farking Canuck: Thunderpipes: If only humans could do something like cool the air in their homes, or stay out of the rain, or move where land is, or make fire. Ya, we are doomed.

You realize that if things go bad due to climate change, it will not be the temperature of people's houses that you will need to be concerned about, right?

/Sadly you probably don't realize this.

Name one plausible scenario humans won't be able to overcome. You can't. Our Obama-like ancestors survived an ice age with sticks and stones. If "climate change" or whatever it is called this week kills off half the world's poor, then wah wah wah. So what will I be concerned about? Oh, the masses will somehow get off their lazy asses and riot? BS, they can't be bothered to work 40 hours a week, they would riot amongst themselves and complain when they had to walk 2 miles to riot somewhere else. Sea level rise? Boo hoo, I live nowhere near the sea and have lots of woods, hunting, you name it. If we are talking Mad Max, well I even have the car. Even the worst climate shifts the planet has had, and will have, are easily overcome by people. Fear mongering, you used to accuse Bush of it daily, listen to yourselves. Would be nice if hippies just STFU once in a while and worked instead of pushing their doom on everyone.

I will run Barter Town. let the peasants shovel the pig crap.

Wow. Aren't you the picture of a modern, enlightened individual. I wish I hadn't read your post just before lunch ... you make me feel sick.

Welcome to ignore.

Woot, another pussy goes bye bye! Of course, he could not answer the questions, because liberals are dumb.

wow, global warming debates sure get heated.

get it??

/try the veal.

urban.derelict: /loud pipes save lives
//i woke up the whole goddamn neighborhood

You should consider getting that fixed.

Why wouldn't you want to protect the environment? It doesn't make sense. The conservatives in power obviously care about nothing but making money now. They don't care about future generations. They want to be rich now and are willing to do absolutely anything to get more money. The conservatives who put them in power are just plain naïve.

/funny how conservatives are against conservation

fracas: amerikanespur: "temperatures in the pacific northwest and southern alaska will be below normal" That is just great. Last year we didn't get any real summer weather til august. I guess this is the new normal.

Came here to post that. Also came in here to post "fark fark farkety-fark fark fark fark fark."

Oh, and whidbey can shove his love for this dreary hellhole and all his sanctimonious "I like it here" bullshiat up his damp mildewy asshole when he gets here.

/About covers it.
//fark.


BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Well you know...there's always California if you can't handle it here.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/still love it here
//there's always CA
///bwahahahahahhahaha
////hahahahaha

Thunderpipes: If only humans could do something like cool the air in their homes, or stay out of the rain, or move where land is, or make fire. Ya, we are doomed.

Holy lack of reading comprehension Batman!

The point is people fark everything up, not that there is bad weather.

Lexx: It's gonna be a shiatty summer for farmers and water reservoirs. All that quadrillions of litres of snow simply isn't there this spring; rivers will be dry, lake beds will be low, produce will be hella expensive due to low yields, and California will burn.

Gyrfalcon: So, it's like every other third summer we have in So Cal? We get two or three wet winters (to grow lots of thick weeds and undergrowth) a couple of dry winters (to kill everything) and then two hot dry summers (to burn it all down).

Why is this always ALWAYS such a shocker every single time it happens? Every year!

Gnats have better long term memory than Californians. This same group seems to forget that Portland has, get this, drizzle nine months out of the year.

MFAWG: It's literally been raining sideways here in Seattle for several days now, so arid and fiery hot sounds pretty damn good to me!

Arid, dry summers for the plains generally translate into cold, wet summers for the northwest.

ShirleySerious: And to think I moved to Texas to escape the frozen hell hole that is Chicago.

/not moving back, love it here
//Austin, the Anti-Texas

I thought that was Tulsa.

LabGrrl: I'm in Buffalo and we're putting the air conditioners in this weekend...it was 73 in my neighborhood today and gonna be near 80 next week.

80? Air conditioner? What, are you made of ice or something?

Pincy: GleeUnit: Can uh... Can Seattle get in on some of that? Doesn't take much to make us happy, but... A little bit would be nice.

Same here in Portland. Just checked the 7-day forecast, nothing but rain. Where's my global warming???

Global warming means Portland will only get wetter.

/now if soccer had rain-outs, Portland might be slightly less unlivable this spring...

Bill_Wick's_Friend: I love you both.

leonel: Good! We didn't get a "summer" in the Pacific Northwest last year.

And you won't be getting it this year, either.

TheJoe03: It is making me soft though, I find 85 degrees hot and 55 degrees cold now, 6 years into moving here.

And you're still stuck in western California, the armpit of America.

Baloo Uriza: LabGrrl: I'm in Buffalo and we're putting the air conditioners in this weekend...it was 73 in my neighborhood today and gonna be near 80 next week.

80? Air conditioner? What, are you made of ice or something?

Yes. I am made of ice. I also have lung disease and need to suck oxygen so when the weather channel says the air is "unhealthy for sensitive groups" I'm the one gasping like a fish on the ground.
I live in a well-insulated house designed to keep heat in. If it's the the 80s, I need to blow in some air or my house becomes an oven. Thus the "using the fans on them."

