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2012-03-15 08:30:00 PM
Stupid reality and its liberal bias.
 
2012-03-15 08:39:20 PM
Of course, Republicans are rattling their sabres about Iran, which is the 4th largest oil producer in the world, so this causes speculators to shiat their collective pants and drive the price of oil up. Then, Americans spend hundreds more at the pump each year and lose the benefit of the payroll tax holiday Obama just signed (which Republicans were against.)

Republicans: Farking up America is policy.
 
2012-03-15 08:40:17 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Of course, Republicans are rattling their sabres about Iran, which is the 4th largest oil producer in the world, so this causes speculators to shiat their collective pants and drive the price of oil up. Then, Americans spend hundreds more at the pump each year and lose the benefit of the payroll tax holiday Obama just signed (which Republicans were against.)

Republicans: Farking up America is policy.


WE'RE GONNA MAKE OUR TEAM WIN, OR WE'LL BLOW UP THE WHOLE GODDAMNED STADIUM!
 
2012-03-15 08:43:41 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Of course, Republicans are rattling their sabres about Iran, which is the 4th largest oil producer in the world, so this causes speculators to shiat their collective pants and drive the price of oil up. Then, Americans spend hundreds more at the pump each year and lose the benefit of the payroll tax holiday Obama just signed (which Republicans were against.)

Republicans: Farking up America is policy.


The really ironic part of it all is we don't even import any oil from Iran itself.
 
2012-03-15 08:44:34 PM
Pete and repeat were in a boat...
 
2012-03-15 08:52:03 PM

cman: Pete and repeat were in a boat...


And then they exploded as they floated into a land mine placed by an air man.
 
2012-03-15 08:54:20 PM
To be fair, "Most Americans, and the vast majority of Republicans, don't realize that..." is a way to start a whole lot of true statements.
 
2012-03-15 08:55:21 PM

Quasar: To be fair, "Most Americans, and the vast majority of Republicans, don't realize that..." is a way to start a whole lot of true statements.


And we are done here
 
2012-03-15 09:27:30 PM
This is bad news.....for Obama.
 
2012-03-15 09:35:41 PM
Republicans realize it, they just know there's no benefit to admitting it.
 
2012-03-15 10:06:42 PM

simsite9: Republicans realize it, they just know there's no benefit to admitting it.


Forward: VAGINAS
 
2012-03-15 10:46:30 PM

simsite9: Republicans realize it, they just know there's no benefit to admitting it.


They also know their base will believe the most ridiculous anti-Obama lies they can come up with.
 
2012-03-15 10:52:45 PM
B-b-but.... the deficit?
 
2012-03-15 10:53:08 PM
But all those tea party signs can't be wrong.
 
2012-03-15 10:55:37 PM
Facts for many people are derived from values, rather than the other way around. People need their values on a day to day basis more than they encounter factual abstractions. It may suck, but its still the case. Now having read the original article (new window), I agree that this confusion of facts and opinions is a big problem, especially among the batshiat-crazy reactionaries who see no difference between the two at all. However, when it comes to the specific issue of taxation, it should be pointed out that the TeaBagger/Republican mantra has been about long term middle class tax burdens with these higher debts much more than immediate middle class tax burden. Whether you interpret the question as short-term or long-term makes a difference, and perhaps a reasonable one at that. And I'm sure that when we had very high gas prices under Mr. Bush, Democrats would have said that he should have been able to control gas prices too, just as Republicans are saying under Mr. Obama.
 
2012-03-15 11:24:04 PM
FIX THE GAS PRICES OBAMA!
 
2012-03-15 11:25:11 PM
media.247sports.com
 
2012-03-15 11:26:34 PM

Somacandra: And I'm sure that when we had very high gas prices under Mr. Bush, Democrats would have said that he should have been able to control gas prices too, just as Republicans are saying under Mr. Obama.


And I'm sure you can come up with plenty of examples of this occurring, rather than positing it as a hypothetical.

Or, more likely, you're gonna ah herpa derp derp hurrrrrr ....
 
