Flab: GAT_00: Those are Republican.

Huh? He asked you about the core ideals of libertarians and conservatives, so you give him a list of what you think are the core beliefs of a third group that is neither?

The GOP is the core group. They've split the difference and that's where they stand.

It's not a war on women at all and it's unfair to characterize it as such. The fact that everything the social conservatives are attacking are things that increase she freedom of women and make older white dudes uncomfortable is entirely by chance.

Of course if you ladies would just don the hijab, we wouldn't have this problem. Quite frankly, given the fact that it's about to become bare legs and shoulders and toes season, if anything this is returning fire in the war on men.

GAT_00: skullkrusher: GAT_00: skullkrusher: and you find these to be "libertarian" ideals? You clearly just find the terms interchangeable in your mind, that's why you think they are interchangeable in reality.

Those are Republican. That's the compromise. I figured this was readily obvious.

you said that libertarians and conservatives shares "core ideas". I asked you to list some. You gave me this absurd list. Now I have no idea what you're talking about.

Those shared core ideas are what the GOP is today. Do I have to make all the connections for you?

Oh, I get it.
Trollololol.
Fun.

Gyrfalcon: The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: As long as you get to decide what is hate speech.

I love how you turn a story about a Conservative wanting to ban divorce into "Liberals want to run my life and he's not really a Conservative anyway."

"It's all about me and how THEY'RE ruining my life because I'm special."

You're smarter than that.

skullkrusher: GAT_00: AKTurkey: GAT_00: Honestly, from my perspective, there isn't much difference between libertarianism and conservatism.

This is an odd statement, but then again, from my perspective, there isn't much difference between apples and brocolli, because I believe all fruits and vegetables taste like crap.

Sometimes it's easy to equate completely unrelated things when you have a distaste for both. It doesn't make sense, but it's true.

They have the same core ideas at heart. Libertarianism goes more extreme in the economic side, conservatism goes more extreme in the social side.

What "core ideas" are those?

Things GAT dislikes.

BSABSVR: skullkrusher: GAT_00: AKTurkey: GAT_00: Honestly, from my perspective, there isn't much difference between libertarianism and conservatism.

This is an odd statement, but then again, from my perspective, there isn't much difference between apples and brocolli, because I believe all fruits and vegetables taste like crap.

Sometimes it's easy to equate completely unrelated things when you have a distaste for both. It doesn't make sense, but it's true.

They have the same core ideas at heart. Libertarianism goes more extreme in the economic side, conservatism goes more extreme in the social side.

What "core ideas" are those?

Things GAT dislikes.

libertarians and conservatives also believe in crushing all the pretzels in the bag before you open it

muck4doo: I turned the story into what "This is what retards believe everyone conservative thinks". Sorry if you didn't want to rage on in your retard beliefs.

But when it comes to hate speech all us Liberals think alike.

Look, I'll even let you decide: is painting with the broad brush ok or not? The only catch is that whichever you choose - ok or not ok - has to apply to everyone equally, including yourself.

muck4doo: Gyrfalcon: The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: As long as you get to decide what is hate speech.

I love how you turn a story about a Conservative wanting to ban divorce into "Liberals want to run my life and he's not really a Conservative anyway."

"It's all about me and how THEY'RE ruining my life because I'm special."

You're smarter than that.

whoa, for a second I thought you said that to GAT. Carry on

skullkrusher: BSABSVR: skullkrusher: GAT_00: AKTurkey: GAT_00: Honestly, from my perspective, there isn't much difference between libertarianism and conservatism.

This is an odd statement, but then again, from my perspective, there isn't much difference between apples and brocolli, because I believe all fruits and vegetables taste like crap.

Sometimes it's easy to equate completely unrelated things when you have a distaste for both. It doesn't make sense, but it's true.

They have the same core ideas at heart. Libertarianism goes more extreme in the economic side, conservatism goes more extreme in the social side.