Baloo Uriza: TheJoe03: It is making me soft though, I find 85 degrees hot and 55 degrees cold now, 6 years into moving here.

And you're still stuck in western California, the armpit of America.

Oh yeah, I'd much rather be in Sapulpa, Oklahoma!

/Oklahoma is one of the shiattiest places I've ever been, ever.

Gosling: Minarets: Spring? It's stil farking winter.

What winter? We had winter this year?

THIS.

I think we may have had about two weeks total of winter here, and pretty much have been in prime April-May levels of Hoosier Alley Tornado Season since about mid-February. (Hell, had the first tornado warning in mid-January this year.)

Temps lately have been around late May-early June, which actually makes me mildly afeared for what ACTUAL late May-early June is going to be like...probably like usual July-August weather, at that. :P

Which makes me wonder if I should just consider an extended vacation in Ontario in July-August :P

(Ah well, this is what we get for having such an unseasonably MILD summer last year. Dare I say, it was actually COMFORTABLE and there were only a very few days where fireproofed gills were needed to breathe outside.

(...I just hope that if July-August is bad that I don't get some granola-earth-mother-hippie in a hardware store asking me to do a rain dance ;_;)

/yes, THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED during a bad drought about ten years ago
//crazy-ass hippie told me "Make one up...the trees need it" when I explained that I didn't KNOW any rain dances due to my ancestors not having been "traditional" for about 150-odd years at that point
///they had rather more pressing concerns like "passing" in such a fashion as to not be deported to Oklahoma rather than learning nonexistent rain dances

TheJoe03: Baloo Uriza: TheJoe03: It is making me soft though, I find 85 degrees hot and 55 degrees cold now, 6 years into moving here.

And you're still stuck in western California, the armpit of America.

Oh yeah, I'd much rather be in Sapulpa, Oklahoma!

Low cost of living, easy access to entertainment, shopping and recreation. Fairly tolerant and more progressive than they think they are (certainly more than pretty much anyplace Californicated). Generally a bright crowd, knows how to raise their kids right, doesn't drive like dumbasses, and enough variety to the weather that you won't get sick of it. What's not to like?

/Oklahoma is one of the shiattiest places I've ever been, ever.

The fact that it's a hostile environment for Californians is a Good Thing.

Baloo Uriza: Low cost of living, easy access to entertainment, shopping and recreation. Fairly tolerant and more progressive than they think they are (certainly more than pretty much anyplace Californicated). Generally a bright crowd, knows how to raise their kids right, doesn't drive like dumbasses, and enough variety to the weather that you won't get sick of it. What's not to like?

I agree with the cost of living, but there's a reason it is so low. I doubt you have nearly the access in entertainment, shopping, and recreation I do. I'm not a far drive from San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Lake Tahoe, or even Vegas. We are also more diverse and better educated out here. The weather also BLOWS, I lived in Dallas, I know. 100 degree summers and snowy winters! I'll stick to mostly sunshine, 80 degree summers and 60 degree winters, waaaay better. I also found Okies to be the opposite of progressive, it is the most conservative state in the US (at least top 3). Finally, y'all drive just as bad as Californians, just in a different way. Be proud of where you are from, but Oklahoma can't compete with California, or Texas, or even Arkansas, haha.

Baloo Uriza: The fact that it's a hostile environment for Californians is a Good Thing.

I'm a native Texan, I don't think Oklahoma is hostile (not sure why you wish for your city to be hostile, sounds Klan-ish), just really shiatty. I do agree that it is bad for places to get a bunch of Californians moving in since they will make prices much higher but no Californian wants to go to OK, believe me. I also know that a whole bunch of Okies would love a chance to visit CA. Come visit sometime, NorCal is beautiful.

TheJoe03: I agree with the cost of living, but there's a reason it is so low. I doubt you have nearly the access in entertainment, shopping, and recreation I do.

So whip out a map. Lots of parks, concert venues, bars, nightclubs, stadiums, you name it.

I'm not a far drive from San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Lake Tahoe, or even Vegas.

I wouldn't consider the first two a plus at all. Tahoe's at least on the decent side of California (the east side). Vegas? Meh. I don't have to leave town to go gamble and drink like a true Farker.

We are also more diverse and better educated out here.

Having the token black and the occasional homosexual doesn't make the place extremely diverse. Seriously go around Tulsa sometime, it's only the biggest city in the part of the continent America's been throwing all it's unwanted races for the last 150 years.

The weather also BLOWS, I lived in Dallas, I know. 100 degree summers and snowy winters!

It's called having seasons. The shiattiest weather is reserved for the six weeks of peak summer and the six weeks of peak winter. Spring can't make it's mind up one way or another, but fall? Basically 120 days of the most perfect weather you can imagine in a row.

I'll stick to mostly sunshine, 80 degree summers and 60 degree winters, waaaay better.

A complete lack of weather and seasons makes for a shiatty, confused climate or sense of passage of time.

