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2012-03-17 12:52:28 PM
are all jewish people as bad as hitler?
 
2012-03-17 12:56:29 PM

21-7-b: i've almost got it

obviously, the jewish people snidely provoked hitler into slaughtering as many jewish people as possible

hitler liked cars

therefore ... it's the jewish people's fault

qed


Wait.

Henry Ford won the award from Nazi Germany, yet Ford is the only one that didn't take a bailout.

This makes no sense.
 
2012-03-17 12:57:31 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Wait.

Henry Ford won the award from Nazi Germany, yet Ford is the only one that didn't take a bailout.

This makes no sense.


That's because Obama is a Muslim, not a Jew.
 
ecl
2012-03-17 12:58:55 PM

21-7-b: are all jewish people as bad as hitler?


There's some smoking hot IDF chicks that I have to give passes to. I'm only a man.
 
2012-03-17 01:05:35 PM

doyner: I think we have discovered a chicken super-species.


ChickenHAWK species. Important distinction.
 
2012-03-17 01:29:49 PM

MisterRonbo: winterwhile: born_yesterday: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Parthenogenetic: I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand.

That...that was beautiful sir.

Thanks for that post, P.

those who work at Southwest airlines, that grew because Air Florida and Eastern went under

Have something to say to you......

we make a P&L statement work, your Government Motors has yet to do that

General Motors showed a net profit if $7.6 billion last year.

Facts, how do they work?


How much "profit" was due to Dept of Homeland security fleet purchases?
How much "profit" was due to GE fleet purchases?
How much "profit" was due to Volt subsidies from the Dept of energy?

What exactly is GM doing now that it wasn't doing 5 years ago? They are still making massive gas hogs, nobody wants to buy the Volt and their compact cars cant compete with what Honda, Hyundai, Ford and Toyota put out. The only thing about today is that I am seeing a heck of a lot of public employees and government officials driving brand new Tahoes.
 
2012-03-17 01:32:05 PM
I give credit to Dems for the Volt and for awarding a prize for development of a $50 light bulb.
Time to convert AF-1 to solar.

BTW are Democrats paying transportatiion and security costs for Obama's fundraising junkets?

Guests at the recent State Dinner for the Prime Minister of the UK disproportionately included Obama bundlers.

I laugh every time Dems try to blame Solyndra on Bush.
 
2012-03-17 01:44:06 PM

o5iiawah: What exactly is GM doing now that it wasn't doing 5 years ago?


One word for you, China.

The Chinese view GM cars like we view BMW's and Mercedes'.

Don't ask me why. But demand is very high for GM cars in China.
 
2012-03-17 01:47:22 PM

Kibbler: "Obama hasn't done enough to protect women's right to contraception!!!11"


As a conservative I believe you have a right to obtain contraception just as I have a right to obtain firearms......But I don't expect anyone to pay for my firearms except myself....
 
2012-03-17 01:47:23 PM

Swat a Gadfly: I laugh every time Dems try to blame Solyndra on Bush.


Well he did try his damnest to sign off on those loans.

Even Politifact says so

House Republicans investigating Solyndra have claimed that the Bush administration ultimately rejected the Solyndra loan, but that's not quite the case. Democrats on the House Energy and Commerce Committee and news media point out that Bush energy officials wanted to get the loan closed on their way out the door - it was listed as the first of their "three highest priorities through January 15." (Obama took office Jan. 20, 2009.) But the Energy Department's credit committee held things up for more analysis.

"The number of issues unresolved makes a recommendation for approval premature at this time. Therefore, the committee, without prejudice, remands the project to the LGPO [Loan Guarantee Program Office] for further development of information," the committee said.

It noted Solyndra's project "appears to have merit." But the clock had run out.

That didn't keep Bush from touting the loan guarantee program on his way out of office. On Jan. 6, 2009, in remarks on conservation and the environment from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, he said, "We dedicated more than $18 billion to developing clean and efficient technologies like biofuels, advanced batteries and hydrogen fuel cells, solar and wind power, and clean, safe nuclear power. We're providing more than $40 billion in loan guarantees to put these technologies to use."


But since Fox News or Free Republic didn't say it. You won't believe it right?
 
2012-03-17 01:48:42 PM

Party Boy: sprawl15: It would be more productive and less painful to go slam my dick in a car door for the next hour.

Have fun with that. I'll go do something less destructive.


Your still a Republican you can hardly do anything more destructive than that.
 
