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(Huffington Post)   Brain cancer patient thrown out of hospital because she used her medication. News: It was medical marijuana. Fark: Hospital has a no-smoking policy   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-03-14 11:19:54 PM  
This is the compassion we can all expect to receive when we get old.
 
2012-03-14 11:27:40 PM  
Medicare should've paid for a vaporizer.

Oh, God, would I love to see the uproar in Congress over that.
 
2012-03-14 11:50:59 PM  
I came in here to suggest that with her condition, edibles might not deliver the drug soon enough for her, so

goatleggedfellow: Medicare should've paid for a vaporizer.


this.
 
2012-03-15 12:19:23 AM  
marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)
 
2012-03-15 12:27:18 AM  
She was using a vaporizer, so technically she wasn't "smoking".

However, even if she's in a private room, there's no way that they can keep the vapor fumes away from any hospital staff involved with her direct care, whether it's doctors or nurses, or the people who clean her room.

I fully understand & sympathize with what she's going through, but frankly she'd probably have less problems if she was in a hospice instead of a hospital setting.
 
2012-03-15 01:02:23 AM  

goatleggedfellow: Medicare should've paid for a vaporizer.

Oh, God, would I love to see the uproar in Congress over that.


I support this.
 
2012-03-15 01:03:33 AM  
I can't wait until this war on drugs BS ends and the people who support it are taken out and shot.
 
2012-03-15 01:12:11 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: She was using a vaporizer

Raich was at UCSF for tests and was using marijuana via a vaporizer


I hate you for making me read things. It's so much easier when I just assume, LIKE ALWAYS!

---

In a statement, UCSF said that their hospital is "a smoke-free campus and this includes medical marijuana."

"Any particles from vapor and odor could have an impact on other patients and hospital employees," the statement read. "Under federal and state law, a physician is at legal risk related to any activity that could be construed as prescribing medical marijuana to a patient."


Smoke vs. Vapor. Could be an interesting legal challenge.

Bold text: Any time a physician interacts with a patient he is at legal risk. What a broad definition. I'd love to see the case history of suits brought against doctors/hospitals for allowing the use of medical marijuana. No, not the "doctors" that sell prescriptions. Actual doctors at a hospital treating patients. Sounds like a manufactured fear. You have to actually show that the threat of a lawsuit or prosecution exists, you can't just make sh*t up.

Obviously, I am not a lawyer and look forward to those who are weighing in.
 
2012-03-15 01:20:01 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Obviously, I am not a lawyer and look forward to those who are weighing in.


I look forward to having sex, usually.
 
2012-03-15 01:23:49 AM  

doglover: I look forward to having sex, usually.


Well, that's the first 3 minutes. Then what?
 
2012-03-15 01:26:11 AM  

NewportBarGuy: doglover: I look forward to having sex, usually.

Well, that's the first 3 minutes. Then what?


The spankings.
 
2012-03-15 01:27:12 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I hate you for making me read things. It's so much easier when I just assume, LIKE ALWAYS!


You'll get over it. :-D
 
2012-03-15 01:38:15 AM  

NewportBarGuy: doglover: I look forward to having sex, usually.

Well, that's the first 3 minutes. Then what?


3? If I could finish in 3 minutes I'd change my fark handle to LongHaulLarry
 
2012-03-15 01:47:58 AM  

NewportBarGuy: the "doctors" that sell prescriptions.


A bit off topic, but is that how you consider it? Because the more I think about it, I like that. IIRC you have worked in a pharmacy? Do you consider doctors pitchmen for big pharma? I mean, I know they get tons of sample and used to get pens and t-shirts, but is that about all they are anymore? The car salesmen of pharmaceuticals?
 
2012-03-15 02:10:46 AM  
I aint gonna debate medical marijuana, that is not the point.

A lot of hospitals have no smoking policies due to various laws. The hospital could get in trouble for not adhering to said laws.
 
2012-03-15 02:22:23 AM  

cman: I aint gonna debate medical marijuana, that is not the point.

A lot of hospitals have no smoking policies due to various laws. The hospital could get in trouble for not adhering to said laws.


Oh, and before you go all "She was inhaling through vapors" on my ass, remember, that is how an ecigarette works, and many states treat ecigarettes the same way as they do regular cigarettes.
 
2012-03-15 02:37:44 AM  
Inhaling vapor (of various sorts) is a valid medical procedure. Vapor is not smoke. The hospital does not allow vapor inhaling procedures for throat / nasal / lung ailments?

/marijuana vapor is not pungent like marijuana smoke
 
2012-03-15 03:52:43 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.


Neither are antibiotics.

See how I can make an equally convincing argument?

I'm guessing you asked no one to respond because you know you're an idiot?
 
2012-03-15 03:55:31 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: However, even if she's in a private room, there's no way that they can keep the vapor fumes away from any hospital staff involved with her direct care, whether it's doctors or nurses, or the people who clean her room.


Does that mean we can't treat tuberculosis in hospitals?
 
2012-03-15 04:18:31 AM  
Couldn't she use a tincture instead? (not sure how fast it works)
 
2012-03-15 04:53:40 AM  

ShawnDoc: Couldn't she use a tincture instead? (not sure how fast it works)


That's what I was wondering. I'll admit I don't know jack about vaporizers but tincture should be OK as long as she doesn't tell them what it is.
 
2012-03-15 05:04:55 AM  

impaler: Bathia_Mapes: However, even if she's in a private room, there's no way that they can keep the vapor fumes away from any hospital staff involved with her direct care, whether it's doctors or nurses, or the people who clean her room.

Does that mean we can't treat tuberculosis in hospitals?


Nope. Away with you, beggars. Only gout is treated here.
 
2012-03-15 05:45:34 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)


lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-03-15 05:47:37 AM  
i471.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-15 05:55:21 AM  
We really need to educate the folks on what a vaporizer is and how they aren't dangerous for anyone.
 
2012-03-15 05:57:48 AM  

Kazan: (don't bother replying to me)


self entitled ?

fark you
 
2012-03-15 05:58:42 AM  
Yes hospitals treat resp pts eith vapor all the time, it's called a nebulizer and for the duration of the treatment it continuously emits a vapor weather you are sucking it or not. Does a mj vap do that? Or just when you exhale? Vapor ain't smoke. This mos def IS a med mj issue
/for the abbvs
// I support more slashies
 
2012-03-15 06:02:48 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-03-15 06:03:31 AM  
what a pioneer, fighting for the right of people to smoke in hospitals!
 
2012-03-15 06:03:43 AM  
You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.
 
Skr
2012-03-15 06:06:46 AM  
No-flame vapes should be allowed in the same vein as inhalers and nebulizers.
There should be no real issue against things like the "magic flight launch box." The scent of the vaped material is barely detectable and the blue vapor upon exhale is minimal (or non-existant depending on your skill.)

The portable vaporizers that need flame such as Vapor Genies take a bit of skill, and poor skill can lead to combustion and nasty smoke.


/It will great to get the demonization of cannabis into (and only in) the past.
//ABV would make for good brownies/butter for the sick folk as well.
 
2012-03-15 06:07:04 AM  

Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


They do, it's called Glycerine Tincture.
 
2012-03-15 06:08:31 AM  

Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.
 
2012-03-15 06:08:57 AM  
I love weed and I enjoy my Volcano vaporizer, but you don't know a thing about a weed vaporizer if you think it doesn't create smoke. Once you crank the temperature dial more than 1/3, you can clearly see smoke in the bag. I side with the hospital on this one.
 
2012-03-15 06:09:29 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


You are correct, but don't expect to be popular with the druggie lobby on Fark.
 
2012-03-15 06:10:45 AM  
 
2012-03-15 06:12:25 AM  

cman: cman: I aint gonna debate medical marijuana, that is not the point.

A lot of hospitals have no smoking policies due to various laws. The hospital could get in trouble for not adhering to said laws.

Oh, and before you go all "She was inhaling through vapors" on my ass, remember, that is how an ecigarette works, and many states treat ecigarettes the same way as they do regular cigarettes.


That is not a positive argument. It makes no more sense to treat vapor the same as smoke than it does to treat vitamin C pills the same as orange juice. There's a reason that "smoke" and "vapor" are different words. It's because they have difference meanings.
 
2012-03-15 06:15:35 AM  

Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


They do. It's called Marinol. It's synthetic THC which comes in pill form and it doesn't work as well as the natural stuff does. The theory I subscribe to says that one of the other cannabinoids besides THC is responsible for the stomach-settling and hunger-enhancing effects, and only THC is present in the synthetic version.
 
2012-03-15 06:15:37 AM  
I can see why the hospital might have a problem with this. Once the smoke or vapor is in the air, it's rather hard to control. She should find another way to take her medicine.
 
2012-03-15 06:18:51 AM  

Atomic Spunk: I love weed and I enjoy my Volcano vaporizer, but you don't know a thing about a weed vaporizer if you think it doesn't create smoke. Once you crank the temperature dial more than 1/3, you can clearly see smoke in the bag. I side with the hospital on this one.


If your vaporizer is producing smoke, you're doing something very wrong. That substance you're describing is "smoke" like fog is "smoke". By which I mean it isn't.
 
2012-03-15 06:24:28 AM  
kicking a cancer patient out of the hospital? that's nice. why didnt they just go outside the back door? who lights up anything IN a hospital, that;s just asking for trouble...

/obviously
 
2012-03-15 06:25:14 AM  

Dadoody: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 330x291]


Power tripping.

Once you get to that age when you cannot "get it up", pushing the little guy around is how you get your 'jollies'.
 
2012-03-15 06:27:46 AM  

Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


My grandmother used to tell me not to masturbate it will make you go blind.
Also to not smoke pot, its bad for you.

She is blind (glaucoma) and ingests THC pills.

Ingesting takes AGES to take effect, smoking is almost instant. Inhaling vapour even more so.

You cant overdose smoking, you can ingesting.
 
2012-03-15 06:28:12 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)


x
 
2012-03-15 06:32:19 AM  

Ow My Balls: [i471.photobucket.com image 428x326]


We don't need to see your buttplug collection.
 
2012-03-15 06:35:07 AM  

untaken_name: Atomic Spunk: I love weed and I enjoy my Volcano vaporizer, but you don't know a thing about a weed vaporizer if you think it doesn't create smoke. Once you crank the temperature dial more than 1/3, you can clearly see smoke in the bag. I side with the hospital on this one.

If your vaporizer is producing smoke, you're doing something very wrong. That substance you're describing is "smoke" like fog is "smoke". By which I mean it isn't.


It's smoke. No, I'm not doing anything wrong. Yes, it produces vapor but it's also producing smoke. Super-heated air is pushed through dried organic material and the byproduct is nothing but fog and vapor? Don't be a dick, just call it what it is.
 
2012-03-15 06:37:32 AM  

Descartes: Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.

You are correct, but don't expect to be popular with the druggie lobby on Fark.



Why is it not medicine?
If you have brain cancer, and nothing else will -

-Take the pain away
-Stimulate your appetite
-Reduce/Remove nausea

Why is it not medicine? Would you care to dismount that very tall (and quite stoned) equine and share with the rest of us?

IIRC Marinol doesn't seem to work as well, and another attempt should be made at a pharmaceutical preparation (more than just THC) and delivery system (inhaler perhaps?), but for now it seems not a lot else works for some folks.
 
2012-03-15 06:39:08 AM  
Atomic Spunk, what untaken_name says. You are doing it wrong. Your vaporizer is running too hot if you are singing the bud.
 
2012-03-15 06:40:49 AM  
Ow My Balls:
i471.photobucket.com

You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?
 
2012-03-15 06:41:53 AM  
And by singing, I mean singeing.
 
2012-03-15 06:43:21 AM  

MrBallou: Ow My Balls:
[i471.photobucket.com image 428x326]

You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?


Ok, I have no clue on this pic either. Are these suppositories?
 
2012-03-15 06:43:40 AM  

Sgygus: Atomic Spunk, what untaken_name says. You are doing it wrong. Your vaporizer is running too hot if you are singing the bud.


I think it's more than that. I think the vape is working normally, but he just can't believe it's not smoke.

Evidence: " It's smoke. No, I'm not doing anything wrong. Yes, it produces vapor but it's also producing smoke. Super-heated air is pushed through dried organic material and the byproduct is nothing but fog and vapor? Don't be a dick, just call it what it is. "
 
2012-03-15 06:43:54 AM  
People do all kinds of things, MrBallou, when they are really ill.
 
2012-03-15 06:47:18 AM  
lewismarktwo, Atomic Spunk could determine if he is over-cooking. Look at the residue. Is it brown leaves (produced vapor) or ashes (produced smoke)?
 
