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(Right Wing Watch)   Family Research Council to hold discussion lamenting 40 year-old Supreme Court decision sanctioning "non-procreative sexual intimacy"   (rightwingwatch.org) divider line 224
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2012-03-14 02:07:04 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: These people really need to get non-procreatively laid


You want to make sure they don't breed.
 
2012-03-14 02:15:00 PM  

Kazan: republicans are unamerican, and why there are sane farkers who still identify with the republicans - but agree with absolutely nothing they say - is mindboggling.


I'll give you a hint: The current President is a black man*.

*not the only factor, I am sure. But, for a lot of people, this is all they need.
 
2012-03-14 02:16:52 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: To some extent, I'd agree with you.

In this case, however, it's like someone else came in and removed an apex predator (strong establishment, moderate conservative leadership), so the herbivores (religious right / tea party / social conservatives) have been reproducing and ruining the ecosystem (Republican party).

And that's no good for anyone.

Yeah, I can see that. There used to be more balance in the system. I'm not sure what happened to tip the balance, but it sure as hell happened after 1991.


It happened gradually, but it was forseen as happening by the likes of Barry Goldwater:

When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.
-- Barry Goldwater, The Washington Post (July 28, 1994)
 
2012-03-14 02:26:14 PM  
If I were to walk into a Doctor's office, tell him I believe there's a magical Wizard in the sky who created us all and who wrote down a bunch of rules I should follow, and that I should do everything within my power up to and including killing those who don't believe in my Wizard in the sky and his book of rules, the Doctor would either have me committed or put on strong anti-psychotic medication.

However, if I say "It's God!", millions will believe me,

/Religion is a mental illness. Actually, more of a disease at this point. And it should be treated as such.
 
2012-03-14 02:30:44 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: /Religion is a mental illness. Actually, more of a disease at this point. And it should be treated as such.


You know who else advocated "curing" religious people?
 
2012-03-14 02:35:20 PM  

Bloody William: Is it me, or are we currently going through a farked up sexual counter-revolution with this moral minority of self-righteous shiatheads?


Everything old is new again...
 
2012-03-14 02:38:00 PM  
"This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don't think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, keep our regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues.

That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I'm aware of, where we've had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture." Rick Santorum
 
2012-03-14 02:39:35 PM  

WhyteRaven74: "This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don't think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, keep our regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues.

That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I'm aware of, where we've had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture." Rick Santorum


This is what the GOP calls freedom.
 
2012-03-14 02:41:42 PM  
Today, the Federal government is forcing us to share the cost, for said contraception and some states are giving marital status to homosexual relationships.

How many times to you need to repeat a lie before it become the truth?
 
2012-03-14 02:46:34 PM  

Aarontology: This is what the GOP calls freedom.


Scary isn't it?
 
2012-03-14 02:48:19 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Aarontology: This is what the GOP calls freedom.

Scary isn't it?


It's absolutely terrifying. Moreso because they actually believe that's freedom.

It's one thing if it's just dumb rhetoric. It's another issue altogether when it's an actual statement of purpose and intent.
 
2012-03-14 02:52:23 PM  

timujin: Today, the Federal government is forcing us to share the cost, for said contraception and some states are giving marital status to homosexual relationships.

How many times to you need to repeat a lie before it become the truth?


Well, it's true in the sense that your premiums for insurance are a "shared cost" for health procedures.

However, that's how insurance works. I pay for procedures on persons who *possess organs that I do not*, and I don't really care.

Of course, I'm not totally irrational, so that helps.
 
2012-03-14 02:52:34 PM  
If you can't afford em, you can sell em off for medical experimentation.

thetorchonline.com
 
2012-03-14 02:52:46 PM  

Aarontology: Moreso because they actually believe that's freedom.


And it implies a deep seated ignorance. Even a cursory reading of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and others would show that they did indeed believe people should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm someone else. Private life is just that, private life and no one's damn business. Ditto culture.
 
2012-03-14 02:54:03 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Well, it's true in the sense that your premiums for insurance are a "shared cost" for health procedures.


Thing is they're arguing that the government is forcing everyone to pay for it. It's doing no such thing, only saying that it has to be covered by health insurance. And quite a few states already have laws like that and have for some time, yet apparently that wasn't a big deal.
 
2012-03-14 02:59:20 PM  

WhyteRaven74: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Well, it's true in the sense that your premiums for insurance are a "shared cost" for health procedures.