2012-03-17 01:49:01 PM

Giltric: Kibbler: "Obama hasn't done enough to protect women's right to contraception!!!11"

As a conservative I believe you have a right to obtain contraception just as I have a right to obtain firearms......But I don't expect anyone to pay for my firearms except myself....


So insurance companies shouldn't pay for it even if they want to because why?
 
2012-03-17 01:53:40 PM

Giltric: Kibbler: "Obama hasn't done enough to protect women's right to contraception!!!11"

As a conservative I believe you have a right to obtain contraception just as I have a right to obtain firearms......But I don't expect anyone to pay for my firearms except myself....


Thats a stretch, firearms don't normally help regulate menstrual cycles. Unless of course someone wants to blow her head off because the cramps and heavy bleeding became unbearable.
 
2012-03-17 01:55:11 PM

Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Kibbler: "Obama hasn't done enough to protect women's right to contraception!!!11"

As a conservative I believe you have a right to obtain contraception just as I have a right to obtain firearms......But I don't expect anyone to pay for my firearms except myself....

So insurance companies shouldn't pay for it even if they want to because why?


Insurance companies want to pay for it because it would keep their overall costs down....bc is cheaper then birthing costs.

Its probably the only industry the left is comfortable with protecting the bottom lines of.

What if the insurance companies wnated to cut penisons/benefits/salaries of employees to protect their bottom line.....is that ok?

Why or why not.
 
2012-03-17 01:56:56 PM

o5iiawah: MisterRonbo: winterwhile: born_yesterday: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Parthenogenetic: I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand.

That...that was beautiful sir.

Thanks for that post, P.

those who work at Southwest airlines, that grew because Air Florida and Eastern went under

Have something to say to you......

we make a P&L statement work, your Government Motors has yet to do that

General Motors showed a net profit if $7.6 billion last year.

Facts, how do they work?

How much "profit" was due to Dept of Homeland security fleet purchases?
How much "profit" was due to GE fleet purchases?
How much "profit" was due to Volt subsidies from the Dept of energy?

What exactly is GM doing now that it wasn't doing 5 years ago? They are still making massive gas hogs, nobody wants to buy the Volt and their compact cars cant compete with what Honda, Hyundai, Ford and Toyota put out. The only thing about today is that I am seeing a heck of a lot of public employees and government officials driving brand new Tahoes.


subjective opinion is subjective

The Chrevolet Cruze is tied with the Civic in sales figures. The Civic is managing to post increases as a result of incentives: average of $1900 per car sold, which is twice as generous than what GM is offering on the Cruze ($1000)

Overall, GM is posting sales gains despite cutting incentive spending to under 10% per vehicle (Toyota's level), and has the industry's highest average transaction price.
 
2012-03-17 01:58:39 PM

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Kibbler: "Obama hasn't done enough to protect women's right to contraception!!!11"

As a conservative I believe you have a right to obtain contraception just as I have a right to obtain firearms......But I don't expect anyone to pay for my firearms except myself....

So insurance companies shouldn't pay for it even if they want to because why?

Insurance companies want to pay for it because it would keep their overall costs down....bc is cheaper then birthing costs.

Its probably the only industry the left is comfortable with protecting the bottom lines of.

What if the insurance companies wnated to cut penisons/benefits/salaries of employees to protect their bottom line.....is that ok?

Why or why not.


In the case of BC, they're providing a service to their customers. That's completely different from protecting their bottom line with no benefit to their customers and actually hurting their employees. IOW, false equivalence is false.
 
2012-03-17 02:00:13 PM

FlashHarry: again, i humbly suggest that obama come out in favor of food and water.


That was Michelle Obama's mistake: She came out in favor of healthy food.
 
2012-03-17 02:01:46 PM

DarwiOdrade: Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Kibbler: "Obama hasn't done enough to protect women's right to contraception!!!11"

As a conservative I believe you have a right to obtain contraception just as I have a right to obtain firearms......But I don't expect anyone to pay for my firearms except myself....

So insurance companies shouldn't pay for it even if they want to because why?

Insurance companies want to pay for it because it would keep their overall costs down....bc is cheaper then birthing costs.

Its probably the only industry the left is comfortable with protecting the bottom lines of.

What if the insurance companies wnated to cut penisons/benefits/salaries of employees to protect their bottom line.....is that ok?

Why or why not.