2012-03-15 06:49:20 AM  

AbbeySomeone: MrBallou: Ow My Balls:
[i471.photobucket.com image 428x326]

You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?

Ok, I have no clue on this pic either. Are these suppositories?


Yes, they look like suppositories. Suppositories are a very effective delivery system for lots of drugs because things are absorbed into the bloodstream very quickly.

My question is do people make these at home to use recreationally?
 
2012-03-15 06:49:41 AM  

Sgygus: Atomic Spunk, what untaken_name says. You are doing it wrong. Your vaporizer is running too hot if you are singing the bud.


If you see something in the bag, it's smoke. The only people who are incapable of admitting that are weed smokers who don't like to think of themselves as smokers.
 
2012-03-15 06:50:49 AM  
Pearls of wisdom from the federal government:

Marijuana is not medicine

Ketchup is a vegetable

"Pink Slime" is meat
 
2012-03-15 06:51:32 AM  

MrBallou: My question is do people make these at home to use recreationally?


Your friends look at you a little strangely if you take a hit of suppository and pass it to your neighbour.
 
2012-03-15 06:52:07 AM  
Explain this to me, Atomic Spunk, how is it that I exhale no smoke?
 
Skr
2012-03-15 06:52:59 AM  
media.treehugger.com
Cool down that coffee boys, it's smoking!
 
PJ-
2012-03-15 06:53:11 AM  

BurnShrike: I can see why the hospital might have a problem with this. Once the smoke or vapor is in the air, it's rather hard to control. She should find another way to take her medicine.


It's pretty sad how little you understand ventilation systems for a hospital. Any air pushed into a room doesn't come from another room, it comes from the supply duct that comes directly from an air handling unit. Any air that comes from there not only is filtered, but also mixed with fresh air.

The only real people that might be affected by her lighting up in a private room are the people who are in the same room as her. But, seeing on how there isn't actually any proof that second hand smoke kills, there isn't actually any proof that those doctors and nurses are actually at risk.
 
2012-03-15 06:54:30 AM  
MrBallou: My question is do people make these at home to use recreationally?

Only if they have a weird fetish. Orally works fine if your throat and stomach work fine.
 
2012-03-15 06:54:53 AM  

MrBallou: AbbeySomeone: MrBallou: Ow My Balls:
[i471.photobucket.com image 428x326]

You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?

Ok, I have no clue on this pic either. Are these suppositories?

Yes, they look like suppositories. Suppositories are a very effective delivery system for lots of drugs because things are absorbed into the bloodstream very quickly.

My question is do people make these at home to use recreationally?


Yes, there are myriad ways to ingest cannabis. Most people using suppositories are only doing it because they have to, I would imagine. There are tons of other stealthy ways to get high on the wackybacky that don't involve any butt-touchin. Namely oral tinctures and sprays.
 
2012-03-15 06:55:15 AM  
time to stop all medical support of everyone...

7 billion people on this planet, most of them overweight and in poor health, if natural selection were to be in operation, alot of them would die and make the remaining population stronger.

so start banning all drugs and doctors, etc. then congress et al, might take notice, as most of them are used to seeing doctors to keep their bloated asses alive... perhaps the turnover would freshen up politics?

/sacasm
 
2012-03-15 06:58:43 AM  

lewismarktwo: MrBallou: AbbeySomeone: MrBallou: Ow My Balls:
[i471.photobucket.com image 428x326]

You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?

Ok, I have no clue on this pic either. Are these suppositories?

Yes, they look like suppositories. Suppositories are a very effective delivery system for lots of drugs because things are absorbed into the bloodstream very quickly.

My question is do people make these at home to use recreationally?

Yes, there are myriad ways to ingest cannabis. Most people using suppositories are only doing it because they have to, I would imagine. There are tons of other stealthy ways to get high on the wackybacky that don't involve any butt-touchin. Namely oral tinctures and sprays.


I was afraid it might be the latest party craze. My imagination sometimes takes me places it shouldn't go.
 
2012-03-15 07:02:21 AM  

lewismarktwo: MrBallou: AbbeySomeone: MrBallou: Ow My Balls:
[i471.photobucket.com image 428x326]

You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?

Ok, I have no clue on this pic either. Are these suppositories?

Yes, they look like suppositories. Suppositories are a very effective delivery system for lots of drugs because things are absorbed into the bloodstream very quickly.

My question is do people make these at home to use recreationally?

Yes, there are myriad ways to ingest cannabis. Most people using suppositories are only doing it because they have to, I would imagine. There are tons of other stealthy ways to get high on the wackybacky that don't involve any butt-touchin. Namely oral tinctures and sprays.


Is there a marijuana product similar to dip? (dip as in Skoal, Copenhagen, etc.)
 
2012-03-15 07:06:00 AM  
give me doughnuts Is there a marijuana product similar to dip?

In Colorado there is. I don't know how far our moderator wants to push this, so I won't name a product.
 
PJ-
2012-03-15 07:06:42 AM  

give me doughnuts: lewismarktwo: MrBallou: AbbeySomeone: MrBallou: Ow My Balls:
[i471.photobucket.com image 428x326]

You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?

Ok, I have no clue on this pic either. Are these suppositories?

Yes, they look like suppositories. Suppositories are a very effective delivery system for lots of drugs because things are absorbed into the bloodstream very quickly.

My question is do people make these at home to use recreationally?

Yes, there are myriad ways to ingest cannabis. Most people using suppositories are only doing it because they have to, I would imagine. There are tons of other stealthy ways to get high on the wackybacky that don't involve any butt-touchin. Namely oral tinctures and sprays.

Is there a marijuana product similar to dip? (dip as in Skoal, Copenhagen, etc.)


I had a buddy that made caramel chews infused with weed. They wouldn't blitz you right out, but they would give you a pretty kick ass body buzz.
 
2012-03-15 07:09:18 AM  

catinnahat: Pearls of wisdom from the federal government:

Marijuana is not medicine

Ketchup is a vegetable

"Pink Slime" is meat


Pepper spray is a food.
 
2012-03-15 07:09:50 AM  
Why isn't she in hospice?
 
2012-03-15 07:11:36 AM  

Sgygus: lewismarktwo, Atomic Spunk could determine if he is over-cooking. Look at the residue. Is it brown leaves (produced vapor) or ashes (produced smoke)?


Brown leaves. I'm doing it right. Even on its highest setting, the Volcano has never produced ash. Here's one definition of smoke I found:

A visible suspension of carbon or other particles in air, typically one emitted from a burning substance
- bonfire smoke

Typically is not exclusively. It's smoke.
 
2012-03-15 07:12:26 AM  
Angel Raich is busy dying
1.bp.blogspot.com
/does not approve
 
2012-03-15 07:13:24 AM  
Marijuana as medicine is a new concept to conventional medicine, and it is problematic. Protocols haven't really been evolved yet.
But you really can't have anybody smoking anything in a hospital, if for no other reason that bottled oxygen is ubiquitous in hospitals, and you can't have smoking and bottled oxygen in the same places.
Somebody needs to just work on tthe problem and fix it - no need for an ideological debate here.
 
2012-03-15 07:15:32 AM  

jso2897: Marijuana as medicine is a new concept to conventional medicine, and it is problematic. Protocols haven't really been evolved yet.
But you really can't have anybody smoking anything in a hospital, if for no other reason that bottled oxygen is ubiquitous in hospitals, and you can't have smoking and bottled oxygen in the same places.
Somebody needs to just work on tthe problem and fix it - no need for an ideological debate here.


She was using a vaporizer. There's no open flame that could ignite oxygen.
 
2012-03-15 07:16:15 AM  

Sgygus: Explain this to me, Atomic Spunk, how is it that I exhale no smoke?


You gotta take bigger hits! But seriously, I don't know. I see smoke in the bag, I take a hit and I blow smoke out. The first couple hits when it's on the lower settings don't make any smoke, but once the dial goes past the 10 o'clock position, it creates smoke.
 
2012-03-15 07:16:42 AM  
If he was only there for tests and needs to smoke every two hours, was there any reason he couldn't smoke before/after?

If the test took more than two hours couldn't he have eaten some brownies before/during?
 
2012-03-15 07:17:12 AM  
Atomic Spunk, I have to say I don't use the same vaporizer that you do. Mine produces very little to no smoke on exhale.
 
2012-03-15 07:26:29 AM  
Los pacientes de cáncer del cerebro expulsado del hospital porque ella utilizó su medicamento.
Noticias: Fue la marihuana medicinal.
Fark: Hospital cuenta con una política de no fumar


TRANSLATION:


Brain cancer patient thrown out of hospital because she used her medication.
News: It was medical cannabis.
Fark: Hospital has a no-smoking policy

/we're not speaking Spanish
//so stop speaking one Spanish word in an English sentence
 
2012-03-15 07:27:07 AM  
I wondered if the anti-smokers would ever get around to harping on marijuana.

Guess marijuana users are now...

EVIL, FILTHY SMOKERS!
i224.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-15 07:27:31 AM  
This war on marijuana is just silly. Why must our government waste it's time and money on such a frivolous thing when there is so much more in life to worry about? It just makes no sense that people would care about it.
 
2012-03-15 07:29:18 AM  
My wife made shrimp scampi with her budder last night.

/She was so baked.
 
2012-03-15 07:35:19 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)


Wow!
Reverse-psychology trolling.

I'm impressed.

:D
 
2012-03-15 07:38:21 AM  
If you can't smoke cigarettes at a hospital then you can't smoke weed at a hospital. Although they should have had someone escort her outside to make sure she got back inside just fine considering it's a prescription. That doesn't mean you can light up wherever you want though.
 
2012-03-15 07:38:54 AM  

Atomic Spunk: untaken_name: Atomic Spunk: I love weed and I enjoy my Volcano vaporizer, but you don't know a thing about a weed vaporizer if you think it doesn't create smoke. Once you crank the temperature dial more than 1/3, you can clearly see smoke in the bag. I side with the hospital on this one.

If your vaporizer is producing smoke, you're doing something very wrong. That substance you're describing is "smoke" like fog is "smoke". By which I mean it isn't.

It's smoke. No, I'm not doing anything wrong. Yes, it produces vapor but it's also producing smoke. Super-heated air is pushed through dried organic material and the byproduct is nothing but fog and vapor? Don't be a dick, just call it what it is.


I *am*. If you're turning it up high enough to actually cause combustion, you're not using a vaporizer anymore, you're using a pipe. The whole point of vaporization is that you do not use enough heat to cause combustion. You are trying to vaporize the THC without burning the plant material. Without combustion, you have no smoke. I will repeat this one more time. Vapor is not smoke. If your vaporizer is actually producing actual smoke, either it is broken or you are not using it properly. Similarly, when you exhale on a cold day, it isn't really smoke that you're breathing out. It just LOOKS like smoke.
 
2012-03-15 07:50:50 AM  
Oh wow, a pothead forgot something (the rules)...big farking deal. Looks like she learned her lesson.
 
2012-03-15 07:53:06 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)


I can see why you would decide to post something like this in an open forum...
 
2012-03-15 07:59:27 AM  

bullsballs: time to stop all medical support of everyone...

7 billion people on this planet, most of them overweight and in poor health, if natural selection were to be in operation, alot of them would die and make the remaining population stronger.

so start banning all drugs and doctors, etc. then congress et al, might take notice, as most of them are used to seeing doctors to keep their bloated asses alive... perhaps the turnover would freshen up politics?

/sacasm


Actually you have a point. Why keep people alive to do nothing but suck off society but contribute absolutely nothing? I always thought it was survival of the fittest.

casual pot smokers and people who use weed for medical reasons are the least of this country's problems.

/at least here in the USA.drfa
 
2012-03-15 08:01:28 AM  
This I do know. People that are not *ssholes do not get thrown out for petty infractions. This person was undoubtedly a dushe-bag. Just sayin' The article always leaves this out because they do not want lawsuits from these jurx. Too lazy to spell 2day.
 
2012-03-15 08:10:33 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.


You only think you're liberal. You're not a real one.
 
2012-03-15 08:14:41 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.


Yeah? And what is?

/farking moron.
 
2012-03-15 08:15:24 AM  
Referring to the Supreme Court as the "Rehnquist Court" belies no small amount of bias in that article. That aside, If the hospital accepts federal funds in any way then they are smart to follow federal policy. Smoking pot is not going to prolong your life. It may make it seem a bit more tolerable and mellow but not actually longer.
 
2012-03-15 08:17:33 AM  
Meh, no smoking means no smoking. Some severe asthmatic might get a whiff of that and have problems. Even with cancer, it's not always about you.
 
2012-03-15 08:18:30 AM  

lewismarktwo: Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.