What "core ideas" are those?

Things GAT dislikes.

libertarians and conservatives also believe in crushing all the pretzels in the bag before you open it

We eat all the chocolates and leave the jelly fish in the candy bag while shopping at Sears.

I was about to give this guy a little credit. I've always said that if the right wing REALLY wanted to preserve the sanctity of marriage, they'd set higher barriers to get married or divorced, like a one year waiting period for either. But my version always included an out for cases of abuse.

Then I read TFA....Oh well, no accounting for idiocy I guess.

The Why Not Guy: But when it comes to hate speech all us Liberals think alike.

Did I say that? Or did I name one specific person? Or are you him?

eraser8
In any case, I find conservatism to be naturally antithetical to freedom. Richard Loving and Mildred Jeter's marriage was made illegal by definitionally conservative laws that prohibited people from living according to their own consciences simply because of bigotry and tradition. Laws prohibiting marriage equality are definitionally conservative and antithetical to freedom.

Actually, the most libertarian position on marriage is that the government shouldn't be involved in it at all. You want to live each other, raise kids, share your finances? Okay, whatever, who cares? Call it marriage, call it a civil union, call it tapioca pudding. But if you want special treatment from a government, such as tax breaks or forcing private institutions to do something they don't want to do, then you're infringing on someone else's rights.

RanDomino: eraser8
In any case, I find conservatism to be naturally antithetical to freedom. Richard Loving and Mildred Jeter's marriage was made illegal by definitionally conservative laws that prohibited people from living according to their own consciences simply because of bigotry and tradition. Laws prohibiting marriage equality are definitionally conservative and antithetical to freedom.

Actually, the most libertarian position on marriage is that the government shouldn't be involved in it at all. You want to live each other, raise kids, share your finances? Okay, whatever, who cares? Call it marriage, call it a civil union, call it tapioca pudding. But if you want special treatment from a government, such as tax breaks or forcing private institutions to do something they don't want to do, then you're infringing on someone else's rights.

Agreed. call it a fus ro da.

muck4doo: Did I say that? Or did I name one specific person? Or are you him?

muck4doo: As long as you get to decide what is hate speech.

Yes, yes, we know... it's different when you do it.

Flab: GAT_00: The GOP is the core group. They've split the difference and that's where they stand.

Ah. ok. Next time you make statements such as GAT_00: there isn't much difference between libertarianism and conservatism. Please be nice and add the disclaimer that you are talking about the GOP, and not these political schools of thought in general.

Uh, is there actually debate that the GOP does not include conservative ideas and libertarian ideas, and in fact does not try to embrace both of those schools of thought? Logically, they hold the core ideals between the groups.

muck4doo
Agreed. call it a fus ro da.

"You may kiss the Dovahkiin."

The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: Did I say that? Or did I name one specific person? Or are you him?

muck4doo: As long as you get to decide what is hate speech.

Yes, yes, we know... it's different when you do it.

GAT isn't going anywhere. You don't need to make yourself look stupid to defend him. Go help him with his anti-marijauna crusade or something.

fusillade762: They both espouse smaller government rhetoric. And if you go further down the spectrum past conservatives and libertarians you eventually run into anarchists, who want no government at all.

but libertarians actually believe it while Republicans say they believe it and then stick the Federal Pear of Anguish up your cooch

GAT_00: Honestly, from my perspective, there isn't much difference between libertarianism and conservatism. Conservatism includes social bullshiat such as the topic in question, libertarian seeks to have a society completely run by corporations and ruled by a select group of elite CEOs, with companies having ultimate rule of law within their domains, and the only still existing government agency to be the police, to help keep the people in line when they inevitably riot against such dystopian bullshiat.

Point of order: there is such a thing as left-libertarians, who are as opposed to corporate authoritarianism as they are to governmental authoritarianism. Admittedly, they're a bit of a rare breed, and tend to get shouted down by both right-leaning libertarians and the more authoritarian left.

