Uchiha_Cycliste: What about the painfully racists? You know the ones, the real, honest-to-god hateful of minorities or other religions and assured in their own supremecy. In my mind they don't deserve another chance.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but couldn't a racist also be honest-to-god hateful of the majority? This is the position that white supremacists will occupy once whites are no longer the majority. I contend that the implication that minorities cannot be racist (or, if they are, only against other minorities) is, itself, racist.

GeneralJim: With all the impotent rage expressed here, I could gut your asses if we met, and call it even.

GeneralJim: Occam's razor suggests that someone with the self-loathing "you all" share would try to puff themselves up in some way. ITG, and all.

GeneralJim: Such hate-filled, bad-spirited, and in some cases goddam mentally unstable bullshiat.

And you wonder why people accuse you of projection. I also doubt you could gut a fish.

GeneralJim: If someone discusses things politely with me, they get polite responses.

No they don't. Damnhippyfreak remained and remains rather polite to you. Disagreeing, but polite. You ended up pouring out most of your rage on him more than anybody else, saying, and I quote:

GeneralJim: You know, Mojo is a stalker jackass, but you really are the least honest, most condescending, and generally just UGLY-spirited of all the warmer alarmist gang.

The Jim that exists in your delusions and the thin-skinned, rage-filled Jim that exists in the rest of the world are two very different people. You think you can be polite to people that are disagreeing but polite to you. You can't. You're incapable of it. Even when somebody calmly and politely engages in a disagreement with you, your reaction is to label him the worst of all of us who oppose you.

Actually, I'd venture (and have ventured) that you do it for precisely that reason. Your inability to have a "fight" to "fight back" against (we see you use the "I'm only fighting back" excuse in the very post I'm responding to) infuriates you, because you're unable to couch your rage in any sort of justification for it. You're being thoroughly debunked by everybody around you, but unlike myself, unlike HighZoolander, unlike chimp_ninja, unlike Jon Snow, unlike Zafler -- all parties guilty of getting sick of your pathological bullshiat -- Damnhippyfreak remained courteous, engaging you on the points at hand.

And unlike the aforementioned "guilty" parties, where you could rage and go on demented tirades, paragraph after green paragraph of invective, always guaranteed to have absolutely none of that text deal with the debunking at hand, always guaranteed to deflect into irrelevancies instead of dealing with the fact that you're repeating lie after lie, you can't do that with Dhf.

So no, Jim, again. The you that exists in your head and the you that lives and breathes in the real world are two very different people.

Dr. Mojo PhD:

Srsly, when will science ever catch up to that?
*caution: use of the word science is not meant to represent actual science

This is so funny. You have picked what is probably the best ad for the Urantia Book that exists in it, and are using that to disparage it.

For those who might be interested...

The UB says that the body of Jesus was "sped up" to decompose in a fraction of a second, instead of months. This was because it was considered unseemly for His body to be in a state of physical corruption, and it made the onlookers queasy, for lack of a better word. What that means is that all of the heat release that takes place when a body decomposes came off at once, and with the time speed-up, the frequency of what would have been infrared energy from the decomposition was now at UV (or higher) frequency.

Now, I'll grant you that their explanation is more than a little weird. This was published about 1935 in single copy. It was printed and bound, and a copy was placed in the Library of Congress in 1955, and not changed, except for typos being corrected, since.

Now let US speed time up, and we find that recently, scientist have found the image to be troubling. There are a metric ass-load of religious fakes, and they were all manufactured with technology available at the time they were created, of course. But the image on the Shroud of Turin is different. It is not paint, nor is it carbon, as in a pencil or a piece of coal. The image is formed by the threads of the cloth itself being carbonized. But they are carbonized in a strange way - only on the outside of the threads. Recently, scientists have been able to make an image similar to the one on the Shroud. HERE'S THE ARTICLE. (new window)

They managed to make an image similar to that on the Shroud, after all this time. And, the way they finally made an image with the same properties is to burn it into linen (like the shroud) with UV lasers. To the best of my knowledge, medieval relic hoaxers didn't have access to UV lasers.

And, the image has another odd property. It's a 3-D image. Not only is it a 3-D image but the image "works" as 3-D if it is assumed that the image was made on a cloth draped over the figure, and the "depth" of the image is directly proportional to body mass and distance. In other words, if the flesh of a body were to give off UV (or higher frequency) radiation equally from each gram of body mass, and then attenuate based on the distance from the cloth, you get EXACTLY the image on the Shroud. And, of course, it is a photo-negative image.

