I'd give real money if he and his supporters shut up.

At this point he's simply preparing the ground for Rand.

quatchi: "We are here."

/Horton hears a Ron Paul supporter.

Rand will get on the short list for Veep in return for RON PAULs Delegates to Romney.

Rand doesn't bring anything to the ticket except more woman hatred and corporate fellating. Romney will pick Tom Ridge, who brings the swing state of PA and helps fill in Romney's foreign policy/national security void. Plus, Romney won't be short by ~50 votes. If he's short, he'll be short ~200.

I post this in nearly every Ron Paul thread because I feel it's prescient:


There is a special valueset that Ron Paul advocates, and this valueset always seems to attract the most fearlessly individualistic: Libertarians, militia groups, Objectivists, 4channers and teenage miscreants -- in other words, people who are total shiat-bags and want to live in a system where they are permitted to be total shiat-bags without consequence.

They call it "freedom", of course, but truth be known there are more important things in society than freedom, which to these people has been wrapped into its own religious mythology so pure and exalted that it has stunted their personal growth as normal, able-bodied, well-adjusted people ("freedom", after all, isn't a reason to do things; it is a rationalization for doing them).

They also subscribe to the Austrian School of Economics, which is an economic system that consists entirely of ideological catchphrases, talking points and flowing rhetoric deliberately left open to interpretation, has no scientific basis or any practical application, and conflicts with obvious empirical data (Austrian school is in opposition to empiricism. Their papers use no math, in a subject that is all about math). One of the most distinguishing characteristics of most followers of the Austrian school is that they often display a gross misunderstanding of modern economics.

But probably the worst thing about Ron Paul, his followers and their socio-political ideological underpinnings is their inherent belief that everyone will behave themselves if we all just leave each other alone. This ideal -- the honor system -- has never been known to work in any open system, location or culture in the history of the world.

Any philosophy (whether its political, or moral, or economic) that doesn't start with the basic premise that people are flaming assholes is fundamentally flawed.

quatchi: Andy Andy: quatchi: "We are here."

/Horton hears a Ron Paul supporter.

Rand will get on the short list for Veep in return for RON PAULs Delegates to Romney.

And then Rand will not be chosen.

He's just not a good national choice and even the republicans know it.

It has to be someone from the south and it can't be Rubio cos a 1.5 Mormon ticket gets no sales.

There are simply no good national choices for POTUS for the GOP what made you think there would be a good Veep choice?

Rand potentially brings in the youth vote, the libertarian vote, the Southern vote and the Teatard vote.

I defy you to find someone better to hang around Rmoney's neck in order to get the tards to play with him.

Bobby Jindal is pretty popular with the Tea set, brownness notwithstanding.

Zerochance: RexTalionis: I'd give real money if he and his supporters shut up.

I don't mind RON PAUL speaking. He's a politician and a public figure and he can talk until he's blue in the face, and he's at least made a good number of young people think about the idea of personal freedoms.

His supporters can eat a bag of dicks though. I absolutely cannot stand those obnoxious, disingenuous, pretentious motherfarkers.

This times ten.

DozeNutz: Have you are fundamentally against classical liberalism? I think the whole creation of America is based on it. Ya know, the whole age of enlightenment, Bastiat, Locke, and those guys.

Actually, the cynical perspective of mankind (especially Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau) is one of the core Enlightenment philosophies that the Founding Fathers used in concocting modern Democracy. It's the ONLY political system in the world that holds this conceit and that's why it works.

The founding tenet of all modern Democracies is that man can not be trusted. At all. Our system is slovenly inefficient for a reason, and it's best that way. The better the system works, the more you should be afraid of it. You can't change the wolf, but you can always make him toothless.

Perfect systems are bad. You don't want a perfect system. A perfect system is absolute, ruthless, and tyrannical. All totalitarianisms are perfect systems. Or attempts to be.

Democracy is one of the slowest, stupidest, most ill-conceived and inefficient system ever devised by man. A system of paranoia, fear and mistrust, of checks and balances, of constantly looking over your shoulder, of keeping tabs on what the other guy is doing. Everything done by consensus/committee, bogging everything down in bureaucratic paperwork so that nothing gets done. And that's what makes it the safest and best system.

Because while other systems are set up to try to win, Democracy is the only one that tries not to lose.


This is another thing that Ron Paul and his cult get habitually wrong.

We The People Act

That right there is all I need to know about this neo-confederate to determine I want him nowhere near the Executive Branch.


He can take his 31 delegates and shove them up his ass, for all I care.