2012-03-15 11:26:41 PM

Somacandra: Facts for many people are derived from values, rather than the other way around. People need their values on a day to day basis more than they encounter factual abstractions. It may suck, but its still the case. Now having read the original article (new window), I agree that this confusion of facts and opinions is a big problem, especially among the batshiat-crazy reactionaries who see no difference between the two at all. However, when it comes to the specific issue of taxation, it should be pointed out that the TeaBagger/Republican mantra has been about long term middle class tax burdens with these higher debts much more than immediate middle class tax burden. Whether you interpret the question as short-term or long-term makes a difference, and perhaps a reasonable one at that. And I'm sure that when we had very high gas prices under Mr. Bush, Democrats would have said that he should have been able to control gas prices too, just as Republicans are saying under Mr. Obama.


You are being rational and logical that line of thought is dangerous in the Fark Politics tab.
 
2012-03-15 11:27:53 PM
Stupid Republican thinks not paying taxes will make him a millionaire....
 
2012-03-15 11:29:10 PM
It's tough to listen to the pundits and the candidates this election without thinking "where's my voice?" "Where's my candidate?"

It seems as though we are witnessing a fight between the lesser of "who cares?" but it shouldn't be like that. We should not have candidates who run on lies and half-truths. We should not have candidates who speak for the powerful but do nothing for the common man. For it is far more disrespectful and disingenuous for a wealthy businessman to say that he knows the hardships of the poor. Just that it is too unfair to have a man who believes that we should be a Christian theocracy because God wills it. I don't know what God that man speaks to, but I know that he would be going against the founding principles of our country for which he says he loves so much.

Our two party system is broken. We have the party of the right wing and we have the party of the radical right wing. To those that seek social progress, and smaller governments, we have no voice. There is no moderate party anymore. There is no "Party of Lincoln" or "Party of Roosevelt" just the "Party of me." And I don't know about you, but there is more to this country than one man's beliefs and one man's set of ideals.

What we need is a party that looks to at all views on a subject, that can take a situation and look for the best solution. We don't have that anymore, it's either one party's system or the other with no compromise, no looking for another alternative. We need to fix that. We need a party that solves the issues plaguing this country with logic and reason.

These solutions won't fix it overnight but that's the mindset we need to stop having. We can't keep doing quick-fixes on issues and expect it to be solved. We need to look at long-term impacts and fix it with long-term solutions.
 
2012-03-15 11:29:19 PM

praymantis: Somacandra: Facts for many people are derived from values, rather than the other way around. People need their values on a day to day basis more than they encounter factual abstractions. It may suck, but its still the case. Now having read the original article (new window), I agree that this confusion of facts and opinions is a big problem, especially among the batshiat-crazy reactionaries who see no difference between the two at all. However, when it comes to the specific issue of taxation, it should be pointed out that the TeaBagger/Republican mantra has been about long term middle class tax burdens with these higher debts much more than immediate middle class tax burden. Whether you interpret the question as short-term or long-term makes a difference, and perhaps a reasonable one at that. And I'm sure that when we had very high gas prices under Mr. Bush, Democrats would have said that he should have been able to control gas prices too, just as Republicans are saying under Mr. Obama.

You are being rational and logical that line of thought is dangerous in the Fark Politics tab.


Hehe, the trap has been sprung.
 
2012-03-15 11:29:35 PM
I am so glad that every 2 years we have such an intelligent and informed citizenry that makes such wise decisions.

I think that a few of the Republicans probably do know the truth, just afraid to admit it seeing as this undermines their entire ideology of lies and deception.
 