Intrigued with the image, and unaware (at that time) of how the image was made, computer scientists in the 1960s attempted to produce a similar 3-D image, one that "pops," as it were, using a computer and printer. They WERE able to make a 3-D, roughly man-shaped image, but it was not shaped like a body. It was shaped like a cardboard cut-out of a human body, that is, all the same thickness, and a few inches high. We can, of course, make an image that will pop like the one on the shroud NOW.

So, to believe the Shroud to be a medieval fake, one has to believe that the hoaxers generated a 3-D image that was beyond the technology of the 1960s, made it photo-negative, and then burned it onto the linen with UV or X-Ray lasers. Really? I think the resurrection story is easier to believe.

And, the interesting point, to me, is that the Urantia Book was NOT talking about the Shroud specifically, but was talking about what happened to the body of Jesus in the tomb. And, their story absolutely REQUIRES all the odd facts about the shroud -- facts which were discovered more than a decade later, in every case, with the exception of the photo-negative bit. According to the UB, Jesus' shroud would HAVE to have an image burned into it by high-frequency electromagnetic radiation, and the image would HAVE to be proportional to the mass and distance of his flesh from the cloth. In other words, Jesus' burial cloth would HAVE to be just like the Shroud of Turin, and this was stated long before what kind of image was on the Shroud of Turin was known.

As before, I ask: Okay, assume it is a fake. How was it made, and by whom?

Uchiha_Cycliste:

Tl;dr

M'Kay, I'll keep it short for the ADHD crowd: That's why you're an ass.

Gunther:

GeneralJim: I could gut your asses if we met, and call it even.

It's everyone else that's filled with irrational hate though, right?

Wow! ANOTHER person who can read minds. You don't get it. Again. That's NOT a desire I'm expressing, it's just what it would take to balance the scales.

To figure what people are thinking, look at what they do. Do YOU think it's normal to keep a file on hand of someone's posts, with times, and develop complex conspiracy theories based on the timing of posts?

Personally, I think that's sick. And, none of you jerks do more than mildly irritate me. I find this pretty amusing, most times. Yesterday was a big day, as I found out how incredibly limited the knowledge of the weasel squad is. Like, for example, not knowing what negative feedback is. And yet, they'll try to copypasta me into silence with all sorts of stuff from papers they simply cannot understand, other than at the "magic juju" level. Weird.

Uchiha_Cycliste:

GeneralJim: common sense is an oxymoron: GeneralJim: Gotta love desperately vicious personal attacks. It certainly proves I'm pissing off the right assholes.

As a mentally deficient, semiliterate, obsessive, hyperreligious, copypasta-flinging alt-monkey, I concur.

Now, see? This is progress. Acknowledging your limitations is the first step to overcoming them.

Lies, insults, projects.

Well, YOU'RE a disappointment -- not that I didn't expect it.

HighZoolander:

GeneralJim: On the AGW issue, as an example, I know that AGW is falsified, by simple application of scientific principles.

This word 'falsified' - I do not think it means what you think it means.

Also, you do not think it means what you think it means:

Link (new window)

Okay, that link is to a list of what I believe. That has, I might point out, nothing to do with falsification. Sorry, I'm all out of "dumb" jokes -- I've used 'em all. When I find some new ones, I'll save one for you, okay?

Dr. Mojo PhD:

Uchiha_Cycliste: For some reason it's kinda painful; I feel bad about it.

Don't worry, it's because you have a conscience. The guy needs help coping with his rage, thin skin, and paranoia -- not a soapbox for it.

You know, it really is too bad I'm not an attention whore. Man, I'd have jizzed a dozen times by now if I got off on it...

Not that I haven't debunked this already, but if there's one thing Jim is known for, it's repeating lies.

GeneralJim: They managed to make an image similar to that on the Shroud, after all this time. And, the way they finally made an image with the same properties is to burn it into linen (like the shroud) with UV lasers. To the best of my knowledge, medieval relic hoaxers didn't have access to UV lasers.

...

So, to believe the Shroud to be a medieval fake, one has to believe that the hoaxers generated a 3-D image that was beyond the technology of the 1960s, made it photo-negative, and then burned it onto the linen with UV or X-Ray lasers.

This is outright false, as has been already pointed out to you:

I mention this because today, we report that a group of scientists - working, unexpectedly, for the Italian sustainable energy agency ENEA - claim that the marks on the cloth may have been made by ultraviolet radiation. [Note: originally I quoted them as saying it could "only" have been made by UV. Dr Paolo Di Lazzaro of ENEA has emailed to say that's not the case, so I've updated it.]

Jim wishes to deliberately misrepresent one method of recreating the shroud as the only method of recreating the shroud.

This is equivalent to suggesting the Bayeux tapestry was a miracle from God because people can simulate images with it in Photoshop, and they didn't have Photoshop in 1070 AD. Patent nonsense, of course, that no right-thinking man would even attempt to espouse, but he's eager to try that line anyway.