In the case of BC, they're providing a service to their customers. That's completely different from protecting their bottom line with no benefit to their customers and actually hurting their employees. IOW, false equivalence is false.


Are you claiming an insurance comapny providing BC as one of its covered expenses for the policy holder has nothing to do with an insurance company protecting their bottom line?

Really?
 
2012-03-17 02:03:59 PM

Giltric: Are you claiming an insurance comapny providing BC as one of its covered expenses for the policy holder has nothing to do with an insurance company protecting their bottom line?

Really?


No. All I'm saying is that "protecting the bottom line while providing a valuable service to customers" is not equivalent to "protecting the bottom line while providing no additional service and hurting employees". Is that so hard to understand?

Really?
 
2012-03-17 02:05:16 PM

DarwiOdrade: Giltric: Are you claiming an insurance comapny providing BC as one of its covered expenses for the policy holder has nothing to do with an insurance company protecting their bottom line?

Really?

No. All I'm saying is that "protecting the bottom line while providing a valuable service to customers" is not equivalent to "protecting the bottom line while providing no additional service and hurting employees". Is that so hard to understand?

Really?


Its all about money.

Thats the only reason companies exist.......otherwise they would be known as charities.
 
2012-03-17 02:06:58 PM

Giltric: Kibbler: "Obama hasn't done enough to protect women's right to contraception!!!11"

As a conservative I believe you have a right to obtain contraception just as I have a right to obtain firearms......But I don't expect anyone to pay for my firearms except myself....


The last time I checked, as a taxpayer, I'm expected to pay for a whole hell of a lot of firearms, though they might not be for you, personally.
I am still waiting for an explanation of how this society where people only pay for things they approve of is supposed to work.
 
2012-03-17 02:09:10 PM

Giltric: DarwiOdrade: Giltric: Are you claiming an insurance comapny providing BC as one of its covered expenses for the policy holder has nothing to do with an insurance company protecting their bottom line?

Really?

No. All I'm saying is that "protecting the bottom line while providing a valuable service to customers" is not equivalent to "protecting the bottom line while providing no additional service and hurting employees". Is that so hard to understand?

Really?

Its all about money.

Thats the only reason companies exist.......otherwise they would be known as charities.


Companies that provide better service get more customers, and companies that just take money to line their executives' pockets lose customers to companies that provide better service. Do you really not understand how the free market works?
 
2012-03-17 02:10:50 PM

DarwiOdrade: Companies that provide better service get more customers, and companies that just take money to line their executives' pockets lose customers to companies that provide better service. Do you really not understand how the free market works?


Also known as why HEB is kicking the shiat out of Wal-Mart in Texas and why Costco is a much, much better store than Sam's Club.
 
2012-03-17 02:10:54 PM

DarwiOdrade: Giltric: DarwiOdrade: Giltric: Are you claiming an insurance comapny providing BC as one of its covered expenses for the policy holder has nothing to do with an insurance company protecting their bottom line?

Really?

No. All I'm saying is that "protecting the bottom line while providing a valuable service to customers" is not equivalent to "protecting the bottom line while providing no additional service and hurting employees". Is that so hard to understand?

Really?

Its all about money.

Thats the only reason companies exist.......otherwise they would be known as charities.

Companies that provide better service get more customers, and companies that just take money to line their executives' pockets lose customers to companies that provide better service. Do you really not understand how the free market works?


I'm still having trouble seeing where he was trying to go with this.
 
2012-03-17 02:11:08 PM
here is another sales figure sure to make o5iiawah's poor little brain hurt.

The Chevrolet Sonic. A car he dismisses as uncompettitive with the broader market.

Chevrolet Sonic sales are at 7900 a month. The class leader. For some perspective, you would have to combine the Honda Fit's sales (4100/month) and the Toyota Yaris' sales (3800) to match the Sonic in sales.

the Sonic is also beating the Scion xB (1500) and hyundai accent (5800) and Kia Rio (3800). The Fiesta is at 5600.
 
2012-03-17 02:13:04 PM

Hobodeluxe: mrlewish: Seems like the GOP sees 1984 as an instruction manual.

"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them....To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies - all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth"

[www.jim3dlong.com image 500x670]

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''


Yeah, that's f*cking crazy isn't it? Just imagine how flabbergasted you'd be if someone actually said this to you.
 