Thing is they're arguing that the government is forcing everyone to pay for it. It's doing no such thing, only saying that it has to be covered by health insurance. And quite a few states already have laws like that and have for some time, yet apparently that wasn't a big deal.


Right. The "forcing taxpayers to blahblahblah" part of the argument is total fantasy, as far as I can tell. I'm not really even sure how that part got started.

And you're also correct that a non-small number of states already have the regulation in place and have no exception for religious organizations, to boot.

But, of course, the whole point of this particular kerfluffle is not that it really is a religious freedom issue. There's no one with any sort of intellectual honesty on the left or right that believes this. Rather, it's very transparently a play that caters to the folks who are (this year, at least) most likely to vote in the GOP primaries.
 
2012-03-14 02:59:53 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Aarontology: Moreso because they actually believe that's freedom.

And it implies a deep seated ignorance. Even a cursory reading of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and others would show that they did indeed believe people should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm someone else. Private life is just that, private life and no one's damn business. Ditto culture.


Hell, the GOP platform talks about the greatness of individualism.
 
2012-03-14 03:07:51 PM  

Aarontology: WhyteRaven74: Aarontology: Moreso because they actually believe that's freedom.

And it implies a deep seated ignorance. Even a cursory reading of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and others would show that they did indeed believe people should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm someone else. Private life is just that, private life and no one's damn business. Ditto culture.

Hell, the GOP platform talks about the greatness of individualism.


Sure, but it's been increasingly obvious over the last 3-4 years that what was the GOP heirarchy (before, I suspect, they attempted to co-opt the Tea Party folks; and instead found themselves mired in that particular social muck) has "lost control of the wagon" and is rapidly driving right towards Wile E Coyote's familiar cliff.
 
2012-03-14 03:15:37 PM  

Shakespeare's Monkey: If you can't afford em, you can sell em off for medical experimentation.

[thetorchonline.com image 450x273]


To be fair, if they'd been born Protestants, they wouldn't have to worry about wearing a little rubber thing on their John Thomases. Or French Ticklers for that matter...
 
2012-03-14 03:19:56 PM  
sometimes I can't tell if the Right wing in this country is serious or if they're just trolling.
 
2012-03-14 03:22:47 PM  

Weaver95: sometimes I can't tell if the Right wing in this country is serious or if they're just trolling.


They're seriously trolling because 4/5s of them actually believe the BS they're spewing. That's the really scary part.
 
2012-03-14 03:28:01 PM  

Weaver95: sometimes I can't tell if the Right wing in this country is serious or if they're just trolling.


I don't think they can tell the difference most of the time.
 
2012-03-14 03:44:07 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Everything old is new again...


i470.photobucket.com

I wonder how that fits into "fix old".
 
2012-03-14 03:47:37 PM  
Lament all you want, you religious fascists... You were on the wrong side of history then and you're on the wrong side of history now.

I'm so sick of these regressive assholes.
 
2012-03-14 04:01:58 PM  
The FRC sucks
 
2012-03-14 04:04:15 PM  
I bet these folks fret about Sharia.
 
2012-03-14 04:04:29 PM  
On March 22nd, 1972, the Supreme Court undermined the boundaries and benefits of marriage. In the decision Eisenstadt v. Baird, the Court struck down a Massachusetts law prohibiting the distribution of contraceptives to unmarried people, and implicitly sanctioned unmarried non-procreative sexual intimacy.

Because without this implicit sanctioning, there was no unmarried non-procreative sexual intimacy before evar!!!!!!
 
2012-03-14 04:08:37 PM  
holy crap... is all this stuff happening as a result of pillgate or are we just more focused on it now that pillgate has brought the issue to the forefront. This shiat is farking bananas. BANANAS I SAY.
 
2012-03-14 04:10:14 PM  

skullkrusher: holy crap... is all this stuff happening as a result of pillgate or are we just more focused on it now that pillgate has brought the issue to the forefront. This shiat is farking bananas. BANANAS I SAY.


B-A-N-A-N-A-S?
 
2012-03-14 04:11:03 PM  
Love all those "small government" Republicans.
 
2012-03-14 04:11:29 PM  
I'd wager more families start from "non-procreative sex" birth control fails than only having sex for procreation.

People. Gonna. Fark.

Especially now that they can do something extremely enjoyable in a responsible and less risky way.

Deal with it.

I still say we need an "Occupy the Bedroom" movement, and anyone who can have as much (consensual, should go without saying) non-procreative sex as they can, DO IT!.
 
