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2012-03-15 08:57:04 AM
I'd give real money if he and his supporters shut up.
 
2012-03-15 09:12:44 AM
At this point he's simply preparing the ground for Rand.
 
2012-03-15 10:06:53 AM
Just... just go away already.
 
2012-03-15 10:07:33 AM
"We are here."

/Horton hears a Ron Paul supporter.

Rand will get on the short list for Veep in return for RON PAULs Delegates to Romney.
 
2012-03-15 10:09:33 AM

quatchi: "We are here."

/Horton hears a Ron Paul supporter.

Rand will get on the short list for Veep in return for RON PAULs Delegates to Romney.


And then Rand will not be chosen.

He's just not a good national choice and even the republicans know it.
 
2012-03-15 10:10:40 AM
31 DELEGATES? I heard different. How can you count delegates of caucus states accurately, when they aren't even picked yet?
 
2012-03-15 10:10:52 AM

quatchi: Rand will get on the short list for Veep in return for RON PAULs Delegates to Romney.


Hah. For that to happen, Romney has to have not enough delegates to get a majority, but just enough to go over the line with Paul's 60 or however little many he'll have at the end of the race. Unlikely methinks.
 
2012-03-15 10:12:49 AM
Primaries and delegates aren't in the Constitution!
 
2012-03-15 10:14:09 AM
Who?
 
2012-03-15 10:14:19 AM

DozeNutz: 31 DELEGATES? I heard different. How can you count delegates of caucus states accurately, when they aren't even picked yet?


The article actually said 48. But who cares? He still hasn't won a state and is fourth in delegates.
 
2012-03-15 10:15:52 AM

Andy Andy: quatchi: "We are here."

/Horton hears a Ron Paul supporter.

Rand will get on the short list for Veep in return for RON PAULs Delegates to Romney.

And then Rand will not be chosen.

He's just not a good national choice and even the republicans know it.


It has to be someone from the south and it can't be Rubio cos a 1.5 Mormon ticket gets no sales.

There are simply no good national choices for POTUS for the GOP what made you think there would be a good Veep choice?

Rand potentially brings in the youth vote, the libertarian vote, the Southern vote and the Teatard vote.

I defy you to find someone better to hang around Rmoney's neck in order to get the tards to play with him.
 
2012-03-15 10:15:59 AM

quatchi: "We are here."

/Horton hears a Ron Paul supporter.

Rand will get on the short list for Veep in return for RON PAULs Delegates to Romney.


Rand doesn't bring anything to the ticket except more woman hatred and corporate fellating. Romney will pick Tom Ridge, who brings the swing state of PA and helps fill in Romney's foreign policy/national security void. Plus, Romney won't be short by ~50 votes. If he's short, he'll be short ~200.
 
2012-03-15 10:16:09 AM
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2012-03-15 10:16:38 AM
It would be nice if people understood how delegates work. Very few have actually been awarded yet. Most of the caucuses and primaries so far have been nothing but straw polls. Actual delegates are picked usually by state delegates that are picked by county delegates, and Ron Paul supporters have been good at getting local delegate positions. Is he going to win? Of course not, but he will end up with a lot more than is being implied, and is angling to have some sway at the convention.
 
2012-03-15 10:17:22 AM
I'm no RON PAUL-ist, but I think he comes off as the most down-to-earth common sense voice of the group...
 
2012-03-15 10:17:26 AM
There's been stories about how Paul and Romney are... whatever you call a relationship between a robot and lunatic... I'll go with friends for lack of a better term. So I'd say his delegates are already spoken for.
 
2012-03-15 10:17:54 AM
Its rigged. (new window)
 
2012-03-15 10:19:45 AM

Manute Bol: I'm no RON PAUL-ist, but I think he comes off as the most down-to-earth common sense voice of the group...


I don't believe that there has ever been a favorable connection made between RON PAUL and common sense previous to this post.
 
2012-03-15 10:21:18 AM

Manute Bol: I'm no RON PAUL-ist, but I think he comes off as the most down-to-earth common sense voice of the group...


"What's your plan on immigration?"
"Audit the fed."
"What about China?"
"Audit the fed."
"Would you audit the fed in response to Iran's nuclear program?"
"No, in that case I'd switch to a gold standard."
 