2012-03-17 02:15:01 PM
So, how many of you have seen in comments sections on sites like FOX or CNN going from Obama will coddle Osama Bin Laden (circa 2008) to now that he was wrong to kill him? Yet I have seen over time countless trolls actually decry the fact that OBL was "murdered" by Obama. One FOX commentator actually suggested that OBL was "silenced" to protect Obama, as if they were in cahoots...ya know seekrit mooslim and all.

Funny thing is I don't necessarily believe all Republicans are racists (though they are #1 with racists) but a lot comes from just pure tribalism. Meaning any difference what so ever they just can not tolerate it. Thus it is not necessarily the skin color so much as there just happens to be a noticeable difference. And Republicans just can not tolerate this. Not like they have ever been the party of diversity after all.

But at least the mental gymnastics on issues like the automotive industry bail out is amusing. The GOP truly has become nothing but a party of the stupid, because I just do not see how any thinking person can follow the tripe that comes out of their mouths and think for a moment "yeah, I want these asshats elected".
 
2012-03-17 02:15:25 PM

DarwiOdrade: Do you really not understand how the free market works?


Well we don't have a true free market system....otherwise I would get the same tax breaks for building a 100k square foot store like Wal-Mart does.
 
2012-03-17 02:16:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: I'm still having trouble seeing where he was trying to go with this.


Maybe he's a liberal plant trying to make conservatives look stupid - he seems to do it with such regularity, zeal, and effectiveness.
 
2012-03-17 02:18:21 PM

Giltric: DarwiOdrade: Do you really not understand how the free market works?

Well we don't have a true free market system....otherwise I would get the same tax breaks for building a 100k square foot store like Wal-Mart does.


I guess you should be happy the ACA provides more choice in health insurance, then.
 
2012-03-17 02:19:43 PM

dumbobruni: Chevrolet Sonic sales are at 7900 a month. The class leader


All it has to be is "cuter" then the other cars.


The same way shiatty food only has to taste better then nutritional food.
 
2012-03-17 02:21:53 PM

ssa5: The GOP truly has become nothing but a party of the stupid, because I just do not see how any thinking person can follow the tripe that comes out of their mouths and think for a moment "yeah, I want these asshats elected".


It is truly astounding. When I think they can't get anymore outlandish with their platform they come up with even more derby derp derpishness.
I wonder if some of them actually believe what they are saying or are they just pandering to crazy people? And why?
 
2012-03-17 02:24:58 PM

o5iiawah: MisterRonbo: winterwhile: born_yesterday: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Parthenogenetic: I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand.

That...that was beautiful sir.

Thanks for that post, P.

those who work at Southwest airlines, that grew because Air Florida and Eastern went under

Have something to say to you......

we make a P&L statement work, your Government Motors has yet to do that

General Motors showed a net profit if $7.6 billion last year.

Facts, how do they work?

How much "profit" was due to Dept of Homeland security fleet purchases?
How much "profit" was due to GE fleet purchases?
How much "profit" was due to Volt subsidies from the Dept of energy?

What exactly is GM doing now that it wasn't doing 5 years ago? They are still making massive gas hogs, nobody wants to buy the Volt and their compact cars cant compete with what Honda, Hyundai, Ford and Toyota put out. The only thing about today is that I am seeing a heck of a lot of public employees and government officials driving brand new Tahoes.


They sell nearly as many cars in China as in the US. Brought out a 300 hp V6 that gets 29 mpg. Brought out the new Camaro, which is the top seller in a huge volume segment.
Trimmed brands (Pontiac, Saturn, Saab), to reduce dev and marketing costs.
Brought over some Opels to crack the small sedan market.
Brought out an upscale wagon to move Cadillac in to affluent young families.
Shed massive pension and medical legacy costs.
Got workers to accept pay and benefit cuts in exchange for profit sharing, giving workers the right incentives.

Sure, they sold a hundred thousand fleet vehicles to the federal government
last year. If they made $5k each (doubtful on fleet sales where margins are thin) that accounts for 6% of profits. The Volt subsidies add up to a rounding error, less than a hundred mill at best.

Facts, how do they work?
 
2012-03-17 02:26:52 PM

smeegle: I wonder if some of them actually believe what they are saying or are they just pandering to crazy people? And why?


Link (new window)
 
2012-03-17 02:32:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: DarwiOdrade: Giltric: DarwiOdrade: Giltric: Are you claiming an insurance comapny providing BC as one of its covered expenses for the policy holder has nothing to do with an insurance company protecting their bottom line?

Really?