2012-03-14 04:12:56 PM  

WhyteRaven74: "This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don't think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, keep our regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues.

That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I'm aware of, where we've had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture." Rick Santorum


Individualism isn't radical, you cock.
 
2012-03-14 04:14:07 PM  

vartian: hubiestubert: This About That: Have you ever wondered what sort of research they do?

The kind that has to take place at night, in the dark, and behind locked doors.

You know, for the good of the country...

I had sex with one once. To be fair, I didn't know at the time...I only found out after, when he insisted we kneel and pray and beg forgiveness. I asked him if this was a sort of kink, and he started crying. It was actually rather terrible. It's hard not to feel a little sorry for all of them.


Wait, wait, you mean that crying after an orgasm isn't the normal response?

/my friend does that
//from Canada
///backs away slowly
 
2012-03-14 04:14:16 PM  
I'm seriously wondering whether I should consider expatriating for at least four years. I'm confident Obama will win in November, but knowing that this asstarded electorate voted for Dubya twice doesn't leave me feeling completely comfortable. I'm concerned that if god forbid Santorum wins the Presidency, my life as a woman in this country will be made almost unbearable to the point of being totally unbearable. I'm not a Christian, I use birth control for reasons other than just menstrual cycle regulation, I'm a super-lefty liberal, and I have a college degree. I'm everything the GOP farking hates.

/the boyfriend said he'd come with me
//I couldn't leave him to fend for himself
///I hate what my country is turning into
 
2012-03-14 04:15:15 PM  

skullkrusher: holy crap... is all this stuff happening as a result of pillgate or are we just more focused on it now that pillgate has brought the issue to the forefront. This shiat is farking bananas. BANANAS I SAY.


They can't let Rush go down without a fight.
 
2012-03-14 04:16:35 PM  
So here's a question to all the socially conservative Christians who vote Republican:

You believe that Christ (or God, same thing) said you had to give to the poor, and take care of them, but you're against the government forcing you to take care of the poor via redistributing money via taxation.

Fine.

You believe that Christ (or God, same thing) said you shouldn't use birth control, or have gay sex, or...whatever.

Fine.

Not giving to the poor is a sin. Having non-procreative sex is a sin.

Why is it okay for the government to punish the latter but not the former? It sure seems convenient that the one that requires you to actually give up something of your own is the one you think the government doesn't have a right to enforce, but the one that hurts others but not you you have no problem getting the government to do something about.

Help me out here.
 
2012-03-14 04:16:48 PM  
It is so sad that these people are too stupid to realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot over and over again with this crap. Not only are they driving people away from the Republican party in droves with this, but they are driving people away from religion. It is just sad that most Christians don't agree with what these nuts are saying, but as usual the nutcases get the airtime and press because featuring them gets ratings. Nobody ever wants to hear what a sane person is saying.
 
2012-03-14 04:19:24 PM  
Every time anybody anywhere has recreational, non-procreative sex they should send a letter to the FRC informing them of the fact that it happened. I think it would be absolutely hilarious to see the FRC flooded by millions of notes informing them of every recreational sex act that occurred.
 
2012-03-14 04:19:28 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: skullkrusher: holy crap... is all this stuff happening as a result of pillgate or are we just more focused on it now that pillgate has brought the issue to the forefront. This shiat is farking bananas. BANANAS I SAY.

B-A-N-A-N-A-S?


www.polyvore.com
 
2012-03-14 04:20:10 PM  
I SAID, I WANT SMALL GOVERNMENT except for librul secret muslins!!
 
2012-03-14 04:20:23 PM  

Cythraul: Bloody William: Is it me, or are we currently going through a farked up sexual counter-revolution with this moral minority of self-righteous shiatheads?

I thought that was the 80's?


It's the 1990's and Bill Clinton's blowjob all over again. That's what many old timers are thinking. The same group of mouthbreathers that tried to impeach him are back at it again. Just look at Newt running for President. It's the 1990's right now and the assholes are still at it.
 
2012-03-14 04:20:31 PM  
The gender gap will be incredible this election. I mean, the Republicans were going to lose women anyways (and lose, period), but, damn. And this was an unforced error for the most part (although Pelosi certainly handed them some of the rope with her unofficial hearings with Sandra Fluke as the chief guest speaker).

This is the type of thing that will flip contol of the House and keep the Senate in Democratic hands (and turn Obama's re-election win from a meh to a slaughter). Women are a majority of voters, and it seems clear that this general issue now has legs, mainly because the right won't farking shut up about it.
 