I lean that way myself (though as far as US politics go I'm mostly an observer). In my ideal system, personal rights would be sacrosanct. However, you would give up some of that freedom when you filed for incorporation and asked the government to limit your personal liability for actions taken by the corporation. Don't like it? You can always choose not to incorporate, and run the risk of being jailed and/or financial ruined if your company refuses to behave itself.

The US (and many other industrialized countries) has two safeguards against corporate malfeasance: civil lawsuits, and government regulation. Anyone who argues for both tort reform and deregulation (as much of the US right wing desires) is a corporatist, no matter what label they attach to themselves.

Also,

Flab: GAT_00: is there actually debate that the GOP does not include conservative ideas and libertarian ideas

No there isn't, but that's besides my point. When you made that statement it wasn't clear that you were talking about the GOP. Some of us actually thought you were talking about libertarians in general, and conservatives in general.

which he was. Until he decided he wasn't.

sys_64738: Point of order: there is such a thing as left-libertarians, who are as opposed to corporate authoritarianism as they are to governmental authoritarianism. Admittedly, they're a bit of a rare breed, and tend to get shouted down by both right-leaning libertarians and the more authoritarian left.

It's arguably already been tried and discarded. Bobby Kennedy had a version of it.

This FACE/OFF episode is awesome so far.

I hope Republicans run on these issues.

Vote Republican.

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

/hail Bevets

cman: GOP is no longer a party of conservative ideologies. It has become the party of Christian fundamentalists who want nothing less then add an amendment to the constitution making the bible the law of the land.

There's nothing more conservative than religious fundamentalism.

GAT_00: It's arguably already been tried and discarded. Bobby Kennedy had a version of it.

1. "Tried and discarded" doesn't mean "tried and incorrect".

2. I would argue that Bobby Kennedy--for all his accomplishments--wasn't in government long enough, nor in a position with power enough, to have had much of an effect one way or the other. Had he not been assassinated, and had he managed to secure both the Democratic nomination and the Presidency, perhaps--but neither the Attorney General nor a single Senator has enough power to effect change of that magnitude.

Via Infinito SmartestFunniest 2012-03-14 08:21:37 PM

Quasar: There's no way anyone sa-

The bill's co-sponsor, Representative Don Pridemore, told TODAY'S TMJ4 he thinks even in abusive relationships, there are other options than divorce.

"If they can refind those reasons and get back to why they got married in the first place it might help," said Representative Don Pridemore.

What the f*ck?

My sentiments precisely.

At least we're not in a country where you have to commit suicide because the court ordered you to marry your rapist and live with his family instead of punishing him.

Actually, in the OT is says that if a man finds a young virgin woman in a field has his way with her, if he likes her or wants her, he can and should marry her. It doesn't say anywhere if she has a say in it.

So don't give these guys any ideas, okay?!?

/Liberal Catholic

GAT_00
It's arguably already been tried and discarded. Bobby Kennedy had a version of it.

I know left-libertarians, left-libertarians are friends of mine. Bobby Kennedy was no left-libertarian.

Genevieve Marie: You know what's really farking fun? Realizing that Republicans think that whatever ends up on a used tampon is more of a person than I am.

And that people vote for them because they agree.

That makes me feel really safe and not at all personally targeted. Thank you, Republicans!

Not true. You are genuine breeding material in my book. :p

/We all agreed that you are the main target
//we would have a lot of Fark fun
///Your sammich making skills are questionable though
////Love your pics

Okay. This Face/off is getting intense. I vote RJ.

Chariset: Marcus Aurelius: He's totally not gay.
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That face just screams "If I have to stick with a nightmare marriage, then damnit, so do you."

HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT!!!??

Republicans love Santorum.

Let's take the woman hating to the White House.

muck4doo: This FACE/OFF episode is awesome so far.

Who are you rooting for?

I used to be an adventurer like you...Fus ro Da!