playblu: the overall US economy, which is floundering largely due to economic pressures of the overspending of the government.

So government spending hurts the economy. Got it.

/despite empirical evidence to the contrary, I'm sure you're right

playblu: The mentioned states' economies are doing well, but they're fighting against the overall US economy, which is floundering largely due to economic pressures of the overspending of the government.

Seriously, is that so hard to understand?

/bracing for the derp storm

And yet wall street profits are going up, GDP is going up, unemployment is going down . . .

"The interesting thing the Obama campaign does is always talk about their job creation numbers as if he took office in about March of 2010," Schrimpf said. "In the states with Republican governors, they took office in 2011 and have seen consistent job growth since then."

What is this I don't even

sprawl15: discgolfguru: When I am elected, my economy will be based on cookies and handjobs.

discgolfguru wants to put government crumbs in your urethra. Fight the communism!

wow... thanks for that jerk

/cringe

Bob16: hugram: Things for the USA as a whole look a lot better than they did since Obama took over the WH..

`BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Say it. You know you want to say "we're in the Goldilocks economy".

Have you forgotten how farked we were in October 2008?

skullkrusher: palelizard: Aarontology: playblu: The mentioned states' economies are doing well, but they're fighting against the overall US economy, which is floundering largely due to economic pressures of the overspending of the government.

See folks? The states that make up the Untied States are doing fine. It's the United States that's doing badly. In fact, the United States are doing so badly that it's amazing that the States are doing so well.

Wake up, man, half the states are doing worse than the national average median!

Nice catch.

FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: One of the states bringing the country down is that liberal paradise, Wisconsin, with their communist leader, Scott Walker.

Source: Wisconsin lags in job creation, figures show (new window)

Wisconsin has a 7.1 percent unemployment rate. Obama would have that figure tattooed on his forehead if the rest of the country was at 7.1.

Over the past 12 months, Wisconsin's declining number of jobs overall has come from government employees. The private sector has actually added a small number (900).

Wisconsin in January added 12,500 jobs.

Link (new window)

s2s2s2: It is because he's a democrat, and also because he's black.
The thing is, with both being true, the second one goes into their denial file. If they thought Bill Clinton might have been born in Vienna to a British father and young, American mother, they'd have tried it against him, too. Because he's white they would have dropped it when it became embarrassing.
We need to give the conservatives a safe space to open up to their own feelings, and realize that their not wanting to be racists, doesn't mean they aren't.
Likewise, we need to treat them like they don't want to be racists, even though they are.

This is possibly the best post I've ever seen you make. Bravo, man.

skullkrusher: palelizard: Aarontology: playblu: The mentioned states' economies are doing well, but they're fighting against the overall US economy, which is floundering largely due to economic pressures of the overspending of the government.

See folks? The states that make up the Untied States are doing fine. It's the United States that's doing badly. In fact, the United States are doing so badly that it's amazing that the States are doing so well.

Wake up, man, half the states are doing worse than the national average median!

Median is one way of measuring average, and yes, that's the one I was using.

The most interesting bit of the article, BTW:



Save for the swap where some of the blue states became red, both lines pretty much track the national average. If the narrative the GOP and the Fark Independents™ are pushing was true, you'd expect the red states to outperform the blue, but they aren't.

HeartBurnKid: Bob16: hugram: Things for the USA as a whole look a lot better than they did since Obama took over the WH..

`BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Say it. You know you want to say "we're in the Goldilocks economy".

Have you forgotten how farked we were in October 2008?

Right-Wing assholes can't remember yesterday, let alone 4 years ago.

Crunch61: So government spending hurts the economy. Got it.

Goverment spending is too vauge to really determine how much it helps the economy. Some is useless, while some of it can be benifical.

However, one big problem with goverment spending is that if it is not paid for and deficit spending continues at the rate we currently find ourselves (and the CBO projects for the next 10 years), the economy will definatly feel the pressures of this large and ever-increasing debt load.

In essence goverment spending is not bad, but it does and should have its limits.

I'll just point out that half of all states are doing below average.

/Below average in what? Doesn't matter...

HeartBurnKid: Bob16: hugram: Things for the USA as a whole look a lot better than they did since Obama took over the WH..

`BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Say it. You know you want to say "we're in the Goldilocks economy".

Have you forgotten how farked we were in October 2008?

I was going to say the same thing. I guess he thinks things are worse now than they were in 2008.

palelizard: skullkrusher: palelizard: Aarontology: playblu: The mentioned states' economies are doing well, but they're fighting against the overall US economy, which is floundering largely due to economic pressures of the overspending of the government.