GeneralJim: Not only is it a 3-D image but the image "works" as 3-D if it is assumed that the image was made on a cloth draped over the figure, and the "depth" of the image is directly proportional to body mass and distance. In other words, if the flesh of a body were to give off UV (or higher frequency) radiation equally from each gram of body mass, and then attenuate based on the distance from the cloth, you get EXACTLY the image on the Shroud.

This is also outright false, and has also been explained to you.

A two-dimensional plane will, when wrapped around a 3D object, distort the object in question. In computer graphics, this is called UV mapping. A UV map for an average representation of a man will look like this:


Notice the distortion on the cheeks and forehead, as this flat image needs to be mapped to a 3D representation.

Instead the image on the shroud looks like this:

You will notice a complete lack of distortion of the features.

To make this a genuine representation of a 3D object, the shroud would not be able to be wrapped around the body, as one does with a burial shroud, but rather held flat above the body, like film in a camera:


So you've managed to try to claim that because modern methods can reproduce ancient ones, coupled with your fundamental misunderstanding of how texture mapping works, proves your UFO cult is the real deal. Welp. Can't help you there, Jim, you're just farking crazy.

HighZoolander:

He's also melted down a few times when pushed hard enough. If he's an actor, he's extremely convincing. But I think Dr. Mojo has him pegged about exactly right

Yeah, because we all know how reliable diagnosing someone you have never met from text messages on Fark is. After all, he has BOTH "Dr." and "PhD" in his name. Sounds legit.

Why don't you ask a professional about making such claims of mental illness in others? I mean, a professional with perhaps a "Dr." and "PhD" that came from an accredited institute of learning, rather than from signing on to Fark. I strongly doubt any of them will say that this is a reasonable way to do a diagnosis, even when done by someone who is NOT fapping in their parents' basement while they diagnose.

GeneralJim: Do YOU think it's normal to keep a file on hand of someone's posts, with times, and develop complex conspiracy theories based on the timing of posts?

Personally, I think that's sick.

You should write to Drew Curtis of Drew Curtis' FARK.com, the website you're currently posting on, and tell him that because Fark keeps a record of everybody's posts, including the time and date they made them, you think his servers must be "sick". Maybe they have a virus.

GeneralJim: Yeah, because we all know how reliable diagnosing someone you have never met from text messages on Fark is.

Why don't you ask a professional about making such claims of mental illness in others?

Claims such as this?

GeneralJim: The reason I can tell? There are common cognitive disorders. Your brains all malfunction in the same way. That is rather amazingly unlikely.

Again I ask:

Dr. Mojo PhD: like all insane people, is your internal morality such that whatever behaviour is convenient for your argument is the ethics du jour for you?

Or perhaps you can get around to explaining what about not meeting you in person impedes an observation of your personality. Do your wild gesticulations matter that much? Not really. Maybe it's the colour of your eyes. Or your hair. Or its length.

You know, you never got around to answering that point when confronted on the claim from the previous thread. Of course, you also never got around to explaining what about you believe makes you "special" and unbound by the social norms you expect from others. That's because you're insane.

Dr. Mojo PhD:

The Jim that exists in your delusions and the thin-skinned, rage-filled Jim that exists in the rest of the world are two very different people. You think you can be polite to people that are disagreeing but polite to you. You can't. You're incapable of it. Even when somebody calmly and politely engages in a disagreement with you, your reaction is to label him the worst of all of us who oppose you.

"Exists in the rest of the world?" You are a black belt in dipshiat, aren't you? Lest anyone get the wrong impression, I have never met you. You are calling Fark "the rest of the world?"

And, as I've mentioned before, YOU CANNOT READ MINDS. As a matter of fact, as your "assistant" in this, I can tell you you have a record completely unblemished by success. You simply MUST be projecting. I am frequently laughing when I reply, especially to you, and I have to admit that I often troll you to see how far I can get you to wrap yourself around the axle. Geez, you are SUCH a predictable bonehead. Go to bed, little boy. And wipe the spittle off your monitor before you shut off the computer.

libranoelrose:

Dr. Mojo PhD: I'm assuming you do this for fun.

Define "fun." He's a stalker, plain and simple. Holy crap, you should SEE some of the convoluted conspiracy theories he develops. I go take a dump, and it's proof that I ... well, to tell you the truth, I often have no IDEA what conspiracy he's even accusing me of being a part of. When he REALLY gets going, trying to follow one of his posts gives me a headache. I'll start thinking, "Wow, he seems so certain, maybe I AM being paid by the oil companies..." and then I look at my check account on line.... DAMMIT! Not a freaking penny.