I also found Okies to be the opposite of progressive, it is the most conservative state in the US (at least top 3).

The top three would be 1. California (birthplace of the neoconservative DERP that is the Republican party these days, and it's doing a good job wrecking Arizona, Colorado, Washington and Oregon just from the tourists that forget how to go home), 2. Utah (mormons) and 3. Texas (seriously, that place seems to just soak up everything the post-Reagan republican party does for some reason). The rest of the south juts can't compete, they're just louder about it.

Finally, y'all drive just as bad as Californians, just in a different way.

You'd have to be drunk, unlicensed or never driven a car before (pick at least two) to drive as bad as Californians.

Be proud of where you are from, but Oklahoma can't compete with California, or Texas, or even Arkansas, haha.

Arkansas? It's just Oregon minus the ocean, Californians and plus weather. Pretty, sure, but meh. Nobody should even want to strive to be California or Texas. See above.

I'm a native Texan, I don't think Oklahoma is hostile (not sure why you wish for your city to be hostile, sounds Klan-ish),

I mean that in the sense that the place isn't going to change to suit them, and given that Californians have an inability to assimilate to the local culture and expect everyone to accomodate them instead of going with the local flow, they would be very unhappy in Green Country.

I do agree that it is bad for places to get a bunch of Californians moving

The only place that it would be good for them to go is Hell. Preferably on a flight heavily delayed, stuck on the tarmac for hours before takeoff, and again waiting to get pushed back to the gate on landing.

I also know that a whole bunch of Okies would love a chance to visit CA. Come visit sometime, NorCal is beautiful.

You haven't been exposed to California long enough to realize the correct direction of the divide, I see. Western California blows. Eastern California is nice and actually has some reasonable people. Still can't drive for crap, though.

Tulsa more diverse than the Bay Area? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You realize the Bay Area has large white, black, Latino, east Asian, south Asian, west Asian, and Pac Islander populations, right? Occasional homosexual? So Tulsa has more gay people than the Bay now? What??? You can't be that ignorant of the world, can you? Probably.

I also will completely ignore the fact that you are saying Oklahoma has better weather than California, that is idiotic. It has more defined seasons, sure, but winter and summer blow.

Also, calling California the MOST conservative state in the union might be the strangest thing I have ever heard. Have you been around this country at all? I honestly am starting to think you are trolling at this point. I have never heard that claimed by anyone. Also, Oklahoma is for sure more conservative than a place like Texas (a very conservative place), I think elections are proof of that.

Finally, what's your deal, did a Californian kill your mom and rape your dad or something? Take it easy dude, hate gets you no where. You also seem to have tricked yourself into thinking that your state actually shares your liberal politics, which it doesn't in any way.

Baloo Uriza: So whip out a map. Lots of parks, concert venues, bars, nightclubs, stadiums, you name it.

Plus we have all that but more and better versions of them.

UnspokenVoice: LouDobbsAwaaaay: UnspokenVoice: No, more snow is what you get from global warming. I have this on "good authority."

Really, admit you don't know and clean up the planet just because it NEEDS cleaning. There's no reason to bastardize science to achieve an ideology.

Then stop doing it. Your paraphrasing of what Fox News chooses represent the science as isn't helping.

Are you retarded?

common sense is an oxymoron: Which data is "shoddy" and what are the political agendas backing it?

How much has the planet warmed according to the data and what is the margin of error on the thermometers used in the entirety of the time they've been using them to collect data? How does guessing the temperature based on tree rings and ice cores count manage to be plotted as accurate temperature anyhow? That's not data - that's guessing.

It's more than just guessing. Wikipedia has a good overview of paleoclimatology here (new window). The ice core temperature data, for example, are based on the isotopic mix of oxygen atoms from air bubbles trapped in dated ice layers (the ratio changes with temperature, which has been independently verified).

The whole science is politicized. It shouldn't be. We shouldn't be listening to politicians about it. See the above comment to me? The moron thinks I'm a Fox viewer because of that. Well, that and they're retarded and have no idea what science is.

Where did the politicization come from? If a certain book had been written by someone other than a Democratic senator and future vice-president, would this issue have become as politicized as it has? And who is responsible for thus allowing politics to overrule science in this debate?

TheJoe03: Finally, what's your deal, did a Californian kill your mom and rape your dad or something?

If we wanted some asshole Californian's opinion, we'd have given it to you. Your comment's made entirely out of information you're pulling out of your ass. I've lived in the bay area and LA before. Your shiat doesn't smell pretty, to say the least. You go ahead and stay in California. Also, give your fellow Californians some driving directions, there's about 5 million of 'em in a diaspora across the west that got lost on the way back.

Nah dude, you are just a stupid ass Okie, all this shiat you say can be disproven with facts. Yeh Oklahoma is more liberal, diverse, and has better weather than California! Talk about pulling information out of your ass, ya dumb shiat.

You might be the most misinformed and delusional person I've talked to on fark, congrats, I'm tagging you as such now. Gotta love that Okie education.