2012-03-14 04:20:55 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I'm seriously wondering whether I should consider expatriating for at least four years. I'm confident Obama will win in November, but knowing that this asstarded electorate voted for Dubya twice doesn't leave me feeling completely comfortable. I'm concerned that if god forbid Santorum wins the Presidency, my life as a woman in this country will be made almost unbearable to the point of being totally unbearable. I'm not a Christian, I use birth control for reasons other than just menstrual cycle regulation, I'm a super-lefty liberal, and I have a college degree. I'm everything the GOP farking hates.

/the boyfriend said he'd come with me
//I couldn't leave him to fend for himself
///I hate what my country is turning into


We need to stand up, and face the fears of being ostracized as godless demons by these religious people.

The silence from moderate Christians in the face of the extremist bigots doesn't help.

That is what I hear from my moderate Christian friends. They are afraid to even state they are Christian anymore because someone will think they are a bible thumping bigot, but they won't stand up and say "This is wrong" to the extremists.

And when a non-believer does it, the extremists can whip a good chunk of the country into a zealous fury, saying we're persecuting them for their beliefs.

I'm not out to persecute anyone, but when I dare speak up that I think what these religious extremists are doing is wrong, I'm told "Sit down, shut up, no one asked you, atheist. You don't belong here. Ignore us. Stop persecuting me for my beliefs".
 
2012-03-14 04:21:31 PM  
Please nominate Santorum so that he can spend 20 minutes on national TV announcing why this will be the central platform of the Republican party in 2012.

I'm sure all the down-balloters, at least those who have been through more than 1 re-election campaign, will really appreciate the support.
 
2012-03-14 04:21:37 PM  

Cythraul: Rain-Monkey: You know what is going to happen?

There is going to be a huge schism in the GOP and the underlying religious groups.

The fallout will be a moderate group that believes and votes for women's rights and progressive issues and a heavily conservative group that is all-out 'because the bible tells me so'.

tl;dr, they have gone too far and are going to fragment.

They couldn't really do that and be competitive with the Democrat party. The powers-that-be within the Republican party will do everything they can to make sure there isn't an absolute split within their party. Especially for these reasons. Not saying it wont' happen, just doubtful.


As a Republican, I've came to that same conclusion drunkenly after Santorum won Mississippi and Alabama. The party is going to have to fragment.

However, I do believe it can be competitive with the Democrat party. A party of people like Huntsman will attract quite a few moderates that currently lean Democrat.
 
2012-03-14 04:22:56 PM  

skullkrusher: holy crap... is all this stuff happening as a result of pillgate or are we just more focused on it now that pillgate has brought the issue to the forefront. This shiat is farking bananas. BANANAS I SAY.


It's concurrent. Conservatives have been pushing all sorts of crazy stuff through local legislatures the last couple of years. First it was the anti-union things but recently they've gone anti-women. It feels like a last desperate attempt to turn back the clock.

Fortunately the one thing social conservatives and their ideas have in common is that they will be dead soon. Most people approve of birth control, don't care if gays get married, don't support abstinence-only education, and a growing number believe in abortion rights. It may take years to undo the damage they cause but eventually the march of progress will trample over and past them.
 
2012-03-14 04:23:43 PM  

hubiestubert: This About That: Have you ever wondered what sort of research they do?

The kind that has to take place at night, in the dark, and behind locked doors.

You know, for the good of the country...


To know how evil sex is, they obviously have to go bang someone. And how do you know gay sex ruins families unless you go to the White Swallow every weekend for "research?"

I remember a case where a cop assigned to bust prostitutes went ahead and paid them, then had sex. His reasoning: "I wanted to feel the crime occurring." I REALLY wish I could find the actual quote, but the search terms I'd have to use at work preclude me from doing so.
 
2012-03-14 04:24:00 PM  

ongbok: It is just sad that most Christians don't agree with what these nuts are saying


That must be why the FRC boasts nearly half a million members.
 
2012-03-14 04:25:28 PM  

Jjaro: A party of people like Huntsman will attract quite a few moderates that currently lean Democrat.


I disagree...I'm a longtime independent and the current Republican party (including Huntsman) has pretty much guaranteed that I won't vote Republican for a very, very long time.
 
2012-03-14 04:25:55 PM  
The Republicans don't need to fragment, they just need to go away. They have no reason to exist. The Democrats are a conservative capitalist party and tepid enough on social issues to satisfy every remotely sane person. What we need is a liberal party.
 
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