Gyrfalcon:

GeneralJim is the Bevets of the global warming issue. He only shows up to do his cutnpasta graphs & rote blather when there is any scintilla of a climate change argument; otherwise he is content to hide under his rock and suck his toes.

He's probably just one of those yelling-at-clouds curmudgeons with nothing else left to live for; it's pathetic, really, to think of him having orgasms as he trots out his tired and debunked arguments against climate change, feeling he's fighting the good fight against the heathens.

If it wasn't for the Internet, he'd have been put down long ago, or been relegated to the park bench or freeway underpass with his bottle of Old Overcoat where he belongs.

See? You jerks should take a lesson from this guy. At least he puts a bit of HUMOR into it. It makes all the difference in the world.

GeneralJim: Dr. Mojo PhD: The Jim that exists in your delusions and the thin-skinned, rage-filled Jim that exists in the rest of the world are two very different people. You think you can be polite to people that are disagreeing but polite to you. You can't. You're incapable of it. Even when somebody calmly and politely engages in a disagreement with you, your reaction is to label him the worst of all of us who oppose you.

"Exists in the rest of the world?" You are a black belt in dipshiat, aren't you? Lest anyone get the wrong impression, I have never met you. You are calling Fark "the rest of the world?"

And, as I've mentioned before, YOU CANNOT READ MINDS. As a matter of fact, as your "assistant" in this, I can tell you you have a record completely unblemished by success. You simply MUST be projecting. I am frequently laughing when I reply, especially to you, and I have to admit that I often troll you to see how far I can get you to wrap yourself around the axle. Geez, you are SUCH a predictable bonehead. Go to bed, little boy. And wipe the spittle off your monitor before you shut off the computer.

You will notice again, as predicted in the very post Jim was replying to:

Dr. Mojo PhD: And unlike the aforementioned "guilty" parties, where you could rage and go on demented tirades, paragraph after green paragraph of invective, always guaranteed to have absolutely none of that text deal with the debunking at hand, always guaranteed to deflect into irrelevancies instead of dealing with the fact that you're repeating lie after lie, you can't do that with Dhf.

You'll also notice the mirroring behaviour mentioned in this post:

Dr. Mojo PhD: the mirroring (copying others' tones, behaviours, and arguments)

I predict his behaviour will engage in avoidance and deflection. He does exactly that, failing to even once address his treatment of Damnhippyfreak vis-a-vis his statement that he will treat politely those who treat him politely (you will notice he removes any mention of Dhf and his original statement from the reply), instead rambling about "mind reading", which has nothing to do with the main argument of my post.

Ironically, for a person as horrible at mind reading as I am, it's interesting that I'm able to accurately predict the very method by which he'd reply to me. Of course, that isn't mind reading, it's pattern recognition.

He then goes on to claim I'm predictable in response to a post that predicted the very behaviour that would evince itself in his reply. The really amusing thing is he likely isn't even aware on any conscious level of this; it's simply his pathological coping mechanisms kicking in to shelter his fragile ego.

GeneralJim: and then I look at my check account on line.... DAMMIT! Not a freaking penny.

You sound poor. Most people have at least a penny in their checking account.

libranoelrose:

See this is one of those threads I don't know how to make sens of.

Gyrfalcon is also kind of a dick.

Oh, don't be so tough on him. At least it's a bit funny... More than I can say for SOME. "Creepy stalker" is no substitute for "amusing insults." I mean, Gyrfalcon isn't ALL that funny, but at least he's putting a bit of effort into making his posts amusing, and that's got to be worth something.

GeneralJim: Holy crap, you should SEE some of the convoluted conspiracy theories he develops.

You should keep in mind that this is the same Jim that thinks myself and several others are all alts of each other, based on the same "you never met me and made a mental diagnosis anyway" mentality he decries in others:

GeneralJim: I do like when I mentioned that Envoy was probably one of Monkey Boy's alts -- He blubblered something to the effect of "How could you say that? We use different syntax and word choices." Yeah, that is EXACTLY what someone would say if falsely accused... "How could you tell? I used different syntax and word choices" is more like it.

The reason I can tell? There are common cognitive disorders. Your brains all malfunction in the same way. That is rather amazingly unlikely. Occam's razor suggests that someone with the self-loathing "you all" share would try to puff themselves up in some way. ITG, and all. Or, become a one-man crowd, and get a giant circle-suck going, all agreeing on the bad man who actually presents real science, and points out the LACK of it on your side, despite all the organizations of scientists who support you.

...And when we went and snapped photos of our plates with little personalized messages to Jim, from Ontario, the UK, and Nevada, claimed that we had a personal army at our disposal available simply to persecute him, to wit:

GeneralJim: So, wherever you are, you found what appears to be an Ontario Plate. Congratulations. Naturally, those are found ONLY in Ontario. And, of course, there's no way that someone else could take a photo in the world and get it to you within an hour or two. Mail delivery takes weeks, right? This is really funny in a guilty pleasure sort of way.