2012-03-15 10:22:35 AM
I post this in nearly every Ron Paul thread because I feel it's prescient:


There is a special valueset that Ron Paul advocates, and this valueset always seems to attract the most fearlessly individualistic: Libertarians, militia groups, Objectivists, 4channers and teenage miscreants -- in other words, people who are total shiat-bags and want to live in a system where they are permitted to be total shiat-bags without consequence.

They call it "freedom", of course, but truth be known there are more important things in society than freedom, which to these people has been wrapped into its own religious mythology so pure and exalted that it has stunted their personal growth as normal, able-bodied, well-adjusted people ("freedom", after all, isn't a reason to do things; it is a rationalization for doing them).

They also subscribe to the Austrian School of Economics, which is an economic system that consists entirely of ideological catchphrases, talking points and flowing rhetoric deliberately left open to interpretation, has no scientific basis or any practical application, and conflicts with obvious empirical data (Austrian school is in opposition to empiricism. Their papers use no math, in a subject that is all about math). One of the most distinguishing characteristics of most followers of the Austrian school is that they often display a gross misunderstanding of modern economics.

But probably the worst thing about Ron Paul, his followers and their socio-political ideological underpinnings is their inherent belief that everyone will behave themselves if we all just leave each other alone. This ideal -- the honor system -- has never been known to work in any open system, location or culture in the history of the world.

Any philosophy (whether its political, or moral, or economic) that doesn't start with the basic premise that people are flaming assholes is fundamentally flawed.
 
2012-03-15 10:22:53 AM
This is kind of sad to watch.
 
2012-03-15 10:24:33 AM

Dogberry: At this point he's simply preparing the ground for Rand.


Boggles the brain. All of these RP supporters talking about being "free thinkers", yet they're being given like some heirloom over to Rand Paul to blindly follow. And the threat to America continues.

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Just like when Kim Jung Il croaked and all of the N. Korean slaves were told to follow Fatty Dingdongs.
 
2012-03-15 10:28:05 AM

Ishkur: I post this in nearly every Ron Paul thread because I feel it's prescient:


There is a special valueset that Ron Paul advocates, and this valueset always seems to attract the most fearlessly individualistic: Libertarians, militia groups, Objectivists, 4channers and teenage miscreants -- in other words, people who are total shiat-bags and want to live in a system where they are permitted to be total shiat-bags without consequence.

They call it "freedom", of course, but truth be known there are more important things in society than freedom, which to these people has been wrapped into its own religious mythology so pure and exalted that it has stunted their personal growth as normal, able-bodied, well-adjusted people ("freedom", after all, isn't a reason to do things; it is a rationalization for doing them).

They also subscribe to the Austrian School of Economics, which is an economic system that consists entirely of ideological catchphrases, talking points and flowing rhetoric deliberately left open to interpretation, has no scientific basis or any practical application, and conflicts with obvious empirical data (Austrian school is in opposition to empiricism. Their papers use no math, in a subject that is all about math). One of the most distinguishing characteristics of most followers of the Austrian school is that they often display a gross misunderstanding of modern economics.

But probably the worst thing about Ron Paul, his followers and their socio-political ideological underpinnings is their inherent belief that everyone will behave themselves if we all just leave each other alone. This ideal -- the honor system -- has never been known to work in any open system, location or culture in the history of the world.

Any philosophy (whether its political, or moral, or economic) that doesn't start with the basic premise that people are flaming assholes is fundamentally flawed.


Nice analysis. I somehow managed to miss it all those other times so ta for posting that
 
2012-03-15 10:29:44 AM

RexTalionis: I'd give real money if he and his supporters shut up.


I don't mind RON PAUL speaking. He's a politician and a public figure and he can talk until he's blue in the face, and he's at least made a good number of young people think about the idea of personal freedoms.

His supporters can eat a bag of dicks though. I absolutely cannot stand those obnoxious, disingenuous, pretentious motherfarkers.
 
2012-03-15 10:33:57 AM

quatchi: Andy Andy: quatchi: "We are here."

/Horton hears a Ron Paul supporter.

Rand will get on the short list for Veep in return for RON PAULs Delegates to Romney.

And then Rand will not be chosen.

He's just not a good national choice and even the republicans know it.

It has to be someone from the south and it can't be Rubio cos a 1.5 Mormon ticket gets no sales.