No. All I'm saying is that "protecting the bottom line while providing a valuable service to customers" is not equivalent to "protecting the bottom line while providing no additional service and hurting employees". Is that so hard to understand?

Really?

Its all about money.

Thats the only reason companies exist.......otherwise they would be known as charities.

Companies that provide better service get more customers, and companies that just take money to line their executives' pockets lose customers to companies that provide better service. Do you really not understand how the free market works?

I'm still having trouble seeing where he was trying to go with this.


Trying to distract from the fact that his original "witty" comment was based on the retarded ramblings of an Oxy junkie?
 
2012-03-17 02:32:57 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Mugato: Well you can't deny that big corporations and their lobbyists have a large influence on politicians at every level, no matter what side of the aisle they're on.

Both sides are beholden to their money masters and the rich get richer no matter who is in power. But one side of the aisle looks out for the little guy as well. Both sides are bad, both sides are not equally bad.

[voices.washingtonpost.com image 454x340]


and yet the dumb bastards keep voting for the GOP because SOCIALISM!
and then they complain when their small town has cuts because of cuts in federal spending.
LOL
 
2012-03-17 02:40:39 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: smeegle: I wonder if some of them actually believe what they are saying or are they just pandering to crazy people? And why?

Link (new window)


Very interesting. Conservative denial increases with the level of scientific education.
Emotional attachment to political philosophy trumps reason. That has been evidenced in the fark threads time and time again.
 
2012-03-17 02:44:12 PM

Giltric: Kibbler: "Obama hasn't done enough to protect women's right to contraception!!!11"

As a conservative I believe you have a right to obtain contraception just as I have a right to obtain firearms......But I don't expect anyone to pay for my firearms except myself....


Since you decided to move the goalposts, I decided to go back to your original "point".

You pay for your firearms, women pay for their insurance, they're not asking you (or their employers) to pay for birth control. At most they're asking their employer to select an insurance option that covers.

And in the Sandra Fluke case, the University didn't seem to have any moral objection to giving employees an insurance option that covered birth control, so claiming it would go against their morals to give the same option to students is a load of horse sh*t.
 
2012-03-17 03:12:08 PM
He didn't bail out the auto industry, he bailed out the UAW members. From the bailouts to the failed stimulus, if you weren't a union worker then Obama could give a damn about your job since it wasn't feeding money in to the Democrat campaign machine.
 
2012-03-17 03:26:18 PM

randomjsa: He didn't bail out the auto industry


In that case, why are all you freaks and the freaks you are voting for trashing Obama for bailing out the auto industry,?
 
2012-03-17 03:58:26 PM
In my obviously anti-Semetic remarks where I suggested that large corporations have an influence on American politics, I have voluntarily turned myself in to Nuremberg to face trial. No one was there though, so I'm just going to head to Argentina. Aloha.
 
2012-03-17 04:02:08 PM

Mugato: In my obviously anti-Semetic remarks where I suggested that large corporations have an influence on American politics, I have voluntarily turned myself in to Nuremberg to face trial. No one was there though, so I'm just going to head to Argentina. Aloha.


Mahalo, you tacky socialist Eskimo.
 
2012-03-17 04:04:16 PM

Parthenogenetic: FTA:

"It is sad and disappointing to watch Pres. Obama trample on the successes of the middle-class by taking credit for auto's recovery. Obama acts as if he built and designed the cars today that are outselling their foreign competitors. Republicans and in fact most Americans recognize that credit is owed to the men and women who work on the line and build the cars, and those engineers who brought us world class cars and trucks designed for a global economy.

"Republicans recognize the real reason for the auto's successes is the men and women who work for the companies did not give up. Instead they buckled down and built more popular and higher quality vehicles that are outselling their foreign competitors. Republicans applaud middle-class men and women who are the backbone of the automotive industry."

I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand.

The union leaders and the executives held a company wide meeting, and made us all attend. Those pansy, college educated snobs, with their clean, soft, manicured hands. Obama was there, too. He didn't say a word. He paused between sips of Kristal that he swigged right out of the bottle to smile at us, with those unnaturally white teeth shining against the black void of his face.

"We're taking the bailout!" the union guys and executives said. "We need the money!"

"No way!" we shouted, as one. "No bailout! What the American auto industry needs is a managed bankruptcy!"