2012-03-15 11:29:57 PM

praymantis: Somacandra: Facts for many people are derived from values, rather than the other way around. People need their values on a day to day basis more than they encounter factual abstractions. It may suck, but its still the case. Now having read the original article (new window), I agree that this confusion of facts and opinions is a big problem, especially among the batshiat-crazy reactionaries who see no difference between the two at all. However, when it comes to the specific issue of taxation, it should be pointed out that the TeaBagger/Republican mantra has been about long term middle class tax burdens with these higher debts much more than immediate middle class tax burden. Whether you interpret the question as short-term or long-term makes a difference, and perhaps a reasonable one at that. And I'm sure that when we had very high gas prices under Mr. Bush, Democrats would have said that he should have been able to control gas prices too, just as Republicans are saying under Mr. Obama.

You are being rational and logical that line of thought is dangerous in the Fark Politics tab.


You are so going to get your head eaten if I am at all good at predicting anything.
 
2012-03-15 11:30:03 PM

Somacandra: Facts for many people are derived from values, rather than the other way around. People need their values on a day to day basis more than they encounter factual abstractions. It may suck, but its still the case. Now having read the original article (new window), I agree that this confusion of facts and opinions is a big problem, especially among the batshiat-crazy reactionaries who see no difference between the two at all. However, when it comes to the specific issue of taxation, it should be pointed out that the TeaBagger/Republican mantra has been about long term middle class tax burdens with these higher debts much more than immediate middle class tax burden. Whether you interpret the question as short-term or long-term makes a difference, and perhaps a reasonable one at that. And I'm sure that when we had very high gas prices under Mr. Bush, Democrats would have said that he should have been able to control gas prices too, just as Republicans are saying under Mr. Obama.


11/10. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. At least the part where you suggest that the Republicans have a nuanced view of taxation.
 
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2012-03-15 11:31:53 PM
That may tell you something about Republicans, but at some point Americans will have to start paying their bills. If you want to live in a first world country, then you have to pay the cost. There isn't any free ride.
 
2012-03-15 11:33:30 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Of course, Republicans are rattling their sabres about Iran, which is the 4th largest oil producer in the world, so this causes speculators to shiat their collective pants and drive the price of oil up. Then, Americans spend hundreds more at the pump each year and lose the benefit of the payroll tax holiday Obama just signed (which Republicans were against.)

Republicans: Farking up America is policy.


Republicans.... Is there anything they can't screw up?
 