It is, admittedly, a little fascinating watching a tiny example of Freudian defence mechanisms run amok. Projection and denial, projection and denial, repeated ad nauseam. It's like watching a lab rat run a maze in its hypnotic display of animal behaviour. You know what the rat's going to do, but you watch it anyway, fascinated by the wonderful order underlying the world. Even Jim's insanity, for all the chaos it likely causes in everything his carcinogenic personality injects itself into, has an order to it, a method to the madness, if you will. In this case, it's the self-preservation attempts of a mind that has no underlying belief in its own capacity or position in the world desperately and constantly attempting to reassure itself it does.

Dr. Mojo PhD:

I mention this because today, we report that a group of scientists - working, unexpectedly, for the Italian sustainable energy agency ENEA - claim that the marks on the cloth may have been made by ultraviolet radiation. [Note: originally I quoted them as saying it could "only" have been made by UV. Dr Paolo Di Lazzaro of ENEA has emailed to say that's not the case, so I've updated it.]

Jim wishes to deliberately misrepresent one method of recreating the shroud as the only method of recreating the shroud.

Once again, you're lying your ass off. Let's take a look, and see what I wrote about it... I wrote "They managed to make an image similar to that on the Shroud, after all this time. And, the way they finally made an image with the same properties is to burn it into linen (like the shroud) with UV lasers." Nothing in there about it being the only way. I was quite precise and accurate. It IS, however, the only way that anyone has found to duplicate it so far. Another loss for the creepy stalker.

Dr. Mojo PhD:

Jim wishes to . . .

A simple rule... when any sentence you speak or write starts with the words above, the entire sentence is bullshiat.

You cannot read minds. You don't know what I "wish" unless I tell you. And, as I pointed out in my immediately previous comment, you are not even reading what I wrote correctly. You are a liar, or delusional. From a distance, I cannot tell which.

GeneralJim: Dr. Mojo PhD: GeneralJim: They managed to make an image similar to that on the Shroud, after all this time. And, the way they finally made an image with the same properties is to burn it into linen (like the shroud) with UV lasers. To the best of my knowledge, medieval relic hoaxers didn't have access to UV lasers.

...

So, to believe the Shroud to be a medieval fake, one has to believe that the hoaxers generated a 3-D image that was beyond the technology of the 1960s, made it photo-negative, and then burned it onto the linen with UV or X-Ray lasers.

This is outright false, as has been already pointed out to you:

I mention this because today, we report that a group of scientists - working, unexpectedly, for the Italian sustainable energy agency ENEA - claim that the marks on the cloth may have been made by ultraviolet radiation. [Note: originally I quoted them as saying it could "only" have been made by UV. Dr Paolo Di Lazzaro of ENEA has emailed to say that's not the case, so I've updated it.]

Jim wishes to deliberately misrepresent one method of recreating the shroud as the only method of recreating the shroud.

Once again, you're lying your ass off. Let's take a look, and see what I wrote about it... I wrote "They managed to make an image similar to that on the Shroud, after all this time. And, the way they finally made an image with the same properties is to burn it into linen (like the shroud) with UV lasers." Nothing in there about it being the only way. I was quite precise and accurate. It IS, however, the only way that anyone has found to duplicate it so far. Another loss for the creepy stalker.

Well, nothing in there for it being the only way, except for the part where you explicitly said it was the only way, including where I quoted it in the post you're replying to, which you deleted from the reply, and which I've subsequently taken the liberty of restoring, underlining, and bolding (something an honest man such as yourself should take no issue with, one would assume).

Again, seriously, the insanity is absolutely fascinating. The grandiosity and brazen level of bald-face lying he thinks he can get away with -- and the automatic reliance on it -- is so profound as to approach the absurd, yet he does it anyway. That's how automatic pathological lying is as a defence mechanism to the personality disordered individual.

GeneralJim: libranoelrose: See this is one of those threads I don't know how to make sens of.

Gyrfalcon is also kind of a dick.
Oh, don't be so tough on him. At least it's a bit funny... More than I can say for SOME. "Creepy stalker" is no substitute for "amusing insults." I mean, Gyrfalcon isn't ALL that funny, but at least he's putting a bit of effort into making his posts amusing, and that's got to be worth something.

Look at this, an entire thread devoted to His Greenness!

And the Urantia Book... Wow, I had missed that development.

Hey, does the Urantia Book talk about taking giant steaming dumps on the memory of dead Iranians? Anything about gleefully disgracing the sacrifices made by student protestors?