I was just curious, as the last time I was in a hospital, I was given a nicotine patch because I am a cigarette smoker. Seems to me the ingredients in a joint could also be put in a patch as well, and would also allow dosage control.

I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.
 
2012-03-15 08:20:54 AM  
Smoking pot still leads to lung cancer. Fumes from either vaporized pot or smoking it still affects others. The hospital receives federal funds. Really, this only makes sense.
 
2012-03-15 08:22:27 AM  

Umfufu:
I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.


That's why I took my friend out to the parking lot to get baked up.
I did not partake.
He survived.
I also made them put a shunt in his arm.
Sometimes, the ignorance of the medical community makes me ill.
 
2012-03-15 08:24:41 AM  

pkellmey: Smoking pot still leads to lung cancer. Fumes from either vaporized pot or smoking it still affects others. The hospital receives federal funds. Really, this only makes sense.


*Citation needed
 
2012-03-15 08:25:36 AM  
I've lived in California, San Francisco to be exact, for about 7 years. This town has practically no laws/problems with pot. And frankly, that aspect of San Francisco is completely fine. People smoke, it doesn't really hurt anyone, cause anyone to fly into a rage and eat babies, etc. We do have problems with the way some things are done in San Francisco, but our non-enforcement of weed laws certainly isn't one of them.

Why, besides problems caused by marijuana being illegal, do people on Fark feel so strongly that it should be illegal? Real, rational, reason please.
 
2012-03-15 08:25:46 AM  
You guys need to lighten up on Atomic Spunk since he's obviously correct. I mean, why do you think they call these the Great Smokey Mountains?
www.abovebeyondcabin.com
Looks like smoke to me.
 
2012-03-15 08:26:18 AM  

Whodat: Smoking pot is not going to prolong your life. It may make it seem a bit more tolerable and mellow but not actually longer


The same could be said of pain meds.

And MJ isn't just for pain, it increases appetite and decreases nausea.


/never touched it in my life.
 
2012-03-15 08:27:25 AM  

TimonC346: Why, besides problems caused by marijuana being illegal, do people on Fark feel so strongly that it should be illegal? Real, rational, reason please.


One word: ignorance.
 
2012-03-15 08:28:46 AM  

Savage Belief: pkellmey: Smoking pot still leads to lung cancer. Fumes from either vaporized pot or smoking it still affects others. The hospital receives federal funds. Really, this only makes sense.

*Citation needed


Make Sense: to be reasonable or comprehensible. (dictionary.reference.com)
 
2012-03-15 08:29:40 AM  
It's not fair that people who smoke pot should have to obey the law.
 
2012-03-15 08:32:05 AM  

liam76: Whodat: Smoking pot is not going to prolong your life. It may make it seem a bit more tolerable and mellow but not actually longer

The same could be said of pain meds.

And MJ isn't just for pain, it increases appetite and decreases nausea.


/never touched it in my life.


Also, depending on the strain, it's good for a host of neurological disorders, anxiety, stress, lack of energy, depression and a few other things i can't think of without more coffee.

/Don't use it. It makes me puke kittens.
 
2012-03-15 08:34:52 AM  

PJ-: The only real people that might be affected by her lighting up in a private room are the people who are in the same room as her. But, seeing on how there isn't actually any proof that second hand smoke kills, there isn't actually any proof that those doctors and nurses are actually at risk.


Not that it stopped everyone from banning cigarette smoking.
 
2012-03-15 08:37:23 AM  

MDGeist: This war on marijuana is just silly.


The issue here isn't the war on marijuana. It's the war on smoking.
 
PJ-
2012-03-15 08:39:15 AM  

pkellmey: Savage Belief: pkellmey: Smoking pot still leads to lung cancer. Fumes from either vaporized pot or smoking it still affects others. The hospital receives federal funds. Really, this only makes sense.

*Citation needed

Make Sense: to be reasonable or comprehensible. (dictionary.reference.com)


That's one hell of a citation there.

Make sense: to be reasonable or comprehensible. So why can't you be reasonable and provide your citation that proves that there is a direct connection with smoking pot and lung cancer. A lot research studies are actually tainted because there are people out there that mix their weed with tobacco for a smoother burn.
 
2012-03-15 08:41:04 AM  

pkellmey: Savage Belief: pkellmey: Smoking pot still leads to lung cancer. Fumes from either vaporized pot or smoking it still affects others. The hospital receives federal funds. Really, this only makes sense.

*Citation needed

Make Sense: to be reasonable or comprehensible. (dictionary.reference.com)


Douchebag; adj; Description of a person that is willfully ignorant and avoids confrontation by deflecting direct questions. See: pkellmey
 
2012-03-15 08:42:43 AM  

urban.derelict: Los pacientes de cáncer del cerebro expulsado del hospital porque ella utilizó su medicamento.
Noticias: Fue la marihuana medicinal.
Fark: Hospital cuenta con una política de no fumar

TRANSLATION:
Brain cancer patient thrown out of hospital because she used her medication.
News: It was medical cannabis.
Fark: Hospital has a no-smoking policy

/we're not speaking Spanish
//so stop speaking one Spanish word in an English sentence


Stop speaking one Latin word in an English sentence.

And go get me a taco.

/heh heh. Tacos rule!
 
2012-03-15 08:47:24 AM  
I have a question about vaporizers, for someone who is familiar with them: is there any THC leftover in the air you exhale? If there is, that could be breathed in by those who are in the room with her while she is using it. And if that is the case, how much exposure to secondhand exhaled vapor would you need before you could take a drug test and have it turn out positive for THC?

The reason I ask is that if I were a doctor, nurse, or other staff person who had to work in that room with her, I would not want to risk failing a random drug test and lose my job. Would that be possible?
 
2012-03-15 08:48:18 AM  

Whodat: Referring to the Supreme Court as the "Rehnquist Court" belies no small amount of bias in that article. That aside, If the hospital accepts federal funds in any way then they are smart to follow federal policy. Smoking pot is not going to prolong your life. It may make it seem a bit more tolerable and mellow but not actually longer.


Two things:

1) The Supreme Court is often referred to by who was Chief Justice at the time a decision was rendered.
2) Pain-killing drugs do not prolong life either. Should we stop administering them?
 
2012-03-15 08:52:43 AM  
Not to mention pain killing drugs, like opiates, cause horrible damage you your system and could actually shorten your life.

Ask any pain specialist.
 
2012-03-15 09:01:48 AM  
No smoking means no smoking. Period. Doesn't matter for what reason you are smoking.

All our hospitals are "Smoke-Free Campuses", but still have an area designated for smokers. Those patients are wheeled out in a wheelchair to enjoy their smoke and then wheeled back in. I've seen patients go out a couple times an hour, so I really can't see why once every two hours would be a big deal. If this hospital doesn't have something like that (though they should), then get transferred somewhere that does.

See the thing is if you are a heavy alcoholic or smoker and then are involved in an accident, the hospital staff does not want your body trying to recover from trauma and go through withdrawls at the same time, so they usually accommodate somehow. My friend works at a hospital pharmacy and her first job when she started was to run to the liquor store for some whiskey because they were running low. Since then she has filled "prescriptions" for patients such as "One shot of whiskey, once every two hours".

So yeah, if you light up in your hospital room expect to get yelled at for it. Before you decided it is "just okay" to do so, ask what accommodations they make for smokers and then just follow those rules. If the hospital still throws a fit, then find a new care facility.

My problem with hospitals is not usually trying to get meds, but that they over medicate all the time. I was just in the ER the other day for severe abdominal pain with which they gave me morphine. That helped with the pain tremendously, but a couple hours later it started creeping back, so they gave me another shot of morphine (into the drip line). About five minutes later the nurse comes back and asks how I am. I say I'm fine, the pain is at about a 2 or 3 so I can manage, but she doesn't acknowledge I say I'm fine and just proceeds to give me more morphine to take the edge off which made me loopy and slightly pissed off because I didn't need the extra shot. After a few minutes though I was like "Hey, morphine buzz!"
 
2012-03-15 09:01:58 AM  
Dumbass, they have edibles.
 
2012-03-15 09:08:05 AM  
You can't smoke in the hospital, smoke of any kind could harm other patients that otherwise aren't terminal, the needs of the many out way the needs of the few, so get over yourself.

Alternatives:

- They are other ways of getting cannabis into your system.
- Go outside (article was vague as to why this wasn't an option, patient could be wheeled out if they can't walk or whatever)
- Hospitals have isolation rooms with negative pressure inside, which means air flows into the room and vented outside the hospital after going though several filters so the air in the room will never mix with the air in the rest of the hospital. Stick the patient in this room, or better yet convert some of the existing cancer rooms into negative pressure rooms so they can light up or use a vaporizer there.
- Hospice, your dying, stay home, better to die at home watching reruns of Family Fued then in a hospital.
 
2012-03-15 09:09:51 AM  
Oh boy, the little druggies got their panties in a bunch again.

There are several reasons for this

1) She could be giving the other patients inhalation of the shiat . Herbal and chemo do not mix. You can take one or the other, they will interfere with each other. When my mother went through chemo, she had to report any herbal medicine she was taking.

2) Oxygen tanks motherfarkers. They explode

3)If she's terminal, move to a hospice or go home and smoke all you want.
 
PJ-
2012-03-15 09:15:06 AM  

dennysgod: You can't smoke in the hospital, smoke of any kind could harm other patients that otherwise aren't terminal, the needs of the many out way the needs of the few, so get over yourself.

Alternatives:

- They are other ways of getting cannabis into your system.
- Go outside (article was vague as to why this wasn't an option, patient could be wheeled out if they can't walk or whatever)
- Hospitals have isolation rooms with negative pressure inside, which means air flows into the room and vented outside the hospital after going though several filters so the air in the room will never mix with the air in the rest of the hospital. Stick the patient in this room, or better yet convert some of the existing cancer rooms into negative pressure rooms so they can light up or use a vaporizer there.
- Hospice, your dying, stay home, better to die at home watching reruns of Family Fued then in a hospital.


From what I have seen, hospitals are slowly going the way of 'no smoking anywhere on hospital property. I'm sure you can imagine with some bigger hospitals, that going outside to smoke isn't exactly an option for someone who is prone to seizures.

In all honesty though, her lighting up inside the hospital was a stupid move. But from what I know, I would rather get in shiat for trying to light up in a hospital rather than have a seizure outside in a world where people are too afraid to help out a fellow human out of fear of being sued.
 
2012-03-15 09:21:15 AM  
""Any particles from vapor and odor could have an impact on other patients and hospital employees," the statement read. "Under federal and state law, a physician is at legal risk related to any activity that could be construed as prescribing medical marijuana to a patient."

The hospitals arms are tied. Maybe her case will help bring us to a day when the hospitals have special wings or rooms for medical marijuana use.

"It's worth mentioning that Raich is currently involved in yet another Supreme Court case, though not one you might expect. Raich filed an amicus brief in support of the lawsuit filed by the state of Florida which seeks to overturn Obamacare. Oral arguments in that case, Florida v. United States Department of Health and Human Services, are scheduled to begin later this month."

This is what is really scary to patients like Raich as she and others see the writing on the wall of more rights being striped in the form of medical care rationing.
 
2012-03-15 09:21:28 AM  

BurnShrike: jso2897: Marijuana as medicine is a new concept to conventional medicine, and it is problematic. Protocols haven't really been evolved yet.
But you really can't have anybody smoking anything in a hospital, if for no other reason that bottled oxygen is ubiquitous in hospitals, and you can't have smoking and bottled oxygen in the same places.
Somebody needs to just work on tthe problem and fix it - no need for an ideological debate here.

She was using a vaporizer. There's no open flame that could ignite oxygen.


Maybe not. But there is no protocol in place for using such devices, and their safety around oxygen has not been tested.
It's no big deal - it's just a functional problem that needs to be solved.
Whether it will be, in today's atmosphere of confrontation at all costs, is debatable. People seem to care more about being right and showing how stupid people who disagree with them are than they do about solving problems.
It's easier to pretend that all problems have simple solutions, and that the "Bad People" are refusing to implement them.
 
2012-03-15 09:24:43 AM  

jso2897: you can't have smoking and bottled oxygen in the same places


I came here to say this
 
2012-03-15 09:29:35 AM  

jso2897: People seem to care more about being right and showing how stupid people who disagree with them are than they do about solving problems.
It's easier to pretend that all problems have simple solutions, and that the "Bad People" are refusing to implement them.


People seem to care more about being right and showing how stupid people who disagree with them are than they do about solving problems.
It's easier to pretend that all problems have simple solutions, and that the "Bad People" are refusing to implement them.


THIS!
 
