Hypocrisy, it's the right wing's bread and butter.

The times the GOP has done this I could about fit in the grand farking canyon.

Wasn't there a Romney Op-Ed blasting Obama and the automotive bailout a couple of weeks ago?

Both sides of every issue, depending on which way the wind is blowing.

It's the conservative way.

Mugato: And I ask this as a former republican.

Meh, lets get real. They way the overton window has shifted, we're just about all republicans now. Just that with Kucinich gone now, its easier to lie to ourselves. We're just going for GOP lite and GOP gone wild.

With any luck, we are witnessing the death of America's right-wing party which will leave us with America's center-right party and another player TBA.

The GOP is in a running game of 'see what sticks'.

Like a developmentally challenged man with a firearm. Really unlikely to hit a target, likely to just shoot themselves and those around them, repeatedly.

Everyone knows the us auto industry is doing better because of Rick Snyder's tax plan.

Bladel: Substitute "Obamacare" for "Auto Bailout" and they'll be saying this in a few years, too.

Probably, but there will actually be some truth to that one. (1) (2)

That's what happens when you embrace conservative policies.

"Obama hasn't done enough to protect women's right to contraception!!!11"

born_yesterday: Mugato: Party Boy: Meh, lets get real. They way the overton window has shifted, we're just about all republicans now. Just that with Kucinich gone now, its easier to lie to ourselves. We're just going for GOP lite and GOP gone wild.

I see what you're saying and I realize that both parties are slaves to their corporate masters but the GOP nowadays, Jesus. They're like James Bond villains only not as cool and with severe sexual issues disguised as some kind of religious piety.

The GOP has sold some turds in its time ("trickle-down" economics, anyone?), but it seems like they're just so bad at politics now. The ideas they are trying to sell combined with their crappy delivery is just amazingly bad.

I am not sure they are so bad at politics. Their supporters are so rabid that they can convince them of any thing including holding directly contradictory beliefs. If for no other reason than to spite liberals.

Mugato: They're like James Bond villains only not as cool and with severe sexual issues disguised as some kind of religious piety.

I imagine this whole trend from the southern strategy to Lee Atwater, to the populism of today and then I tuen around and notice while the left has been making commentary on this, they've stared into the abyss.


Mugato: both parties are slaves to their corporate masters

Well, here's where the butthurt starts. Ready? I simply dislike this argument. its intellectually lazy. First, theres a buffet of motives - and this whole "corporate" thing ignores the ideological. Second, you have to connect specific people to specific actions in a specific context.

If you want to have a side discussion on this, cool. If not, I'm truncating myself on here - painfully.

Government Motors will fail again

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FTA:

"It is sad and disappointing to watch Pres. Obama trample on the successes of the middle-class by taking credit for auto's recovery. Obama acts as if he built and designed the cars today that are outselling their foreign competitors. Republicans and in fact most Americans recognize that credit is owed to the men and women who work on the line and build the cars, and those engineers who brought us world class cars and trucks designed for a global economy.

"Republicans recognize the real reason for the auto's successes is the men and women who work for the companies did not give up. Instead they buckled down and built more popular and higher quality vehicles that are outselling their foreign competitors. Republicans applaud middle-class men and women who are the backbone of the automotive industry."

I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand.

The union leaders and the executives held a company wide meeting, and made us all attend. Those pansy, college educated snobs, with their clean, soft, manicured hands. Obama was there, too. He didn't say a word. He paused between sips of Kristal that he swigged right out of the bottle to smile at us, with those unnaturally white teeth shining against the black void of his face.

"We're taking the bailout!" the union guys and executives said. "We need the money!"

"No way!" we shouted, as one. "No bailout! What the American auto industry needs is a managed bankruptcy!"