We, the middle class workers, knew that taking the bailout money was a devil's bargain. Sure, we might keep our jobs and continue getting a paycheck to feed our families and pay the bills, but we knew that if we did this, America would descend a little further into the cesspit of socialism. In the long run, a socialist America would be bad for the auto industry, bad for our future, bad for our children's future. If it meant that we'd lose our ...


Awsome! I award you all the internets.
 
2012-03-17 04:16:14 PM

Ed Finnerty: The GOP has become the person on the life raft who is scooping water *into* the boat and then pointing at the other occupants and vehemently chastising them for not bailing fast enough.


Exactly, and to further the analogy:
The GOP is the person on a raft with no plan or hope for survival. So he prays. "Dear Lord, Save me and I promise to do good for the rest of my life." Just then a breeze picks up and carries him over the horizon where he sees a fishing vessel headed his way. "Oh wait, the deal is off, I got this one myself."
 
2012-03-17 04:20:55 PM

Ablejack: Ed Finnerty: The GOP has become the person on the life raft who is scooping water *into* the boat and then pointing at the other occupants and vehemently chastising them for not bailing fast enough.

Exactly, and to further the analogy:
The GOP is the person on a raft with no plan or hope for survival. So he prays. "Dear Lord, Save me and I promise to do good for the rest of my life." Just then a breeze picks up and carries him over the horizon where he sees a fishing vessel headed his way. "Oh wait, the deal is off, I got this one myself."


www.dvdtalk.com
What do you do with people like that?
 
2012-03-17 04:45:24 PM

Parthenogenetic: FTA:

"It is sad and disappointing to watch Pres. Obama trample on the successes of the middle-class by taking credit for auto's recovery. Obama acts as if he built and designed the cars today that are outselling their foreign competitors. Republicans and in fact most Americans recognize that credit is owed to the men and women who work on the line and build the cars, and those engineers who brought us world class cars and trucks designed for a global economy.

"Republicans recognize the real reason for the auto's successes is the men and women who work for the companies did not give up. Instead they buckled down and built more popular and higher quality vehicles that are outselling their foreign competitors. Republicans applaud middle-class men and women who are the backbone of the automotive industry."

I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand.

The union leaders and the executives held a company wide meeting, and made us all attend. Those pansy, college educated snobs, with their clean, soft, manicured hands. Obama was there, too. He didn't say a word. He paused between sips of Kristal that he swigged right out of the bottle to smile at us, with those unnaturally white teeth shining against the black void of his face.

"We're taking the bailout!" the union guys and executives said. "We need the money!"

"No way!" we shouted, as one. "No bailout! What the American auto industry needs is a managed bankruptcy!"

We, the middle class workers, knew that taking the bailout money was a devil's bargain. Sure, we might keep our jobs and continue getting a paycheck to feed our families and pay the bills, but we knew that if we did this, America would descend a little further into the cesspit of socialism. In the long run, a socialist America would be bad for the auto industry, bad for our future, bad for our children's future. If it meant that we'd lose our ...


There's a reason I have you farkied for awesome speeches.
 
2012-03-17 04:49:28 PM
Can haz CNG pickups?

/Finally. (new window)
 
2012-03-17 04:54:35 PM
Maybe Ford can still get one too.

Sometime.

/Auto bailout was guaranteed after TARP. Or was it the other way around? "Here's a little left over TARP $, Detroit. Don't riot."
 
2012-03-17 05:06:11 PM

L82DPRT: Can haz CNG pickups?

/Finally. (new window)


Cuts into the box some, but still cool. Duel fuel make a lot of sense to start

The latest all-CNG civic has a 250 mile range, that's pretty good really, we just need more CNG stations. Although a similar car with 175 CNG and then a 4 gallon gas failover would be nice too.
 
2012-03-17 05:51:23 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: smeegle: I wonder if some of them actually believe what they are saying or are they just pandering to crazy people? And why?

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There was a similar thing on TV recently explaining a possibly related phenomena - in it they had someone inside an MRI estimating likelihood of certain bad things happening to them (getting cancer, etc.) and then showing them the actual chances afterwards. Once they had answered them all, it looped around and asked them all again to see if any of the information had sunk in - and there is a strong link that when the person overestimated the chances they accepted the new information and adjusted their second estimate, but where they underestimated the risk they too little or no account and made similar estimates to before. The MRI part was just an extension of the experiment showing how different parts of the brain tended to be used for the two actions - so if you don't "like" a fact the brain often deals with it differently to how it does when you "like" it.
 
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