2012-03-15 09:36:12 AM  
Albuterol is commonly used in EMS and hospital settings for respiratory issues. It's commonly administered in a vaporized form that blows out into the room and gives a small dose to everyone near by.
 
2012-03-15 09:38:55 AM  

kyleaugustus: Albuterol is commonly used in EMS and hospital settings for respiratory issues. It's commonly administered in a vaporized form that blows out into the room and gives a small dose to everyone near by.


Yes, making everyone in that room breathe easier.......( :
 
2012-03-15 09:41:52 AM  

violentsalvation: I can't wait until this war on drugs BS ends and the people who support it are taken out and shot.


You got a funny vote! You should hold your breath until this happens. Can I have your stuff?
 
2012-03-15 09:42:34 AM  
Oh god, the stupidity in this thread, it burns. Maybe it is all of the smoke up in the air around Seattle that is bothering me though. There must be a massive farking forest fire nearby. I should probably call the fire department or something.
 
2012-03-15 09:48:37 AM  

Slartibartfaster: Kazan: (don't bother replying to me)

self entitled ?

fark you


Any asshole who posts followed by "don't bother replying" is just asking to be blocked. Oblige him.
 
2012-03-15 09:59:17 AM  

untaken_name: cman: cman: I aint gonna debate medical marijuana, that is not the point.

A lot of hospitals have no smoking policies due to various laws. The hospital could get in trouble for not adhering to said laws.

Oh, and before you go all "She was inhaling through vapors" on my ass, remember, that is how an ecigarette works, and many states treat ecigarettes the same way as they do regular cigarettes.

That is not a positive argument. It makes no more sense to treat vapor the same as smoke than it does to treat vitamin C pills the same as orange juice. There's a reason that "smoke" and "vapor" are different words. It's because they have difference meanings.


Yeah just like war and kinetic military action....totally different things.....
 
2012-03-15 09:59:29 AM  

RockofAges: hbk72777: Oh boy, the little druggies got their panties in a bunch again.

There are several reasons for this

1) She could be giving the other patients inhalation of the shiat . Herbal and chemo do not mix. You can take one or the other, they will interfere with each other. When my mother went through chemo, she had to report any herbal medicine she was taking.

2) Oxygen tanks motherfarkers. They explode

3)If she's terminal, move to a hospice or go home and smoke all you want.

-=-=-

You know how I know you don't know the first thing about cannabis?

I love how all the people in here who absolutely don't know jack shiat about vapourization speak as if experts. Do we live in a society of morons with delusions of grandeur nowadays?

1) It's vapourized. You would literally have to smoke ounce upon ounce to produce any effect to those nearby. There is NO COMBUSTION. That means there is NO BURNING. That means there is NO SMOKE. Thank you. The plant matter is heated to the point of STEAMING the vegetative matter, whereupon the water-vapour and THC combine, without any carcinogenic byproduct. (No, it's not "smoke" in your volcano, unless you are setting it WAY too high / don't know how to properly use your vape).

2) In vaporizers, all components are internal. You wouldn't know this, because you don't know WTF you are talking about. There is no "open flame" to ignite the presumably within 10 feet of the "open flame" oxygen tanks you speak of.

3) Nice of you to make that call, Dr.


That's all well and good - but it doesn't change the fact that there is no accepted medical protocol for using these devices in a hospital setting.*
There needs to be one, but there isn't one now. That means that serious people need to get to work and test and research and create those protocols.
At no point in this process will yelling at "the other side", and telling them how dumb you think they are be helpful.

*No, nebulizers are not vaporizers. They are a different type of device that has been thoroughly tested with the substances used in them - and a nebulizer would not successfully disperse herbal marijuana.
 
2012-03-15 10:00:40 AM  
sure, aw poor cancer patient. if we knew the logistics of moving a patient & equipment to an outdoor location for a puff we could see why that was considered out of the question. the patient is probably hooked to a plethora of monitors and is right where they need to be, where staff can quickly respond.

hospitals do not allow mental health patients a cigarette. they used to. cruel farking bastards.

-- then again, we no longer life in the day where the boss has a fifth of ol redeye in the bottom left drawer and people don't smoke in the supermarket anymore either. things change.
 
2012-03-15 10:02:01 AM  

Umfufu: It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


you have mistaken the medicinal marijuana movement for people interested in medicine. It is a legalization effort.

/The hell it ain't.
//you wanna take off that Phish shirt and say that?
 
2012-03-15 10:08:30 AM  
Poor Ruth, Sterling is going to be devastated.

/Rampage!
 
2012-03-15 10:09:20 AM  

Giltric: untaken_name: cman: cman: I aint gonna debate medical marijuana, that is not the point.

A lot of hospitals have no smoking policies due to various laws. The hospital could get in trouble for not adhering to said laws.

Oh, and before you go all "She was inhaling through vapors" on my ass, remember, that is how an ecigarette works, and many states treat ecigarettes the same way as they do regular cigarettes.

That is not a positive argument. It makes no more sense to treat vapor the same as smoke than it does to treat vitamin C pills the same as orange juice. There's a reason that "smoke" and "vapor" are different words. It's because they have difference meanings.

Yeah just like war and kinetic military action....totally different things.....


Or lightning and the sun. They both produce visible light so they are the same thing.
 
2012-03-15 10:32:47 AM  
People still haven't figured out what the War on Smoking is all about. I won't bother telling you. You wouldn't believe me anyway.
 
2012-03-15 10:34:12 AM  

new_york_monty: Poor Ruth, Sterling is going to be devastated.


New York Monty, did you watch Regis this morning?
 
2012-03-15 10:36:54 AM  
I'm a full supporter of MJ but did anybody point out that the flash temp for objects goes way down when in an enriched oxygen environment? So the vaporizer very well could be producing smoke under such circumstances and was probably not designed to operate in enriched oxygen environments?

In other words if there was an O2 leak that could have caused a fire or explosion (which is why you can't smoke near O2 lines or tanks) the vaporizer very well might create an open flame, which would be bad since there is an O2 leak.
 
2012-03-15 10:38:04 AM  

MrBallou: Yes, they look like suppositories. Suppositories are a very effective delivery system for lots of drugs because things are absorbed into the bloodstream very quickly.

My question is do people make these at home to use recreationally?


My question is why do they come in different flavors?

/nevermind, don't answer that
 
2012-03-15 10:39:21 AM  

RockofAges: Joe Blowme: Dumbass, they have edibles.

A) It's vapour, not smoke, as so many people have attempted to point out to complete dumbasses who don't understand basic science / chemistry.

B) People who have cancer usually have a problem with eating / keeping things down.

/thanks for coming out.


You apparently have never been in a shop and see all they have, asshat.

/it's not all brownies
//thanks for being a dumbfark
 
2012-03-15 10:40:21 AM  

badhatharry: People still haven't figured out what the War on Smoking is all about. I won't bother telling you. You wouldn't believe me anyway.


Is it aliens?
It's aliens isn't it?
 
2012-03-15 10:43:44 AM  

Egoy3k: I'm a full supporter of MJ but did anybody point out that the flash temp for objects goes way down when in an enriched oxygen environment? So the vaporizer very well could be producing smoke under such circumstances and was probably not designed to operate in enriched oxygen environments?

In other words if there was an O2 leak that could have caused a fire or explosion (which is why you can't smoke near O2 lines or tanks) the vaporizer very well might create an open flame, which would be bad since there is an O2 leak.


They could allow people to smoke in a safe area. That is not a reasonable reason to throw out a cancer patient who needs to smoke.
 
2012-03-15 10:45:15 AM  

Gothnet: badhatharry: People still haven't figured out what the War on Smoking is all about. I won't bother telling you. You wouldn't believe me anyway.

Is it aliens?
It's aliens isn't it?


Nope. Nazis.
 
2012-03-15 10:47:46 AM  

fireclown: Umfufu: It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

you have mistaken the medicinal marijuana movement for people interested in medicine. It is a legalization effort.

/The hell it ain't.
//you wanna take off that Phish shirt and say that?


It ain't

Don't wear phish shirts cause IM not a filthy hippie.
 
2012-03-15 10:48:37 AM  

badhatharry: Egoy3k: I'm a full supporter of MJ but did anybody point out that the flash temp for objects goes way down when in an enriched oxygen environment? So the vaporizer very well could be producing smoke under such circumstances and was probably not designed to operate in enriched oxygen environments?

In other words if there was an O2 leak that could have caused a fire or explosion (which is why you can't smoke near O2 lines or tanks) the vaporizer very well might create an open flame, which would be bad since there is an O2 leak.

They could allow people to smoke in a safe area. That is not a reasonable reason to throw out a cancer patient who needs to smoke.


I agree completely.

I just wanted to point out that the whole vaporizer smoke/no smoke debate needed to consider additional information. I wouldn't feel 100% comfortable using a vaporizer around O2 myself, though I probably wouldn't be all that worried either to be fair. Also consider that insurance companies might have an issue about such a device being used in proximity to O2 in a building they are insuring.
 
2012-03-15 11:01:05 AM  

fireclown: new_york_monty: Poor Ruth, Sterling is going to be devastated.

New York Monty, did you watch Regis this morning?


No, I did not. I don't really do morning tv.
 
2012-03-15 11:04:43 AM  
UH eat brownies?? Smoking is smoking. Even though one kind of smoking is completely harmless. The sparks could ignite the oxygen tanks!!!
 
2012-03-15 11:08:43 AM  
I've watched several relatives die miserably in hospitals, fighting for life. Not going to do that myself.

Do I extend my life a few months while being miserable the whole time (gagging on tubes and laying in my own shiat while everyone tells me what I can or can't do) or do I take what little time I have left and go outside and try to do things? It's over either way. I'd rather die free with the sun on my face as opposed to viewing it through a window while dying slowly.

/it's not giving up, it's accepting one's fate
//still dealing with some issues
 
2012-03-15 11:10:32 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)


Why not? Is it because your skull is too thick to recognize the proven medicinal properties of marijuana, and nothing will convince you otherwise? Smoking in a hospital isn't acceptable, but neither is pure ignorance.
 
2012-03-15 11:15:15 AM  

some_beer_drinker: kicking a cancer patient out of the hospital? that's nice. why didnt they just go outside the back door? who lights up anything IN a hospital, that;s just asking for trouble...

/obviously


It was stated that she "has" to smoke every 2 hours. That's a PITA for the staff who has to take her on 12 smoke trips per day.

She should contact medical facilities ahead of time and determine which ones will allow her "medicine". Then there won't be any problems.
 
2012-03-15 11:16:28 AM  

RockofAges: liverleef: jso2897: you can't have smoking and bottled oxygen in the same places

I came here to say this

There's no smoking going on, and there's no open flame. By this rationale, you should probably never use a propane barbeque again, as it is infinitely more dangerous.


You certainly shouldn't use one adjacent to a container of pressurized oxygen.
 
2012-03-15 11:20:18 AM  

new_york_monty: No, I did not. I don't really do morning tv.


www.balettie.com
 
2012-03-15 11:20:30 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)


I'm replying to you! I'm replying to you! I'm replying to you! I'm replying to you! I'm replying to you!
 
2012-03-15 11:21:25 AM  
As someone who has used a variety of products to consume said medicine, vapor is NOT smoke. It is also not particularly satisfying in my opinion.

/all outdoor smoking bans motivated by "clean air" are absurd. those in place for fire hazards are reasonable, however.
 
2012-03-15 11:29:33 AM  

fireclown: new_york_monty: No, I did not. I don't really do morning tv.

[www.balettie.com image 600x337]


Yeah... I was looking for a screenshot of Archer and Ruth smoking up in the hospital, where Ruth biatches out the nurse who tells them they can't smoke. The Google was weak with me today, apparently.
 
2012-03-15 11:30:35 AM  
I understand the rationale, but have you ever smelled some of the industrial cleaners that hospitals use? I've a friend that had asthma attacks due to the floor cleaner they've used to clean the floors in the hospital. Cleaners that was used very close to patients that had serious breathing issues.

It just seems silly to fuss about the potential harm from this smoke (ignoring the illegal/legal elements) when you've got extremely noxious chemicals being poured on the floors that would probably do more harm than the pot smoke.
 
2012-03-15 11:31:40 AM  

Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


Marinol (dronabinol). Schedule III Narcotic (under the same regulation class of Suboxone or any hydrocodone product). It is relatively expensive, and probably isn't included on most insurance formularies. The only thing it is prescribed for (or legally prescribed in context for use) is anorexia nervosa, because the only proven medical advantage of cannabis or any THC analog is increased appetite. However, I know some people who have been prescribed the medication out of context of what the drug has been approved for.