See folks? The states that make up the Untied States are doing fine. It's the United States that's doing badly. In fact, the United States are doing so badly that it's amazing that the States are doing so well.

Wake up, man, half the states are doing worse than the national average median!

Median is one way of measuring average, and yes, that's the one I was using.

I know ;)

/your mom's a whore
//and a real one, not a Rush Limbaugh one

Cletus C.: Summary: Shut your quiche holes you whiny laggards, everything is great and getting greater.

Translation: B-b-b-but labor participation rate, gas prices are up since Obama took office, CURRENCY DEVALUATION!!!!

HeadLever: However, one big problem with goverment spending is that if it is not paid for and deficit spending continues at the rate we currently find ourselves (and the CBO projects for the next 10 years), the economy will definatly feel the pressures of this large and ever-increasing debt load.

In essence goverment spending is not bad, but it does and should have its limits.

Sure - in a recession, you spend to stimulate the economy. In boom times, you pay down the debt that came from the recession. If you do it right, you can start to even out the spikes between boom and bust, but you'll pretty much always have cycles.

Or you could, you know, hand out pallets of cash and cut taxes during the good years instead of paying down the debt and wonder why, eight years later, things are falling apart.

Dr. Whoof: I'll just point out that half of all states are doing below average.

/Below average in what? Doesn't matter...

But averages do not work that way. IL is -49 on the scale and all other states are +1. Average 0, amount below average one.

HeartBurnKid: The most interesting bit of the article, BTW:

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 600x471]

Save for the swap where some of the blue states became red, both lines pretty much track the national average. If the narrative the GOP and the Fark Independents™ are pushing was true, you'd expect the red states to outperform the blue, but they aren't.

Actually, if you compare where the unemployment rates were when the election took place and where the graph ends, you will find that the red states are doing a little better (widening the gap, if you will).

Lost Thought 00: SpocksEars: "Just as relativity theory only works for large objects and quantum theory only works for small ones"

Must not have gone to one of those "snobby" colleges

These are Republicans, you have to remember. They are only capable of viewing the world as a series of binary decisions.


You know... morons.

cameroncrazy1984: People of the land. The common clay of the new West.

You know: morons.

dammit

Dr. Whoof: I'll just point out that half of all states are doing below average.

/Below average in what? Doesn't matter...

Averages do not work that way!

Bob16: hugram: Things for the USA as a whole look a lot better than they did since Obama took over the WH..

`BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Say it. You know you want to say "we're in the Goldilocks economy".

No person in their right mind could seriously suggest that things on inauguration day 2009 were better than they are now.

But you know you want to say it... go ahead... "the economy is worse today than on inauguration day 2009". Do it! DO IT!

Dr. Whoof: Sure - in a recession, you spend to stimulate the economy. In boom times, you pay down the debt that came from the recession. If you do it right, you can start to even out the spikes between boom and bust, but you'll pretty much always have cycles.

The problem is that this debt is going to make that very difficult, even in boom times. Even with a recovering economy, the CBO is projecting nearly $10 Trillion in additional debt over the next decade. Your point may have been true 5 to 10 years ago, but it is looking not to be the case any longer. We have some major work to do in order to get back into the black. A recovering economy and simple tweaks to the tax code are not going to fix this mess.

skullkrusher: I know ;)

/your mom's a whore
//and a real one, not a Rush Limbaugh one

I prefer to think of my mother as hyperlibido-challenged. It's in DSM IV. I don't know why you have to hate on the handicapped so much. Have you no compassion for the ill? Do you go up to cripples and dance at them, screaming, "WHAT'S THE MATTER, IRONSIDES? HAVE YOU NO MUSIC IN YOUR SOUL?"

I heard you and your mother get together to baptize Holocaust victims with Rhinewater so they can go to Nazi Heaven.

hugram: Things for the USA as a whole look a lot better than they did since Obama took over the WH... but go ahead Righties... give us a good reason why Obama must go.

GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
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US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 03/13/2012: 13,177.68
Rate of Return: 65.78%

S&P in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P in 03/13/2012: 1,395.95
Rate of Return: 73.36%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 03/13/2012: 3,039.88
Rate of Return: 109.77%

Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
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Unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration.

One year trend...
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During the Obama Administration...
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Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)

Jobless claims plunged last week to a nearly four-year low (new window)


If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Gov's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Gov can even help you pay for it (via loans, grants, GI Bill etc).
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Average weekly paychecks have improved.
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Inflation has not gone up.
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Your taxes have not g ...