2012-03-15 11:34:12 PM
God turned the rebels into spiritual darkness (demons) and expelled them from heaven. there was a void in heaven of 10 billion open seats.God decided to create humans to replace the demons. God said that He will let demons trick people into following them, but when 10 billion seats in heaven are filled, God will send demons and those who follow demons to hell. demons dress in fake human skin and fly in ufo ships;pretend to be angels of light, ghosts, pagan gods, greys, ouija board movers.jigsaw from saw movie is not only gay but he's antichrist. when people will look at jigsaw, they will see many angels surrounding jigsaw, but in reality those are demons. the main demon is black with red eyes. antichrist is white with red eyes. if anyone worships jigsaw, they'll go to hell 100%. also, soon the world government will be giving mandatory small grey world passport. when people stretch their hands to receive the small grey world passport, a small green electronic tattoo with sixes will be given by lasers. if anyone receives this tattoo, they'll go to hell 100%. people who kill themselves wind up in hell 100%. also, people who blaspheme the Holy Spirit, go to hell as well. God is one but decides to reveal Himself to the world in three distinct persons: as God the Father, as God the Son (Jesus Christ), and as God the Holy Spirit. now, let's switch to the ufo bases that the demons built. they are located on the moon, in lake baikal, underneath mariana trench (atlantis is here), and inside a fake mountain in tibet (buddhists consider this mountain holy, but as was mentioned, pagan gods are demons). there was also a time when 200 angels told God that they would fare better than humans if they had human bodies (angels and demons don't have bodies - they're just spirits). God told them that He could give them human bodies but if they mess up, He'll punish them severely. these 200 spirits agreed to take this deal. what happened was that when these 200 angels (aka anunaki in pagan beliefs) descended on a mountain in middle east, they saw beautiful female descendents of cain, and took them wives for themselves. these 200 anunaki had giants as kids. giants built the pyramids and other colossal monuments around the world. anunaki taught witchcraft, astrology, blood drinking, human sacrifice, abortion, art of war, etc. God became angry and punished the world for following anunaki. anunaki were imprisoned underneath a desert in middle east. 300 thousand giants and 700 thousand people who followed anunaki and other demons were drowned in world flood. only 8 people were saved in the flood. me and u are descendents of these 8 (noah with his wife, and their three sons with three daughters-in-law) who survived in an ark-ship. animals that knelt before noah went into the ark with noah. animals that didn't kneel were drowned. a bit later, nimrod (world leader) and his wife semiramis (she was in charge of a brothel) created a one state pagan religion (sun-moon-bull-sex worship). nimrod was also in charge of building the tower of babel. this tower was built by masons who wanted to reach heaven and fight God and establish pagan religion in heaven. this was silly, to say the least. God burned the top third of this tower, sank the bottom third inside the earth, and changed the original language into 70 different languages. so, one third of builders killed each other because of misunderstanding, one third ran away, and one third were cursed to become apemen and elephantmen. silly atheists claim that we come from apes when in reality apemen were cursed masons. hindu religion has an elephantman deity. this is absurd. let's get to something even weirder. 80 foot dinosaurs live beneath the earth. they will soon come out through lakes and sinkholes. this is a punishment for spreading ideas of evolution. major climate change will follow. there won't be any clean water left. world government will hide food on purpose too. stores with food will be set up to laser people with the above-mentioned evil tattoo. it's better to die from hunger than receive this tattoo. now, let's go to the main message of christianity. God incarnated (took on human body) to die for our sins so that we can go to heaven. now why was this necessary? well, remember the 10 billion seats from before? yep, they're all empty because everyone went to hell. there were only 2 people that went to heaven (enoch and elijah). so, God didn't want all people to burn in hell, so He provided a cure for this - He died on the cross for our sins and went to hell to pick "believers in Him during their lives on earth" to take them to heaven. now most people go to hell too, but christians don't. why? because God said that if you believe in what He did for you on the cross, and feel sorry for your sins, and stop sinning, you'll go to heaven.
 
2012-03-15 11:35:16 PM

Somacandra: Facts for many people are derived from values, rather than the other way around. People need their values on a day to day basis more than they encounter factual abstractions. It may suck, but its still the case. Now having read the original article (new window), I agree that this confusion of facts and opinions is a big problem, especially among the batshiat-crazy reactionaries who see no difference between the two at all. However, when it comes to the specific issue of taxation, it should be pointed out that the TeaBagger/Republican mantra has been about long term middle class tax burdens with these higher debts much more than immediate middle class tax burden. Whether you interpret the question as short-term or long-term makes a difference, and perhaps a reasonable one at that. And I'm sure that when we had very high gas prices under Mr. Bush, Democrats would have said that he should have been able to control gas prices too, just as Republicans are saying under Mr. Obama.


I remember you being a reactionary, long ago. Wow, you made very good points. Well done.
 
2012-03-15 11:35:19 PM

Nadie_AZ: cman: Pete and repeat were in a boat...

And then they exploded as they floated into a land mine placed by an air man.




Damnit! I could never beat him!
 
2012-03-15 11:35:27 PM
Decreased taxes, looser (and reduced) gun regulations, and he is still the libby-est lib who ever libbed. Why? Because he is a Democrat. "D" is the first letter of Democrat and the first level of Devil. Do you think that is a coincidence? Now go rape a woman and be fruitful.
 
2012-03-15 11:35:30 PM
Sorry, the truth of the matter simply isn't truthy enough. Sometimes you just have to sexify things up with some lies.Why, if people were to admit that taxation hasn't increased over the last 3+ years, they might have to start actually considering the factors contributing to the state of the economy and devising real solutions.

What do we look like? A country that's not lazy?
 
2012-03-15 11:36:59 PM

ssa5: I am so glad that every 2 years we have such an intelligent and informed citizenry that makes such wise decisions.

I think that a few of the Republicans probably do know the truth, just afraid to admit it seeing as this undermines their entire ideology of lies and deception.