On a side note, the article says this patient is terminally ill, so it sounds like they're making a hospice cocktail (this generally consists of ludicrous amounts of a high end opiate, like fentanyl patches) to make the patients' last days as comforting as possible.
 
2012-03-15 11:37:22 AM  
#1. Oxygen O2 is NOT Flammable
#2 Any appetite stimulant is usually a good thing in a chronically ill patient. People actually live longer with proper nutrition.
#3. Medicine is anything that has therapeutic value. The prolonging of life is NOT the only criteria for prescribing.
#4. Peeps should really work with some sick folks before they open their yaps.
 
2012-03-15 11:46:02 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.


I beg to differ. I'm a teetotaler when it comes to alcohol and illegal drugs, but medical marijuana in the form of Marinol pills helped me get through the ravages of chemotherapy. I'll never smoke pot but I'm thankful to this day that mother nature supplies it along with other medicinal herbs and plants.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.

No argument there.


(don't bother replying to me)

fark you, you smug effete asshole.
 
2012-03-15 11:52:53 AM  
This has nothing to do with weed not being effective and everything to do with these doctors/nurses/pharmacists not wanting to get in trouble with the federal government and the hospital not wanting to lose the grants on their research projects. Is it a shame, yes. However as someone stated before a hospice program would be better suited for this poor woman than a hospital where they have to follow much stricter practices. Now I'm not in any way saying heroin and weed are the same drug but as far as the legality of it stands they are both illicit substances so they can't allow someone to shoot up in their room any more than they can let someone vaporize some weed in it. You go to a hospital to receive care from those healthcare practitioners, if you don't agree with or like the care they are prescribing to you time to find a new place to go.
 
2012-03-15 11:57:15 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: She was using a vaporizer, so technically she wasn't "smoking".

However, even if she's in a private room, there's no way that they can keep the vapor fumes away from any hospital staff involved with her direct care, whether it's doctors or nurses, or the people who clean her room.

I fully understand & sympathize with what she's going through, but frankly she'd probably have less problems if she was in a hospice instead of a hospital setting.


Yeah. It's a drug whose use isn't confined to the patient. I have no problem with medical marijuana but that doesn't give you the right to use it around others who don't want it.

Umfufu: I was just curious, as the last time I was in a hospital, I was given a nicotine patch because I am a cigarette smoker. Seems to me the ingredients in a joint could also be put in a patch as well, and would also allow dosage control.

I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.


Not everything works in patch form. There's also the little detail that patients consider the actual smoke superior to the synthetic which probably means we don't have the whole picture.
 
2012-03-15 11:58:48 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)


Agreed, the FDA scheduling is based on the idea that the drug in question has a legitimate medical purpose that outweighs it's dangers. Marijuana is not an anti-anxiety medication because it makes just as many users anxious as it does relaxed. It is not an anti-inflammatory (obviously) and not an effective analgesic (it doesn't interrupt synaptic transmission of afferent neurons). However, there have been no deaths recorded due to a THC overdose, but it has been proven to decrease CNS [where it is active] synaptic activity, has high potential for abuse and addiction.

The key argument from this article, though, is smoking of any kind is dangerous in a hospital. Lots of hospital rooms have regulated high oxygen environment, or O2 tanks for elderly patients- not to mention NitrOx tanks for anesthesia, and older hospitals don't have sprinkler systems. Just because you're going to die doesn't mean you have any right to drag everyone else on the floor with you. Anyone who works in a hospital will second this. They should have told her she could (and her attending nurse should have escorted her) outside to a designated smoking area upon prescribing.

/if you want to argue this, please go attain a degree in pharmacology first.
 
2012-03-15 12:01:58 PM  

Baumli: /if you want to argue this, please go attain a degree in pharmacology first.


Right after you learn the difference between smoke and vapor.
 
2012-03-15 12:22:54 PM  

MrBallou: Ow My Balls:


You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?


That, and much much worse.
 
2012-03-15 12:29:12 PM  

Kazan: (don't bother replying to me)


If you're not interested in discussion, don't bother commenting.

(don't bother replying to me; you're now ignored)
 
2012-03-15 12:35:19 PM  

SweetDickens: #1. Oxygen O2 is NOT Flammable


No but anything that is flammable will burn much more readily in high concentrations of oxygen.
 
2012-03-15 12:38:56 PM  

Atomic Spunk: Sgygus: Atomic Spunk, what untaken_name says. You are doing it wrong. Your vaporizer is running too hot if you are singing the bud.

If you see something in the bag, it's smoke. The only people who are incapable of admitting that are weed smokers who don't like to think of themselves as smokers.


Combustion. How the fark does it work?

I'd be willing to bet that if you operated the vaporizer in a 100% nitrogen atmosphere the result would be visually indistinguishable.
 
2012-03-15 12:45:20 PM  

AndreMA: I'd be willing to bet that if you operated the vaporizer in a 100% nitrogen atmosphere the result would be visually indistinguishable.


I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't understand combustion to understand what a noble gas is.
 
2012-03-15 12:52:40 PM  

Egoy3k: AndreMA: I'd be willing to bet that if you operated the vaporizer in a 100% nitrogen atmosphere the result would be visually indistinguishable.

I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't understand combustion to understand what a noble gas is.


You may want to double check your periodic table.
 
2012-03-15 12:52:47 PM  

mod3072: violentsalvation: I can't wait until this war on drugs BS ends and the people who support it are taken out and shot.

You got a funny vote! You should hold your breath until this happens. Can I have your stuff?


Sure. Take care of my dogs.
 
2012-03-15 01:00:27 PM  
I love the idea that you can just label an otherwise unauthorized or illegal act as "medicinal" and then get outraged when it's still unauthorized or illegal.

"What do you mean I can no longer substitute teach!? I was just medicinally masturbating! I have to do it every 4 hours for... Like... Medicinal purposes."
 
2012-03-15 01:12:40 PM  

Atomic Spunk: I love weed and I enjoy my Volcano vaporizer, but you don't know a thing about a weed vaporizer if you think it doesn't create smoke. Once you crank the temperature dial more than 1/3, you can clearly see smoke in the bag. I side with the hospital on this one.


Uhhh...that's because you turned it so hot it is no longer vaporizing the thc but BURNING the thc....
 
2012-03-15 01:16:30 PM  
I've never seen bottled oxygen in a hospital room. Usually it's piped in and originates in a LOX tank somewhere outside. It would seem a no-brainer that there would be fire detection systems in place that could be set to stop the flow on a per-room basis (more redundant and fail-safe than a normal smoke detector, of course).

Thirty years ago I stayed overnight in a hospital room which was equipped with piped oxygen, although nobody in the room was using it. The only restriction against my smoking tobacco was "don't smoke in bed". There seemed to be as much concern about my tobacco smoking near piped O2 as there was for the dihydrogen monoxide lurking in the bathroom.

So even if there were combustion involved in the present case, the risk was extremely small unless the patient were actually on oxygen at the time.

As to secondhand exposure to THC, operating room staff are (were?) exposed to traces of gaseous anesthetics (cyclopropane, halothane, nitrous oxide) on a daily basis, and others have mentioned nebulizers (different method, same result). I think this argument is pretty specious.
 
2012-03-15 01:16:49 PM  
So before you tell anyone they don't know anything about a weed vaporizer, slap yourself in the face because you have no farking idea what you're talking about.
 
2012-03-15 01:17:33 PM  

Timid Goddess: Egoy3k: AndreMA: I'd be willing to bet that if you operated the vaporizer in a 100% nitrogen atmosphere the result would be visually indistinguishable.

I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't understand combustion to understand what a noble gas is.

You may want to double check your periodic table.


Oh wow, fail. I really thought that AndreMA had posted argon, not nitrogen.
 
2012-03-15 01:20:12 PM  

Egoy3k: AndreMA: I'd be willing to bet that if you operated the vaporizer in a 100% nitrogen atmosphere the result would be visually indistinguishable.

I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't understand combustion to understand what a noble gas is.


Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot and giving me a chuckle. Get back to me after burning plant material of your choice in a nitrogen atmosphere.

/same point applies if you were to use argon
//or helium, but the point would be higher pitched
 
2012-03-15 01:26:54 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Are these suppositories?


They are.

They're a valid method of giving certain types of medication. I used to work in a nursing home and we had a patient with terminal cancer who was given opium via suppository hourly. Without it she would have been screaming in agony.
 
2012-03-15 01:26:55 PM  

hailin: No smoking means no smoking. Period. Doesn't matter for what reason you are smoking.


So hospitals should not be allowed to prescribe asthma medication through a vaporizer? Or should a patient who needs it just be forced to walk X meters away from the hospital door before they use a prescription only device and medication?
 
2012-03-15 01:29:43 PM  

AndreMA: Egoy3k: AndreMA: I'd be willing to bet that if you operated the vaporizer in a 100% nitrogen atmosphere the result would be visually indistinguishable.

I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't understand combustion to understand what a noble gas is.

Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot and giving me a chuckle. Get back to me after burning plant material of your choice in a nitrogen atmosphere.

/same point applies if you were to use argon
//or helium, but the point would be higher pitched


Two of the three components necessary for combustion are oxygen and fuel. Plant material is the fuel, so unless your nitrogen atmosphere is oxygen free, under the right conditions you will have ignition and burning.

That said, I have major problems, usually bronchitis, with second hand cigarette smoke. I have no problems with second hand e-cigarettes. Because it is pretty much water vapor with a small amount of contaminants. I can't imagine a THC vaporizer would be much different.
 
2012-03-15 01:34:38 PM  
She didn't need to smoke or vaporize her marijuana. Most dispensaries offer edibles. She could have gotten brownies, cookies, trail mix or whatever else they bake it into.
 
2012-03-15 01:36:34 PM  

Dinjiin: She didn't need to smoke or vaporize her marijuana. Most dispensaries offer edibles. She could have gotten brownies, cookies, trail mix or whatever else they bake it into.


I hate taking edibles, the effects of consuming thc is completely different than smoking/vaporizing. Way too narcotic, just puts me to sleep.
 
2012-03-15 01:36:46 PM  
That'd be great. Get enough exposure to a smoking patient to either get high, or fail a drug test.

No really it was Bob in 313a!
 
2012-03-15 01:41:19 PM  

Timid Goddess: AndreMA: Egoy3k: AndreMA: I'd be willing to bet that if you operated the vaporizer in a 100% nitrogen atmosphere the result would be visually indistinguishable.

I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't understand combustion to understand what a noble gas is.

Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot and giving me a chuckle. Get back to me after burning plant material of your choice in a nitrogen atmosphere.

/same point applies if you were to use argon
//or helium, but the point would be higher pitched

Two of the three components necessary for combustion are oxygen and fuel. Plant material is the fuel, so unless your nitrogen atmosphere is oxygen free, under the right conditions you will have ignition and burning.

That said, I have major problems, usually bronchitis, with second hand cigarette smoke. I have no problems with second hand e-cigarettes. Because it is pretty much water vapor with a small amount of contaminants. I can't imagine a THC vaporizer would be much different.


I'd specified a 100% nitrogen atmosphere... not to suggest that anyone actually attempt doing that in practice, but to disabuse Atomic Spunk of the idea that something that resembles smoke must be smoke.

/nitpick: Combustion need not involve oxygen; it's a reaction between a fuel and an oxidizers. Fluorine is an even better oxidizer than oxygen.
 
2012-03-15 01:45:19 PM  

AndreMA: Timid Goddess: AndreMA: Egoy3k: AndreMA: I'd be willing to bet that if you operated the vaporizer in a 100% nitrogen atmosphere the result would be visually indistinguishable.

I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't understand combustion to understand what a noble gas is.

Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot and giving me a chuckle. Get back to me after burning plant material of your choice in a nitrogen atmosphere.

/same point applies if you were to use argon
//or helium, but the point would be higher pitched

Two of the three components necessary for combustion are oxygen and fuel. Plant material is the fuel, so unless your nitrogen atmosphere is oxygen free, under the right conditions you will have ignition and burning.

That said, I have major problems, usually bronchitis, with second hand cigarette smoke. I have no problems with second hand e-cigarettes. Because it is pretty much water vapor with a small amount of contaminants. I can't imagine a THC vaporizer would be much different.

I'd specified a 100% nitrogen atmosphere... not to suggest that anyone actually attempt doing that in practice, but to disabuse Atomic Spunk of the idea that something that resembles smoke must be smoke.

/nitpick: Combustion need not involve oxygen; it's a reaction between a fuel and an oxidizers. Fluorine is an even better oxidizer than oxygen.


I read that in Mordins voice.
 
2012-03-15 01:46:24 PM  
Why does everyone thing that the only way to take your medicine is through smoking? Damn, people.