For anyone not up to speed, ask GJ pretty please for the REAL reason for the green text.

Just have a vomit pail nearby for when you realize that he is *proud* of urinating on the memory of those who died for freedom.

Gyrfalcon: And here I thought at first it was "CO2 makes me look FART" and was going to say, Well, FINALLY someone figured that one out...

and a funny post in the thread :)

yaay

mind you the rest of this thread is interesting...hmm

Uchiha_Cycliste: GeneralJim: common sense is an oxymoron: GeneralJim: Gotta love desperately vicious personal attacks. It certainly proves I'm pissing off the right assholes.

As a mentally deficient, semiliterate, obsessive, hyperreligious, copypasta-flinging alt-monkey, I concur.
Now, see? This is progress. Acknowledging your limitations is the first step to overcoming them.

Lies, insults, projects.

Truly one of a kind.

Dr. Mojo PhD:

You will notice a complete lack of distortion of the features.

To make this a genuine representation of a 3D object, the shroud would not be able to be wrapped around the body, as one does with a burial shroud, but rather held flat above the body, like film in a camera:
oi42.tinypic.com

So you've managed to try to claim that because modern methods can reproduce ancient ones, coupled with your fundamental misunderstanding of how texture mapping works, proves your UFO cult is the real deal. Welp. Can't help you there, Jim, you're just farking crazy.

First off, let me say how nice it is to find someone as religiously bigoted and hateful as you are to disparage one's beliefs. Normally, I'd have to go out of my way to find a KKK meeting to find someone as bigoted as yourself, and I appreciate avoiding the drive.

Any time you make a point, I just know I can count on your ignorance. In this case, the ignorance of ancient burial practice. This is actually a bit more understandable than some of your other areas of ignorance. So, let me tell you about it...

The ancient Jews embalmed bodies, rather than burying them. They were ritually cleaned, slathered with oil and herbs, and wrapped up in bandage a couple of inches wide, looking like a mummy -- Jewish funereal customs were, in part, based upon Egyptian practices. The body was then wrapped (in a manner of speaking) with the burial cloth.

But, the "wrapping" in the burial cloth was simply placing the cloth on the shelf, placing the body on the cloth, and bringing the cloth over the head. There were two major approaches. The "classy" way was to have a burial cloth about a meter wide, and just over twice as long as the deceased was tall. The body was placed with the feet at one end of the cloth, and the cloth was pulled over the head, and simply placed on the body. This is what happened with Jesus. The other method was to use two shorter cloths, which were either used one over and one under the body, or folded as in the first method, with one cloth going over the head, and the other over the feet, and meeting somewhere near the abdomen. Following is a diagram of the FIRST method:



The cloth used for Jesus was donated by a very rich man, and it was very fine linen, and quite thick and stiff. It would have been of about the consistency of double burlap (although MUCH smoother) and would not have draped to cover the fine features as a cotton sheet would, for example. Imagine folding a slip-and-slide over someone... It would have a cross-section something like an arc, and would look much like the picture above in the case of Jesus, given the very stiff cloth. The burial cloths were NOT wrapped around the body, other than over the head. So, it would present to the radiation more like a flat surface than a wrapped supple cloth.

Dear author of this 'research':



/I can hear the climatologists saying "YOU'RE NOT HELPING!"

GeneralJim: Dr. Mojo PhD: Jim wishes to . . .
A simple rule... when any sentence you speak or write starts with the words above, the entire sentence is bullshiat.

You cannot read minds. You don't know what I "wish" unless I tell you. And, as I pointed out in my immediately previous comment, you are not even reading what I wrote correctly. You are a liar, or delusional. From a distance, I cannot tell which.

This mind-reading thing is sort of an obsession with you, isn't it?

Dr. Mojo PhD:

So you've managed to try to claim that because modern methods can reproduce ancient ones, coupled with your fundamental misunderstanding of how texture mapping works, proves your UFO cult is the real deal. Welp. Can't help you there, Jim, you're just farking crazy.

Don't even YOU think it odd that it took scientists until this year to figure out how to create an image with the same properties as the one on the Shroud of Turin? I mean none of the huge number of fake religious articles has been this hard to figure out. A dab of paint, a couple of drops of pig's blood, a few lines drawn and shaded with charcoal, and Bob's your uncle. The Shroud is different.

You seem content to have medieval forgers using UV lasers to make their hoax relics. Really? And if not UV lasers, then HOW did they manage to make a phony image by carbonizing only the outside of the fibers? And, how did they make this image be a 3-D reconstruction more sophisticated than our best computer technology of the 1960s? I'll wait.

Dr. Mojo PhD:

, proves your UFO cult is the real deal.

You keep saying that. The Urantia Book has nothing to do with UFOs. Is this some sort of cognitive problem with you?