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Stop trying to confuse things with facts. Fox News told me things were getting much worse.

HeartBurnKid: Mearen: 0bama

*chug*

I've decided to make a list of words, the use of which will lead to me Ignoring the poster instantly. Thus far I have:

Libs
Libtards
Gubment
0bama

Anyone have any suggestions to add?

Saiga410: Dr. Whoof: I'll just point out that half of all states are doing below average.

/Below average in what? Doesn't matter...

But averages do not work that way. IL is -49 on the scale and all other states are +1. Average 0, amount below average one.

a median is a type of average. It's just that when people commonly say "average" they mean "mean"

palelizard: I prefer to think of my mother as hyperlibido-challenged. It's in DSM IV. I don't know why you have to hate on the handicapped so much. Have you no compassion for the ill? Do you go up to cripples and dance at them, screaming, "WHAT'S THE MATTER, IRONSIDES? HAVE YOU NO MUSIC IN YOUR SOUL?"

ok, literal lol on that one

/LLOL if you will

skullkrusher: sprawl15: discgolfguru: When I am elected, my economy will be based on cookies and handjobs.

discgolfguru wants to put government crumbs in your urethra. Fight the communism!

wow... thanks for that jerk

/cringe

They can take my GI Joe action figure only when they can pry it loose from my cold dead sphincter!

skullkrusher: palelizard: I prefer to think of my mother as hyperlibido-challenged. It's in DSM IV. I don't know why you have to hate on the handicapped so much. Have you no compassion for the ill? Do you go up to cripples and dance at them, screaming, "WHAT'S THE MATTER, IRONSIDES? HAVE YOU NO MUSIC IN YOUR SOUL?"

ok, literal lol on that one

/LLOL if you will

I got to give some credit to Bill Hicks on that one.

Dwight_Yeast: HeartBurnKid: Mearen: 0bama

*chug*

I've decided to make a list of words, the use of which will lead to me Ignoring the poster instantly. Thus far I have:

Libs
Libtards
Gubment
0bama

Anyone have any suggestions to add?

Truth
Justice
The American Way

El Pachuco: skullkrusher: sprawl15: discgolfguru: When I am elected, my economy will be based on cookies and handjobs.

discgolfguru wants to put government crumbs in your urethra. Fight the communism!

wow... thanks for that jerk

/cringe

They can take my GI Joe action figure only when they can pry it loose from my cold dead sphincter!

ASS DESTRO!

Dwight_Yeast: HeartBurnKid: Mearen: 0bama

*chug*

I've decided to make a list of words, the use of which will lead to me Ignoring the poster instantly. Thus far I have:

Libs
Libtards
Gubment
0bama

Anyone have any suggestions to add?

I think you're going to wind up ignoring people you don't mean to ignore if you apply this rule strictly

Since when are politics and reality even remotely related? It helps governors politically to showcase how they are improving their local economies. It helps national Republican politicians politically to show how B-Rock The Islamic Shock Hussein Taxbongo has trashed the US economy. If a politician thought it would help his reelection chances, he'd run around the White House naked with a dildo strapped to his forehead. If you trust anything that comes out of a politicians mouth ever, you're a fool. Doubly so in an election year.

skullkrusher: El Pachuco: skullkrusher: sprawl15: discgolfguru: When I am elected, my economy will be based on cookies and handjobs.

discgolfguru wants to put government crumbs in your urethra. Fight the communism!

wow... thanks for that jerk

/cringe

They can take my GI Joe action figure only when they can pry it loose from my cold dead sphincter!

ASS DESTRO!

It's only gay if you use a male figure. It's totally hetero if it's the Baroness or Jinx.

Dwight_Yeast: HeartBurnKid: Mearen: 0bama

*chug*

I've decided to make a list of words, the use of which will lead to me Ignoring the poster instantly. Thus far I have:

Libs
Libtards
Gubment
0bama

Anyone have any suggestions to add?

Only a libtarded lib who supports 0bama's gubment would do this.

HeartBurnKid: The most interesting bit of the article, BTW:

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 600x471]

Save for the swap where some of the blue states became red, both lines pretty much track the national average. If the narrative the GOP and the Fark Independents™ are pushing was true, you'd expect the red states to outperform the blue, but they aren't.

If I were Fox News, I would point at the data points between December 2010 and Jan 2011 and say that electing Democratic governors immediately caused a 1% jump in unemployment, while electing Republican governors immediately caused a 1% drop.

skullkrusher: Saiga410: Dr. Whoof: I'll just point out that half of all states are doing below average.