Learn your dose, buy the candy bars, pills, drinks, etc. You don't need to smoke. Let me tell you again: YOU DON'T NEED TO SMOKE!

Eating has stronger effects and lasts a lot longer. Once you know how it affects you, you can plan ahead.

Stop being a bad pothead!
 
2012-03-15 01:48:16 PM  

hosalabad: That'd be great. Get enough exposure to a smoking patient to either get high, or fail a drug test.

No really it was Bob in 313a!


Without beating the dead horse that no smoking is involved here...

I doubt that cheap urine screening tests are anywhere near sensitive enough to turn a positive on secondhand vapor or smoke. Even if they are, quantitative backup testing will reveal that the blood levels are so low as to be consistent with occupational exposure.
 
2012-03-15 01:54:01 PM  

Atomic Spunk: untaken_name: Atomic Spunk: I love weed and I enjoy my Volcano vaporizer, but you don't know a thing about a weed vaporizer if you think it doesn't create smoke. Once you crank the temperature dial more than 1/3, you can clearly see smoke in the bag. I side with the hospital on this one.

If your vaporizer is producing smoke, you're doing something very wrong. That substance you're describing is "smoke" like fog is "smoke". By which I mean it isn't.

It's smoke. No, I'm not doing anything wrong. Yes, it produces vapor but it's also producing smoke. Super-heated air is pushed through dried organic material and the byproduct is nothing but fog and vapor? Don't be a dick, just call it what it is.


No, what it is is the air's not "super-heated". It's hot enough to vaporize THC (315F boiling point), CBN, CBD, and aromatic terpenoids but BELOW the temperature where plant material burns. In fact the process of evaporation cools the air and limits the temp as long as some of these substances remain.

If you don't reach the temp where plant material decomposes (burns), there's no smoke or soot or anything, and the plant material doesn't turn to ash. It's just drier in that the resinous material inside has evaporated.
 
2012-03-15 01:54:24 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: She was using a vaporizer, so technically she wasn't "smoking".

However, even if she's in a private room, there's no way that they can keep the vapor fumes away from any hospital staff involved with her direct care, whether it's doctors or nurses, or the people who clean her room.

I fully understand & sympathize with what she's going through, but frankly she'd probably have less problems if she was in a hospice instead of a hospital setting.


Hospitals give people all sorts of gases and meds via inhalers or face masks, so I don't buy that argument.
 
2012-03-15 02:02:15 PM  

Dinjiin: She didn't need to smoke or vaporize her marijuana. Most dispensaries offer edibles. She could have gotten brownies, cookies, trail mix or whatever else they bake it into.


However, one of the problems with that is that sometimes terminal cancer patients have trouble eating sold foods, let alone keeping them down. And ingesting marijuana isn't as effective as smoking it when it comes to using it in a palliative situation.
 
2012-03-15 02:27:44 PM  
As a counter-point, Wikipedia does say that 30%-40% of the THC vapor does NOT get absorbed and is exhaled into the room. So there's THC resin (as well as other compounds, CBN, CBD, terpenoids) which condenses on surfaces in the room. I can't say whether they stick like nicotine tar from smokers does. I doubt it, I've never seen a window cloudy and sticky because people smoked pot heavily there.

Hypothetically speaking, a person who's deathly allergic to cannabis could have a reaction. However, I've never heard of a properly documented case where someone had anaphylactic shock being near a smoker like some people have with a peanut allergy. Rather, they get sick when they smoke it directly. Some people claim that they can't be near pot smokers because they're somehow allergic, but honestly I think they're just crazy.

It's still just not very plausible that this is a risk to anyone.
 
2012-03-15 02:39:31 PM  

Oznog: As a counter-point, Wikipedia does say that 30%-40% of the THC vapor does NOT get absorbed and is exhaled into the room. So there's THC resin (as well as other compounds, CBN, CBD, terpenoids) which condenses on surfaces in the room. I can't say whether they stick like nicotine tar from smokers does. I doubt it, I've never seen a window cloudy and sticky because people smoked pot heavily there.

Hypothetically speaking, a person who's deathly allergic to cannabis could have a reaction. However, I've never heard of a properly documented case where someone had anaphylactic shock being near a smoker like some people have with a peanut allergy. Rather, they get sick when they smoke it directly. Some people claim that they can't be near pot smokers because they're somehow allergic, but honestly I think they're just crazy.

It's still just not very plausible that this is a risk to anyone.


Pot gives me migraines, but I've never heard of it causing anaphylaxis.
 
2012-03-15 02:49:05 PM  

Umfufu: lewismarktwo: Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.

I was just curious, as the last time I was in a hospital, I was given a nicotine patch because I am a cigarette smoker. Seems to me the ingredients in a joint could also be put in a patch as well, and would also allow dosage control.

I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.


There is an mmj patch in development but it is only for cats, dogs and one other animal (horses, I think).

/no, I'm not kidding
 
2012-03-15 02:49:28 PM  
SweetDickens: #1. Oxygen O2 is NOT Flammable
#2 Any appetite stimulant is usually a good thing in a chronically ill patient. People actually live longer with proper nutrition.
#3. Medicine is anything that has therapeutic value. The prolonging of life is NOT the only criteria for prescribing.
#4. Peeps should really work with some sick folks before they open their yaps.


Oxygen supports combustion, and pure oxygen can produce explosive flammability with flammable materials. I've personally seen 3rd Degree burns on the face of a patient who was smoking and ignited their nasal cannula. We call them "Fireballs".

Most states have a zero tolerance law when it comes to hospitals and smoking. The hospital I work for the patients and staff actually have to go off hosptial property to smoke.
 
2012-03-15 02:57:58 PM  
I got throat cancer from smoking weed and drinking beer.

I'm 45

burned once daily

2 glasses of alcohol daily.

I recommend edibles, and drinking occasionally for better health.

Don't be fooled, smoking anything is bad for you.
 
2012-03-15 03:06:25 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Umfufu: lewismarktwo: Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.

I was just curious, as the last time I was in a hospital, I was given a nicotine patch because I am a cigarette smoker. Seems to me the ingredients in a joint could also be put in a patch as well, and would also allow dosage control.

I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.

There is an mmj patch in development but it is only for cats, dogs and one other animal (horses, I think).

/no, I'm not kidding


Cannabis is toxic to dogs. Are you sure about your info here, budday?
 
2012-03-15 03:10:00 PM  

AeAe: Cannabis is toxic to dogs. Are you sure about your info here, budday?


citation needed?

It is probably toxic to dogs just like it is toxic to humans: meaning they would have to eat their own weight in THC for it to be fatal.
 
2012-03-15 03:14:20 PM  

umad: AeAe: Cannabis is toxic to dogs. Are you sure about your info here, budday?

citation needed?

It is probably toxic to dogs just like it is toxic to humans: meaning they would have to eat their own weight in THC for it to be fatal.


I'll look it up when i get home. IIRC, it's so toxic that if your dog eats cannabis, you have to take it to the vet immediately.
 
2012-03-15 03:15:45 PM  

Savage Belief: Not to mention pain killing drugs, like opiates, cause horrible damage you your system and could actually shorten your life.

Ask any pain specialist.


January 12, 2012 - In 2007, approximately 27,000 unintentional drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States, one death every 19 minutes. Prescription drug abuse is the fastest growing drug problem in the United States. The increase in unintentional drug overdose death rates in recent years has been driven by increased use of a class of prescription drugs called opioid analgesics. Since 2003, more overdose deaths have involved opioid analgesics than heroin and cocaine combined. In addition, for every unintentional overdose death related to an opioid analgesic, nine persons are admitted for substance abuse treatment, 35 visit emergency departments, 161 report drug abuse or dependence, and 461 report nonmedical uses of opioid analgesics. Source: CDC
 
2012-03-15 03:19:13 PM  
I argued this with my friend days ago. It's not the pot they kicked her out for. It's the smoking. Because Oxygen leaks and sparks do not mix.
 
2012-03-15 03:19:31 PM  
Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Savage Belief: Not to mention pain killing drugs, like opiates, cause horrible damage you your system and could actually shorten your life.

Ask any pain specialist.

January 12, 2012 - In 2007, approximately 27,000 unintentional drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States, one death every 19 minutes. Prescription drug abuse is the fastest growing drug problem in the United States. The increase in unintentional drug overdose death rates in recent years has been driven by increased use of a class of prescription drugs called opioid analgesics. Since 2003, more overdose deaths have involved opioid analgesics than heroin and cocaine combined. In addition, for every unintentional overdose death related to an opioid analgesic, nine persons are admitted for substance abuse treatment, 35 visit emergency departments, 161 report drug abuse or dependence, and 461 report nonmedical uses of opioid analgesics. Source: CDC


So what you're saying is that heroin and cocaine are harmless, and we should be ok with their use and abuse as a recreational substance?

Diazepam, Narcan, and Sodium Bicarb Autoinjectors for everyone!
 
2012-03-15 03:19:54 PM  

Descartes: Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.

You are correct, but don't expect to be popular with the druggie lobby on Fark.


Cool! Two morons, I can make bookends.
 
2012-03-15 03:20:47 PM  

AeAe: umad: AeAe: Cannabis is toxic to dogs. Are you sure about your info here, budday?

citation needed?

It is probably toxic to dogs just like it is toxic to humans: meaning they would have to eat their own weight in THC for it to be fatal.

I'll look it up when i get home. IIRC, it's so toxic that if your dog eats cannabis, you have to take it to the vet immediately.


My dog has a superpower then. She would rather have a weed cookie than a Rimadyl any time. I think you are thinking of something else, like grapes, chocolate, or nicotine.
 
2012-03-15 03:24:33 PM  

AeAe: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Umfufu: lewismarktwo: Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.

I was just curious, as the last time I was in a hospital, I was given a nicotine patch because I am a cigarette smoker. Seems to me the ingredients in a joint could also be put in a patch as well, and would also allow dosage control.

I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.

There is an mmj patch in development but it is only for cats, dogs and one other animal (horses, I think).

/no, I'm not kidding

Cannabis is toxic to dogs. Are you sure about your info here, budday?


Here's your link. How about an apology, budday? Oh, and maybe a link to the source of your claim?
 
2012-03-15 03:25:06 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: I argued this with my friend days ago. It's not the pot they kicked her out for. It's the smoking. Because Oxygen leaks and sparks do not mix.


I hope your friend pointed out your piss-poor reading comprehension during the argument. You only missed about 150 out of 200 posts in the thread pointing out that there were no sparks, no smoke, and no farking fire involved.

/reeding iz tuff
 
2012-03-15 03:30:10 PM  

BronyMedic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Savage Belief: Not to mention pain killing drugs, like opiates, cause horrible damage you your system and could actually shorten your life.

Ask any pain specialist.

January 12, 2012 - In 2007, approximately 27,000 unintentional drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States, one death every 19 minutes. Prescription drug abuse is the fastest growing drug problem in the United States. The increase in unintentional drug overdose death rates in recent years has been driven by increased use of a class of prescription drugs called opioid analgesics. Since 2003, more overdose deaths have involved opioid analgesics than heroin and cocaine combined. In addition, for every unintentional overdose death related to an opioid analgesic, nine persons are admitted for substance abuse treatment, 35 visit emergency departments, 161 report drug abuse or dependence, and 461 report nonmedical uses of opioid analgesics. Source: CDC

So what you're saying is that heroin and cocaine are harmless, and we should be ok with their use and abuse as a recreational substance?

Diazepam, Narcan, and Sodium Bicarb Autoinjectors for everyone!


Way to fail at reading comprehension, once again, dude-that-likes-My-Little-Pony-medic.
 
2012-03-15 03:35:38 PM  
Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Way to fail at reading comprehension, once again, dude-that-likes-My-Little-Pony-medic.

Clearly the subtle art of sarcasm is lost on you.

I understand, though. It's a difficult talent for most people on FARK to comprehend.
 
2012-03-15 03:37:16 PM  

Joe Blowme: Dumbass, they have edibles.


Yeah, I'm sure someone who took a lawsuit for medical cannabis against the federal government all the way to the Supreme Court doesn't know about edibles. Dumbass.

/I know you're just a dumb troll. You got me. Congratulations.
 
2012-03-15 03:45:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Slartibartfaster: Kazan: (don't bother replying to me)

self entitled ?

fark you

Any asshole who posts followed by "don't bother replying" is just asking to be blocked. Oblige him.


Kazan is a well-known troll who, 100% of the time, posts incorrect information and outright lies. I am surprise FartBlaster (that is how my brain interprets that handle) doesn't already have him on ignore.
 