There are simply no good national choices for POTUS for the GOP what made you think there would be a good Veep choice?

Rand potentially brings in the youth vote, the libertarian vote, the Southern vote and the Teatard vote.

I defy you to find someone better to hang around Rmoney's neck in order to get the tards to play with him.


Bobby Jindal is pretty popular with the Tea set, brownness notwithstanding.
 
2012-03-15 10:34:09 AM

Zerochance: RexTalionis: I'd give real money if he and his supporters shut up.

I don't mind RON PAUL speaking. He's a politician and a public figure and he can talk until he's blue in the face, and he's at least made a good number of young people think about the idea of personal freedoms.


He'd be a great in an advisory position, because he's excellent at seeing problems and he tends to stand his ground. It's his solutions that tend to be profoundly retarded.

Zerochance: His supporters can eat a bag of dicks though. I absolutely cannot stand those obnoxious, disingenuous, pretentious motherfarkers.


Then there's this. RONPAUL fans are the political world's Tool fans.
 
2012-03-15 10:35:22 AM

Ishkur: Any philosophy (whether its political, or moral, or economic) that doesn't start with the basic premise that people are flaming assholes is fundamentally flawed.


And therein lies the contradiction of RON PAUL. He treats the Constitution as a sacrosanct piece of legislation and yet it operates on this very same principle, particularly on the "freedom of religion" front.
 
2012-03-15 10:35:58 AM
Ron Paul is the only candidate that has a day job. He should quit joisting at windmills and GBTW.
 
2012-03-15 10:37:51 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Manute Bol: I'm no RON PAUL-ist, but I think he comes off as the most down-to-earth common sense voice of the group...

I don't believe that there has ever been a favorable connection made between RON PAUL and common sense previous to this post.


again, I'm comparing him to the other 3 candidates, so it's a relative term here...
 
2012-03-15 10:39:38 AM

Andy Andy: quatchi: "We are here."

/Horton hears a Ron Paul supporter.

Rand will get on the short list for Veep in return for RON PAULs Delegates to Romney.

And then Rand will not be chosen.

He's just not a good national choice and even the republicans know it.


Like any of these other guys are.

It's fourth and long at their own 30. Time to punt and hope for the best in the next quarter (2016).
 
2012-03-15 10:42:27 AM

Ishkur: I post this in nearly every Ron Paul thread because I feel it's prescient:


There is a special valueset that Ron Paul advocates, and this valueset always seems to attract the most fearlessly individualistic: Libertarians, militia groups, Objectivists, 4channers and teenage miscreants -- in other words, people who are total shiat-bags and want to live in a system where they are permitted to be total shiat-bags without consequence.

They call it "freedom", of course, but truth be known there are more important things in society than freedom, which to these people has been wrapped into its own religious mythology so pure and exalted that it has stunted their personal growth as normal, able-bodied, well-adjusted people ("freedom", after all, isn't a reason to do things; it is a rationalization for doing them).

They also subscribe to the Austrian School of Economics, which is an economic system that consists entirely of ideological catchphrases, talking points and flowing rhetoric deliberately left open to interpretation, has no scientific basis or any practical application, and conflicts with obvious empirical data (Austrian school is in opposition to empiricism. Their papers use no math, in a subject that is all about math). One of the most distinguishing characteristics of most followers of the Austrian school is that they often display a gross misunderstanding of modern economics.

But probably the worst thing about Ron Paul, his followers and their socio-political ideological underpinnings is their inherent belief that everyone will behave themselves if we all just leave each other alone. This ideal -- the honor system -- has never been known to work in any open system, location or culture in the history of the world.

Any philosophy (whether its political, or moral, or economic) that doesn't start with the basic premise that people are flaming assholes is fundamentally flawed.


Have you are fundamentally against classical liberalism? I think the whole creation of America is based on it. Ya know, the whole age of enlightenment, Bastiat, Locke, and those guys.
 
2012-03-15 10:43:23 AM
Ron Paul supporters are some of the most deluded people on the planet. They're completely convinced that he is the most popular politician in America and is going to storm to the Presidency this year with a bigger landslide than either LBJ or Reagan's second election. They would probably be better off getting committed to an insane asylum.
 
2012-03-15 10:44:40 AM

sprawl15: Then there's this. RONPAUL fans are the political world's Tool fans.


