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(Huffington Post)   Brain cancer patient thrown out of hospital because she used her medication. News: It was medical marijuana. Fark: Hospital has a no-smoking policy   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line 241
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2012-03-14 11:19:54 PM  
This is the compassion we can all expect to receive when we get old.
 
2012-03-14 11:27:40 PM  
Medicare should've paid for a vaporizer.

Oh, God, would I love to see the uproar in Congress over that.
 
2012-03-14 11:50:59 PM  
I came in here to suggest that with her condition, edibles might not deliver the drug soon enough for her, so

goatleggedfellow: Medicare should've paid for a vaporizer.


this.
 
2012-03-15 12:19:23 AM  
marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)
 
2012-03-15 12:27:18 AM  
She was using a vaporizer, so technically she wasn't "smoking".

However, even if she's in a private room, there's no way that they can keep the vapor fumes away from any hospital staff involved with her direct care, whether it's doctors or nurses, or the people who clean her room.

I fully understand & sympathize with what she's going through, but frankly she'd probably have less problems if she was in a hospice instead of a hospital setting.
 
2012-03-15 01:02:23 AM  

goatleggedfellow: Medicare should've paid for a vaporizer.

Oh, God, would I love to see the uproar in Congress over that.


I support this.
 
2012-03-15 01:03:33 AM  
I can't wait until this war on drugs BS ends and the people who support it are taken out and shot.
 
2012-03-15 01:12:11 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: She was using a vaporizer

Raich was at UCSF for tests and was using marijuana via a vaporizer


I hate you for making me read things. It's so much easier when I just assume, LIKE ALWAYS!

---

In a statement, UCSF said that their hospital is "a smoke-free campus and this includes medical marijuana."

"Any particles from vapor and odor could have an impact on other patients and hospital employees," the statement read. "Under federal and state law, a physician is at legal risk related to any activity that could be construed as prescribing medical marijuana to a patient."


Smoke vs. Vapor. Could be an interesting legal challenge.

Bold text: Any time a physician interacts with a patient he is at legal risk. What a broad definition. I'd love to see the case history of suits brought against doctors/hospitals for allowing the use of medical marijuana. No, not the "doctors" that sell prescriptions. Actual doctors at a hospital treating patients. Sounds like a manufactured fear. You have to actually show that the threat of a lawsuit or prosecution exists, you can't just make sh*t up.

Obviously, I am not a lawyer and look forward to those who are weighing in.
 
2012-03-15 01:20:01 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Obviously, I am not a lawyer and look forward to those who are weighing in.


I look forward to having sex, usually.
 
2012-03-15 01:23:49 AM  

doglover: I look forward to having sex, usually.


Well, that's the first 3 minutes. Then what?
 
2012-03-15 01:26:11 AM  

NewportBarGuy: doglover: I look forward to having sex, usually.

Well, that's the first 3 minutes. Then what?


The spankings.
 
2012-03-15 01:27:12 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I hate you for making me read things. It's so much easier when I just assume, LIKE ALWAYS!


You'll get over it. :-D
 
2012-03-15 01:38:15 AM  

NewportBarGuy: doglover: I look forward to having sex, usually.

Well, that's the first 3 minutes. Then what?


3? If I could finish in 3 minutes I'd change my fark handle to LongHaulLarry
 
2012-03-15 01:47:58 AM  

NewportBarGuy: the "doctors" that sell prescriptions.


A bit off topic, but is that how you consider it? Because the more I think about it, I like that. IIRC you have worked in a pharmacy? Do you consider doctors pitchmen for big pharma? I mean, I know they get tons of sample and used to get pens and t-shirts, but is that about all they are anymore? The car salesmen of pharmaceuticals?
 
2012-03-15 02:10:46 AM  
I aint gonna debate medical marijuana, that is not the point.

A lot of hospitals have no smoking policies due to various laws. The hospital could get in trouble for not adhering to said laws.
 
2012-03-15 02:22:23 AM  

cman: I aint gonna debate medical marijuana, that is not the point.

A lot of hospitals have no smoking policies due to various laws. The hospital could get in trouble for not adhering to said laws.


Oh, and before you go all "She was inhaling through vapors" on my ass, remember, that is how an ecigarette works, and many states treat ecigarettes the same way as they do regular cigarettes.
 