We, the middle class workers, knew that taking the bailout money was a devil's bargain. Sure, we might keep our jobs and continue getting a paycheck to feed our families and pay the bills, but we knew that if we did this, America would descend a little further into the cesspit of socialism. In the long run, a socialist America would be bad for the auto industry, bad for our future, bad for our children's future. If it meant that we'd lose our jobs, our livelihoods, and our homes, so that America could remain a sweet land of liberty, it would be worth it. Our children would be hungry and dressed in rags, but they'd live in freedom.

"Ha ha!" said the executives and the union thugs. "You don't have a choice! We already cashed Obama's check! Consider yourselves bailed out! You're welcome!" Again, that flash of white contrasting the inky blackness. The false, seductive smile promising hope and change... but behind the eyes smoldered a thinly veiled hatred for America, our way of life... freedom itself.

We left the meeting with their laughter burning in our ears. We choked back tears of helpless rage. But we resolved to fight back, the only way we could. We would build and design more popular and higher quality vehicles that would someday outsell our foreign competitors. We would not give up. We would bring the auto industry back... not BECAUSE OF the bailout, but IN SPITE of it.

born_yesterday: The GOP has sold some turds in its time ("trickle-down" economics, anyone?),

If you want to go onto the gop-lite and gop gone wild theme...... theyre both quite neoliberal in economic policies.

Seems like the GOP sees 1984 as an instruction manual.

"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them....To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies - all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth"

Parthenogenetic: I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand.

That...that was beautiful sir.

winterwhile: Government Motors will fail again

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But it didn't this time, meaning you are a failure.
Best part... forever.

I hope Drew outsources your job to India. You're not worth the minimum wage.

Parthenogenetic: I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand.

The union leaders and the executives held a company wide meeting, and made us all attend. Those pansy, college educated snobs, with their clean, soft, manicured hands. Obama was there, too. He didn't say a word. He paused between sips of Kristal that he swigged right out of the bottle to smile at us, with those unnaturally white teeth shining against the black void of his face.

"We're taking the bailout!" the union guys and executives said. "We need the money!"

"No way!" we shouted, as one. "No bailout! What the American auto industry needs is a managed bankruptcy!"

We, the middle class workers, knew that taking the bailout money was a devil's bargain. Sure, we might keep our jobs and continue getting a paycheck to feed our families and pay the bills, but we knew that if we did this, America would descend a little further into the cesspit of socialism. In the long run, a socialist America would be bad for the auto industry, bad for our future, bad for our children's future. If it meant that we'd lose our jobs, our livelihoods, and our homes, so that America could remain a sweet land of liberty, it would be worth it. Our children would be hungry and dressed in rags, but they'd live in freedom.

"Ha ha!" said the executives and the union thugs. "You don't have a choice! We already cashed Obama's check! Consider yourselves bailed out! You're welcome!" Again, that flash of white contrasting the inky blackness. The false, seductive smile promising hope and change... but behind the eyes smoldered a thinly veiled hatred for America, our way of life... freedom itself.

We left the meeting with their laughter burning in our ears. We choked back tears of helpless rage. But we resolved to fight back, the only way we could. We would build and design more popular and higher quality vehicles that wo ...

Bravo!

bmongar: I am not sure they are so bad at politics. Their supporters are so rabid that they can convince them of any thing including holding directly contradictory beliefs. If for no other reason than to spite liberals.

But these are people that are going to vote for them regardless, they don't need to chase their votes - especially when doing so alienates potential voters with more moderate views.

winterwhile: Government Motors will fail again

I said it first here on Fark

no rights reserved

No rights reserved? OK, never mind the fact that there is no such thing as "Government Motors" (I can only assume you're trying some sort of silly wordplay on General Motors), you've made a statement which you apparently are trying to stand by, but you're willing to wave all rights to that statement if things should change?

Wow, just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber...

Oh, who am I kidding? You probably just got tripped up on the word "reserved" when attempting to read this.

Parthenogenetic: I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand....


favorited.