The Shroud of Turin wharrgarbl is a refreshing change from the usual climate change wharrgarbl.

Dr. Mojo PhD:

You should write to Drew Curtis of Drew Curtis' FARK.com, the website you're currently posting on, and tell him that because Fark keeps a record of everybody's posts, including the time and date they made them, you think his servers must be "sick". Maybe they have a virus.

This is a stupid comparison, even for you. Fark archives its content You sit in your basement supervillain lair, tracking my posts, writing down the times, plotting timelines for GOD knows what purpose... and that's the same. Riiiiiight.


You can't escape Mojo!
I even know when you poop!

Dr. Mojo PhD:

Or perhaps you can get around to explaining what about not meeting you in person impedes an observation of your personality. Do your wild gesticulations matter that much? Not really. Maybe it's the colour of your eyes. Or your hair. Or its length.

Wild gesticulations? As to WHY it's unwise, as I say, ask a professional. And, while you're there....

You know, you never got around to answering that point when confronted on the claim from the previous thread. Of course, you also never got around to explaining what about you believe makes you "special" and unbound by the social norms you expect from others. That's because you're insane.

Okay, you're off in babble mode again. WTF are you talking about? "That point?" Do you have the exact time of that post? *SNERK*

What does " what about you believe makes you 'special'" mean? And, do you pay rent on that axle you're wrapped around? You're there an awful lot.

James F. Campbell: This thread is remarkably shorter with certain persons ignored. Indeed, it's astounding.

Not every lone voice crying in the wilderness has a grasp on some horrible truth that the rest of us mere mortals have so far scoffed at or been unable to perceive. Some of them are just crackpot whackjobs.

The usual suspects.

CO₂ doesn't cause idiocy, but idiocy follows CO₂.

See-Oh-Two: Is there anything with which it cannot be conflated?

/Hockey stick graphs and fat butts, oh my!
//Step One: Discredit and/or attack the authors of the paper or study.

GeneralJim: That's NOT a desire I'm expressing, it's just what it would take to balance the scales.

Wow; you really are crazy, aren't you?

You think murdering us would "balance the scales" for us arguing with you on Fark. All this time, I thought you just had a couple of nutty beliefs, but no: you are genuinely not sane.

Now I feel kinda bad for laughing at you all this time. Get help, man.

GeneralJim: You know, you never got around to answering that point when confronted on the claim from the previous thread. Of course, you also never got around to explaining what about you believe makes you "special" and unbound by the social norms you expect from others. That's because you're insane.


Okay, you're off in babble mode again. WTF are you talking about? "That point?" Do you have the exact time of that post? *SNERK*

I'd bet it does have the exact time of that post. The Aspergers/autism spectrum illness compels it (trolls are genderless, no?) to keep insanely detailed records of all human interactions.

Gunther: Wow; you really are crazy, aren't you?

You think murdering us would "balance the scales" for us arguing with you on Fark. All this time, I thought you just had a couple of nutty beliefs, but no: you are genuinely not sane.

Now I feel kinda bad for laughing at you all this time. Get help, man.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

GeneralJim: Gunther: GeneralJim: I could gut your asses if we met, and call it even.

It's everyone else that's filled with irrational hate though, right?

Wow! ANOTHER person who can read minds. You don't get it. Again. That's NOT a desire I'm expressing, it's just what it would take to balance the scales.

To figure what people are thinking, look at what they do. Do YOU think it's normal to keep a file on hand of someone's posts, with times, and develop complex conspiracy theories based on the timing of posts?

Personally, I think that's sick. And, none of you jerks do more than mildly irritate me. I find this pretty amusing, most times. Yesterday was a big day, as I found out how incredibly limited the knowledge of the weasel squad is. Like, for example, not knowing what negative feedback is. And yet, they'll try to copypasta me into silence with all sorts of stuff from papers they simply cannot understand, other than at the "magic juju" level. Weird.

If your walls of insults, denial, and world-class projection are the result of mild irritation, what happens when you get pissed off?

Sorry to interrupt the lovely global warming and/or climate change ... discussion... but I would just like to point out this gem from TFA:

However, they did not include methane gas emissions from flatulent large people, despite evidence about cows contributing to greenhouse gases.

Said in all seriousness, apparently! It made my morning that some author felt the need to insert that piece of information about why they did not look at the effect of fat people's farts on climate change, with an obvious comparison of fat people to cows.

/back to your regularly scheduled fight debate

GeneralJim: Dr. Mojo PhD: You should write to Drew Curtis of Drew Curtis' FARK.com, the website you're currently posting on, and tell him that because Fark keeps a record of everybody's posts, including the time and date they made them, you think his servers must be "sick". Maybe they have a virus.
This is a stupid comparison, even for you. Fark archives its content You sit in your basement supervillain lair, tracking my posts, writing down the times, plotting timelines for GOD knows what purpose... and that's the same. Riiiiiight.