2012-03-15 02:37:44 AM  
Inhaling vapor (of various sorts) is a valid medical procedure. Vapor is not smoke. The hospital does not allow vapor inhaling procedures for throat / nasal / lung ailments?

/marijuana vapor is not pungent like marijuana smoke
 
2012-03-15 03:52:43 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.


Neither are antibiotics.

See how I can make an equally convincing argument?

I'm guessing you asked no one to respond because you know you're an idiot?
 
2012-03-15 03:55:31 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: However, even if she's in a private room, there's no way that they can keep the vapor fumes away from any hospital staff involved with her direct care, whether it's doctors or nurses, or the people who clean her room.


Does that mean we can't treat tuberculosis in hospitals?
 
2012-03-15 04:18:31 AM  
Couldn't she use a tincture instead? (not sure how fast it works)
 
2012-03-15 04:53:40 AM  

ShawnDoc: Couldn't she use a tincture instead? (not sure how fast it works)


That's what I was wondering. I'll admit I don't know jack about vaporizers but tincture should be OK as long as she doesn't tell them what it is.
 
2012-03-15 05:04:55 AM  

impaler: Bathia_Mapes: However, even if she's in a private room, there's no way that they can keep the vapor fumes away from any hospital staff involved with her direct care, whether it's doctors or nurses, or the people who clean her room.

Does that mean we can't treat tuberculosis in hospitals?


Nope. Away with you, beggars. Only gout is treated here.
 
2012-03-15 05:45:34 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)


lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-03-15 05:47:37 AM  
i471.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-15 05:55:21 AM  
We really need to educate the folks on what a vaporizer is and how they aren't dangerous for anyone.
 
2012-03-15 05:57:48 AM  

Kazan: (don't bother replying to me)


self entitled ?

fark you
 
2012-03-15 05:58:42 AM  
Yes hospitals treat resp pts eith vapor all the time, it's called a nebulizer and for the duration of the treatment it continuously emits a vapor weather you are sucking it or not. Does a mj vap do that? Or just when you exhale? Vapor ain't smoke. This mos def IS a med mj issue
/for the abbvs
// I support more slashies
 
2012-03-15 06:02:48 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-03-15 06:03:31 AM  
what a pioneer, fighting for the right of people to smoke in hospitals!
 
2012-03-15 06:03:43 AM  
You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.
 
Skr
2012-03-15 06:06:46 AM  
No-flame vapes should be allowed in the same vein as inhalers and nebulizers.
There should be no real issue against things like the "magic flight launch box." The scent of the vaped material is barely detectable and the blue vapor upon exhale is minimal (or non-existant depending on your skill.)

The portable vaporizers that need flame such as Vapor Genies take a bit of skill, and poor skill can lead to combustion and nasty smoke.


/It will great to get the demonization of cannabis into (and only in) the past.
//ABV would make for good brownies/butter for the sick folk as well.
 
2012-03-15 06:07:04 AM  

Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


They do, it's called Glycerine Tincture.
 
2012-03-15 06:08:31 AM  

Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


Not sure if trolling, but they do have one. But taking a pill for nausea is pretty hard to pull off. And the pill doesn't even work as well as the multiple compounds present in actual cannabis. It also makes people feel paranoid (yes worse than cannabis) probably due to the lack of CBD and like compounds.

But at least it's not a 'crude' product like MMJ.
 
2012-03-15 06:08:57 AM  
I love weed and I enjoy my Volcano vaporizer, but you don't know a thing about a weed vaporizer if you think it doesn't create smoke. Once you crank the temperature dial more than 1/3, you can clearly see smoke in the bag. I side with the hospital on this one.
 
2012-03-15 06:09:29 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


You are correct, but don't expect to be popular with the druggie lobby on Fark.
 
2012-03-15 06:10:45 AM  
 
2012-03-15 06:12:25 AM  

cman: cman: I aint gonna debate medical marijuana, that is not the point.

A lot of hospitals have no smoking policies due to various laws. The hospital could get in trouble for not adhering to said laws.

Oh, and before you go all "She was inhaling through vapors" on my ass, remember, that is how an ecigarette works, and many states treat ecigarettes the same way as they do regular cigarettes.


