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2012-03-15 04:41:19 PM
Restless leg syndrome.
 
2012-03-15 04:46:38 PM
Doctors with an attention deficit diagnose attention deficit (because it's an easier answer than actually troubleshooting). It's like vampires, Masons, or mail carriers from The Postman. Only a member can make you a member.
 
2012-03-15 04:52:38 PM
imgs.xkcd.com

/natch
 
2012-03-15 04:57:40 PM

moof: Restless leg syndrome.


That's it. I'm blaming my mom for having a cell phone years before they were readily available!

Then again, if it weren't for Restless Leg Syndrome, I'd get no exercise at all.
 
2012-03-15 05:00:34 PM
babtras: Doctors with an attention deficit diagnose attention deficit (because it's an easier answer than actually troubleshooting). It's like vampires, Masons, or mail carriers from The Postman. Only a member can make you a member.

A family doctor/general practitioner should have no business diagnosing a child with either Attention Deficit Disorder, Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder, or Bipolar Disorder. It should be a diagnosis made only by a Pediatric Psychiatrist or Neurologist based on repeated observation and follow-up.

The sad thing is, there are all-too-many practitioners out there who are willing to give a kid Vyvance or Adderall with one visit. And it's next to impossible for an adult diagnosed with ADHD to get a new script for the medications thanks to everyone and their uncle abusing them.
 
2012-03-15 05:01:51 PM
So if you're pregnant with a litter of mice, definitely consider limiting phone time.
 
2012-03-15 05:02:27 PM
www.soundwave.net63.net
//Woah
 
2012-03-15 05:04:12 PM

duppy: So if you're pregnant with a litter of mice, definitely consider limiting phone time.


To not all the time
 
2012-03-15 05:08:54 PM
BronyMedic:

A family doctor/general practitioner should have no business diagnosing a child with either Attention Deficit Disorder, Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder, or Bipolar Disorder. It should be a diagnosis made only by a Pediatric Psychiatrist or Neurologist based on repeated observation and follow-up.

I agree, but a Psychiatrist IS a doctor, so I don't retract my statement. I wasn't necessarily talking about a general practitioner though it wouldn't be above some of them to decide they can make a behavioral diagnosis also.
 
2012-03-15 05:15:23 PM
Why are fetuses using cell phones in the first place?

/this texting crap is getting out of hand
 
2012-03-15 05:15:38 PM
Ooh! Oooh! I know I KNOWIKNOWIKNOW

um.

Let's ride BIKES!
 
2012-03-15 05:18:08 PM
No, it does not. Period.
 
2012-03-15 05:19:22 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Why are fetuses using cell phones in the first place?

/this texting crap is getting out of hand


Yeah, I'm not letting my daughter get a cell phone 'til she's at least out of the womb.
 
2012-03-15 05:21:20 PM

b2theory: No, it does not. Period.


Yeah, but I fully expect within the week to be inundated with Facebook "awareness" shares that repeat this study's findings as if they were gospel handed down from heaven.
 
2012-03-15 05:23:38 PM
As someone with ADHD I'm not paying any attention to this purple monkey dishwasher
 
2012-03-15 05:24:38 PM
www.kevinmarshallonline.com
 
2012-03-15 05:55:25 PM
files.sa-mp.im
 
2012-03-15 06:15:08 PM
a two thousand watt microwave can't penetrate that far


lol, retards!
 
2012-03-15 06:27:42 PM
You people with all your smarts thinking you know all about......Oh hey look, a squirrel!
 
2012-03-15 06:31:25 PM

meat0918: b2theory: No, it does not. Period.

Yeah, but I fully expect within the week to be inundated with Facebook "awareness" shares that repeat this study's findings as if they were gospel handed down from heaven.


I all too aware.

The big problem is that the researchers saw this data and didn't assume that they hosed their experiment. It's a little like the CERN team that saw data indicating FTL particles. The team immediately suspected they had a measurement error. The overwhelming null hypothesis is that this experiment should be negative. There is zero biological plausibility for low power RF interacting in a non-thermal manner. This team should set out to find out where they screwed up.
 
2012-03-15 06:33:02 PM
Anybody read the paper? Did they suggest a mechanism for this and/or grasping for a headline and more funding?
 
2012-03-15 06:54:15 PM
Bullshiat. This is just marketing hype so parents get their kids hooked on addictive drugs. There exists no ADHD physical test - there did exist one potential blood test for ADD related related to plasma levels of HVA, but the it was found that NRI's and DRI's - not dopamine agonists like dextro amphetamine i.e. Adderall - were effective in patients exhibiting ADD symptoms AND low HVA levels. Meanwhile it was demonstrated that amphetamines before puberty increased ADHD pathology in adulthood. Translation: Take it before puberty, i.e. kids in school who can't pay attention, and you basically guarantee yourself life-long ADHD which means a life-long addiction to the drug and the companies that make them. So be really, REALLY sure before putting your kid on an upper so they get good grades.
 
2012-03-15 06:56:24 PM

Russ1642: Anybody read the paper? Did they suggest a mechanism for this and/or grasping for a headline and more funding?


It reads like those global warming lies we hear all the time on fark. I mean, see for yourself: Whole cell patch clamp recordings of miniature excitatory postsynaptic currents (mEPSCs) revealed that these behavioral changes were due to altered neuronal developmental programming. Exposed mice had dose-responsive impaired glutamatergic synaptic transmission onto layer V pyramidal neurons of the prefrontal cortex.

What kind of crap is that?!?!
 
2012-03-15 07:28:05 PM

b2theory: No, it does not. Period.


It *could*. That's all the study is saying.