It is also true that because the economy is so weak tax revenues are lower because consumption is less as is income. If we are to give Obama credit for the lower taxes will we give him credit for the weaker economy?
 
2012-03-15 11:37:51 PM
These days any sentence beginning with "Most Americans" makes me nervous.
 
2012-03-15 11:41:26 PM
That's what happens when you have large portions of the population losing well paying jobs. Thanks Obama for lowering their tax rate!
 
2012-03-15 11:41:34 PM

tinyarena: These days any sentence beginning with "Most Americans" makes me nervous.


THIS.
 
2012-03-15 11:42:06 PM

tinyarena: These days any sentence beginning with "Most Americans" makes me nervous.


Most Americans like sex.

/Honestly, I don't get how the right doesn't understand that 4 word sentence.
 
2012-03-15 11:42:14 PM

praymantis: ssa5: I am so glad that every 2 years we have such an intelligent and informed citizenry that makes such wise decisions.

I think that a few of the Republicans probably do know the truth, just afraid to admit it seeing as this undermines their entire ideology of lies and deception.

It is also true that because the economy is so weak tax revenues are lower because consumption is less as is income. If we are to give Obama credit for the lower taxes will we give him credit for the weaker economy?


No, tax receipts as a percentage of GDP are at the lowest since the '50s. That pretty much removes the economy from the equation.

Math, how the fark does that work?
 
2012-03-15 11:42:27 PM
And, consequently, the national debt has exploded.

But at least Republicans got what they wanted.

I sure am glad I voted for O.
 
2012-03-15 11:42:41 PM

soy_bomb: That's what happens when you have large portions of the population losing well paying jobs. Thanks Obama for lowering their tax rate!


Yes, thank you Barack Bush.
 
2012-03-15 11:42:42 PM
Britney Spear's Speculum

Best part....forever
 
2012-03-15 11:43:06 PM
Pretty sure he is still black though.
 
2012-03-15 11:46:29 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: AdolfOliverPanties: Of course, Republicans are rattling their sabres about Iran, which is the 4th largest oil producer in the world, so this causes speculators to shiat their collective pants and drive the price of oil up. Then, Americans spend hundreds more at the pump each year and lose the benefit of the payroll tax holiday Obama just signed (which Republicans were against.)

Republicans: Farking up America is policy.

The really ironic part of it all is we don't even import any oil from Iran itself.


If only there was a way to change that....
 
2012-03-15 11:46:40 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Republicans: Farking up America is policy.


pantzondehedwtaded, deiz
 
2012-03-15 11:52:09 PM

soy_bomb: That's what happens when you have large portions of the population losing well paying jobs. Thanks Obama for lowering their tax rate!


Let me see if I get this straight...people losing their jobs magically makes the income tax rate go down?

Are you sure you understand how taxes work?
 
2012-03-15 11:53:08 PM

somedude210: ...we are witnessing a fight between the lesser of "who cares?...


www.oocities.org

/nothing's obscure on Fark
 
2012-03-15 11:55:16 PM

Sabyen91: tinyarena: These days any sentence beginning with "Most Americans" makes me nervous.

Most Americans like sex.


Yeah, but how many will admit it?
 
2012-03-15 11:57:04 PM

davidphogan: Sabyen91: tinyarena: These days any sentence beginning with "Most Americans" makes me nervous.

Most Americans like sex.

Yeah, but how many will admit it?


176,000,000.
 
2012-03-15 11:57:47 PM

KWess: somedude210: ...we are witnessing a fight between the lesser of "who cares?...

[www.oocities.org image 326x238]

/nothing's obscure on Fark


one of my favorite speeches from that show :D

love the pic btw, never seen it before
 
2012-03-15 11:57:55 PM

davidphogan: Sabyen91: tinyarena: These days any sentence beginning with "Most Americans" makes me nervous.

Most Americans like sex.

Yeah, but how many will admit it?


You don't have to go to confession before you go into that little chamber to pull the lever.
 
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