That is not a positive argument. It makes no more sense to treat vapor the same as smoke than it does to treat vitamin C pills the same as orange juice. There's a reason that "smoke" and "vapor" are different words. It's because they have difference meanings.
 
2012-03-15 06:15:35 AM  

Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


They do. It's called Marinol. It's synthetic THC which comes in pill form and it doesn't work as well as the natural stuff does. The theory I subscribe to says that one of the other cannabinoids besides THC is responsible for the stomach-settling and hunger-enhancing effects, and only THC is present in the synthetic version.
 
2012-03-15 06:15:37 AM  
I can see why the hospital might have a problem with this. Once the smoke or vapor is in the air, it's rather hard to control. She should find another way to take her medicine.
 
2012-03-15 06:18:51 AM  

Atomic Spunk: I love weed and I enjoy my Volcano vaporizer, but you don't know a thing about a weed vaporizer if you think it doesn't create smoke. Once you crank the temperature dial more than 1/3, you can clearly see smoke in the bag. I side with the hospital on this one.


If your vaporizer is producing smoke, you're doing something very wrong. That substance you're describing is "smoke" like fog is "smoke". By which I mean it isn't.
 
2012-03-15 06:24:28 AM  
kicking a cancer patient out of the hospital? that's nice. why didnt they just go outside the back door? who lights up anything IN a hospital, that;s just asking for trouble...

/obviously
 
2012-03-15 06:25:14 AM  

Dadoody: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 330x291]


Power tripping.

Once you get to that age when you cannot "get it up", pushing the little guy around is how you get your 'jollies'.
 
2012-03-15 06:27:46 AM  

Umfufu: You figure with all the medicinal qualities of marijuana, you think they'd come up with a better way to ingest it, you know, like a conventional medication?

It may not be as "cool" to take a marijuana pill, but you'd figure they have one.


My grandmother used to tell me not to masturbate it will make you go blind.
Also to not smoke pot, its bad for you.

She is blind (glaucoma) and ingests THC pills.

Ingesting takes AGES to take effect, smoking is almost instant. Inhaling vapour even more so.

You cant overdose smoking, you can ingesting.
 
2012-03-15 06:28:12 AM  

Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.


(don't bother replying to me)


x
 
2012-03-15 06:32:19 AM  

Ow My Balls: [i471.photobucket.com image 428x326]


We don't need to see your buttplug collection.
 
2012-03-15 06:35:07 AM  

untaken_name: Atomic Spunk: I love weed and I enjoy my Volcano vaporizer, but you don't know a thing about a weed vaporizer if you think it doesn't create smoke. Once you crank the temperature dial more than 1/3, you can clearly see smoke in the bag. I side with the hospital on this one.

If your vaporizer is producing smoke, you're doing something very wrong. That substance you're describing is "smoke" like fog is "smoke". By which I mean it isn't.


It's smoke. No, I'm not doing anything wrong. Yes, it produces vapor but it's also producing smoke. Super-heated air is pushed through dried organic material and the byproduct is nothing but fog and vapor? Don't be a dick, just call it what it is.
 
2012-03-15 06:37:32 AM  

Descartes: Kazan: marijuana is not medicine.

smoking (anything) in a hospital is not acceptable.

You are correct, but don't expect to be popular with the druggie lobby on Fark.



Why is it not medicine?
If you have brain cancer, and nothing else will -

-Take the pain away
-Stimulate your appetite
-Reduce/Remove nausea

Why is it not medicine? Would you care to dismount that very tall (and quite stoned) equine and share with the rest of us?

IIRC Marinol doesn't seem to work as well, and another attempt should be made at a pharmaceutical preparation (more than just THC) and delivery system (inhaler perhaps?), but for now it seems not a lot else works for some folks.
 
2012-03-15 06:39:08 AM  
Atomic Spunk, what untaken_name says. You are doing it wrong. Your vaporizer is running too hot if you are singing the bud.
 
2012-03-15 06:40:49 AM  
Ow My Balls:
i471.photobucket.com

You've got to be shiatting me, so to speak.

Forgive my innocence, but do people really do this?
 
2012-03-15 06:41:53 AM  
And by singing, I mean singeing.
 
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