2012-03-15 03:48:18 PM  

fireclown: Umfufu: It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

you have mistaken the medicinal marijuana movement for people interested in medicine. It is a legalization effort.

/The hell it ain't.
//you wanna take off that Phish shirt and say that?


4/10
 
2012-03-15 03:53:35 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: AeAe: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Umfufu: lewismarktwo: Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.

I was just curious, as the last time I was in a hospital, I was given a nicotine patch because I am a cigarette smoker. Seems to me the ingredients in a joint could also be put in a patch as well, and would also allow dosage control.

I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.

There is an mmj patch in development but it is only for cats, dogs and one other animal (horses, I think).

/no, I'm not kidding

Cannabis is toxic to dogs. Are you sure about your info here, budday?

Here's your link. How about an apology, budday? Oh, and maybe a link to the source of your claim?


You want me to apologize because I questioned your info? I didn't insult you, friend; I just asked if your info was correct.
 
2012-03-15 03:54:04 PM  

fireclown: new_york_monty: No, I did not. I don't really do morning tv.


Figured there was a reason that you say such moronic things... You are a loser that watches cartoons!
 
2012-03-15 03:56:56 PM  

AndreMA: hosalabad: That'd be great. Get enough exposure to a smoking patient to either get high, or fail a drug test.

No really it was Bob in 313a!

Without beating the dead horse that no smoking is involved here...

I doubt that cheap urine screening tests are anywhere near sensitive enough to turn a positive on secondhand vapor or smoke. Even if they are, quantitative backup testing will reveal that the blood levels are so low as to be consistent with occupational exposure.


New here, eh?
 
2012-03-15 03:58:09 PM  
I'm pro-pot, but come on here... These are the type of stories that give medicinal marijuana a bad name.

You don't have to administer the marijuana by smoking it -- she could have vaporized it, or had one of the hundreds of marijuana laced foods made for people like this.
 
2012-03-15 04:01:24 PM  

Mr.Poops: I'm pro-pot, but come on here... These are the type of stories that give medicinal marijuana a bad name.

You don't have to administer the marijuana by smoking it -- she could have vaporized it, or had one of the hundreds of marijuana laced foods made for people like this.


Didn't read the article, eh?

"Details are scant, but it appears Raich was at UCSF for tests and was using marijuana via a vaporizer at the Parnassus campus when someone -- a doctor or a pharmacist -- took offense, and told Raich that they'd "call the Feds" unless she stopped using marijuana."
 
2012-03-15 04:06:27 PM  

Mr.Poops: I'm pro-pot, but come on here against reading articles before making myself look like a complete idiot...


FTFY
 
2012-03-15 04:14:23 PM  

Baumli: Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)

Agreed, the FDA scheduling is based on the idea that the drug in question has a legitimate medical purpose that outweighs it's dangers. Marijuana is not an anti-anxiety medication because it makes just as many users anxious as it does relaxed. It is not an anti-inflammatory (obviously) and not an effective analgesic (it doesn't interrupt synaptic transmission of afferent neurons). However, there have been no deaths recorded due to a THC overdose, but it has been proven to decrease CNS [where it is active] synaptic activity, has high potential for abuse and addiction.

The key argument from this article, though, is smoking of any kind is dangerous in a hospital. Lots of hospital rooms have regulated high oxygen environment, or O2 tanks for elderly patients- not to mention NitrOx tanks for anesthesia, and older hospitals don't have sprinkler systems. Just because you're going to die doesn't mean you have any right to drag everyone else on the floor with you. Anyone who works in a hospital will second this. They should have told her she could (and her attending nurse should have escorted her) outside to a designated smoking area upon prescribing.

/if you want to argue this, please go attain a degree in pharmacology first.


Umm, so you are graduating from SOP in 2015? So what, you've taken like two classes and are an expert now? Why don't you tell us why the human body has cannabanoid receptors and how they work? And why don't you tell us why the U.S. Government has a patent on cannabanoids? How would your school feel if they knew that you were dispensing medical advice in the internet a full 3 years before you could potentially graduate, you wannabe-nerd-ITG?
 
2012-03-15 04:21:41 PM  

Baumli: Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)

Agreed, the FDA scheduling is based on the idea that the drug in question has a legitimate medical purpose that outweighs it's dangers. Marijuana is not an anti-anxiety medication because it makes just as many users anxious as it does relaxed. It is not an anti-inflammatory (obviously) and not an effective analgesic (it doesn't interrupt synaptic transmission of afferent neurons). However, there have been no deaths recorded due to a THC overdose, but it has been proven to decrease CNS [where it is active] synaptic activity, has high potential for abuse and addiction.

The key argument from this article, though, is smoking of any kind is dangerous in a hospital. Lots of hospital rooms have regulated high oxygen environment, or O2 tanks for elderly patients- not to mention NitrOx tanks for anesthesia, and older hospitals don't have sprinkler systems. Just because you're going to die doesn't mean you have any right to drag everyone else on the floor with you. Anyone who works in a hospital will second this. They should have told her she could (and her attending nurse should have escorted her) outside to a designated smoking area upon prescribing.

/if you want to argue this, please go attain a degree in pharmacology first.


"I go to school to deal drugs. 'Nuff Said. UMKC SOP 2015"

weknowmemes.com

/twbgx2, the Dean would like a word with you in his office
 
2012-03-15 04:24:24 PM  

AeAe: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: AeAe: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Umfufu: lewismarktwo: Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.

I was just curious, as the last time I was in a hospital, I was given a nicotine patch because I am a cigarette smoker. Seems to me the ingredients in a joint could also be put in a patch as well, and would also allow dosage control.

I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.

There is an mmj patch in development but it is only for cats, dogs and one other animal (horses, I think).

/no, I'm not kidding

Cannabis is toxic to dogs. Are you sure about your info here, budday?

Here's your link. How about an apology, budday? Oh, and maybe a link to the source of your claim?

You want me to apologize because I questioned your info? I didn't insult you, friend; I just asked if your info was correct.


Yes, yes I do. And you insulted all of us by posting the false statement "Cannabis is toxic to dogs" without any citation. And you should also wash my car.
 
2012-03-15 04:27:57 PM  
Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Umm, so you are graduating from SOP in 2015? So what, you've taken like two classes and are an expert now? Why don't you tell us why the human body has cannabanoid receptors and how they work? And why don't you tell us why the U.S. Government has a patent on cannabanoids? How would your school feel if they knew that you were dispensing medical advice in the internet a full 3 years before you could potentially graduate, you wannabe-nerd-ITG?

So, you're the only knowledgeable one here. Despite replying to a troll, the only proven efficacious use of Marijuana in the medical setting is through the use of purified cannabinoids for the induction of appetite, the control of intractable nausea/vomiting (which is debatable with the now-generic ondansetron, which is safer and more efficacious than Phenergan), and as an adjunct in the control of neurogenic pain, such as neuropathy. It does jack shiat in somatogenic pain.

So, please explain to us why everyone else is wrong except for you, for demanding that pharmacological use of THC be evidence-based?

Also, please explain why those of us who are actually for the Schedulization of Cannabinoids as a Schedule II/III pharmacological agent should not be miffed at the fact that a large percentile of the Medical Marijuana movement is simply in it for legalization, not for patient care or evidence based medicine.
 
2012-03-15 04:34:25 PM  

BronyMedic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Umm, so you are graduating from SOP in 2015? So what, you've taken like two classes and are an expert now? Why don't you tell us why the human body has cannabanoid receptors and how they work? And why don't you tell us why the U.S. Government has a patent on cannabanoids? How would your school feel if they knew that you were dispensing medical advice in the internet a full 3 years before you could potentially graduate, you wannabe-nerd-ITG?

So, you're the only knowledgeable one here. Despite replying to a troll, the only proven efficacious use of Marijuana in the medical setting is through the use of purified cannabinoids for the induction of appetite, the control of intractable nausea/vomiting (which is debatable with the now-generic ondansetron, which is safer and more efficacious than Phenergan), and as an adjunct in the control of neurogenic pain, such as neuropathy. It does jack shiat in somatogenic pain.

So, please explain to us why everyone else is wrong except for you, for demanding that pharmacological use of THC be evidence-based?

Also, please explain why those of us who are actually for the Schedulization of Cannabinoids as a Schedule II/III pharmacological agent should not be miffed at the fact that a large percentile of the Medical Marijuana movement is simply in it for legalization, not for patient care or evidence based medicine.


Evidence: Cash Hyde.
 
2012-03-15 04:35:47 PM  
YOUR right to pollute yourself ENDS at MY BODY.

Or so the smoking ban people have been telling me all these years.

Suck it up, nancies, this is what you wished for.
 
2012-03-15 04:38:35 PM  

BronyMedic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Umm, so you are graduating from SOP in 2015? So what, you've taken like two classes and are an expert now? Why don't you tell us why the human body has cannabanoid receptors and how they work? And why don't you tell us why the U.S. Government has a patent on cannabanoids? How would your school feel if they knew that you were dispensing medical advice in the internet a full 3 years before you could potentially graduate, you wannabe-nerd-ITG?

So, you're the only knowledgeable one here. Despite replying to a troll, the only proven efficacious use of Marijuana in the medical setting is through the use of purified cannabinoids for the induction of appetite, the control of intractable nausea/vomiting (which is debatable with the now-generic ondansetron, which is safer and more efficacious than Phenergan), and as an adjunct in the control of neurogenic pain, such as neuropathy. It does jack shiat in somatogenic pain.

So, please explain to us why everyone else is wrong except for you, for demanding that pharmacological use of THC be evidence-based?

Also, please explain why those of us who are actually for the Schedulization of Cannabinoids as a Schedule II/III pharmacological agent should not be miffed at the fact that a large percentile of the Medical Marijuana movement is simply in it for legalization, not for patient care or evidence based medicine.


Also, speaking as someone with intimate knowledge of the subject, the people in the Medical Marijuana movement are not in it for legalization, they are in it for money.
 
2012-03-15 04:40:12 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: AeAe: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: AeAe: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Umfufu: lewismarktwo: Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.

I was just curious, as the last time I was in a hospital, I was given a nicotine patch because I am a cigarette smoker. Seems to me the ingredients in a joint could also be put in a patch as well, and would also allow dosage control.

I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.

There is an mmj patch in development but it is only for cats, dogs and one other animal (horses, I think).

/no, I'm not kidding

Cannabis is toxic to dogs. Are you sure about your info here, budday?

Here's your link. How about an apology, budday? Oh, and maybe a link to the source of your claim?

You want me to apologize because I questioned your info? I didn't insult you, friend; I just asked if your info was correct.

Yes, yes I do. And you insulted all of us by posting the false statement "Cannabis is toxic to dogs" without any citation. And you should also wash my car.


I'm so sorry to offend. Please forgive me.

btw, I also said "IIRC" .. I'll try to find where I read that. I tend to not make shiat up.
 
2012-03-15 04:42:15 PM  
Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Evidence: Cash Hyde.

I asked for evidence based citations and research, not a link to a special interest group who's stated mission is "The Cash Hyde Foundation's mission is to fight cancer with smiles, prayers, positive energy and provide information and financial support for children with cancer and their families."

The page reads like a site selling fairy dust. A quote taken from their page: "We were able to replace seven scary and toxic drugs that were given to Cash as a nausea cocktail around the clock with 0.3 Milliliters of cannabis oil."

Hey, maybe they should have like - gone homeopathic, man. Because of the toxins.

So. Yeah. Either continue to look like a complete shiatcock by insulting others, or post legitimate scientific evidence backing your position.
 
2012-03-15 04:42:42 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I love the idea that you can just label an otherwise unauthorized or illegal act as "medicinal" and then get outraged when it's still unauthorized or illegal.


Cancer for you!

.......God

But seriously, people who think a little pot smoke floating around in the hospital is the worst thing ever that you could find floating around a hospital don't know jack about hospitals.
 
2012-03-15 04:45:34 PM  

umad: Cup_O_Jo: I argued this with my friend days ago. It's not the pot they kicked her out for. It's the smoking. Because Oxygen leaks and sparks do not mix.

I hope your friend pointed out your piss-poor reading comprehension during the argument. You only missed about 150 out of 200 posts in the thread pointing out that there were no sparks, no smoke, and no farking fire involved.

/reeding iz tuff


Hey asshole---THE NO SMOKING includes ECIGARETTES..OR VAPING as it is called-I smoke electric cigarettes. HOWEVER,the original article stated she was smoking an actual marijuana cigarette not vaping. Which was what fueled the argument. The new article Details are scant, but it appears Raich was at UCSF for tests and was using marijuana via a vaporizer at the Parnassus campus when someone -- a doctor or a pharmacist -- took offense, and told Raich that they'd "call the Feds" unless she stopped using marijuana. NOW--forget all that in this new artcle it states she was only there for test.. Not admitted like the first article I read. So basically she could have easily stepped outside. Respect rules that are made for others. Some people may not want a contact high.
 