/Why you hate science?
 
2012-03-15 07:37:37 PM
We should probably figure out the mechanism for ADHD before trying to find a cause...

/Just sayin'
 
2012-03-15 07:38:23 PM

Russ1642: Anybody read the paper? Did they suggest a mechanism for this and/or grasping for a headline and more funding?


I read the paper. There was some hand waving at the end about a couple hypothesized modalities, none that have been repeated as far as I aware.

One potential flaw in there experiment is their assumption that the only thing cell phones do is radiate RF. I don't know if they vacuum bagged their phones when they had them on, but they would get fairly warm if left on for several hours at a time. This might cause the PWBs to outgas some fairly nasty chemicals. I also wouldn't be surprised if their phones were making a fair amount of non-audible(for humans) noise that might stress the crap out of the mice.
 
2012-03-15 08:09:47 PM

Arctic Phoenix: b2theory: No, it does not. Period.

It *could*. That's all the study is saying.

/Why you hate science?


No! It's the simple physics of what's being claimed.

1. E=hv
2. They make a comparison to alcohol, tobacco, and stress as similar examples of things that lead to developmental issues. The big difference between those things and cell phone emissions is that they have measurable acute effects where as RF in a region where it isn't contributing significant heating does not. I can take a blood sample and tell if you have been drinking, smoking, or are producing stress hormones. I can't look at your blood and tell if you are using a cell phone. As far as I am aware there isn't a single known compound that responds in to 1GHz photons. This is required for there to be a biologically plausible argument.
3. Their certainty bothers me. The fact that they went looking for a link when there was nothing to suggest there should be one, and found what they were looking for, sounds like confirmation bias.
 
2012-03-15 08:10:52 PM
I would love to know what these guys are talking about when they use the term "radiation", since cell phone radiation isn't ionizing, and travels pretty damn far in order to hit the tower.
 
2012-03-15 08:15:09 PM
I came in to write something snarky about my mother being an early adopter of mobile telephony. But then I recalled that she had to drop out of Uni after finding herself miraculously with child. A Uni where she was studying Radiography.
Oops
So perhaps I should hold the side order of snark and go have a nice cold glass of radium water?
 
2012-03-15 08:39:09 PM
There's certainly that viewpoint.

And then there's what the National Cancer Institute has to say about that (new window).

tl;dr: there's a shiatlord in Sweden getting paid millions by plaintiff's firms to spew out bullshiat science
 
2012-03-15 09:55:26 PM

LeafyGreens: There's certainly that viewpoint.

And then there's what the National Cancer Institute has to say about that (new window).

tl;dr: there's a shiatlord in Sweden getting paid millions by plaintiff's firms to spew out bullshiat science


That was a wonderful summation of the state of research into this topic. Thank you.
 
2012-03-15 10:06:38 PM
How deeply would the radiation have to penetrate? At least as deep as dad did, and something tells me that's not likely.
 
2012-03-15 10:10:41 PM
Hummmptfh. It's not radiation that is the problem. The problem obviously stems from the nagging*talking* - and the solution is just as obvious: women, especially pregnant women and reporters, should only speak when spoken to by a man.

/srs? no.
 
2012-03-15 10:35:39 PM
And I thought it was related to smoking and or drinking during pregnancy.
 
2012-03-15 11:16:35 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation
 
2012-03-16 05:13:09 AM
Anyone who notices no difference in the clarity of their mental landscape when bathing in cellphone signals (city) and not bathing in cellphone signals (country) are asleep. It's night and day.

/flame on
 
2012-03-16 09:25:30 AM

newton: Anyone who notices no difference in the clarity of their mental landscape when bathing in cellphone signals (city) and not bathing in cellphone signals (country) are asleep. It's night and day.

/flame on


Nope, you're just crazy. Or you are bothered by sounds.
 
2012-03-16 01:17:14 PM
Weird story, bro:

Back in 2003 the wife and I were trying to sell our first house to move into a larger one. A mom came by, pregnant with #2, and was just loving the house and the area. The kid's rooms were across the hall from the master suite, finished basement, hot tub on back, cathedral ceilings, etc.. Loved it, we started moving forward on the property sale, and it looked very good.

Then her hubby came to look at it, and noticed the easement road behind the house with a power line tower built on it. He flipped out, citing some obscure study from Great Britain that exposure to EM fields near high-voltage power lines is "directly correlated" to an increased incidence of childhood leukemia. Their first kid was at that point 5-ish. Since they couldn't back out of the deal based on that, they used some other BS excuse to break the contract. Apparently the family didn't use microwave ovens or cell phones, either.

Ironic point #1: Dad was the IT manager at the local university, so chances are his gonads were getting nuked daily from sitting inside a huge data center server farm, which of course doesn't put out any high-energy EM radiation whatsoever.

Ironic point #2: The couple ended up buying a 50-year-old home in an older part of the neighborhood, and spent six months ripping out all the guts and putting in new drywall, wiring and insulation. I'm sure the old mold spores, lead paint and other contaminants weren't risky for them at all, either.

/Reminded me of that old Parade article that said EM fields from power lines and appliances were dangerous, but MRI scans were "just fine".
 
2012-03-16 06:24:41 PM

newton: Anyone who notices no difference in the clarity of their mental landscape when bathing in cellphone signals (city) and not bathing in cellphone signals (country) are asleep. It's night and day.

/flame on


Really? That's weird. Then again I don't bathe with cellphone signals so I have no idea it's efficacy in cleaning, I personally prefer to take a hot shower with soap and hot water. But if bathing with cell phone signals works to keep you clean then who am I to judge.
 
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