That's an impressive piece of analysis. It's almost as if you could read minds or something. Not that there's anything wrong with that...oh, wait. Yeah, you're the one who's been throwing hissy fits about people using language that suggests they might be capable of reading YOUR thoughts.

One of a kind, indeed.

But, but, but ... PEAK OIL!
New Ice Age!
Russians will nuke us!
Jesus is coming back!
Martians!
Y2K!
CO₂!
CO₂ makes you fat!

Dear lord these people are desperate.
You're going to die and all this arguing will have served no purpose. After you're dead, the Earth will go on changing no matter how you alter the nature or direction of your impotent scampering while you're here.

GeneralJim: First off, let me say how nice it is to find someone as religiously bigoted and hateful as you are to disparage one's beliefs.

Odd.

GeneralJim: Wouldn't you WANT to "rob the planet of warmth" due to your quaint religious beliefs in AGW?

You hold the notion that AGW proponents are religious believers and feel no compunction for attacking people over holding said religious beliefs. Setting aside the veracity (or lack thereof) of your statement, why do you believe you're special, Jim? Why do you believe the rules you demand other people adhere to do not require you yourself to follow them?

GeneralJim: You seem content to have medieval forgers using UV lasers to make their hoax relics.

Again, odd:

GeneralJim: Nothing in there about it being the only way.

GeneralJim: You keep saying that. The Urantia Book has nothing to do with UFOs. Is this some sort of cognitive problem with you?

UFO religion, Wikipedia: UFO religion is an informal term used to describe a religion in which extraterrestrials (ET) figure. Typically, ETs are held to be interested in the benefit of humanity which either already is, or eventuallly will become, part of a preexisting ET civilization. Others may incorporate ETs into a more supernatural worldview in which the UFO occupants are more akin to angels than physical aliens

Creation myth, Urantia Book: Urantia is of origin in your sun, and your sun is one of the multifarious offspring of the Andronover nebula, which was onetime organized as a component part of the physical power and material matter of the local universe of Nebadon. And this great nebula itself took origin in the universal force-charge of space in the superuniverse of Orvonton, long, long ago.

At the time of the beginning of this recital, the Primary Master Force Organizers of Paradise had long been in full control of the space-energies which were later organized as the Andronover nebula.

987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.

Some dude was tooling around space and telling God that all the nebula were right to make a baby universe in the multiverse. That's a UFO cult.

GeneralJim: Fark archives its content You sit in your basement supervillain lair, tracking my posts, writing down the times



Hope that helps.

GeneralJim: Wild gesticulations? As to WHY it's unwise, as I say, ask a professional.

Mojo: Dear Dr. Guyman, I've observed insane behaviour from a person over three years. I don't know how long his hair is, or the colour of his eyes. Am I wrong?

DR. GUYMAN: YES ABSOLUTELY WRONG THIS IS WHY BLIND PEOPLE CAN'T BE THERAPISTS THEY CAN'T SEE THE PERSON SO THEY DON'T KNOW OBVIOUSLY.

GeneralJim: Okay, you're off in babble mode again. WTF are you talking about? "That point?" Do you have the exact time of that post? *SNERK*

No, but Fark sure does. Let's check. To answer your question about the time of the post, I posed this question to you directly on 2012-03-04 11:15:44 AM, according to Fark's post timestamp. The question is as follows:

GeneralJim: do some more unrequested, ignorant mental diagnosis of me

You mean exactly as you have done?

GeneralJim: The reason I can tell? There are common cognitive disorders. Your brains all malfunction in the same way.

Is there a reason you believe you're "special", and you don't have to adhere to the norms of behaviour you demand of others?

Unsurprisingly, you never replied to the question. I simply took the opportunity to pose it again, using examples of you behaving contrary to your own stated ethical position. You seem to have a problem with this, and are (for some reason) obsessed with the fact that Fark keeps track of the time and date when posts are made.

Perhaps the third time will be a charm. Jim, why do you believe you don't have to adhere to the rules you demand others obey?

Gunther: GeneralJim: That's NOT a desire I'm expressing, it's just what it would take to balance the scales.

Wow; you really are crazy, aren't you?

You think murdering us would "balance the scales" for us arguing with you on Fark. All this time, I thought you just had a couple of nutty beliefs, but no: you are genuinely not sane.

Now I feel kinda bad for laughing at you all this time. Get help, man.

Ha, told you! (Disproportionate rage, esp. involving violence, in response to criticism is a hallmark of personality disorders, by the way, especially BPD.)