2012-03-15 04:48:44 PM  

knobmaker: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I love the idea that you can just label an otherwise unauthorized or illegal act as "medicinal" and then get outraged when it's still unauthorized or illegal.

Cancer for you!

.......God

But seriously, people who think a little pot smoke floating around in the hospital is the worst thing ever that you could find floating around a hospital don't know jack about hospitals.


It would be nice if it was just due to ignorance. It is really about control.
 
2012-03-15 04:49:52 PM  

AeAe: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: AeAe: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: AeAe: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Umfufu: lewismarktwo: Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.

Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.

I was just curious, as the last time I was in a hospital, I was given a nicotine patch because I am a cigarette smoker. Seems to me the ingredients in a joint could also be put in a patch as well, and would also allow dosage control.

I just think "toking it up" in a hospital strikes me as wrong.

There is an mmj patch in development but it is only for cats, dogs and one other animal (horses, I think).

/no, I'm not kidding

Cannabis is toxic to dogs. Are you sure about your info here, budday?

Here's your link. How about an apology, budday? Oh, and maybe a link to the source of your claim?

You want me to apologize because I questioned your info? I didn't insult you, friend; I just asked if your info was correct.

Yes, yes I do. And you insulted all of us by posting the false statement "Cannabis is toxic to dogs" without any citation. And you should also wash my car.

I'm so sorry to offend. Please forgive me.

btw, I also said "IIRC" .. I'll try to find where I read that. I tend to not make shiat up.


Thank you for the apology. You are forgiven. And you may even be correct; raw cannabis may itself be toxic to dogs, but I think the patch just has THC in it, which may not be.

Honestly, I am a little snippy because I haven't been allowed to consume in 3.5 weeks, am home sick on a 70-and-sunny alpine March day, and have a new bottle of Nancy B's CBD Syrup in my fridge that I really want to try but can't because it also has THC in it.
 
2012-03-15 04:56:17 PM  

BronyMedic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Evidence: Cash Hyde.

I asked for evidence based citations and research, not a link to a special interest group who's stated mission is "The Cash Hyde Foundation's mission is to fight cancer with smiles, prayers, positive energy and provide information and financial support for children with cancer and their families."

The page reads like a site selling fairy dust. A quote taken from their page: "We were able to replace seven scary and toxic drugs that were given to Cash as a nausea cocktail around the clock with 0.3 Milliliters of cannabis oil."

Hey, maybe they should have like - gone homeopathic, man. Because of the toxins.

So. Yeah. Either continue to look like a complete shiatcock by insulting others, or post legitimate scientific evidence backing your position.


Why do I have to choose? I want to be an insulting shiatcock and post evidence backing my position.
 
2012-03-15 05:04:21 PM  
Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: BronyMedic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Evidence: Cash Hyde.

I asked for evidence based citations and research, not a link to a special interest group who's stated mission is "The Cash Hyde Foundation's mission is to fight cancer with smiles, prayers, positive energy and provide information and financial support for children with cancer and their families."

The page reads like a site selling fairy dust. A quote taken from their page: "We were able to replace seven scary and toxic drugs that were given to Cash as a nausea cocktail around the clock with 0.3 Milliliters of cannabis oil."

Hey, maybe they should have like - gone homeopathic, man. Because of the toxins.

So. Yeah. Either continue to look like a complete shiatcock by insulting others, or post legitimate scientific evidence backing your position.

Why do I have to choose? I want to be an insulting shiatcock and post evidence backing my position.


Congratulations. You posted evidence to something that I already said was true. Let me reinterate my position again.

Evidence based practice for the use of marijuana has found specific use for it as an adjunct therapy in somatic pain control (not a primary therapy, used in conjunction with opiates or non opiate pain control), treatment of neurogenic pain and symptoms of neurodegenerative diseases, nausea control (debatable when compared with modern antiemetics), and appetite induction in chronic cancer and HIV wasting syndrome patients.
 
2012-03-15 05:14:54 PM  

BronyMedic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: BronyMedic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Evidence: Cash Hyde.

I asked for evidence based citations and research, not a link to a special interest group who's stated mission is "The Cash Hyde Foundation's mission is to fight cancer with smiles, prayers, positive energy and provide information and financial support for children with cancer and their families."

The page reads like a site selling fairy dust. A quote taken from their page: "We were able to replace seven scary and toxic drugs that were given to Cash as a nausea cocktail around the clock with 0.3 Milliliters of cannabis oil."

Hey, maybe they should have like - gone homeopathic, man. Because of the toxins.

So. Yeah. Either continue to look like a complete shiatcock by insulting others, or post legitimate scientific evidence backing your position.

Why do I have to choose? I want to be an insulting shiatcock and post evidence backing my position.

Congratulations. You posted evidence to something that I already said was true. Let me reinterate my position again.

Evidence based practice for the use of marijuana has found specific use for it as an adjunct therapy in somatic pain control (not a primary therapy, used in conjunction with opiates or non opiate pain control), treatment of neurogenic pain and symptoms of neurodegenerative diseases, nausea control (debatable when compared with modern antiemetics), and appetite induction in chronic cancer and HIV wasting syndrome patients.


Wait... so what are we arguing about again? The federal government does not allow research to be done, research that would provide the evidence we need (apart from that one guy, but they control him), because they say it has no medical value. Yet they hold the patent on the medical value they claim doesn't exist, and license it out to pharmaceutical corporations that profit off of it. When does the revolution start?
 
2012-03-15 06:59:55 PM  
I work in many hospitals in a large metro area and have seen patients given e cigarettes by the hospital staff.

There is also a company in Europe which was working on a thc inhaler similar to one for asthma or copd
 
2012-03-15 07:04:08 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: When does the revolution start?


Right after this bowl of ice cream.....

Well now I need some salt and vinegar chips to compliment the sweet of the ice cream.....

Oh hey bro I got a raid in a couple minutes but we can totally start the revolution after that...hehe revolution.... revolution...revolution...is that even a word.... revolution...cause it doesn't sound like a real word.....revolution....hehe when I get to the U part it makes my teeth vibrate.

What were you saying?
 
2012-03-15 07:11:42 PM  
www.deviantart.com
 
2012-03-15 07:29:35 PM  

Lor M. Ipsum: MrBallou: Yes, they look like suppositories. Suppositories are a very effective delivery system for lots of drugs because things are absorbed into the bloodstream very quickly.

My question is do people make these at home to use recreationally?

My question is why do they come in different flavors?

/nevermind, don't answer that


When I look at suppositories, "flavors" is not the first thing that pops into my mind.

You are a sick, sick person.
 
2012-03-15 08:14:04 PM  
Cancer patient: The medication makes me nauseous.
Lawmakers: So, you can't ingest anything?
Cancer patient: Right. I need to ingest antioxidants to make more white blood cells to kill the bad shait in my system.
Lawmakers: Can you breathe?
Cancer patient: Yeah. I can inhale and exhale. I need weed to save my life.
Lawmakers: Smoking weed is illegal. You can eat this fake pot we made in our government labs.
Cancer patient: (x)(x)
 
2012-03-15 09:24:54 PM  

violentsalvation: A bit off topic, but is that how you consider it? Because the more I think about it, I like that. IIRC you have worked in a pharmacy? Do you consider doctors pitchmen for big pharma? I mean, I know they get tons of sample and used to get pens and t-shirts, but is that about all they are anymore? The car salesmen of pharmaceuticals?


If you are asking if I would be "OK" with doctors selling prescriptions for medical marijuana? No, I am not. Same same for any other drug. Not unless they do an actual medical evaluation and check patient history against past drugs tried for similar ailments, etc etc... You know, doing the doctor thing. I hate the term "pain management" because I've seen too many doctors lazily re-up scripts without a real follow-up. What the pharmaceutical industry has done to America has made me sick. Even with their actual advancements, they cheapen it by trying to get everyone on their meds with off label stuff.

I'd just prefer they legalize it as it appears the FDA has enough evidence to declare it as "harmless" as alcohol and nicotine. Then we won't have doctors involved and I'm fine with that. Of course, the pain management business will take a financial hit, because I know plenty of people who just can't do opiods but take them because that is primarily what doctors prescribe.

If the legal stigma were taken away, a private business (businesses) will step in with a clean product, inspected by some federal agency, and fill the void of the market. Crime from that drug will go down because the black market will cease to exist and you can't rob a Fortune 500 company unless you work there or on Wall Street.

More than you wanted and sorry for the delay in answering.
 
2012-03-15 10:00:04 PM  

MrBallou: Ow My Balls:
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You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?


Yes, they do. When you are laying in a hospital bed and do not have the ability to go outdoors to take your medication, there are "other" options.


Make fun of people is hospice care. Go ahead.
 
2012-03-15 10:47:33 PM  
This thread brings up very interesting points about vaporizers that could probably be applied to those who think they're being sneaky by getting their tobacco fixes that way.

Carry on.
 
2012-03-15 11:12:36 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: This thread brings up very interesting points about vaporizers that could probably be applied to those who think they're being sneaky by getting their tobacco fixes that way.

Carry on.


Huh? Explain.
 
2012-03-16 01:06:09 AM  
libs ban smoking in bars,

outraged over no smoking in hospitals
 
2012-03-16 04:10:56 AM  
The hospital is really missing the boat. If they charge you $30 for an aspirin , how much are they going to charge for a joint?
After all, they want to issue you all meds while you are treated there, to control dosage and make sure the doctor knows exactly when you are getting what medicines.
 
2012-03-16 01:02:36 PM  

Whodat: Referring to the Supreme Court as the "Rehnquist Court" belies no small amount of bias in that article. That aside, If the hospital accepts federal funds in any way then they are smart to follow federal policy. Smoking pot is not going to prolong your life. It may make it seem a bit more tolerable and mellow but not actually longer.


I'd argue that making the remaining life of a person with brain cancer a 'bit more tolerable' to be an entirely worthy effort.

Umfufu: It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


They do have it - look up 'Marinol'. However, it's about 100X the price per dose, and generally regarded as less effective than inhaled. There are compounds other than just THC, and some people think that they act either in parallel or sympathetically to the THC, increasing it's effectiveness and moderating some of the negative effects.

One of the least controversial uses of THC is in fighting the side effects of chemotherapy - nausea and loss of appetite. It makes marijuana's tendency to suppress appetite and stimulate hunger pretty much a 'perfect match'. Many are so badly effected that they can't keep anything down, making the pill useless(other drugs are sometimes administered as a suppository). Meanwhile, a shot of vaporized marijuana hits the bloodstream in seconds, making it's effects felt within minutes.

NewportBarGuy: Smoke vs. Vapor. Could be an interesting legal challenge.


Which is why I'd use the term 'fumes'; it's more generic. From what I've heard, vapor is less dangerous because it doesn't have the various nasty combustion products, maybe enough to be okay out in the rest of the world.

However, in a hospital context, administering your medicine in a way that exposes other patients to the drug is a no-no. If this hospital is indeed some sort of forerunner in the field of medical marijuanna study, it should probably have one or more rooms that are set up to handle said fumes. Seems simple to me - negative pressure, vent to the outside through a filter. Heck, most hospitals should have a room like this anyways for patients who are infected with drug resistant diseases.
 
2012-03-16 08:29:50 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: stuff unrelated


Was reading through and I'm not sure which post but I did want to say that edibles actually have a stronger and longer lasting "high" due to the majority of the chemicals remaining. If you are eating edibles from a dispensary then you should probably swtich as they are not giving you the proper dosages.

An edible that does not give you a strong, long lasting high may have even been made with vape weed droppings. Most of the CBN has been burned out leaving mostly THC which causes a different type of high and the levels so low that it's barely worth it.

Here's a decent study you can see for yourself. I bring my own references because I don't trust my old memory. :-)

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2012-03-16 08:31:33 PM  

WhoGAS: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: stuff unrelated

Was reading through and I'm not sure which post but I did want to say that edibles actually have a stronger and longer lasting "high" due to the majority of the chemicals remaining. If you are eating edibles from a dispensary then you should probably swtich as they are not giving you the proper dosages.

An edible that does not give you a strong, long lasting high may have even been made with vape weed droppings. Most of the CBN has been burned out leaving mostly THC which causes a different type of high and the levels so low that it's barely worth it.

Here's a decent study you can see for yourself. I bring my own references because I don't trust my old memory. :-)

Link (new window)


Damnit...I posted the wrong study...but that's a good one, too, for different "smoking" devices. I'll look for the other one...sorry.
 
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