/Below average in what? Doesn't matter...

But averages do not work that way. IL is -49 on the scale and all other states are +1. Average 0, amount below average one.

a median is a type of average. It's just that when people commonly say "average" they mean "mean"

Shush, I already got two bites. Let 'em roll.

Dwight_Yeast: cameroncrazy1984: You'd almost think that their priority is making Obama a one-termer. As if they'd ever admit anything like that.

They've spent four years trying to do that; I would have thought that by now they would have realized that they've failed.

Is it November yet? They may still pull it off...Americans are very well known for voting against their best interests...

sprawl15: discgolfguru: When I am elected, my economy will be based on cookies and handjobs.

discgolfguru wants to put government crumbs in your urethra. Fight the communism!

At least he's using government cookies. If it was girl scout cookies, you'd be having a seat over there...

sprawl15: Truth
Justice
The American Way

So, "Superman"?

HeadLever: Dr. Whoof: Sure - in a recession, you spend to stimulate the economy. In boom times, you pay down the debt that came from the recession. If you do it right, you can start to even out the spikes between boom and bust, but you'll pretty much always have cycles.

The problem is that this debt is going to make that very difficult, even in boom times. Even with a recovering economy, the CBO is projecting nearly $10 Trillion in additional debt over the next decade. Your point may have been true 5 to 10 years ago, but it is looking not to be the case any longer. We have some major work to do in order to get back into the black. A recovering economy and simple tweaks to the tax code are not going to fix this mess.

Yeah, you know, that's the same argument that was made under Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and then Bush 2. It's always too big to fix, too deep to fill, all that. Meanwhile Republicans chant "deficits do not matter" when in power and "debt is crushing us" when they are not. At least Democrats are generally consistent.

skullkrusher: Dwight_Yeast: HeartBurnKid: Mearen: 0bama

*chug*

I've decided to make a list of words, the use of which will lead to me Ignoring the poster instantly. Thus far I have:

Libs
Libtards
Gubment
0bama

Anyone have any suggestions to add?

I think you're going to wind up ignoring people you don't mean to ignore if you apply this rule strictly

Indeed. I use "gubment" sometimes because I'm lazy. It's not even meant to be a joke about the . . . gubment. I'm just lazy.

Dwight_Yeast: sprawl15: Truth
Justice
The American Way

So, "Superman"?

Ubermensch isn't a word the GOP is allowed to use anymore, at least in public.

Dr. Whoof: Yeah, you know, that's the same argument that was made under Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and then Bush 2. It's always too big to fix, too deep to fill, all that.

Uh, debt to GDP in those days was 50% to 60% and deficts were 2% to 4% of GDP.

Today we are at 102% of Debt to GDP and our deficts have been 8.5% to 10% of GDP for the last 4 years. In addition, the deficits projected by the CBO are remain at about 6 to 8% of GDP for the next decade.

Just a little different time we are living in today. If you can't recognize that and update your talking points to reflect the problems we currently face, you and your ilk will get tromped in this upcoming election.

Meanwhile Republicans chant "deficits do not matter" when in power and "debt is crushing us" when they are not.

You have a point there, but this is just politics that both sides play. Deficits do matter when they are of the magnitude we have seen for the last 4 years and what is projected for the next decade.

heinekenftw: skullkrusher: Dwight_Yeast: HeartBurnKid: Mearen: 0bama

*chug*

I've decided to make a list of words, the use of which will lead to me Ignoring the poster instantly. Thus far I have:

Libs
Libtards
Gubment
0bama

Anyone have any suggestions to add?

I think you're going to wind up ignoring people you don't mean to ignore if you apply this rule strictly

Indeed. I use "gubment" sometimes because I'm lazy. It's not even meant to be a joke about the . . . gubment. I'm just lazy.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone use "gubment" or a variation thereof in a way that is not mocking people who complain about the government. When SPEAKING however...

HeadLever: HeartBurnKid: The most interesting bit of the article, BTW:

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 600x471]

Save for the swap where some of the blue states became red, both lines pretty much track the national average. If the narrative the GOP and the Fark Independents™ are pushing was true, you'd expect the red states to outperform the blue, but they aren't.

Actually, if you compare where the unemployment rates were when the election took place and where the graph ends, you will find that the red states are doing a little better (widening the gap, if you will).

How much did the gap increase? It looks to me like it was about 0.8% in January 2011 and about 0.9% in January 2012. 0.1% improvement in unemployment is miniscule and hardly statistically significant.