Parthenogenetic: FTA:

"It is sad and disappointing to watch Pres. Obama trample on the successes of the middle-class by taking credit for auto's recovery. Obama acts as if he built and designed the cars today that are outselling their foreign competitors. Republicans and in fact most Americans recognize that credit is owed to the men and women who work on the line and build the cars, and those engineers who brought us world class cars and trucks designed for a global economy.

"Republicans recognize the real reason for the auto's successes is the men and women who work for the companies did not give up. Instead they buckled down and built more popular and higher quality vehicles that are outselling their foreign competitors. Republicans applaud middle-class men and women who are the backbone of the automotive industry."

I am a middle class white Christian man living in the Midwest who works in the auto industry. I witnessed this total failure of a bailout firsthand.

The union leaders and the executives held a company wide meeting, and made us all attend. Those pansy, college educated snobs, with their clean, soft, manicured hands. Obama was there, too. He didn't say a word. He paused between sips of Kristal that he swigged right out of the bottle to smile at us, with those unnaturally white teeth shining against the black void of his face.

"We're taking the bailout!" the union guys and executives said. "We need the money!"

"No way!" we shouted, as one. "No bailout! What the American auto industry needs is a managed bankruptcy!"

We, the middle class workers, knew that taking the bailout money was a devil's bargain. Sure, we might keep our jobs and continue getting a paycheck to feed our families and pay the bills, but we knew that if we did this, America would descend a little further into the cesspit of socialism. In the long run, a socialist America would be bad for the auto industry, bad for our future, bad for our children's future. If it meant that we'd lose our ...

that is pure win

Bladel: Substitute "Obamacare" for "Auto Bailout" and they'll be saying this in a few years, too.

I'm actually surprised Romney hasn't tried to spin Romneycare as being preferable to Obamacare "because states rights" or some bullshiat. It seems like something an actually decent candidate could probably do, but he's only half-assed that kind of reasoning.

stoli n coke: You're not worth the minimum wage.

winterwhile's brainless dribblings aren't worth anything, let alone a minimum wage.

Mugato: Well you can't deny that big corporations and their lobbyists have a large influence on politicians at every level, no matter what side of the aisle they're on.

Ok. Let me put up a large mirror here. The problem is in the conflation of "all corporations" and the lack of specific context.

Mugato: both parties are slaves to their corporate masters

Mugato: Well you can't deny that big corporations and their lobbyists have a large influence on politicians at every level, no matter what side of the aisle they're on.

Using the same conflationary logic.

Washington Post: In presidential elections, Democratic candidates depend on Jewish supporters to supply as much as 60 percent of the money raised from private sources. Any significant reduction in the financial support will weaken Democratic candidates and the Democratic Party organizations.

JTA: Obama captured 78 percent of the Jewish vote in 2008, and estimates over the years have reckoned that Jewish donors provide between one-third and two-thirds of the party's money.

Commentary: Estimates of the amount of money Jews have donated to American politicians, parties, and causes are even less accurate than the loose estimates of Jewish votes, but there is little question that the figure is staggering.

Using the same logic, one is stepping into blatantly anti-semetic grounds from a dangerous conflation *if* one conflates to the group.

Now, can you see why it is very important to use specific people and specific actions within a specific context to make an argument - and how conflations are dangerous? The last article has a bit on Sheldon Adelson - the guy who revived Newts campaign practically single handedly. He most certainly did that on ideological grounds. This "corporate masters" buisness is repellent, as is anyone looking at the info above and saying "Jewish masters." Its nonsensical from the errors of conflation.

Standard GOP position is the other guy is wrong, was wrong, will be wrong.

Otherwise they don't have their platform.

wildcardjack: Standard GOP position is the other guy is wrong, was wrong, will be wrong.

Otherwise they don't have their platform.

That's fine talk coming from a SLUT!!11!

Mugato: h my God

Read the entire argument and try not to apply a broad brush.
If you are trying to bail from it, fine.

winterwhile: I make poopy in thread!