More like Juggalos if you ask me.
 
2012-03-15 10:44:47 AM

Great_Milenko: It's fourth and long at their own 30. Time to punt and hope for the best in the next quarter (2016).


I really don't think the GOP can recover from the damage it's doing to itself this cycle. By having the various wings finally start tearing at each other, they open the door to as much interparty bickering as the Dems, without the inclusive mindset that can deal with it. There's going to be a huge amount of fallout after the GOP loses this election, followed by an even harder round of purity tests and other stupidity. Were we to see the GOP collapse in the next decade or so, I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

The real question is where the replacement party is going to try to sit on the spectrum. Both the GOP and Dems are very corporatist, it would be interesting to see a populist movement arise (as much as our system works against such an idea). The Dems moved so far towards the 'middle' of the two parties that going to the right or left of them is a losing proposition.
 
2012-03-15 10:47:05 AM

Serious Black: They would probably be better off getting committed to an insane asylum.


I'm generally not one for hyperbole but I can see nothing wrong with this statement.
 
2012-03-15 10:48:19 AM

Zerochance: RexTalionis: I'd give real money if he and his supporters shut up.

I don't mind RON PAUL speaking. He's a politician and a public figure and he can talk until he's blue in the face, and he's at least made a good number of young people think about the idea of personal freedoms.

His supporters can eat a bag of dicks though. I absolutely cannot stand those obnoxious, disingenuous, pretentious motherfarkers.


This times ten.
 
2012-03-15 10:48:26 AM
31? I see figures of 42, 68, etc. No one really knows.
 
2012-03-15 10:51:10 AM

imontheinternet: Bobby Jindal is pretty popular with the Tea set, brownness notwithstanding.


Well LA makes him a southerner which is good but his brownness does really take some of that appeal out for other southern states. Sad but true.

Also, after being universally panned for his weak "response to the SOTU" speech (volcano monitoring is bad? WTF?!) Jindal has rapidly fallen out of favour.

Plus he has little appeal to the born again crowd.
 
2012-03-15 10:53:00 AM
I like Ron Paul. I disagee with many of his positions and he's too batshiat insane to be an effective leader, but at least you know where he stands and isn't a complete tool like the other Republican candidates..
 
2012-03-15 10:53:12 AM

DozeNutz: Have you are fundamentally against classical liberalism? I think the whole creation of America is based on it. Ya know, the whole age of enlightenment, Bastiat, Locke, and those guys.


Actually, the cynical perspective of mankind (especially Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau) is one of the core Enlightenment philosophies that the Founding Fathers used in concocting modern Democracy. It's the ONLY political system in the world that holds this conceit and that's why it works.

The founding tenet of all modern Democracies is that man can not be trusted. At all. Our system is slovenly inefficient for a reason, and it's best that way. The better the system works, the more you should be afraid of it. You can't change the wolf, but you can always make him toothless.

Perfect systems are bad. You don't want a perfect system. A perfect system is absolute, ruthless, and tyrannical. All totalitarianisms are perfect systems. Or attempts to be.

Democracy is one of the slowest, stupidest, most ill-conceived and inefficient system ever devised by man. A system of paranoia, fear and mistrust, of checks and balances, of constantly looking over your shoulder, of keeping tabs on what the other guy is doing. Everything done by consensus/committee, bogging everything down in bureaucratic paperwork so that nothing gets done. And that's what makes it the safest and best system.

Because while other systems are set up to try to win, Democracy is the only one that tries not to lose.


This is another thing that Ron Paul and his cult get habitually wrong.
 
2012-03-15 10:53:14 AM

Serious Black: Ron Paul supporters are some of the most deluded people on the planet. They're completely convinced that he is the most popular politician in America and is going to storm to the Presidency this year with a bigger landslide than either LBJ or Reagan's second election. They would probably be better off getting committed to an insane asylum.


I work with a Paultard that is convinced that all the Republican delegates are actually RONPAUL sleeper agents just waiting to pounce on a brokered conversion to release them so they can make sure the messiah becomes the Republican nomination. He claims to have inside knowledge from the state leader that all is in place for the master plan and we will all soon know the glory of RONPAUL and the power of GOLD.
 
2012-03-15 10:53:17 AM

Zerochance: RexTalionis: I'd give real money if he and his supporters shut up.

I don't mind RON PAUL speaking. He's a politician and a public figure and he can talk until he's blue in the face, and he's at least made a good number of young people think about the idea of personal freedoms.

His supporters can eat a bag of dicks though. I absolutely cannot stand those obnoxious, disingenuous, pretentious motherfarkers.


"It's not the band I hate, it's their fans".

/Not obscure just Canadian.
 
2012-03-15 10:55:11 AM

DozeNutz: Have you are fundamentally against classical liberalism? I think the whole creation of America is based on it. Ya know, the whole age of enlightenment, Bastiat, Locke, and those guys.


While classical liberalism is interesting, the fact that depressions can occur shows their classical economics to be based on false pretenses.
 
2012-03-15 10:57:38 AM

Manute Bol: I'm no RON PAUL-ist, but I think he comes off as the most down-to-earth common sense voice of the group...


That's not saying much.
 
2012-03-15 10:57:42 AM

quatchi: "It's not the band I hate, it's their fans".

/Not obscure just Canadian.


Coax me, cajole me-hee-heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....eeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
2012-03-15 10:58:40 AM

DozeNutz: Ishkur: I post this in nearly every Ron Paul thread because I feel it's prescient:


There is a special valueset that Ron Paul advocates, and this valueset always seems to attract the most fearlessly individualistic: Libertarians, militia groups, Objectivists, 4channers and teenage miscreants -- in other words, people who are total shiat-bags and want to live in a system where they are permitted to be total shiat-bags without consequence.

They call it "freedom", of course, but truth be known there are more important things in society than freedom, which to these people has been wrapped into its own religious mythology so pure and exalted that it has stunted their personal growth as normal, able-bodied, well-adjusted people ("freedom", after all, isn't a reason to do things; it is a rationalization for doing them).

They also subscribe to the Austrian School of Economics, which is an economic system that consists entirely of ideological catchphrases, talking points and flowing rhetoric deliberately left open to interpretation, has no scientific basis or any practical application, and conflicts with obvious empirical data (Austrian school is in opposition to empiricism. Their papers use no math, in a subject that is all about math). One of the most distinguishing characteristics of most followers of the Austrian school is that they often display a gross misunderstanding of modern economics.

But probably the worst thing about Ron Paul, his followers and their socio-political ideological underpinnings is their inherent belief that everyone will behave themselves if we all just leave each other alone. This ideal -- the honor system -- has never been known to work in any open system, location or culture in the history of the world.

Any philosophy (whether its political, or moral, or economic) that doesn't start with the basic premise that people are flaming assholes is fundamentally flawed.

Have you are fundamentally against classical liberalism? I think the whole cr ...


There's nothing necessarily wrong with classical liberalism. In my mind, it simply falsely assumes that freedom means solely noninterference from the government. That's not what freedom is to me because it fails to recognize that powerful private actors can effectively force me to act in a way that I do not want to act. Being coerced into action by authority figures violates my autonomy regardless of whether that authority is the government, a private organization, or another human being. Ultimately, that's what freedom is about to me: being able to act free from coercion by anyone or anything. This view of freedom demands that government balance between wearing two hats: avoiding coercing people itself, and protecting people from coercion by other actors. It's tough, but nobody said life was easy.
 
2012-03-15 10:59:30 AM
This thread has 50% more comments than he has delegates.
 
2012-03-15 11:00:51 AM
The thing about Ron Paul is that he isn't really running for President. He can't win, and he knows it. The primary campaigns are, to him, just a way to spread his message: an expensive, but fairly effective, means of advertising.

The upshot of this (depending on your perspective) is that he doesn't have to worry about things like practical chances of winning. He already knows that they're zero, and that's not the point, so he can continue to run as long as he wants.
 
2012-03-15 11:01:11 AM

Lost Thought 00: Romney will pick Tom Ridge, who brings the swing state of PA and helps fill in Romney's foreign policy/national security void.


yyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh...NO. That's not going to happen. Ridge was over already in 2004 when he quit. You might as well say Obama is going to drop Biden and put Howard Dean on as Veep.
 
2012-03-15 11:03:16 AM
We The People Act

That right there is all I need to know about this neo-confederate to determine I want him nowhere near the Executive Branch.


He can take his 31 delegates and shove them up his ass, for all I care.
 
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